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Residents may see their blue toters being inspected by workers who will try to help people learn what is and is not permitted in curbside recycling. Teams will work through November to help educate the public by placing “Oops” notices on doors specifying what material was incorrectly recycled, or a card thanking residents for getting it right!

Mandatory possession of a blue recycle bin is not tacit permission for City of Toledo employees, contract employees to enter onto private property inspecting trash and disturbing the peace while committing criminal trespass. If these inspections are conducted while the container is placed in the public venue examination of the contents has been permitted by the courts. Intrusion onto backyards at any time cannot be tolerated and should be countered with the same response for any uninvited, unlawful intruder of an inhabited dwelling.

created by Mariner on Jun 28, 2017 at 07:05:31 am     Comments: 32

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interesting...I read an article on this in the Blade yesterday and went back to get the link to post it here and the article is gone. I can find a link to it by searching, but when I click on it, it says the article doesn't exist.

http://www.toledoblade.com/search?query=recycle

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/06/26/Toledo-s-recyclables-trashed-costing-taxpayers-more.html

Hopefully it's cached somewhere.

posted by JoeyGee on Jun 28, 2017 at 07:32:43 am     #  

I read this article yesterday. It still exists. The day of the month in this working article is the 27th. The one above that does not work contains the 26th.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/06/27/Toledo-s-recyclables-trashed-costing-taxpayers-more.html


If the city has the time to inspect the recycle containers that are mismanaged by knuckleheads, then what about the blight issue, addressed by this Jun 26, 2017 Blade editorial?

Blight became a hot topic three years ago at this time.

posted by jr on Jun 28, 2017 at 08:07:39 am     #   1 person liked this

I posted a link about this last July 4. Apparently the city decides to give a city officials kid a job as the trash police this time of year.

What happens if someone sorts their trash properly, places the bins outside at the curb and someone is out walking their dog and disposes of the dog waste they clean up in the wrong container? Why should the property owner be fined.

Or if you have a neighbor that you despise, what is from stopping the neighbor from putting household trash in the blue container hoping the neighbor gets fined?

If I were a homeowner that received a notice I would stop recycling and just throw everything in the regular trash container instead of risking a fine. I'm sure the next thing on their agenda is going to do what Cleveland does and fine people for not recycling.

Instead of wasting money on foolish things like this use the money to fix the damn roads.

posted by classylady on Jun 28, 2017 at 02:32:20 pm     #   7 people liked this

"If I were a homeowner that received a notice I would stop recycling and just throw everything in the regular trash container instead of risking a fine. " EXACTLY.

posted by MrsPhoenix on Jun 28, 2017 at 03:02:55 pm     #   4 people liked this

classylady posted at 02:32:20 PM on Jun 28, 2017:

I posted a link about this last July 4. Apparently the city decides to give a city officials kid a job as the trash police this time of year.

What happens if someone sorts their trash properly, places the bins outside at the curb and someone is out walking their dog and disposes of the dog waste they clean up in the wrong container? Why should the property owner be fined.

Or if you have a neighbor that you despise, what is from stopping the neighbor from putting household trash in the blue container hoping the neighbor gets fined?

If I were a homeowner that received a notice I would stop recycling and just throw everything in the regular trash container instead of risking a fine. I'm sure the next thing on their agenda is going to do what Cleveland does and fine people for not recycling.

Instead of wasting money on foolish things like this use the money to fix the damn roads.

Deep state, local edition.

Un-elected people proposing rules with the effect of law because they think its a good idea. Common sense be damned.

This is a demonstrably bad idea that should be voted on by City Council, at a minimum. At least someone elected (or a few someones) would be accountable.

I said it in a previous post in another thread: I do my best to separate recyclables (and took recyclables to centers for years prior to any city run "blue bin" program). Yes, believe it or not, people with conservative political views also care about the environment and not jamming our landfills with reusable material.

But fining me (or threatening to) because of "mistakes" in my bin....

F-*-C-K Y-O-U.

And the self-righteous green-Nazi horse you rode in on.

posted by oldhometown on Jun 28, 2017 at 04:33:15 pm     #   6 people liked this

If I still had curbside recycling and received a notice I would also stop recycling and just throw everything in the regular trash bin to risk a fine.

It sounds like this program is costing Toledo a lot more money than they are saving by not having things go in the landfill.

I no longer have curbside recycling since I live in a condo (and also feel like I'm being double taxed since my property taxes are to include trash removal and I have to pay for it again since the city requires us to have a dumpster since there are more than four units) and I just keep my recyclables in a bin and take them to Kroger when I go grocery shopping. Sounds like it would make sense for the city to scarp the curbside recycling and even if some people put recyclables in the trash it would be a lot cheaper to deal with the landfill dumping fees than pay republic to send around a second truck and pay people to go through the bins and write tickets and go through the stuff at the landfill, but again no one ever said the top floor of One Government Center has common sense

posted by jamesteroh on Jun 28, 2017 at 04:46:20 pm     #   3 people liked this

Two reasons:

1. Union jobs

2. City thinks it will cause those of us who bother to recycle (like OHT, we took all of our recycling to the Kroger recycling dumpsters for years) "feel good" about ourselves.

I've long wondered if the recycle trucks simply dumped their load at Hoffman.

posted by Foodie on Jun 28, 2017 at 04:54:35 pm     #   3 people liked this

The trash tax sucks and inspectors should not be going past people's front yards. I assume they are only looking in curbside bins on pickup days.

That being said, how hard is it for people to learn what's recyclable? When 40% of loads are being dumped due to contamination, that says a lot about the general populace and it's not very flattering. Can the city do a better job of informing people about what's recyclable? In the previous thread, I suggested simply updating the labels on the bin lids. Put out new labels with pictures and names of what is and what isn't allowed. The label on the bin I got when the program started is outdated. I think that would be more effective and generate more goodwill for the populace. Have the inspectors go around and put them on everybody's.

posted by mixman on Jun 28, 2017 at 06:55:23 pm     #   2 people liked this

Is keeping the recycling really about union jobs anymore? We outsource the trash pickup (to an out of town/out of state contractor no less).

I think the people that would recycle would just go to Kroger anyway. The smart thing for the city to do would be to set up more recycling stations around the city and just get rid of curbside pick up. It has to be cheaper to lease dumpsters and space at a few locations than pay for curbside pickup and those blue bins

posted by jamesteroh on Jun 28, 2017 at 07:16:43 pm     #  

Honestly, I was relieved to see that the city was going to follow up with chronic offenders of using the recycling bins for anything but recyclables.

I know someone who uses the blue bin for everything BUT recycling. It serves as a diaper disposal, something to fill up when they clean out their garage, or any number of random things.

Yet all of their actual recyclables go in the regular trash.

I had to help put their trash out when they were out of town once and was really surprised to see how they used the blue bin.

And it even had a sticker on the lid showing exactly what could/should go in it.

I tried to delicately bring it up to them, but their excuse was "the city takes it & no one says anything, so it must be fine." :/

They are exactly the ones that the inspector should be targeting.

posted by mom2 on Jun 28, 2017 at 10:40:41 pm     #   6 people liked this

I wonder if everybody isn't really that stupid, and this is a protest against the illegal trash tax and the reduction in weekly capacity.

I think we should all send them notices informing them of the proper way to dispose of the sewage they charge us so handsomely to dump in our streams.

I do appreciate the fact that the Republic trucks are getting to the age that they dump one hell of a lot of hydraulic fluid all over our streets, which, when combined with the loose stones on the road is just like "chip and seal," a way of spray painting a gravel road with tar to make it seem kind of paved, at least until the potholes reappear in a few weeks.

posted by justread on Jun 29, 2017 at 06:13:58 am     #   5 people liked this

Anybody notice the "Teamsters Local 20" patch on the arm of one of the trash inspectors in the The Blade photo?

posted by justread on Jun 30, 2017 at 11:31:18 am     #   2 people liked this

See my post above...............

Union Jobs.......

posted by Foodie on Jun 30, 2017 at 11:56:18 am     #   2 people liked this

I've seen recycling cans around town (UT, TBG) which are sized to only accept plastic bottles and drink cans. Maybe the city should go in that direction -- just recycle the easy, no-brainer stuff and not try to make money off of newspaper, kitchen cans, glass etc. I'm sure the economics of recycling have changed over the last few years. We might be paying Republic to do something that's not economically viable anymore.

The older folks in my neighborhood aren't very sophisticated about what should be recycled -- they still live in the "tie newspapers up in plastic bags" era. That WAS a valid method, 25 years ago.

My 2 cents.

posted by viola on Jul 23, 2017 at 09:07:02 pm     #  

The scene in The Godfather II. Young Vito kills the black hand and breaks apart the gun on the roof. Deposits the gun parts in various chimneys. My weirdo across the street neighbor does that with his trash and recyclables. Who knows what ends up in our cans. I know when I get home from work, there is new trash and recyclables in our cans. My nextdoor neighbor has even dumped the new trash on weirdos steps. It gets picked up at some point and ends up in our cans the next week. He's not doing anything ilegal. He's just a big F'in weirdo. We hope to get a "violation" from the city just to point them at weirdo. Sorry. End rant.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Jul 24, 2017 at 12:55:27 am     #  

mom2 posted at 10:40:41 PM on Jun 28, 2017:

Honestly, I was relieved to see that the city was going to follow up with chronic offenders of using the recycling bins for anything but recyclables.

I know someone who uses the blue bin for everything BUT recycling. It serves as a diaper disposal, something to fill up when they clean out their garage, or any number of random things.

Yet all of their actual recyclables go in the regular trash.

I had to help put their trash out when they were out of town once and was really surprised to see how they used the blue bin.

And it even had a sticker on the lid showing exactly what could/should go in it.

I tried to delicately bring it up to them, but their excuse was "the city takes it & no one says anything, so it must be fine." :/

They are exactly the ones that the inspector should be targeting.

I happened to be visiting that house over the weekend, and noticed that they have thrown away several area rugs in their recycling bin. (The ends were protruding out of the lid, so it was obviously visible from the driveway.)

Apparently the inspector hasn't made it over to their neighborhood yet.

posted by mom2 on Jul 24, 2017 at 05:48:19 am     #  

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posted by reggie on Aug 02, 2017 at 05:47:06 am     #   1 person liked this

Reggie, does it bother you that the government is going through your garbage?

posted by MemyselfandI on Aug 03, 2017 at 06:26:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

I don't have city trash pickup but it would both me if someone was going through my garbage. I hope that people are using common sense and shredding anything confidential. It bothers me as a taxpayer we are paying people to not only go through garbage but to put tags on doors informing people they aren't in violation. If I had curbside pickup I think I would just take my cans to Kroger or another recycling center and dump everything in the green can and be done with it.

posted by classylady on Aug 03, 2017 at 11:21:27 pm     #  

Please add that you would vote in the coming primary and election from an informed and concerned fashion. This crap has to stop.

posted by Mariner on Aug 04, 2017 at 08:11:36 am     #  

I am assuming the tag reggie received simply meant that the items he DID put in the recycling container were acceptable.

Not that they went through all his trash looking for things that SHOULD have been recycled.

Yikes, who knows.

posted by foodie88 on Aug 04, 2017 at 09:02:43 am     #  

I received a notice over one year ago now that the city tree in my front yard was scheduled for "priority trimming" after I called to report that it was overgrown. My tree still hasn't been trimmed. If they have all these extra people available maybe one of them can come trim my tree _

posted by oriontank on Aug 04, 2017 at 09:21:05 am     #  

Don't count on it. We moved into our home in 1989. My neighbor two doors down has a GIANT maple in the berm between sidewalk and street - you know - the "city's tree".
It has uprooted the sidewalk over the years to the point of being a terrible trip hazard. That neighbor told me when we moved in the city had it "on the list" for priority trimming/possible removal.
Still waiting - since 1989. What did the city do? About a year ago, they sent out a three man crew to wedge hot patch blacktop into the sidewalk cracks/upheaval caused by the tree roots.
This is the kind of crap that confirms our local gumt officials and likely too much of the hired help is too stupid to find their own ass with both hands.

posted by Foodie on Aug 04, 2017 at 10:24:39 am     #  

That's not how we do it in Toledo. We leave the dangerous trees in place until we come through and replace the sidewalks. When we replace the sidewalks, we cut the roots. That way, more people can be killed by the falling tree.

posted by justread on Aug 04, 2017 at 10:33:05 am     #   1 person liked this

At least some of you actually have sidewalks. I live near Talmadge/Alexis/Westwood Park and we don't have sidewalks or curbs. The city tree between my property and the neighbor's has been on the trim list since 1992 when we moved here, and it ruined our driveway a long time ago. It's so big it really needs to be cut down. If it falls, it surely will kill someone.

posted by MsUnderstood on Aug 04, 2017 at 10:38:28 am     #  

Fun flashback about sidewalks and trees..

http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/149932/Not_a_good_day_on_Cherrylawn

posted by SensorG on Aug 04, 2017 at 10:48:11 am     #  

MemyselfandI posted at 06:26:04 PM on Aug 03, 2017:

Reggie, does it bother you that the government is going through your garbage?

Don't mind. I have nothing to hide. Besides, I'm all for creating new jobs.

posted by reggie on Aug 05, 2017 at 05:59:50 am     #  

Perfect little socialist.

posted by justread on Aug 05, 2017 at 06:07:23 am     #   2 people liked this

Maybe we could use a highlighter on that line item expenditure for the coming state audit. Am sure its not legit to know the composition of those temp workers but it sure smells fishy from this transom.

posted by Mariner on Aug 05, 2017 at 06:30:22 am     #  

"I have nothing to hide."

I assume that you are joking. Good one.

But just in case, I'll quote a wise man:

"When you say I don't care about the right to privacy because I have nothing to hide, that is no different than saying I don't care about freedom of speech because I have nothing to say or freedom of the press because I have nothing to write." - Edward Snowden

posted by jr on Aug 05, 2017 at 09:02:50 am     #   4 people liked this

I quit recycling after the city began illegally charging a fee for garbage collection. All Toledo residents should do such.

Most years I've used the blue can to collect rain water.

I've often considered tossing my garbage near or at One Govt Center, but there probably are too many cameras to avoid being cited.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 05, 2017 at 11:28:09 am     #   1 person liked this

I thought about putting mine on Carty's lawn once. It made perfect sense at the time. I can't remember why.

posted by justread on Aug 07, 2017 at 05:28:58 am     #