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Residents may see their blue toters being inspected by workers who will try to help people learn what is and is not permitted in curbside recycling. Teams will work through November to help educate the public by placing “Oops” notices on doors specifying what material was incorrectly recycled, or a card thanking residents for getting it right!

Mandatory possession of a blue recycle bin is not tacit permission for City of Toledo employees, contract employees to enter onto private property inspecting trash and disturbing the peace while committing criminal trespass. If these inspections are conducted while the container is placed in the public venue examination of the contents has been permitted by the courts. Intrusion onto backyards at any time cannot be tolerated and should be countered with the same response for any uninvited, unlawful intruder of an inhabited dwelling.

created by Mariner on Jun 28, 2017 at 07:05:31 am     Comments: 13

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interesting...I read an article on this in the Blade yesterday and went back to get the link to post it here and the article is gone. I can find a link to it by searching, but when I click on it, it says the article doesn't exist.

http://www.toledoblade.com/search?query=recycle

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/06/26/Toledo-s-recyclables-trashed-costing-taxpayers-more.html

Hopefully it's cached somewhere.

posted by JoeyGee on Jun 28, 2017 at 07:32:43 am     #  

I read this article yesterday. It still exists. The day of the month in this working article is the 27th. The one above that does not work contains the 26th.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/06/27/Toledo-s-recyclables-trashed-costing-taxpayers-more.html


If the city has the time to inspect the recycle containers that are mismanaged by knuckleheads, then what about the blight issue, addressed by this Jun 26, 2017 Blade editorial?

Blight became a hot topic three years ago at this time.

posted by jr on Jun 28, 2017 at 08:07:39 am     #   1 person liked this

I posted a link about this last July 4. Apparently the city decides to give a city officials kid a job as the trash police this time of year.

What happens if someone sorts their trash properly, places the bins outside at the curb and someone is out walking their dog and disposes of the dog waste they clean up in the wrong container? Why should the property owner be fined.

Or if you have a neighbor that you despise, what is from stopping the neighbor from putting household trash in the blue container hoping the neighbor gets fined?

If I were a homeowner that received a notice I would stop recycling and just throw everything in the regular trash container instead of risking a fine. I'm sure the next thing on their agenda is going to do what Cleveland does and fine people for not recycling.

Instead of wasting money on foolish things like this use the money to fix the damn roads.

posted by classylady on Jun 28, 2017 at 02:32:20 pm     #   7 people liked this

"If I were a homeowner that received a notice I would stop recycling and just throw everything in the regular trash container instead of risking a fine. " EXACTLY.

posted by MrsPhoenix on Jun 28, 2017 at 03:02:55 pm     #   4 people liked this

classylady posted at 02:32:20 PM on Jun 28, 2017:

I posted a link about this last July 4. Apparently the city decides to give a city officials kid a job as the trash police this time of year.

What happens if someone sorts their trash properly, places the bins outside at the curb and someone is out walking their dog and disposes of the dog waste they clean up in the wrong container? Why should the property owner be fined.

Or if you have a neighbor that you despise, what is from stopping the neighbor from putting household trash in the blue container hoping the neighbor gets fined?

If I were a homeowner that received a notice I would stop recycling and just throw everything in the regular trash container instead of risking a fine. I'm sure the next thing on their agenda is going to do what Cleveland does and fine people for not recycling.

Instead of wasting money on foolish things like this use the money to fix the damn roads.

Deep state, local edition.

Un-elected people proposing rules with the effect of law because they think its a good idea. Common sense be damned.

This is a demonstrably bad idea that should be voted on by City Council, at a minimum. At least someone elected (or a few someones) would be accountable.

I said it in a previous post in another thread: I do my best to separate recyclables (and took recyclables to centers for years prior to any city run "blue bin" program). Yes, believe it or not, people with conservative political views also care about the environment and not jamming our landfills with reusable material.

But fining me (or threatening to) because of "mistakes" in my bin....

F-*-C-K Y-O-U.

And the self-righteous green-Nazi horse you rode in on.

posted by oldhometown on Jun 28, 2017 at 04:33:15 pm     #   6 people liked this

If I still had curbside recycling and received a notice I would also stop recycling and just throw everything in the regular trash bin to risk a fine.

It sounds like this program is costing Toledo a lot more money than they are saving by not having things go in the landfill.

I no longer have curbside recycling since I live in a condo (and also feel like I'm being double taxed since my property taxes are to include trash removal and I have to pay for it again since the city requires us to have a dumpster since there are more than four units) and I just keep my recyclables in a bin and take them to Kroger when I go grocery shopping. Sounds like it would make sense for the city to scarp the curbside recycling and even if some people put recyclables in the trash it would be a lot cheaper to deal with the landfill dumping fees than pay republic to send around a second truck and pay people to go through the bins and write tickets and go through the stuff at the landfill, but again no one ever said the top floor of One Government Center has common sense

posted by jamesteroh on Jun 28, 2017 at 04:46:20 pm     #   3 people liked this

Two reasons:

1. Union jobs

2. City thinks it will cause those of us who bother to recycle (like OHT, we took all of our recycling to the Kroger recycling dumpsters for years) "feel good" about ourselves.

I've long wondered if the recycle trucks simply dumped their load at Hoffman.

posted by Foodie on Jun 28, 2017 at 04:54:35 pm     #   3 people liked this

The trash tax sucks and inspectors should not be going past people's front yards. I assume they are only looking in curbside bins on pickup days.

That being said, how hard is it for people to learn what's recyclable? When 40% of loads are being dumped due to contamination, that says a lot about the general populace and it's not very flattering. Can the city do a better job of informing people about what's recyclable? In the previous thread, I suggested simply updating the labels on the bin lids. Put out new labels with pictures and names of what is and what isn't allowed. The label on the bin I got when the program started is outdated. I think that would be more effective and generate more goodwill for the populace. Have the inspectors go around and put them on everybody's.

posted by mixman on Jun 28, 2017 at 06:55:23 pm     #   2 people liked this

Is keeping the recycling really about union jobs anymore? We outsource the trash pickup (to an out of town/out of state contractor no less).

I think the people that would recycle would just go to Kroger anyway. The smart thing for the city to do would be to set up more recycling stations around the city and just get rid of curbside pick up. It has to be cheaper to lease dumpsters and space at a few locations than pay for curbside pickup and those blue bins

posted by jamesteroh on Jun 28, 2017 at 07:16:43 pm     #  

Honestly, I was relieved to see that the city was going to follow up with chronic offenders of using the recycling bins for anything but recyclables.

I know someone who uses the blue bin for everything BUT recycling. It serves as a diaper disposal, something to fill up when they clean out their garage, or any number of random things.

Yet all of their actual recyclables go in the regular trash.

I had to help put their trash out when they were out of town once and was really surprised to see how they used the blue bin.

And it even had a sticker on the lid showing exactly what could/should go in it.

I tried to delicately bring it up to them, but their excuse was "the city takes it & no one says anything, so it must be fine." :/

They are exactly the ones that the inspector should be targeting.

posted by mom2 on Jun 28, 2017 at 10:40:41 pm     #   6 people liked this

I wonder if everybody isn't really that stupid, and this is a protest against the illegal trash tax and the reduction in weekly capacity.

I think we should all send them notices informing them of the proper way to dispose of the sewage they charge us so handsomely to dump in our streams.

I do appreciate the fact that the Republic trucks are getting to the age that they dump one hell of a lot of hydraulic fluid all over our streets, which, when combined with the loose stones on the road is just like "chip and seal," a way of spray painting a gravel road with tar to make it seem kind of paved, at least until the potholes reappear in a few weeks.

posted by justread on Jun 29, 2017 at 06:13:58 am     #   5 people liked this

Anybody notice the "Teamsters Local 20" patch on the arm of one of the trash inspectors in the The Blade photo?

posted by justread on Jun 30, 2017 at 11:31:18 am     #   2 people liked this

See my post above...............

Union Jobs.......

posted by Foodie on Jun 30, 2017 at 11:56:18 am     #   2 people liked this