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Golf carts downtown

No, no and no. Downtown has its pros and cons but making it resemble the tackiest place in the state, Put-in-Bay, with all the annoying golf carts is not an improvement.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/02/28/Pilot-program-would-allow-golf-cart-driving-in-parts-of-Toledo.html

created by westsidebob on Feb 28, 2017 at 09:40:43 am     Comments: 76

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Now this we can agree on!!!

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 28, 2017 at 09:56:12 am     #  

I've never heard PIB referred to as tacky. To the contrary, its one of the best things we have to offer.......its much more than just a weekend place to party down (not that theres anything wrong with that). Regardless, golf carts downtown? Meh. Isnt going to hurt a thing.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 28, 2017 at 10:17:09 am     #  

This rabid debate has the olfaction of originating with the greying hippies of the OWE who maybe need to extinguish their hookahs or do it correctly and move to Panama City where carts are de rigueur.

posted by Mariner on Feb 28, 2017 at 10:19:09 am     #  

Poor idea. I work and live downtown and don't understand the need for this. The carts will have to stay in the downtown area. I have no issues walking between bars downtown and then back home. Everytime I went to Wesley's this summer there were always bike taxi's waiting for passengers. This is going to cut into their business as well.

I don't want to be dealing with noise with loud drunks at 2 a.m. riding around on an open golf cart when I'm trying to sleep.

posted by classylady on Feb 28, 2017 at 11:22:17 am     #   1 person liked this

Have any of you ever been to Sun City Florida or The Villages ? Tell them hell no. You don't want to cross that line.

posted by Wydowmaker on Feb 28, 2017 at 12:20:16 pm     #  

In Nashville, they have people who drive around in golf carts to get you from Bar A to Bar B, or t your hotel. The service is free and the drivers work off tips.

posted by Hoops on Feb 28, 2017 at 01:34:58 pm     #   1 person liked this

^
I saw something similar in Scottsdale last spring

posted by wahhutch9 on Feb 28, 2017 at 02:02:06 pm     #  

Hoops posted at 01:34:58 PM on Feb 28, 2017:

In Nashville, they have people who drive around in golf carts to get you from Bar A to Bar B, or t your hotel. The service is free and the drivers work off tips.

We have the same thing in Charlotte.

posted by clt212 on Feb 28, 2017 at 05:47:00 pm     #  

What are the conditions of the urban streets of Charlotte? A golf cart has 4-6in. ground clearance.Bump Bump Bump. There goes another ejected council person on Adams St. Occasionally our man-hole covers get thrust into the air from below ground electrical malfunctions like so many IED's going off might be better to be in a humvee if the timing was just right.

posted by Mariner on Mar 01, 2017 at 09:25:20 am     #  

It'll be interesting to see how the golf carts can handle the massive potholes in our roads. The other cities mentioned here are warmer climates where the roads don't have the winter wear and tears ours do and/or cities that take care of their roads and don't ignore pot holes.

I'd hate to be riding home drunk on one and have it hit one of our crater of a pot holes:)

posted by classylady on Mar 01, 2017 at 09:41:01 am     #  

I wonder how this would affect the pedicab scene?

Living in the OWE, where we have "legal" carts roaming one weekend a year, all I can say is it's absolute chaos and I don't think I'd like to see this happening downtown on a regular basis.

That said, golf carts are not inexpensive so I wouldn't expect a massive influx in ownership and usage.

posted by upso on Mar 01, 2017 at 10:34:13 am     #   1 person liked this

Hmmmm.

If I bought the right golf cart, I could sell beers and make a little $ . . .

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-Golf-Beverage-cart-in-excellent-condition-/292036632038?forcerrptr=true&hash=item43febd5de6:g:1ksAAOSwJ7RYXDKM&item=292036632038

posted by jimavolt on Mar 01, 2017 at 01:00:24 pm     #   1 person liked this

Hey Jim, need a bar back? I work cheap these days.

Sure, golf carts downtown. What could possibly go wrong? I'm not sure you need an operator's license to drive a golf cart, which would make things even more interesting. Run-ins with Toledo's Finest would be absolutely priceless.

When I lived in Florida, it seemed like every lunatic in the State had one of those motorized wheel chair / golf cart vehicles, and they'd drive right down the center lane of a divided highway. I think some of them had a death wish. And most would think nothing of driving down the aisles of the local supermarket, running over or through anyone who dared stand in their way, or was too slow to jump for safety.

I, straight money, made the big mistake of holding a door open for one bum on an electric scooter, and he came within an ace of running over my feet. If I hadn't yelled he'd have nailed me good. Believe me, that was the last time I ever did that.

Then there are the drunks who get a little confused about the somewhat familiar cart and their surroundings.

Who me? I'm playin' the back nine.

Yeah, golf carts. What an idea.

See you all at the 19th hole.

posted by madjack on Mar 01, 2017 at 06:00:23 pm     #  

Imagine , if you will , the crowd leaving a ballgame ,a hockey game , a concert or the fireworks on the 4th. Alcohol served at each venue except the 4th , bring your own. Add to that a number of golf carts among the crowds , possibly driven by slightly intoxicated operators. Drive to close to a pedestrian or step in front of golf cart and the person is confrontational , we've got a problem. Where do they plan on parking these golf carts at 5th 3rd or the Huntington or the different bars and restaurants? Do we have enough police officers to police the golf carts ? Will they take officers from your neighborhood to patrol the golf carts?

posted by marving on Mar 01, 2017 at 08:22:14 pm     #  

My imagination was not sufficient to raise a few drunk idiots on golf carts to the level of threat to my safety 8 miles away. The police already weren't going to step in between me and an attacker. I was on my own for that.

I assume parking will be sorted out as a free market issue.

You know these people you describe have been driving CARS this whole time, right?

I'll ride shotgun on Jim's beer cart. Old white guys can be scary if they worked in bars long enough.

posted by justread on Mar 01, 2017 at 08:37:25 pm     #   1 person liked this

One thing that will stop this - INSURANCE.

posted by Molsonator on Mar 01, 2017 at 08:41:52 pm     #  

You would have to have insurance as well as seat belts and headlights and at least 1 tail light. OVI laws would also apply. No one will be selling alcohol from them. The whole idea is to provide a taxi-like service from one establishment to another.

posted by Mike21 on Mar 01, 2017 at 11:54:00 pm     #  

From the Blade article:

Proposed rules of the road

Golf carts and low-speed vehicles would be allowed on public streets within designated areas of Point Place, the Old West End, the Warehouse District, and downtown under a proposal being considered by Toledo City Council.
  • Owners or operators of any golf cart or low-speed vehicle to pay a $25 registration fee and carry proof of insurance
  • The vehicle can only be operated on streets with a 35 mph speed limit or less
  • The driver must be at least 16 years old and have a valid driver’s license
  • The vehicle must have turn signals, two headlights, a horn, at least one working brake light, tail lights, a rear view mirror, a windshield, one seat belt per occupant, child safety seats and booster seats for children in need of those, and an illuminated license plate.

More from the article:

Jeff Jones, who spends his days painting Jeeps at the Toledo Assembly Complex, has been eagerly waiting to launch a business that will have taxi golf carts crisscrossing the streets of downtown. Mr. Jones lives downtown.

Councilman Lindsay Webb pitched the idea in December when she asked for a pilot program to run from April 1 to Dec. 31, 2017, in Point Place and the Old West End. Her proposed ordinance has since been stuck in committee.

Since then, the idea has been expanded to also include downtown, the Warehouse District, and a stretch that runs from the Old West End to the Toledo Museum of Art.

The most recent proposal, which will be discussed by council’s committee of the whole today [Feb 28, 2017], would authorize a pilot program to run from April 1 to Dec. 31, 2018. Data collected during the pilot program would be used to determine if it could be expanded to more neighborhoods, the legislation states.

posted by jr on Mar 01, 2017 at 11:57:53 pm     #  

While a taxi service could start up from this ordinance , it isn't specifically for that purpose. Anyone can buy a golf cart and if they can get it downtown , either on a trailer or in the back of a pickup truck , you can drive it around downtown ,the warehouse district and the OWE. If you lived and worked in that area you could even drive your golf cart to work. Or after you're done at the boat club you could brave Summit St. or hop on the bike path and weave your way through the neighborhoods to get downtown.

posted by marving on Mar 02, 2017 at 06:30:19 am     #  

Molsonator posted at 08:41:52 PM on Mar 01, 2017:

One thing that will stop this - INSURANCE.

Molsonator for the win.

FINDING an insurer willing to write the coverage is problem #1. The vast majority will cover the golf cart ONLY if it is used to service your RESIDENCE premises.

Assuming you can obtain the off premises coverage and you plan on using the golf cart to make a few extra bucks transporting patrons from one venue to another - you are now in the livery service business which adds another layer of complexity and insurability.

posted by Foodie on Mar 02, 2017 at 09:02:29 am     #  

No motorized vehicles are allowed on bike paths except emergency vehicles. Insurance regulations haven't slowed down other liverly services like uber or lyft... We'll have to see what happens when an uber driver's passenger gets hurt in an accident...my guess is they won't be covered and lawsuits will be filed against both the driver and the company.

posted by Mike21 on Mar 02, 2017 at 09:17:31 am     #  

Is this a thing somewhere that I don't know about? Are there golf carts roaming the streets in some urban paradise that I'm unaware of?

posted by ahmahler on Mar 02, 2017 at 10:11:00 am     #  

I am confident the City officials will regulate it diligently, just like the parking lot operators around downtown........................................said no man ever !

posted by Hoops on Mar 02, 2017 at 10:36:46 am     #  

Is the insurance cost lower for the downtown Toledo pedicab drivers versus what golf cart taxi drivers would pay?

http://www.glasscitypedicabs.com - I think that they started peddling people around downtown Toledo in 2011. And they are still operating.

July 2012 Blade story City council ponders new rules for pedicabs

Is it a bicycle? Is it a taxi? Nope, it's both. With more pedicabs anticipated to hit the streets, the city is looking to revamp its 15-year-old regulations for the vehicles.

City council is to vote Tuesday [July 2012] on the new rules, which include requiring owners and operators to apply for permits, obtain $1 million liability insurance, and add safety features such as headlights and taillights to the pedicabs. The new rules also require background checks for pedicab drivers.

[Pedicabs] serve primarily as a transportation option for people looking to travel distances that are a little far to walk but don't warrant a regular taxi cab.

Couldn't that last sentence apply to golf cart taxis, especially if someone wants to get from one point to another faster due to a little iffy weather?

With 3 million people soon working in downtown Toledo, is it possible that some workers might want to dine for lunch at one of the 10,000 thousand eateries located on both sides of the river, but it's a little too far to walk, and it's still too close to make it worthwhile to drive, which might mean a golf cart taxi could be a viable option?



Per the mention of Nashville above, http://joyrideus.com operates in multiple cities, including Nashville. It's probably a bit more sophisticated than what we might see in Toledo. JoyRide provides mobile apps.

Article

First came the pedal taverns, followed by the pedi-cabs. Now, golf carts are the latest form of alternative transportation whisking tourists up and down Nashville city streets.

One local company, bolstered by new Metro regulations that passed last month to govern the service, sees an opportunity to be on the forefront of a new industry – “micro-transportation.”

The idea is simple: create a low-cost, low-barrier transportation option for three- to five-minute rides, covering distances that are too close for taxis, but too far to walk.

Sizemore has plans to get more locals riding this year by tackling a much-talked about issue: parking.

The company is entirely tip-based, meaning there is no base fee for a ride. Like Uber, Joyride takes a certain percentage of drivers’ tips to maintain the golf carts, run a dispatch system and handle the Metro permitting process, required under the new regulations that passed.

The regulations also require the golf carts to be inspected annually, have blinkers and tail lights, and seat belts for all passengers. And, drivers must pass background checks and training similar to those required of Metro taxi drivers.

Obviously, it's invalid to compare Toledo to Nashville, but a growing downtown Toledo should be able to offer and support multiple types of transportation, such as a golf cart tax service.

Maybe the time is ripe for the rickshaw too? These entrepreneurs made it work.



Per the mention of Charlotte above, http://cruisecarts.com

It’s simple… Cruise Carts is a Free, Green & Safe ride in and around Charlotte, NC. Our eco-friendly, advertiser-driven golf cart shuttle service is your solution to getting around town.

Cruise Carts frequents the exciting, high traffic entertainment & historic districts throughout Uptown and surrounding neighborhoods.

News article CruiseCarts.

Adams and Allen are a part of a network of friends that are entrepreneurial minded and experienced marketing professionals. One of these friends, Torrie Savage, was working with a client with a rickshaw business, and that’s when Dustin first got his idea. Realizing that he could reinvent the concept of the rickshaw rides, Adams began conceptualizing a business based on an advertising driven golf cart service.

The focus of the service is to provide free, green and safe rides around Charlotte. The rides are free due to sponsors that advertise on the carts. The carts are 100% electric and the 4 passenger carts adhere to 35 mph driving zones and are street-legal.

Wednesday through Sunday, the carts have set routes around the city and are easily visible during the weekends near areas with high nightlife traffic. Those were the original intended paths, but, as always, new needs and opportunities have arisen.

Advertisers have the ability to get creative with the carts and thanks to the mobility of the carts, will reach a wider and more diverse audience. “People don’t buy products anymore, they buy experiences” Adams said.


JoyRide is tip-based, and CruiseCarts is ad-supported.

I have no idea of the proposed design for Toledo's golf cart taxis, but are the Charlotte golf carts tacky? Our buses have advertising.


I assume one without advertising:



And what about the insurance cost for HandleBar Toledo?

It's a pedalpub. Up to 16 passengers can drink alcohol and dance with most having the ability to peddle the vehicle.

You can imagine the difficulty we had finding insurance for this thing in America, so the rules are strictly enforced.

Must be 21 to drink alcohol at bars, but we do allow 18yr olds to ride along. Sorry, our insurance policy does not allow children to ride.

The HandleBar carries 16 passengers maximum, plus the Pilot, the Bar Handler. We cannot accommodate any more than 16 per bike due to insurance reasons.

Anyway, there are 12 “BarStools” total (6 on each side) but only 10 total pedaling seats, (5 on each side). If you look at the pictures of the Pedal Pub you’ll notice 2 of the “Bar Stools” don’t have pedals below them because they’re over the rear wheels.

There is also a bench in the back of The HandleBar that seats three for people who want a rest or would rather just relax. The last spot is in the middle of The HandleBar for the group “bartender” (if you want one) – often the middle of the bike also turns into a dance floor.

As far as a minimum number, we recommend a minimum of 6 people to rent The HandleBar. (There are 10 “pedaling” seats, so 10 is actually ideal if everyone wants to pedal the entire time)

We call the driver The Bar Handler. Our insurance provider requires it. The Bar Handler. If you act in a dangerous manner, you’ll be asked to get off and find your own way home.

Is it harder for a golf cart tax service to get insurance compared to a group peddling and booze drinking vehicle?

posted by jr on Mar 02, 2017 at 10:49:48 am     #   3 people liked this

Didn't say it's impossible, it just isn't easy or cheap. And you'll have to go to the non-standard insurance market to find the coverage.

As for Uber and Lyft, if you are a driver for one of these services and are relying on your personal auto insurance policy to provide coverage in the event of a claim, you're in for a surprise.

posted by Foodie on Mar 02, 2017 at 11:20:07 am     #  

"Is it harder for a golf cart tax service to get insurance compared to a group peddling and booze drinking vehicle?" - It may be the difference between Motorized and NonMotorized. Also, isn't there a designation of slow moving vehicle? That could come into play. Did the Pedicab drivers need a chauffeur license...I don't remember.

The first time a car hits a golf cart all bets are off.

posted by Molsonator on Mar 02, 2017 at 12:03:28 pm     #  

I have seen people with motorized bikes on the bike trails and along the riverfront bike/walking trail before so hopefully some drunk golf drivers don't decide to try that for a short cut/scenic route. Seeing there is no lighting along the riverfront trail or bike trails that probably won't be an issue at night.

With the Pedibars don't they have to have a liquor license or is it BYOB and they are getting around it and the open container law somehow? I've seen the Pedibar downtown before where it is not an open container area.

I know three people who live downtown and drive for Uber and/or Lyft (one works full time downtown and the other works full time in Maumee and do it for supplemental income and the other is retired and does it for supplement income) and all three have told me the majority of the rides they give don't tip. They are going to have a lot of problems finding drivers who are willing to give up their summer weekend nights if the golf cart riders are as cheap about tipping as they are with Uber/Lyft drivers.

posted by classylady on Mar 02, 2017 at 12:12:31 pm     #  

And the golf carts are approved. Starts next year. I like the idea in the Point, not sure about downtown.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Mar 09, 2017 at 08:36:49 am     #  

I am sure TPD will be out with their hand held radar guns ready to enforce "safety"

posted by Hoops on Mar 09, 2017 at 08:59:41 am     #   1 person liked this

Why the delay - why didn't they approve it for this year?

posted by Mike21 on Mar 09, 2017 at 09:32:55 am     #  

I'm sure the pedicab and Uber drivers downtown aren't happy right now.

Will the golf carts chauffeuring people around be subject to uniform rates like taxis or can they set their own rates.?

posted by classylady on Mar 09, 2017 at 02:17:42 pm     #  

Maybe it will lead to more shoveling, and everybody wins.

posted by justread on Mar 09, 2017 at 02:24:12 pm     #  

"I'm sure the pedicab and Uber drivers downtown aren't happy right now."

Were the taxi drivers happy with Uber and Lyft?

It's business competition. And these services vary.

If downtown Toledo is growing in the number of workers, residents, visitors, and businesses, then more transportation options will be good for consumers.

Simple travel options for crossing the river downtown might be a good idea, especially if the east bank gets more developed.

posted by jr on Mar 09, 2017 at 02:37:16 pm     #   1 person liked this

The last few times I used a taxi before Uber/Lyft were available in Toledo there was an absurd wait downtown. Last time was from the Ottawa Tavern to the Warehouse district and it was a 40 minute wait for B&W. With Uber or Lyft it is no more than a few minutes. Obviously the taxi business in Toledo wasn't too concerned about losing downtown business or there wouldn't have been that long of a wait.

The main business that Uber will be losing to the golf carts will be downtown to downtown area rides anyway and my friends that drive for Uber and Lyft tell me those rides are usually poor/non tippers so they may welcome competition.

I've always thought water taxis would be a neat way to get people from the restaurants at the docks to downtown. They should have concerts/events at International park and set up food trucks on weekends.

posted by classylady on Mar 09, 2017 at 02:59:14 pm     #  

classylady posted at 02:17:42 PM on Mar 09, 2017:

I'm sure the pedicab and Uber drivers downtown aren't happy right now.

Will the golf carts chauffeuring people around be subject to uniform rates like taxis or can they set their own rates.?

Do people really take Uber to go 4 or 5 blocks?

That's how Cruise Carts are used in Charlotte. You take them in a confined area, don't pay an upfront fare (paid for by the billboard on the golf cart) and you tip the driver when you get to your destination. It'll be interesting to see if the concept works in Toledo. Based on how everybody likes to f-up seemingly simple business ideas in Toledo, I can see it getting regulated and fined to death just to appease a powerful few.

posted by clt212 on Mar 09, 2017 at 05:37:02 pm     #  

Do know am going to be cranked off when pulling up to what looks like a parking place only to find some a-hole in go to hell pants (silly golfing pants which if you don't like 'em you can just go to hell) has the spot taken with his toy which can't be seen hiding behind the legitimate vehicles. Might put on one of those black push bars like the cops have and shove it outa the way. Historical note: in the late sixties a noted manufacturing name was killed riding his lawn mower drunk at night in Sylvania. We should run a pool to see who gets creamed first.

posted by Mariner on Mar 10, 2017 at 06:22:33 am     #  

As an Uber driver, I can tell you......yes people take Uber rides 4-5 blocks, for certain. Sometimes even less. It doesnt really bother me to do it, as long as its quick pickup and drop off....and a tip (which doesnt really happen with trips like these).

For whatever reason, Adams St trips (pick ups at Wesleys and especially The Attic) seem to yield quite a bit of douchebaggery. Unfortunately, many of the pickups also include a drop off in the nearby OWE.

I dont really care about golf carts. Youll see. The overall impact will be far less than what you think. From the perspective of an Uber driver.....I REALLY dont care. It wont affect me all that much at all.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Mar 10, 2017 at 09:19:29 am     #  

Ha! I would love to hear more about the douchebaggery!

posted by upso on Mar 10, 2017 at 09:50:42 am     #  

Well there's this one guy with black framed glasses and a moustache who is always talking about food...

posted by Johio83 on Mar 10, 2017 at 09:55:58 am     #   3 people liked this

Pick up at The Attic....guy in full hipster douchebag uniform "steals" a ride from someone else (yes, I was to blame for breaking protocol). Tells me that the drop off is at....wait for it.....OWE. Also, made me wait for his friends to load up on the car. On the way to his house, Im figuring out that he's hijacked someone elses trip. So upon drop off, Im like "hey jack, you owe me some money". His buddy sez to him "no, fuck him". Then Im like "No, FUCK YOU, gimme $5". After I dropped him and his crew off in the OWE, one of his other friends jumps in the car and wants me to take him back downtown. Im like....get the fuck outta here.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Mar 10, 2017 at 10:16:05 am     #  

*load up IN the car

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Mar 10, 2017 at 10:16:46 am     #  

Ugh that deserves some public shaming!

posted by upso on Mar 10, 2017 at 01:17:12 pm     #   1 person liked this

I am guilty of taking Uber from downtown/uptown bars for 1/2 to 1 mile to my place downtown but I always tip the driver and figure he won't mind since he'll be able to get another downtown anyway and he's making more off my minimum fare and getting a tip than taking someone to the burbs who would tip him if he can't get another ping for a pick up in that area after dropping them off.

I know a lot of Toledoian's are stingy when it comes to tipping Uber drivers. I don't get it, people tip cab drivers for usually higher rates and they don't have the wait for an Uber that they do for a cab. Especially if it's to Detroit where they can't pick up another passenger, there is no excuse not to tip.

I know some local Uber drivers will rate appropriately if a passenger doesn't tip and some will only accept pings and/or airport/out-of-area trips on higher rated passengers.

posted by jamesteroh on Mar 10, 2017 at 04:59:18 pm     #  

What's a fair Uber tip?

posted by ahmahler on Mar 10, 2017 at 07:21:57 pm     #  

I think a fair tip is what you would tip a cab driver for a similar trip. Unlike a cab driver the Uber driver is using his/her own car and is paying both his and the employers share of FICA taxes since it's 1099 income. Usually Uber is cheaper than a cab and you normally get picked up faster in Toledo and have a cleaner/nicer car so I don't mind tipping the uber driver the same I would a cab

posted by jamesteroh on Mar 10, 2017 at 09:07:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

A little confused...I'm seeing some articles stating that golf carts will be legal in "April" without stating a year. Some of the older articles said 2018. Anyone know if it's this year or next year they will become legal?

posted by ckbeats21 on Mar 20, 2017 at 07:54:53 am     #  

How I understand it, is that it will be next year. Basically, its been approved, now they have to come up with the implementation/guidelines/exact location etc. They also have to approve every golf cart and test them, issue license etc.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Mar 20, 2017 at 08:34:32 am     #  

ahmahler posted at 08:21:57 PM on Mar 10, 2017:

What's a fair Uber tip?

situational but Id say......usually couple bucks is customary for short trips. Long trips should be more. Trips to DTW should definitely compensate driver for trip back to Ohio (Uber drivers cant pick up in Michigan)

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Mar 20, 2017 at 09:01:52 am     #  

I have been taking uber for years and have never tipped. I've also been in many group / work trips (in larger cities) and have never observed others tipping.

posted by upso on Mar 20, 2017 at 09:39:52 am     #   1 person liked this

I'm not opposed to it... but the whole notion of uber is that it's a cashless process.

posted by upso on Mar 20, 2017 at 09:40:39 am     #   1 person liked this

Toledo's golf cart ordinance begins on April 1, 2017, two Saturdays from now.

Whether an actual business will be ready to operate this spring is a different matter.

Toledo's golf cart ordinance is considered a pilot program that's set to expire on December 31, 2018.

The pilot program will permit golf carts in three areas: Point Place, Old West End, and Downtown.

Toledo government will use "data" collected in 2017 and 2018 to determine whether the program should be expanded and made permanent.

That's according to Toledo City Council documentation.

At this page:

http://toledo.oh.gov/government/city-council

you will see a link to city council's Google Drive account.

Choose the folder for Legislation 2017

Then choose Enacted Legislation

Scroll to the bottom and choose 100o.docx.

I'll excerpt with my emphasis added. Note the part about the "designated areas". That's a mistake.

ORD. 483-16 / 100-17

Establishing a Pilot Program permitting the use of golf carts and low speed vehicles on public streets within designated areas of the City of Toledo; and declaring an emergency.

There have been three designated areas within the City of Toledo that the Pilot Program will operate. One area is located within the Point Place community, Old West End and the last area is located within the Old West End Community and the other area is located within the Old West End Community.

The Pilot Program is designed to run from April 1, 2017 through December 31, 2018. The data collected during the Pilot Program will be used to determine whether or not such a program could be expanded to additional neighborhoods throughout the city, and whether the program could be introduced permanently.


The March 9, 2017 Toledo Blade story said:

The vehicles can be operated April 1 through Dec. 31, 2018, in Point Place, the Old West End, the Warehouse District, downtown, a stretch that runs from the Old West End to the Toledo Museum of Art, and across the Martin Luther King, Jr., Bridge to International Park in East Toledo.


Back to the Toledo City Council document:

(a) Vehicles certified in compliance with this chapter may be operated on streets or roadways within the following boundaries:

(1) Point place pilot program

(2) Old West End Pilot Program

(3) Downtown Pilot Program

Within the city council document, a lengthy explanation is provided for each of the three locations that describe the boundaries.

More from the ordinance:

Duration.

(1) The Pilot Program will begin on Saturday, April 1, 2017.

(2) The Pilot Program will end on Monday, December 31, 2018.

Passed: March 7, 2017, as an emergency measure: yeas 9, nays 3.

posted by jr on Mar 20, 2017 at 09:48:26 am     #  

XBuckeye-what would you say is a fair tip to DTW from Downtown Toledo? I take Uber quite a bit on short hauls and always tip a few dollars but have never taken them to DTW. I normally use the Metrocar service that is at DTW and tip around $20 each way but I realize those guys are getting paid better than an Uber driver without using their own cars. Are you happy with a $25 tip or should it be a little more generous (I realize even with a $25 tip UBER is probably cheaper than Metro's base fare and I don't have to pay for parking).

Lyft has a tip option built in the App and I wish Uber would do the same. I always tip either Uber or Lyft drivers since they use their own car and they have taken a pay cut with the recent rate cuts. It's still cheaper than a cab and a hell of a lot more convenient.

posted by classylady on Mar 20, 2017 at 10:58:57 am     #  

Of course, Toledo's new ordinance also applies to personal or private golf cart ownership. It's not restricted only to businesses that plan to operate a taxi service.

Regarding Toledo's new golf cart ordinance, if you prefer HTML files over Word docs and PDF files, here's the HTML version.


Table of contents:


More excerpts:

All golf/low speed vehicles must be in accordance with ORC Chapter 4511 and ORC Chapter 4513.

Members in the community in designated areas have expressed an interest at being able to legally use and register Golf Carts and Low Speed Vehicles within the City of Toledo.

"Low-speed vehicle" means a three- or four-wheeled motor vehicle, including a vehicle commonly known as a golf cart, with an attainable speed in one mile on a paved level surface of more than twenty miles per hour but not more than twenty-five miles per hour and with a gross vehicle weight rating less than three thousand pounds.

No person shall operate a vehicle, as defined in this chapter, on the streets within the City of Toledo unless it has been inspected and approved by the Chief of Police or his designee or by another agent designated and approved by the State of Ohio, for compliance with the applicable safety/equipment requirements of the State of Ohio relative to such vehicles.

The owner or operator shall also show the Chief of Police or designee proof of liability insurance for the vehicle before a certificate of compliance is issued.

The owner or operator of any such vehicle shall be required to pay a fee in the amount of $25.00 to the City of Toledo through the City Police Department before the vehicle may be operated on the streets of the City of Toledo proposed boundaries.

The owner of a vehicle shall also comply with all requirements of Ohio law regarding proper title, registration and license plates prior to operating the vehicle on any street within the City of Toledo proposed boundaries.

No vehicle shall be permitted to travel on any city street where the speed limit is greater than 35 mph. These vehicles will be permitted to cross intersections with higher speeds, so long as they remain on a street that has a speed limit of 35mph or less. `

The operator of a vehicle must be at least 16 years of age and have a valid State of Ohio or non-resident state driver’s license.

Any child who is more than four (4) years of age and less than forty (40) pounds in weight but less than eight (8) years of age or less than four (4) feet, nine (9) inches in height must be properly secured in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions on a booster seat that meets federal motor vehicle safety standards.

Whoever violates this chapter is guilty of a minor misdemeanor on a first offense; on a second offense within one year after the first offense, the person is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree; and each subsequent offense within one year after the first offense, the person is guilty of a misdemeanor of the third degree.

That this Ordinance is declared to be an emergency measure and shall be in force and effect from and after its passage. The reason for the emergency lies in the fact that it is necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health, safety and property, and for the further reason that it is necessary that Toledo Municipal Code changes be made to allow golf carts and low-speed vehicles on public streets within designated areas beginning Saturday, April 1, 2017.

posted by jr on Mar 20, 2017 at 12:41:19 pm     #  

From Golf Cart Ordinance Nbr 3 as posted by JR

SECTION 2. That this Ordinance is declared to be an emergency measure and shall be in force and effect from and after its passage. The reason for the emergency lies in the fact that it is necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health, safety and property, and for the further reason that it is necessary that Toledo Municipal Code changes be made to allow golf carts and low-speed vehicles on public streets within designated areas beginning Saturday, April 1, 2017.

Vote on emergency clause: yeas 12, nays 0.

Passed: March 7, 2017, as an emergency measure: yeas 9, nays 3.

Attest:

Gerald E. Dendinger
Clerk of Council

Steven C. Steel
President of Council

Approved:

March 9, 2017
Paula Hicks-Hudson, Mayor

Just how in hell does PH2 and the rest of the gang even begin to think that this could ever be an emergency measure necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace? What's going to happen if this didn't pass? Would golfers stage a putt-in downtown and start protesting?

No one of sound mind and average (or better) intelligence could have come up with this. Does anyone know how this kind of thing goes from a drunken conversation at the local watering hole into actual legislation?

Are these people deranged?

posted by madjack on Mar 20, 2017 at 01:57:49 pm     #  

yes

posted by upso on Mar 20, 2017 at 03:09:00 pm     #  

Would golfers stage a putt-in downtown and start protesting?

This isn't for golfers. The neighborhoods with golf courses and houses living around them have not been included. This is for creating the right "party zone, whoo hoo" atmosphere in distinctly "party" areas.

Are these people deranged?

Yes. All of them. To varying degrees, ranging from a Yvonne level, to a Rob level.

posted by justread on Mar 20, 2017 at 03:21:17 pm     #   3 people liked this

Got me thinking the safety directors job was terminated all too abruptly and all too soon. They needed an adult in the room.

posted by Mariner on Mar 20, 2017 at 03:55:39 pm     #  

Ohhh... we need official golf carts now, with lights and sirens.
Whenever I think of capital s Safety, I think of Bob Reinbolt.

posted by justread on Mar 20, 2017 at 04:48:42 pm     #   1 person liked this

City council passes everything as an emergency to get around the law that requires 2 readings and meetings for a resolution. Get every thing done in one meeting cuts their work in half. Nothing like our lawmakers using a loophole to get around a law.

posted by OldTimer on Mar 20, 2017 at 05:49:25 pm     #  

If the text descriptions of the three golf cart areas were too verbose, the March 9, 2017 Blade article linked to a PDF file, which contains maps of the three areas. The maps were created by the Toledo-Lucas County Plan Commission.


Forthcoming taxi business:

419 SHUTTLE IS TOLEDOS FIRST AND ONLY GOLF CART TAXI SERVICE

COMING SPRING 2017!!!

From the website:

419shuttle is Toledo's first and only 100% FREE shuttle service covering all the greater Downtown Toledo area.

The idea for our services came to us when we realized the lack of reliable, fast, and FREE transportation options servicing the greater Downtown Toledo area.

Our drivers are here to please and love to serve! They'll take care of you so please take care of them. Please remember they work off tips only.

Along with our 100% free shuttle service, we will also be providing B2B deliveries around the downtown area. Need a shuttle to service your business? We can provide you and your company with a shuttle and driver to shuttle passengers and do deliveries for a flat weekly or monthly fee.

419shuttle will also be partnering up with your favorite local restaurants downtown for fast deliveries straight to your door, both residential and commercial.


The business owner is confident. Toledo City Council approved the ordinance on March 7, 2017. This is a March 3, 2017 post at the 419Shuttle Facebook page:

First of the carts are being completed!!!

posted by jr on Mar 20, 2017 at 06:05:58 pm     #  

Golf Carts crossing the Cherry Street Bridge should add an extra level of doom.

posted by Molsonator on Mar 20, 2017 at 07:33:19 pm     #   1 person liked this

I like that they will be doing food deliveries. It will be great if they will do food deliveries from Tom's BBQ and the fast food places in the Front/Main area to downtown.

There's been a few times I would have ordered home slice if they delivered downtown. Only problem is the times I want delivery is because I don't feel like going outside due to bad weather and I'm sure the golf carts won't be operating if it's raining out. Hopefully the restaurants won't charge a delivery fee. I have no issues tipping a golf cart driver a few dollars to deliver a home slice pizza.

posted by jamesteroh on Mar 20, 2017 at 08:44:14 pm     #  

jamesteroh posted at 09:44:14 PM on Mar 20, 2017:

I like that they will be doing food deliveries. It will be great if they will do food deliveries from Tom's BBQ and the fast food places in the Front/Main area to downtown.

There's been a few times I would have ordered home slice if they delivered downtown. Only problem is the times I want delivery is because I don't feel like going outside due to bad weather and I'm sure the golf carts won't be operating if it's raining out. Hopefully the restaurants won't charge a delivery fee. I have no issues tipping a golf cart driver a few dollars to deliver a home slice pizza.

Per the coverage map on 419shuttle.com, it covers front street/the docks. Adams and the museum are as far north as it goes (although not all of uptown is covered) and to San Marcos on Broadway.

posted by ckbeats21 on Mar 20, 2017 at 09:59:46 pm     #  

The "working for tips only" as a business model screams of tax evasion.

posted by nits on Mar 21, 2017 at 09:55:03 am     #   2 people liked this

I can see the food delivery being popular at lunch time for downtown office employees.

posted by classylady on Mar 21, 2017 at 03:44:46 pm     #  

Our drivers are here to please and love to serve! They'll take care of you so please take care of them.

Why do I feel like I've just walked in to Platinum Showgirls?

This is nuts. Excuse me while I get happy hour started.

posted by madjack on Mar 21, 2017 at 03:45:35 pm     #  

Geeze man, if you're worried about these guys evading taxes with their tips, don't set foot in a restaurant.

posted by Johio83 on Mar 21, 2017 at 03:45:40 pm     #  

Ok, I'm at work, so I'm not about to click on that link, but... "reservations?" Is that really a thing for a strip club?

posted by Johio83 on Mar 21, 2017 at 03:46:55 pm     #  

nits posted at 10:55:03 AM on Mar 21, 2017:

The "working for tips only" as a business model screams of tax evasion.

Tax evasion is going to be the very last thing on anyone's mind. How many fares, so to speak, do you think you'll get in an 8 hour shift? What kind of tips do you expect? Me, I'm thinking if you get a buck or two, you'll be doing good. My real expectation is that there won't be any tips - then what?

I'm kind of wondering how the taxi cab companies in Toledo are going to react to this. Business is bad enough, now they get city sponsored golf carts that cart people around for free?

posted by madjack on Mar 21, 2017 at 03:52:27 pm     #  

Toledo cab companies sure had me fooled if they are hurting for business downtown.

Prior to Uber and Lyft there were times the wait for a cab from uptown bars like Wesley's and Ottawa Tavern to the warehouse district was so absurd sometimes we would just walk back. There was one time we were told it would be up to a 40 minute wait for a cab and we were told by a bartender at the Ottawa Tavern that part of the reason was that cab drivers didn't want to take that short of a trip.

I haven't tried calling a cab since Uber and Lyft have been in Toledo. We usually have a car in a few minutes and the longest we have waited is ten minutes. With Uber we can wait inside and know how far away the nearest car is and can time finishing our drinks with paging a car.

From what I've been told the cab companies have improved due to Uber but they have no one but themselves to blame. They didn't want to provide decent service before Uber came to town so I don't feel obligated to give them my business now that they have competition.

I know a couple people that drive for Uber/Lyft and am told a lot of people are cheap with tips (I always tip at least as well with Uber as I do a cab since the driver is using their own car) and am hoping passengers aren't stingy with tips with the golf carts since they are working for tips only.

posted by classylady on Mar 21, 2017 at 09:29:40 pm     #   1 person liked this

So are these legal now? I have yet to see one.

posted by ckbeats21 on Apr 16, 2017 at 12:46:45 pm     #  

I'm looking forward to seeing them downtown since we like to drink in Uptown and sometimes take the bike taxis home.

I feel sorry for the bike taxis and Uber drivers who work downtown. Hopefully they don't get hurt too bad from it.

posted by classylady on Apr 17, 2017 at 09:03:00 am     #  

Getting stuck behind a cart while driving downtown is seriously changing my opinion on this legislation.

posted by upso on Jul 28, 2017 at 11:07:18 am     #  

When the legislation was approved weren't the cards suppose to operate on tips only? We saw a golf card last weekend that had prices posted based on distance. Granted it wasn't very much but I still thought they were to be tips only.

Are they now delivering food? We would love to have Poco Loco delivered sometimes but not sure how to go about it.

posted by classylady on Jul 28, 2017 at 04:15:38 pm     #  

upso posted at 12:07:18 PM on Jul 28, 2017:

Getting stuck behind a cart while driving downtown is seriously changing my opinion on this legislation.

This just changed my mind on the burros in the Gondola thread. :)

posted by justread on Jul 28, 2017 at 05:26:42 pm     #  

Lol!

posted by upso on Jul 28, 2017 at 07:29:39 pm     #