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Washington Local Schools - Have things settled down?

No Hickey drama lately - has this fiasco finally run out of steam?

Hopefully that school system can put the mess behind them.

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I don't think I can handle another post on this. Maybe we can change the subject to football. How are the Whitmer Panthers going to be this fall? How 'bout them Panthers?

posted by Molsonator on May 20, 2016 at 10:23:05 am     #   3 people liked this

"Maybe we can change the subject to football."
Not sure about football but the elementary girls softball teams are good. Some great future Panthers developing skills and love of the game.

posted by TrilbyGuy on May 20, 2016 at 10:54:16 am     #   1 person liked this

I think the thing with Hickey cooled off but there was some residual drama between Baumhower and whoever was behind the "Making a Predator" website. Baumhower has been teasing a story about the people allegedly behind it for some time now.

posted by Ace_Face on May 20, 2016 at 10:56:13 am     #  

I briefly wondered if the Rivera who fronts the predator site and the Rivera who didn't make the cut for Superintendent are in any way connected. But it passed.

posted by justread on May 20, 2016 at 10:57:33 am     #  

I heard there was talent on that softball team! Elementary Schools are strong! (anything. I will go with anything)

By the way Justread, I will turn this post into a Mexican Restaurant post in a heartbeat if you continue to discuss the mindless crap of Hickey/Baumhauer. I say this with LOVE though.

posted by Molsonator on May 20, 2016 at 11:21:38 am     #  

Molsonator posted at 12:21:38 PM on May 20, 2016:

I heard there was talent on that softball team! Elementary Schools are strong! (anything. I will go with anything)

By the way Justread, I will turn this post into a Mexican Restaurant post in a heartbeat if you continue to discuss the mindless crap of Hickey/Baumhauer. I say this with LOVE though.

How 'bout those Tamales?! I hear they're really good too..........

posted by Foodie on May 20, 2016 at 11:27:48 am     #   1 person liked this

Speaking of Whitmer and mexican restaurants, since the closest mexican restaurant to Whitmer is Carmel's, does anyone know if it sold or not? I know the business, property, old gas station across the street and house next door went up for sale a few months ago but I haven't heard anything since.

posted by Mike21 on May 20, 2016 at 11:32:18 am     #   1 person liked this

According to ARIES, the vacant land with the same address as Carmel's changed hands last month.
Does anyone actually still go to Carmel's?

posted by Foodie on May 20, 2016 at 11:49:54 am     #  

And that my Peeps, is how you change the direction of a mindless thread.

posted by Molsonator on May 20, 2016 at 11:54:49 am     #   2 people liked this

I still see those stupid billboards.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on May 20, 2016 at 12:10:02 pm     #  

I am thinking TRAC Football is going to be:

1) Central Catholic - and another trip to the state championship
2) Whitmer
3) Lima Senior
4) St. Johns
5) Findlay
6) Fremont
7) Clay - Heard they were leaving the TRAC
8) St Francis - maybe should not field a football team anymore.

posted by Molsonator on May 20, 2016 at 12:24:26 pm     #  

I think Lonny Rivera wrestled at Clay.

posted by justread on May 20, 2016 at 12:36:36 pm     #   1 person liked this

Molsonator posted at 12:54:49 PM on May 20, 2016:

And that my Peeps, is how you change the direction of a mindless thread.

Boasting, eh?

justread's favorite non-profit, The Truth Alliance, seems to be struggling.

THE PREDATOR SITE HAS MOVED!

We have upgraded our website to make navigation easier!

Want the new address? email us at Truth@MakingAPredator.com

That's a different tactic for redirecting users to a new URL.

Fret not. You can use Google to find the old articles published by The Truth Alliance.

I might pin this thread to the top of the home page.

#ForumAdminPrick

posted by jr on May 20, 2016 at 12:37:52 pm     #   5 people liked this

1991 Grad. That's why I am a justread fan.

posted by Molsonator on May 20, 2016 at 12:39:28 pm     #  

Jr... I heard Trader Joe's is coming to Erie Street Market in June.

posted by Molsonator on May 20, 2016 at 12:41:41 pm     #  

Molsonator posted at 01:41:41 PM on May 20, 2016:

Jr... I heard Trader Joe's is coming to Erie Street Market in June.

You heard wrong. Quit reading MySpace.

I bought the ESM back in February. I will use the space for Toledo Talk HQ.

posted by jr on May 20, 2016 at 12:45:26 pm     #   2 people liked this

Can I rent out space? I heard somebody resurrected Tiedtke's Coffee and I want to sell it there?

posted by Molsonator on May 20, 2016 at 12:49:50 pm     #  

By the way...they did and the stuff is fantastic. Got it at Anderson's.

posted by Molsonator on May 20, 2016 at 12:51:03 pm     #  

jr posted at 01:45:26 PM on May 20, 2016:
Molsonator posted at 01:41:41 PM on May 20, 2016:

Jr... I heard Trader Joe's is coming to Erie Street Market in June.

You heard wrong. Quit reading MySpace.

I bought the ESM back in February. I will use the space for Toledo Talk HQ.

Plus, Jeep may want it someday and you can make a killing.

posted by justread on May 20, 2016 at 12:58:34 pm     #  

justread posted at 01:58:34 PM on May 20, 2016:
jr posted at 01:45:26 PM on May 20, 2016:
Molsonator posted at 01:41:41 PM on May 20, 2016:

Jr... I heard Trader Joe's is coming to Erie Street Market in June.

You heard wrong. Quit reading MySpace.

I bought the ESM back in February. I will use the space for Toledo Talk HQ.

Plus, Jeep may want it someday and you can make a killing.

I'm assuming you mean Promedica.

posted by slowsol on May 20, 2016 at 01:13:36 pm     #   1 person liked this

I was going to build TT HQ in East Toledo, but my $45 bid for four acres of city-owned land lost out to another buyer.

Toledo City Council reviewed a proposal Tuesday [May 17, 2016] to sell four acres in East Toledo at Ravine Park for just $50 to the Northwestern Ohio Building Trades Council so it can construct a new office building.

If had not bought that $7 beer, then I could have acquired that land.


I don't know anything about Jeep or Promedica confiscating the future home of TT HQ in the Warehouse District, but I know this much ...

Don't let madjack see this May 19, 2016 Blade story :

The Bourbon and Single Malt Liquor Fund-raiser at Tantara Farm, the home of Susan and Allan Block, chairman of Block Communications Inc., owner of The Blade, offered attendees access to what was possibly the most extensive collection of bourbon and single-malt scotch in Toledo, if not beyond.

... the thrill was the tour of Mr. Block’s collection of approximately 300 bottles of rare and single-batch bourbon and scotch, as well as gin, rum, and liqueurs.

posted by jr on May 20, 2016 at 01:34:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

slowsol posted at 02:13:36 PM on May 20, 2016:
justread posted at 01:58:34 PM on May 20, 2016:
jr posted at 01:45:26 PM on May 20, 2016:
Molsonator posted at 01:41:41 PM on May 20, 2016:

Jr... I heard Trader Joe's is coming to Erie Street Market in June.

You heard wrong. Quit reading MySpace.

I bought the ESM back in February. I will use the space for Toledo Talk HQ.

Plus, Jeep may want it someday and you can make a killing.

I'm assuming you mean Promedica.

Look at that jr, the number of interested parties just doubled.

posted by justread on May 20, 2016 at 02:27:40 pm     #   1 person liked this

slowsol posted at 02:13:36 PM on May 20, 2016:
justread posted at 01:58:34 PM on May 20, 2016:
jr posted at 01:45:26 PM on May 20, 2016:
Molsonator posted at 01:41:41 PM on May 20, 2016:

Jr... I heard Trader Joe's is coming to Erie Street Market in June.

You heard wrong. Quit reading MySpace.

I bought the ESM back in February. I will use the space for Toledo Talk HQ.

Plus, Jeep may want it someday and you can make a killing.

I'm assuming you mean Promedica.

Funny, I just heard there was a mexican restaurant moving in....

posted by endcycle on May 20, 2016 at 02:51:42 pm     #  

......... the thrill was the tour of Mr. Block’s collection of approximately 300 bottles of rare and single-batch bourbon and scotch, as well as gin, rum, and liqueurs.

Well, that explains a lot.

posted by Foodie on May 20, 2016 at 03:01:15 pm     #   1 person liked this

All this thread needs is for 6th to declare that, after this month, NOBODY goes to Washington Local Schools anymore! Those schools aren't even paying taxes!

posted by Anniecski on May 20, 2016 at 03:04:51 pm     #   1 person liked this

...possibly the most extensive collection of bourbon and single-malt scotch in Toledo, if not beyond.

Extensive is not exclusive. I have somewhere, and I've honestly forgotten where I put it, several bottles of pre-prohibition whiskey, all of which were aged 20 years or more before they were bottled. One is in the original package and labeled 'For Medicinal Use Only'. These bottles came from my paternal grandfather's estate - a real booze hound if there ever was one. Some of his escapades make my wildest nights look pretty tame. No, I'm not kidding. No, I haven't been drinking, but given the time I'm going to start in a few minutes. Ironically, his mother, which would be my great-grandmother, was a Temperance woman of significant repute. I gather she practiced what she preached, and would go on saloon raids periodically. I came across a picture of her recently that was published in the local paper some years back, and she is a very handsome woman, if a bit sour looking. I think a little nip now and then would have done her good.

Pardon me while I fill my glass.

posted by madjack on May 20, 2016 at 05:47:39 pm     #   1 person liked this

"Does anyone actually still go to Carmel's?"
Not for the food and certainly not for the service. More of a traditional neighborhood gathering spot.

posted by TrilbyGuy on May 20, 2016 at 06:03:27 pm     #  

Foodie posted at 04:01:15 PM on May 20, 2016:

......... the thrill was the tour of Mr. Block’s collection of approximately 300 bottles of rare and single-batch bourbon and scotch, as well as gin, rum, and liqueurs.

Well, that explains a lot.

Oh. That's where our raise went.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on May 20, 2016 at 06:06:27 pm     #   8 people liked this

You don't want to talk about it so that means nobody else can talk about correct? After all its not like this is a discussion forum or anything. You thread hijackers are something else. You only posted in this one ten times and have said absolutely nothing of value. I can't believe JR lets you angry old white men get away with this shit on here.

posted by reggie on May 21, 2016 at 04:20:26 am     #   1 person liked this

After all its not like this is a discussion forum or anything.

Yet, in almost every post, you provide an appraisal of the value of someone else's.

posted by justread on May 21, 2016 at 04:39:46 am     #   2 people liked this

TrilbyGuy posted at 07:03:27 PM on May 20, 2016:

"Does anyone actually still go to Carmel's?"
Not for the food and certainly not for the service. More of a traditional neighborhood gathering spot.

It's kind of an older crowd.
Somewhere between "cougar" and Eddie Lees, but not quite Kingston.

posted by justread on May 21, 2016 at 04:45:33 am     #   2 people liked this

lets you angry old white men get away with this shit on here

I am confident that angry old black men would be welcomed with open arms. Angry old black men are funny. This is the Sanford Principle.

posted by justread on May 21, 2016 at 05:33:41 am     #   5 people liked this

justread posted at 05:45:33 AM on May 21, 2016:
TrilbyGuy posted at 07:03:27 PM on May 20, 2016:

"Does anyone actually still go to Carmel's?"
Not for the food and certainly not for the service. More of a traditional neighborhood gathering spot.

It's kind of an older crowd.
Somewhere between "cougar" and Eddie Lees, but not quite Kingston.

I would put Eddie Lee's past Kingston. I'm 42 and I'm guaranteed to be the youngest person every time I eat there. I like to hang out there with all the other old white guy thread stealers.

posted by JoeyGee on May 21, 2016 at 05:57:48 am     #   2 people liked this

They hang out at Erie Street Market too....which by the way Flying Rhino's sells Tiedtke's Coffee at her stand.

posted by Molsonator on May 21, 2016 at 06:03:00 am     #  

justread posted at 05:39:46 AM on May 21, 2016:

After all its not like this is a discussion forum or anything.

Yet, in almost every post, you provide an appraisal of the value of someone else's.

He doesn't understand the plus sign icon. I think the PC term is differently abled or something.

posted by madjack on May 21, 2016 at 07:45:05 am     #  

I don't think Eddie Lee's is past Kingston. I'm not old enough to be an antique, and I hang out at Eddie Lee's sometimes. Those old has-been cougars sure know what they want!

posted by madjack on May 21, 2016 at 07:48:25 am     #  

justread nailed the Carmel's demo. I'm in my late 30's and it's a favorite hang out for the parents of my friends. Grab a table in the bar area around 5 and listen to the WLS gossip being discussed by cougar WLS employees.

posted by TrilbyGuy on May 21, 2016 at 07:58:54 am     #  

justread nailed the Carmel's demo

Yeah but in my defense, that was back in the 80s and 90s.

Oh...

posted by justread on May 21, 2016 at 08:30:12 am     #   1 person liked this

Those old has-been cougars sure know what they want!

It's not a scientific study, but they may like bikers. :)

posted by justread on May 21, 2016 at 08:34:00 am     #  

reggie posted at 05:20:26 AM on May 21, 2016:

You don't want to talk about it so that means nobody else can talk about correct? After all its not like this is a discussion forum or anything. You thread hijackers are something else. You only posted in this one ten times and have said absolutely nothing of value. I can't believe JR lets you angry old white men get away with this shit on here.

reggie, you also added nothing to the thread topic. It seems that no new information exists. Everything is a rehash of what was reported or rumored in 2015.

Do you have answers to RolandHansen's post that was for some reason another thread instead of a comment here?

"Whatever happened to Patrick Hickey, the former superintendent of Washington Local School District? Back in December 2015, Patrick Hickey allegedly stated that he planned to file complaints with the Ohio Ethics Commission against Washington Local Board of Education members Patricia Carmean and James Langenderfer, but to the best of my knowledge, there have been no reports about any such ethics complaints ever actually having been filed. And, what of the proclamation by Patrick Hickey that he was planning to seek election in 2017 to become a Member of the Washington Local Board of Education? Has anyone heard of the formation of an actual campaign committee or even of an exploratory committee by Patrick Hickey?"


I have questions too.

  • Why has the content at makingapredator.com been scrubbed?
  • Why has terrikern.wordpress.com deleted the Hickey-related posts that were made in 2015?
  • Why does hickeyleaks.org no longer exist?
  • Do you think that ALL of the Toledo media outlets have intentionally ignored the story?


Molsonator posted at 07:03:00 AM on May 21, 2016:

They hang out at Erie Street Market too....which by the way Flying Rhino's sells Tiedtke's Coffee at her stand.

The new coffee shop Kathy's Confections, located at Sylvania and Bowen, also sells Tiedtke’s Coffee.

May 23, 2016 - Toledo Blade - Toledo made a mean cup of coffee - "City once turned out 50 million pounds each year"

Coffee producers included Tiedtke’s, the Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Co. (A & P), Berdan Co., Woolson Spice Co., and Interstate Coffee Co.

Coffee brand names included Tiedtke’s, Eight O’Clock, Bokar, Red Circle, Empire, Chef, and Green Label.

Toledo News Bee photographer George Blount took this photo published May 30, 1936, at the A & P coffee packaging operation at 719 Brown Ave. near Detroit Avenue. At that time, A & P sold 15 percent of the coffee Americans drank every day, and a good part of it was processed and distributed in Toledo. The Toledo plant’s roasters could process 500 pounds of coffee every 18 minutes. Because unground coffee retained its flavor longer than ground coffee, A & P delivered its three brands of coffee to its stores unground.

The last A & P stores in Toledo closed in 1983. Then, after seven decades, the Toledo A & P coffee production facility closed in July, 1998.

posted by jr on May 23, 2016 at 08:45:42 am     #   2 people liked this

I snagged a bag of Tiedtke's Coffee at The Andersons the other night after reading about it here. Tiedtke's was just a memory for the locals when I arrived in Toledo in 1980 but I've heard so much about the store I just had to try the coffee.

Meh.

Didn't strike us as anything special - especially at $10 for 10 ounces.

posted by Foodie on May 23, 2016 at 10:11:48 am     #  

reggie posted at 05:20:26 AM on May 21, 2016:

You don't want to talk about it so that means nobody else can talk about correct? After all its not like this is a discussion forum or anything. You thread hijackers are something else. You only posted in this one ten times and have said absolutely nothing of value. I can't believe JR lets you angry old white men get away with this shit on here.

You want something relevant? The making a predator people exaggerated their connection to the law enforcement officer in Addison and he wasn't particularly happy that they put his name on their website without his consent.

posted by mom2 on May 23, 2016 at 11:22:54 am     #  

But I'd rather talk about Eddie Lee's - like JoeyGee, I'm 42 and enjoy going there once in awhile. My husband and I are usually the youngest people there when we drop by, but you can't beat the prime rib.

posted by mom2 on May 23, 2016 at 11:24:13 am     #  

Coffee producers included Tiedtke’s, the Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Co. (A & P), Berdan Co., Woolson Spice Co., and Interstate Coffee Co.

I happened to drive Summit St. to Point Place from downtown one day last week, and came across an old building with Woolson Spice Co. on the side. It reminded me that Downtown Toledo used to smell like spices on humid evenings, and my boyfriend at the time told me it was because downtown used to have some spice warehouses.

Does anyone know anything about this?

posted by Anniecski on May 23, 2016 at 01:31:46 pm     #  

I don't know about a lot of spice being stored, but I know that Woolson is really old. The spices would have been generations ago. They ended up with Lion coffee, which is credited as launching the first modern product advertising campaign. Alvin Woolson opened a store at Adams and 12th in 1875. In 1882, with $30,000 from John Berdan and James Secor he founded Woolson spice.
But for the next ten years, he tirelessly promoted Lion coffee, coming up with premiums like "save the wrapper" and "cut out the Lion's head." This would have been late 1800s.
The Arbuckle coffee guys paid $2,000,000 for the Lion name in 1896. That was a lot of money back then.

In 1980, some Hawaiian guys learned about the Lion brand and went to court and snagged it. Lion coffee lives again.

posted by justread on May 23, 2016 at 01:56:20 pm     #  

I moved into the neighborhood near Woolson Spice back in the early 60's and the smell of roasted coffee beans filed the whole area. Many years later I happened to be by the A&P coffee building on Brown Ave and the smell took me back to my childhood.

posted by OldTimer on May 23, 2016 at 02:12:03 pm     #  

It's a 12 oz bag for $9.99. :) foodie.

posted by Molsonator on May 23, 2016 at 04:58:45 pm     #  

I found the Half Caffeinated at Kathys Confections on West Sylvania. My father-in-law loves it.

posted by Molsonator on May 23, 2016 at 05:06:17 pm     #  

Molsonator posted at 05:58:45 PM on May 23, 2016:

It's a 12 oz bag for $9.99. :) foodie.

I stand corrected - thank you.

posted by Foodie on May 23, 2016 at 07:56:56 pm     #  

Has anyone noticed that this thread has been hijacked?

posted by madjack on May 24, 2016 at 09:58:53 am     #  

Every thread with more than 10 posts has been hijacked at some point (not verified).

posted by ahmahler on May 24, 2016 at 10:12:41 am     #  

This hijack, by the way, is not necessarily a bad thing. Given the original topic, I think that by hijacking the thread a certain amount of sanity has been saved among the casual contributors, and the quality of Toledo Talk has risen a few points.

I'm thinking of having a few margaritas for lunch today.

posted by madjack on May 24, 2016 at 11:23:23 am     #  

Because you care. :)

posted by Molsonator on May 24, 2016 at 12:32:46 pm     #   1 person liked this

Because you care. :)

posted by Molsonator on May 24, 2016 at 12:32:49 pm     #   1 person liked this

Because you care. :)

posted by Molsonator on May 24, 2016 at 12:32:51 pm     #   1 person liked this

Wow. My Bad.

posted by Molsonator on May 24, 2016 at 12:34:02 pm     #  

He really, really cares!

posted by mom2 on May 24, 2016 at 12:58:52 pm     #   6 people liked this

"Given the original topic, I think that by hijacking the thread a certain amount of sanity has been saved among the casual contributors, and the quality of Toledo Talk has risen a few points."

I made a feeble attempt to stay on topic.

For the final time ... (rhetorical questions included)

From a December 2015 Blade story :

Mr. Hickey remains on the district’s payroll through July 31.

Past TT threads:

These other websites focused on Hickey's issues.

But the content on those sites that contained the allegations and other information is gone. Why?

Why would content be removed if it was true?

Back in September, I was on reggie's side, and I wanted the Blade to investigate further, especially when Toledo city councilwoman Lindsey Webb supported Hickey.

Why should reggie go away? Ignore the thread if you are uncomfortable.

I hope that the Blade digs in. Better tell the Blade to go away. Good luck with that. They have lawyers too.

Hickey self-destructed, and he resigned. It was obvious that he was doomed when a Toledo politician supported him.

But thus far, the other allegations against Hickey have been unfounded. Again, why did the websites that advanced these allegations scrub their content?

Back in November, reggie said

Gee JR, what are you getting so pissed about? Do you need web links for everything? I've heard it from good sources ...

I assume that terrikern.wordpress.com, hickeyleaks.org, hickeyleaksagain.wordpress.com, and makingapredator.com also heard the info from good sources, but their information is gone.

My November 2015 response about wanting web links.

Yes, when claims are made.

I know that links exist, but it's not my responsibility to post them when others raise the issue.

This whole WLS spectacle is demented. Both sides are scary wackos.

Maybe I simply don't want this crap posted on a site that I fund.

Go elsewhere. Chris at SwampBubbles continues to monitor the subject.

Or start your own website and have at it.

Obviously, others did start websites, but their allegations were deleted.

Excerpts from a February 2016 historymike comment :

What Reggie and reyen seem to miss is that it is entirely possible for people to simultaneously think 1) Patrick Hickey has been a disaster for WLS; and 2) the smear tactics against people who supported Hickey cross the line of acceptable behavior.

If your end goal is bringing out the truth about Hickey, focus on him. All these side stories obscure and detract from your end goal.

A few months ago, Nolan investigated a charge, but he proved that the allegation was false.

There's no record in circuit or district court in Lenawee County of anything being filed, civil or criminal, this year that lists Patrick Hickey as a party.

The prosecuting attorney, listed on that summons, had no idea what I was talking about when I asked him.

The last Toledo Blade story that I could find that focused on Hickey and his WLS issues was published in February 2016.

The world will have to wait for the next ephemeral website to pop-up with yet another version of reality.

But that is the key. Others need to conduct their own investigations, file open records requests, interview people, and publish their findings on their own websites. And when that happens, I am sure someone will link to those websites from here.

And if the alternate reality proves to be the true reality, then I'll give congratulations and eat some Carolina-style barbecued crow.

Happy digging.

–30–

posted by jr on May 24, 2016 at 07:22:23 pm     #   6 people liked this

Hello JR. I see your point and respect your opinions on this subject.
The people claiming all these things against Hickey have been pretty
half-ass the way they have presented it.
Wonder if any of this is true?
According to a poster over at Swamp bubbles, that makingaprediator
site told them this:

"this organization has given all the evidence to the media outlets, including Rosenkrans. He received a large binder that was put together by Sergeant Larry Rothman of the Michigan State Police and given to the DA of Lenawee County. He obviously chooses to ignore it like everyone else. There is not much more The Truth Alliance can do at this point."

I wonder if Nolan received this info or not? I'm guessing if this is true nothing can be done if the woman involved don't want to testify.

As far as the thread hijacking goes, I still think its wrong for a few individuals (beside yourself) to dictate what should or shouldn't be discussed.

On a related side note, do you think that its interesting that Hickey's
wingman Lisa Canales is General Truck Repair’s new Marketing Director? Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

Thank you for your time!

posted by reggie on May 25, 2016 at 05:56:16 am     #   1 person liked this

reggie posted at 06:56:16 AM on May 25, 2016:

Hello JR. I see your point and respect your opinions on this subject.
The people claiming all these things against Hickey have been pretty

half-ass the way they have presented it.

Wonder if any of this is true?

According to a poster over at Swamp bubbles, that makingaprediator

site told them this:

"this organization has given all the evidence to the media outlets, including Rosenkrans. He received a large binder that was put together by Sergeant Larry Rothman of the Michigan State Police and given to the DA of Lenawee County. He obviously chooses to ignore it like everyone else. There is not much more The Truth Alliance can do at this point."

I wonder if Nolan received this info or not? I'm guessing if this is true nothing can be done if the woman involved don't want to testify.

As far as the thread hijacking goes, I still think its wrong for a few individuals (beside yourself) to dictate what should or shouldn't be discussed.

On a related side note, do you think that its interesting that Hickey's
wingman Lisa Canales is General Truck Repair’s new Marketing Director? Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

Thank you for your time!

Terri Kern calls it "repair" when she addresses that also.
But most people call it General Truck Sales.

posted by justread on May 25, 2016 at 06:17:33 am     #   1 person liked this

reggie posted at 06:56:16 AM on May 25, 2016:

Hello JR. I see your point and respect your opinions on this subject.
The people claiming all these things against Hickey have been pretty

half-ass the way they have presented it.

Wonder if any of this is true?

According to a poster over at Swamp bubbles, that makingaprediator

site told them this:

"this organization has given all the evidence to the media outlets, including Rosenkrans. He received a large binder that was put together by Sergeant Larry Rothman of the Michigan State Police and given to the DA of Lenawee County. He obviously chooses to ignore it like everyone else. There is not much more The Truth Alliance can do at this point."

I wonder if Nolan received this info or not? I'm guessing if this is true nothing can be done if the woman involved don't want to testify.

As far as the thread hijacking goes, I still think its wrong for a few individuals (beside yourself) to dictate what should or shouldn't be discussed.

On a related side note, do you think that its interesting that Hickey's
wingman Lisa Canales is General Truck Repair’s new Marketing Director? Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

Thank you for your time!

Wait...is the Truth Alliance claiming that Larry gave Nolan Rosenkrans a copy of the binder that he presented to the DA?

I call BS on that.

(Keep in mind that I have known Larry since we were 5 years old, and I spoke with him directly after I saw his name pop up on the making a predator website a few months ago.)

posted by mom2 on May 25, 2016 at 08:15:15 am     #   3 people liked this

According to a poster over at Swamp bubbles, that makingaprediator site told them this:

"this organization has given all the evidence to the media outlets, including Rosenkrans. He received a large binder that was put together by Sergeant Larry Rothman of the Michigan State Police and given to the DA of Lenawee County. He obviously chooses to ignore it like everyone else. There is not much more The Truth Alliance can do at this point."

I have something that The Truth Alliance can do: publish their own findings on their own website. Or publish the info at SwampBubbles.

It seems like a common sense question. Why don't they publish on the web?

It's understandable that people would be suspicious of the alliance when this is their homepage.


How come the Toledo subreddit is not discussing Hickey?

https://www.reddit.com/r/toledo

Check out the Berdan building thread and corresponding photo.

posted by jr on May 25, 2016 at 09:10:14 am     #  

Oh, I see. The Truth Alliance is claiming that Larry gave the binder to them, and they gave it to media outlets including Nolan. My statement above still stands with that correction.

The organization may very well have given out binders to media outlets, but it's misleading to say that the binder was put together by Larry.

posted by mom2 on May 25, 2016 at 11:05:00 am     #  

mom2 posted at 09:15:15 AM on May 25, 2016:
reggie posted at 06:56:16 AM on May 25, 2016:

Hello JR. I see your point and respect your opinions on this subject.
The people claiming all these things against Hickey have been pretty


half-ass the way they have presented it.


Wonder if any of this is true?


According to a poster over at Swamp bubbles, that makingaprediator


site told them this:

"this organization has given all the evidence to the media outlets, including Rosenkrans. He received a large binder that was put together by Sergeant Larry Rothman of the Michigan State Police and given to the DA of Lenawee County. He obviously chooses to ignore it like everyone else. There is not much more The Truth Alliance can do at this point."

I wonder if Nolan received this info or not? I'm guessing if this is true nothing can be done if the woman involved don't want to testify.

As far as the thread hijacking goes, I still think its wrong for a few individuals (beside yourself) to dictate what should or shouldn't be discussed.

On a related side note, do you think that its interesting that Hickey's
wingman Lisa Canales is General Truck Repair’s new Marketing Director? Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

Thank you for your time!

Wait...is the Truth Alliance claiming that Larry gave Nolan Rosenkrans a copy of the binder that he presented to the DA?

I call BS on that.

(Keep in mind that I have known Larry since we were 5 years old, and I spoke with him directly after I saw his name pop up on the making a predator website a few months ago.)

I will NOT have this thread hijacked with facts and reason, Mom2!

posted by JoeyGee on May 25, 2016 at 02:05:57 pm     #  

On a related side note, do you think that its interesting that Hickey's
wingman Lisa Canales is General Truck Repair’s new Marketing Director?
In a word, no. I find it puerile, tedious, and incredibly boring.

And now, if we (the great unwashed) can cease and desist hijacking this thread and get back to the original topic, Reggie will be able to sleep nights.

How about that Palacio Maya place over on Monroe. Has anyone eaten there recently?

posted by madjack on May 25, 2016 at 03:38:42 pm     #  

madjack #MicDrop

posted by Molsonator on May 25, 2016 at 06:43:54 pm     #  

Another update on the saga. J Baumhower was found guilty of domestic violence. Sentencing to be later this month.

posted by Hoops on Aug 08, 2016 at 01:49:52 pm     #   1 person liked this

Hope he spends some serious time in the pokey. Hope he has a cell mate who's been there a while. Hope the cell mate is 6'6", 300 lbs. , his name is Bubba and his favorite movie is Deliverance.

posted by Foodie on Aug 08, 2016 at 02:49:21 pm     #   2 people liked this

I have never seen someone post so many "public service announcements" on a Facebook page like Baumhower has the last month. Maybe he thinks the judge will be more lenient. We will know Friday at 8:31am.

posted by Molsonator on Aug 23, 2016 at 04:26:06 pm     #   1 person liked this

I'm not following him. What is he saying?

posted by upso on Aug 23, 2016 at 05:49:27 pm     #  

F him.
F Kern.
F Hickey.
Open house was tonight. The principal, teacher's, kids and parents I talked to today didn't mention last year's clown show once. Tomorrow starts the new school year.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Aug 23, 2016 at 07:13:23 pm     #   2 people liked this

Hoops posted at 02:49:52 PM on Aug 08, 2016:

Another update on the saga. J Baumhower was found guilty of domestic violence. Sentencing to be later this month.

I doubt he'll do any time, or if he does it'll be minimal. He'll probably be ordered to stay away from his ex-old lady for the rest of his natural life, and then get seriously hosed on alimony and child support.

Let Baumhower pick on someone his own size. Joanna Jedrzejczyk, maybe. Get a video of that altercation and watch it go viral in 30 seconds.

posted by madjack on Aug 23, 2016 at 10:15:46 pm     #  

So how did the sentence turn out?

Considering he is still posting on social media this weekend, guessing it isn't much.

posted by Spaceace on Aug 28, 2016 at 05:48:49 pm     #  

Hickey was escorted out of the game tonight at Perrysburg by Wood County Sheriffs.

Apparently he re-entered the stadium after being asked to leave the area behind the end zone.

He is a complete idiot. If he isn't being tossed out of sporting events he's making up facebook and twitter accounts to be disruptive to the district's business.

Many think Hickey is behind the WLS Watch Dog facebook and twitter accounts.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 09, 2016 at 11:44:53 pm     #  

Hickey is mentally ill. One of these days he is going to hurt somebody if he doesn't get help.

posted by reggie on Sep 10, 2016 at 04:33:20 am     #   1 person liked this

Being escorted out of the game isn't the half of it. Check this out:

Patrick Hickey arrested naked in hotel room as Irish Olympics chief is charged with ticket touting
Europe's top Olympics official Patrick Hickey was arrested on ticket-touting charges while nakedly fleeing to his son's hotel room in Rio on Wednesday.
Europe's top Olympic official arrested in Rio over tickets sales
Mr Hickey, 71, is suspected of being involved in a scheme to sell tickets for higher than their face value.
While police said they had reason to believe he was trying to escape, a video apparently of the arrest on the ESPN Brazil sports news website shows Mr Hickey answering the door naked to officers.

Looks like Hickey is taking a page from Pastor Pants' playbook.

posted by madjack on Sep 10, 2016 at 08:18:12 am     #  

madjack !

Props. Respect. Fist bump. Tip of the hat, and all that stuff......

LMAO, well done, sir !!

posted by foodie88 on Sep 10, 2016 at 09:47:53 am     #  

The rumor is that WLS has received an F from the most recent district grade cards.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 15, 2016 at 09:26:04 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 10:26:04 PM on Sep 15, 2016:

The rumor is that WLS has received an F from the most recent district grade cards.

It was a D.

(FWIW, the state superintendent cautioned against making year to year comparisons for a district, because there have been significant changes in the criteria used for the report cards. 3 years in a row.)

posted by mom2 on Sep 16, 2016 at 05:29:32 am     #  

According to The Blade, it was an "F". Springfield, Rossford * Washington Local received "D"s and Maumee and Sylvania both scored "c"s.

This new rating, is the 3rd different system in 3 years they've used and it's totally unforgiving. Last year, they never released grades because they scrapped it before it was reported. As the parent of a Springfield student, I really dug into the grades. I was a little shocked looking at the overall grades and most are A's and B's with a few C's, and a few F's. Unfortunately, the high grades weren't in areas that have a lot of weight. It's a little difficult to understand, but the basic takeaway is this-there are benchmarks that are heavily weighted-for example, 73% of children to meet proficient in __________ at whatever grade level to pass. Those proficiency standards, I suspect, will prove to be controversial. They are very high, which, by itself is not a bad thing, but it then puts a grade on the school for not achieving something that is very difficult to achieve. Only 8 districts in the state received an "A". So these grades are not curved, they are disproportionately distributed at the "D" level or below.

Not defending TPS, I didn't look at their scores, I would just caution everyone to take this study with huge grain of salt

posted by ahmahler on Sep 16, 2016 at 07:27:47 am     #   2 people liked this

"Not defending TPS, I didn't look at their scores, I would just caution everyone to take this study with huge grain of salt"

The report cards have changed nearly every year for about 15 years. I know that 6th_Floor mentioned WLS, but this comment focuses on TPS.

From the Sep 16, 2016 Blade story

In the six new graded areas, TPS received five Fs and one A.

TPS is one of 30 Ohio districts to get an F in achievement, which reflects how many students passed state tests and how well they performed. Most districts that fail in that category are in urban areas.

Ottawa Hills received an A in achievement. Perrysburg and Anthony Wayne received Bs, Maumee and Sylvania received Cs, and Northwood and Washington Local received Ds.

The other A-rated districts are, like Ottawa Hills, suburbs of larger Ohio cities. Cleveland suburban districts Beachwood City, Brecksville-Broadview Heights City, Rocky River City, and Solon City School Districts; Cincinnati suburban districts Indian Hill Exempted Village and Madeira City School Districts, and Dayton suburb Oakwood City School District all received A grades in achievement.

Kevin Miller, Ottawa Hills superintendent, said he is proud of his students, but he acknowledged the advantages the community provides his district. “We do not have a poverty rate in our community,” Mr. Miller said. “They can focus on education.”

Allegedly, in some parts of Toledo, such as the Old South End, over 40 percent of the residents live below the poverty line. And allegedly, children from low-income households start kindergarten well behind in learning development, compared to other kids . Some families don't have books to read to their pre-school children. Allegedly, reading to kids for at least 15 minutes a day helps children to perform better in school. But some parents struggle to read. Generational poverty.


Some past TPS report card info:

August 2013 post about TPS's report card for the 2012-2013 school year:

  • Reading F
  • Math: F
  • Graduate Rate 4 year: F
  • Graduation Rate 5 year: F
  • Students in the Lowest 20% of Achievement and Students with Disabilities: A


2011 post

Toledo Public School system report cards are released in August, and they cover the previous school year:
  • 2002 : report card showed TPS met 5 of 27 academic standards (18%) during the 2001-2002 school year
  • 2003 : 6 of 22 (27%)
  • 2004 : 7 of 18 (39%)
  • 2005 : 4 of 23 (17%)
  • 2006 : 6 of 25 (24%)
  • 2007 : 5 of 30 (17%)
  • 2008 : 5 of 30 (17%)
  • 2009 : 6 of 30 (20%)
  • 2010 : 4 of 26 (15%)
  • 2011 : 5 of 26 (19%)

All of those percentages were below 40 percent. For the above 10-year stretch, six years were below 20 percent. Even though the state did not assign letter grades back then, those seem like F-grades to me.


The Ohio Department of Education's website also provides report card information for each individual school building within a district.

For the 2015-2016, nearby Elmhurst Elementary received a C-grade for achievement. In past years under the old grading system, Elmhurst normally received the highest grade available, which was "Excellent."

From the Sep 16, 2016 Blade story:

Many school districts’ grades fell on the 2015 report card, reflecting the state’s move to more rigorous exams.

More rigorous. Good.

posted by jr on Sep 16, 2016 at 08:42:17 am     #   1 person liked this

The even crazier stats. Most High Schools graduate above 90% of their students. In our area, only 2 districts didn't graduate 90+% TPS (70%, up from 63%) and Washington Local (87%). Of the TPS schools-Woodward and Waite both had graduation rates in the 50's!

Ottawa Hills is getting a lot of local press for their achievement, good for them. However, The Superintendent rightfully points out their good fortune in that they have no students below the poverty line. There is a strong correlation between poverty and poor school performance (As JR points out). These studies, while important, imply that the entire burden lies on the district. There should be a little more information regarding poverty level in school districts. If you have 20% of your student population in low income, that can really skew your grades, as evidenced in Springfield and Rossford, and really amplified in the TPS findings. The encouraging stats-Toledo Technology Academy and Toledo Early College seem to be beacons of light.

posted by ahmahler on Sep 16, 2016 at 09:31:24 am     #   1 person liked this

Only 8 districts in the entire state of Ohio received an A for achievement. Only 8! Wow.

All of them are districts in suburbs of larger cities. I recognize several of those district names as having a reputation for being wealthy districts with low poverty rates too.

So what does that mean for urban students? Rural students? Students in less exclusive suburbs?

How is it that there are only eight A districts in the state?

posted by mom2 on Sep 16, 2016 at 10:23:49 am     #  

Those "report cards" are essentially worthless and gauges of the value of the school and the district; as others in the story noted, they do best at telling us which districts are the richest in Ohio, which all kinds of educational theory tells us, also define what is "best". Ottawa Hills is "the best" because it is by far the richest district in the region. I'm sure the quality of their educational program is also good, but to suggest that they're somehow working magic that TPS or Rossford cannot is to make meaning from those state "report cards" that doesn't belong.

My somewhat cynical view of the Report Cards is that they are most useful for realtors and status-seeking parents, as well as for suburban and rural politicians to beat up on high-poverty districts.

posted by swampprof on Sep 16, 2016 at 11:04:36 am     #   1 person liked this

I don't know about for the 2015-2016 school year, but one stat that is interesting is the cost to educate one student for year in a district, especially when compared to the number of performance indicators met (old measure).

In past years, Ottawa Hills generally spent more per student for a year than any other school district in our immediate area. Generally, number two was TPS.

TPS spent more per student than Anthony Wayne, Perrysburg, Sylvania, Maumee, etc.

The info below is from my October 2014 comment

I said "generally" above because for the FY12 year, which I think was for 2011-2012, Rossford spent more than anyone, and yet for the amount of money that Rossford spent, that district did not score well.

In our area for FY12, Eastwood spent the least per student, but it met all performance indicators two years later in the 2013-2014 school year.


Total Expenditures - per TPS student for one school year:

  • FY08 : $11,979
  • FY09 : $13,269
  • FY10 : $13,543
  • FY11 : $13,859
  • FY12 : $12,470

Total Expenditures FY12 - per student - area school districts - cost displayed lowest to highest - along with the percentage of performance indicators met for the 2013-2014 school year.

Eastwood Local SDWood$7,907100%
Lake Local SDWood$8,52683.3%
Otsego Local SDWood$8,52983.3%
Perrysburg Ex Vill SDWood$8,581100%
Elmwood Local SDWood$8,60075.0%
Anthony Wayne Local SDLucas$8,960100%
Springfield Local SDLucas$9,11870.8%
North Baltimore Local SDWood$9,14766.7%
Northwood Local SDWood$9,23979.2%
Oregon City SDLucas$9,87470.8%
Bowling Green City SDWood$10,31979.2%
Sylvania City SDLucas$10,660100%
Washington Local SDLucas$11,22566.7%
Maumee City SDLucas$11,23291.7%
Toledo City SDLucas$12,4708.3%
Ottawa Hills Local SDLucas$13,501100%
Rossford Ex Vill SDWood$15,58975.0%


In that October 2014 thread, Anniecski suggested

I'd like to see another column that shows the poverty rate for each community, which I believe may be a larger contributing factor than the amount spent per pupil.

Good idea. That data exists somewhere.

In October 2014, Nolan suggested

As an inexact proxy for poverty levels, you can use economic hardship levels for each schools using the Advanced Reports. Economic hardship levels are the free and reduced lunch levels.

In that thread, sflagg wrote

Poverty is an issue for many schools still it's also about how teachers are assigned - seniority only - and the inability to match teaching resources to need.


It might be interesting to see this data updated.

September 2004 Toledo Talk thread that excerpted from a Toledo Blade story about teacher's pay. That Blade story included detailed, tabular data that existed in the print version but not on its website. Again, this is from 12 years ago.

Nationally, the average salary for a teacher was $45,771. Ohio ranked 15th in the nation in average salary at $45,515. But the state ranked 27th for its average beginning teacher salary of $28,866.

Michigan teachers on average took home nearly $10,000 more than their Ohio counterparts. The average teacher salary in that state was $54,020, which was the second-highest in the nation behind California.

Toledo Public Schools pays $32,697 annually to a teacher straight out of college.

Catholic high schools in the metro Toledo area paid an average starting salary of $24,506 last year.

On the elementary-school level, the average starting pay was $20,925.

The affluent Ottawa Hills school district offers a starting salary of $31,602 a year.


My September 2004 comments based upon the data from that September 2004 Blade story:

TPS pays a higher starting salary than Ottawa Hills for teachers with a Bachelors degree.

But OH has a much higher average salary at $60,621 versus TPS's $45,968.

With a Master's degree, the starting salaries between the two [school districts] are about the same.

With just a Bachelors degree and 27 years experience, TPS pays $55,577 and OH pays $53,091.

With a Masters degree and 27 years experience, OH pays $70,788 and TPS pays $60,595.

The average salary for Ottawa Hills is tops in northwest Ohio and ninth highest in Ohio.

Catholic school teachers are paid considerably less than public school teachers.


I don't have the time nor the interest to track down the latest data for all of the above, but I would be interested in viewing it even if no positive actions occur from it. People will interpret the data and draw conclusions in many ways.

posted by jr on Sep 16, 2016 at 12:50:46 pm     #  

I think high poverty districts should get the same pass on educating students as their parents get on raising them.

posted by justread on Sep 16, 2016 at 12:59:09 pm     #  

Obviously I don't really think that. But I do think an accountability gap exists and that there aren't just resource driven differences.

There are expectation differences. You can't just diminish everything being done right by parents, kids and teachers in the OH district because they have resources. Perhaps hard work caused both the resources and the academic success in some of these families. It's possible. People do buy houses and move in to Ottawa Hills just like Perrysburg or Sylvania. They weren't all born there in 1890 with basements full of gold.

Although they take your garbage to the street for you. Which does allow more time for studies.

posted by justread on Sep 17, 2016 at 04:39:32 am     #   2 people liked this

Be careful, Justread. PH2 might read this and institute a Garbage for Grades government initiative. She'll triple the current garbage fee and hire tons of new union positions to take trash to the curb for Toledo residents. Government win. Union win. It's perfect for Toledo.

posted by JoeyGee on Sep 17, 2016 at 08:01:17 am     #   3 people liked this

^^
Post of the week.

posted by Foodie on Sep 17, 2016 at 02:03:47 pm     #  

JoeyGee posted at 09:01:17 AM on Sep 17, 2016:

Be careful, Justread. PH2 might read this and institute a Garbage for Grades government initiative. She'll triple the current garbage fee and hire tons of new union positions to take trash to the curb for Toledo residents. Government win. Union win. It's perfect for Toledo.

Gotta get future council and port board members somewhere.

posted by justread on Sep 17, 2016 at 02:07:48 pm     #  

Back in the day they did use to take your cans to the curb for you...

posted by Mike21 on Sep 17, 2016 at 07:44:13 pm     #  

And the saga continues...
http://www.toledoblade.com/Editorials/2017/05/13/Office-seeking-as-grudge-sport.html
In what alternate universe does he think he can win?

posted by OldTimer on May 13, 2017 at 08:46:56 am     #  

Sadly, his fan club may get him elected. We're talking about the same people who voted in PH2 and Lindsay Webb.

posted by TrilbyGuy on May 13, 2017 at 10:25:25 am     #   2 people liked this

TrilbyGuy posted at 11:25:25 AM on May 13, 2017:

Sadly, his fan club may get him elected. We're talking about the same people who voted in PH2 and Lindsay Webb.

Never have more truthful words been said.

posted by Erin on May 13, 2017 at 05:37:00 pm     #  

My understanding is that over 6 people are going to run for the board positions which may dilute the vote enough for him to win. Some of these people are part of his group.

posted by OldTimer on May 14, 2017 at 12:00:50 pm     #