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Looks like Toledo and lake Erie's green slime problem is making the national news. http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/ap/2017/09/22/Algae_on_river_flowing_into_Lake_Erie_prompts_warning.html

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Toledo is celebrating Half-way to St. Patrick's Day.

posted by jr on Sep 22, 2017 at 12:17:53 pm     #  

They wrote that article as if we swim in that river. We don't. The city keeps it full of poo.

posted by justread on Sep 22, 2017 at 01:16:31 pm     #  

Maybe Mike Ferner should go to the bathroom in the fountain at One Government Center?

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/09/22/Activist-dumps-algae-infested-water-dead-fish-into-downtown-fountain.html

How is he not a terrorist?

posted by justread on Sep 22, 2017 at 01:45:15 pm     #   2 people liked this

Or a big green welcome to Promedica downtown?

posted by trixanne on Sep 22, 2017 at 07:11:42 pm     #   2 people liked this

did they cancel the rowing regatta on the river today ?

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on Sep 23, 2017 at 10:14:18 am     #  

Nope

posted by upso on Sep 23, 2017 at 10:21:04 am     #  

Here in 2006 him and his brother John vandalized the overpass of 475 - http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2006/08/05/Ferner-gets-house-arrest-probation-for-vandalism.html Old hippies fighting a losing battle.

posted by Nyse on Sep 23, 2017 at 01:39:17 pm     #  

Here in 2006 him and his brother John vandalized the overpass of 475 - http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2006/08/05/Ferner-gets-house-arrest-probation-for-vandalism.html Old hippies fighting a losing battle.

posted by Nyse on Sep 23, 2017 at 01:39:18 pm     #  

someone had to ....

posted by justareviewer on Sep 23, 2017 at 03:40:29 pm     #   6 people liked this

ignore that second link, it's from a few days ago :D

posted by upso on Sep 26, 2017 at 02:59:10 pm     #  

that is not leadership PHH... if we need new infrastructure then have the courage to go forward and do it but chosing to try to put it off for 16 months and wait until after an election ... and in the meantime it becomes a crisis and a national story ... that is the mayors fault and that is not leadership.

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on Sep 26, 2017 at 03:40:53 pm     #   4 people liked this

I assume you guys have NOT been drinking the water. If you have, stop.

posted by justread on Sep 27, 2017 at 02:44:54 pm     #  

PH2 is finally admitting it's impaired. Should have done that a long time ago:
http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/09/26/ayor-Paula-Hicks-Hudson.html

Boyfriend and I walked to Oliver House for dinner last night and when we crossed the bridge on Washington at Summit the site wasn't pretty at all, nor was the stench.

We're still drinking the city water but stocking up on bottled water this weekend after the experience last night

posted by classylady on Sep 27, 2017 at 03:06:03 pm     #  

Rain and a change in wind direction will empty the algae from the river. It doesn't grow in the river. It grows on the bottom of the lake and then releases to the surface where it floats. It blew in from the lake. A week or two of cooler weather and algae season will be over for 2017.

posted by justread on Sep 27, 2017 at 03:19:09 pm     #   5 people liked this

Over for 2017 but not for the gales of election November remember.

posted by Mariner on Sep 27, 2017 at 03:55:32 pm     #  

due to some #fakenews rumors going around, everyone is scrambling to the grocery store to buy bottled water, even though it's currently safe. wife just got back from meijers and claims people were leaving with multiple carts full of water.

posted by upso on Sep 27, 2017 at 04:12:07 pm     #  

Can confirm, it was crazy there. I grabbed a couple of 5 gallon jugs of spring water. I’ll use it for mead in the week or two if we don’t need it for cooking.

posted by SensorG on Sep 27, 2017 at 04:28:26 pm     #  

"It blew in from the lake."

Really? My wife informed me of the green wave early last week, since she works in the glass building with the missing tooth. I cannot remember building names.

Anyway, I too wondered if it moved in from Lake Erie, since the winds were from the east quadrant early last week, but downtown is quite a ways from the bay, and the winds were light. It didn't seem possible that it got blown in from Lake Erie.

My rain gauge measured 1.40 inches of rainfall on Tue, Sep 19, 2017. Maybe the combo of timing, heavy rainfall, runoff, six consecutive days with temps in the 90s, and mostly light winds helped the bloom to form on the Maumee River.

The river current is slow in that area. At times, the Maumee River downtown seems more like a reservoir or a lake than a river.

The photo that I saw early last week showed only a small amount of the algae bloom compared to what existed early this week. I think that's downtown growth and not a migration from Lake Erie.

Maybe something from the Swan Creek watershed ignited the downtown bloom.


"It grows on the bottom of the lake and then releases to the surface where it floats."

I'm unsure if you are talking about the algae or microcystin or both.

Microcystin exists in the Maumee River. Bowling Green sources its drinking water from the Maumee River, and BG has to test and account for microcystin levels in the summer and fall.

Jul 28, 2015 WTOL story

... the microcystin level in Bowling Green's raw water supply was reported as three times that of the Toledo water intake. That is 0.4 parts per billion for Toledo and 1.3 parts per billion for BG.

According to Utilities Director Brian O'Connell, this is not an immediate red flag. He says the level in Bowling Green at this time, and even higher numbers they've had in the past, should not cause concern.

"Regardless of what level the algae has been detected at, we've always had a "non-detect" for the microcystin toxin in our finished water that goes to the customers," said O'Connell.

Last year Bowling Green was not part of the crisis, as they get their water from an intake in the Maumee River.


"due to some #fakenews rumors going around, everyone is scrambling to the grocery store to buy bottled water"

Interesting. Pollution has fouled our rivers and lake, and one solution is to buy copious amounts of plastic bottled water that arguably is bad for the environment.

Well done, humans.

Here is one advantage of buying too many branded growlers at too many breweries: we have numerous glass containers that can be filled with filtered tap water when the water is fine.

The bottled water junkies could try visiting the City of Toledo website to view the water quality dashboard.

Or the social media mob could try following the City of Toledo Facebook and Twitter feeds, assuming that being factually informed matters.

Current dashboard shows things in the "clear."


Ryan Wichman's Twitter feed contains recent photos of the algae bloom on the Maumee River and Lake Erie.


By Toledo Aerial Media:

https://roundme.com/tour/200123/view/536203


West Sister Island

posted by jr on Sep 27, 2017 at 05:01:19 pm     #  

The photo that I saw early last week showed only a small amount of the algae bloom compared to what existed early this week. I think that's downtown growth and not a migration from Lake Erie.

I see your point.
Being a boater physically on it every year, and hearing from other boaters it was a lake thing, and that the current disrupted the cycle, or, took it to the lake, I never thought it formed in the river. But there it is. Maybe all the Swan Creek sewage. I know there is an outflow right at Promenade Park.

posted by justread on Sep 27, 2017 at 05:42:08 pm     #  

This comment focuses on everyone's favorite subject: urban sewage overflows that occur mainly around heavy rainfalls.

Again, view Toledo Aerial Media's 360-degree view of the downtown bloom found at this link.

Does the algae bloom exist in the Maumee River upstream of where Swan Creek enters?

"Maybe all the Swan Creek sewage. I know there is an outflow right at Promenade Park."

I recorded 0.32 inches of rainfall on Mon, Sep 18, and 1.40 inches of rainfall on Tue, Sep 19.

Most of Tuesday's rain fell during about a 90-minute period, mid-morning. It poured hard at times. I encountered some minor street flooding.

Tuesday's rainfall was not localized. It occurred over a decent-sized area, I think. Toledo Express Airport recorded 1.65 inches of rainfall on Tue, Sep 19.

The combined sewer overflow (CSO) data for Sep 18 and 19, 2017 can be found at this website. I've listed the data below.

http://www.toledowaterwaysinitiative.com/tech-data

From the above website:

Combined sewer overflows (CSOs) occur when storm water mixed with sewage overflows into the Maumee River, Ottawa River and Swan Creek.

This section includes a map showing the location of the CSO outfalls and monthly charts going back to July 2004 listing the dates of CSO overflows, their location and their duration.

It seems odd that some high numbers were recorded for Sep 18 when it didn't rain much, and it didn't rain on Sep 17. Maybe the Sep 18 rainfall was more localized with heavy rain occurring over scattered areas around Toledo. We would need radar data for Sep 18-19.

Since June 1, the biggest sewer overflows seem to have occurred across Jun 22-23, but the Sep 18-19 period might be among the worst periods, since June 1.

The CSO location numbers can be found on maps at the above website.

Outflows 68, 43, 26, 7, and 6 are located along or near the Maumee River in downtown.

The outflow labeled "CSO #6 Main" had some issues both days last week, and it's located, I think, on the east side of the Maumee River, near the MLK bridge.

And if I understand the data below correctly, "CSO #6 Main" dumped a slurry of sewage and storm water into the Maumee River for a combined 9.3 hours across Sep 18-19, 2017.

Combined Sewer Overflow:

Mon, Sep 18

09/18/2017, CSO #68 , CSO Tunnel 1&2, 114 minutes
09/18/2017, CSO #62 , Windemere, 170 minutes
09/18/2017, CSO #61 , Lagrange, 208 minutes
09/18/2017, CSO #31 , Bostwick, 7 minutes
09/18/2017, CSO #29 , Adams, 4 minutes
09/18/2017, CSO #28 , Jackson, 7 minutes
09/18/2017, CSO #27 , Locust, 9 minutes
09/18/2017, CSO #26 , Magnolia, 122 minutes
09/18/2017, CSO #8 , Fasset, 22 minutes
09/18/2017, CSO #7 , Nevada, 137 minutes
09/18/2017, CSO #6 , Main, 291 minutes

Tue, Sep 19

09/19/2017, CSO #68 , CSO Tunnel 1&2, 234 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #62 , Windemere, 200 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #61 , Lagrange, 243 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #47 , Junction, 31 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #45 , Ewing, 7 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #43 , Hamilton-CSO 3,4,& 5, 185 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #42 , Erie, 11 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #31 , Bostwick, 32 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #30 , Jefferson, 24 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #29 , Adams, 56 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #28 , Jackson, 62 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #27 , Locust, 22 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #26 , Magnolia, 125 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #8 , Fasset, 28 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #7 , Nevada, 210 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #6 , Main, 269 minutes
09/19/2017, CSO #4 , Paine, 28 minutes


CSO overflow locations:


If the city wants to take legal action against the biggest offenders that have contributed to the algae blooms, then the city might need to look at itself.

Aug 1, 2015 Blade story

Councilman Lindsay Webb, chairman of council’s public utilities committee, said urban sewage overflows need to be controlled better.

“The city cannot point fingers at the farming community unless we clean up our side of the street.”

That's a sensible statement from a local politician.

posted by jr on Sep 27, 2017 at 08:04:45 pm     #   1 person liked this

Why buy water now? Wait until it our H2O is undrinkable and then get it free when they start handing it out like last time. Save your money folks.

posted by ThePhysician on Sep 28, 2017 at 02:46:13 am     #  

jr: in regard to the big discharge on Sept 18-19... I was roaming around the river downtown the weekend of September 16 and 17, both days. There was a noticeable amount of algae in the river that weekend, especially north of downtown, but nothing like this week. However, the 16/17th there was a massive amount in the Cullen Park basin. Less than two weeks later, downtown is bad.

There was almost no visible bloom southwest of downtown the weekend of the 16/17, with a huge group of boaters actually standing in the water at the sandbar near Rossford/Perrysburg on Sunday around lunch.

You have me thinking these are all individual bloom events now. Looking at the 9/26 photo, boating season is over in Toledo for me. :(
Looks like the Detroit river is ok. Anything north of Bolles Harbor.

posted by justread on Sep 28, 2017 at 05:12:57 am     #  

Walking on Pinkley Path on the 21st - I could barely stand the smell from the water treatment plant near Detwiler. I have walked that path 100 + times and never smelled that stench like that.

posted by Molsonator on Sep 28, 2017 at 05:48:26 am     #  

"I was roaming around the river downtown the weekend of September 16 and 17, both days. There was a noticeable amount of algae in the river that weekend, especially north of downtown ..."

Interesting. Maybe the algae has existed in visible, small amounts throughout the Maumee River for several weeks, but the recent weather events involving mostly dry weather from Sep 4 through Sep 17, followed by two days of heavy rainfall that caused heavy, localized sewer overflows to occur downtown, followed by several days of record hot weather combined to trigger a large bloom on a section of the Maumee River.

Maybe the river downtown had all the variables present to produce a large bloom, and the same thing might have occurred on the Maumee River by the I-75 bridge if another variable had been introduced in that area.

And maybe the Maumee River is like this every year, an algae tinderbox, waiting for a couple more ingredients to be added at the perfect time to explode green.

I have no idea what technology exists or can be used to monitor or read the Maumee River for algae, microcystin, etc. throughout the summer and fall between Point Place and Waterville.

While the downtown images imply that "it" is worse in 2017, I don't know if that's true without extensive data to compare across years. Maybe "it" was much worse in the Maumee River last year or five years ago, but the additional ingredients needed to trigger a bloom did not occur at the right time in past years.

While the hot weather has ended, I don't see any significant rainfall nor strong wind events in our 7-day forecast that might flush the Maumee River and possibly disperse the downtown bloom. Our forecast looks mighty pleasant. Hello, Fall. I don't know if the cooler weather will diminish the bloom downtown.

Toledo 7-day forecast - Last Update: Sep 28, 2017 6:06 am

Today: Mostly sunny, with a high near 69. North wind 6 to 8 mph.

Tonight: Mostly clear, with a low around 47. Northwest wind around 5 mph becoming light and variable in the evening.

Friday: A slight chance of showers. Partly sunny, with a high near 69. Southwest wind 7 to 13 mph becoming northwest in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation is 20%.

Friday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 46. North wind 7 to 11 mph.

Saturday: Sunny, with a high near 64. Northeast wind 6 to 8 mph.

Saturday Night: Mostly clear, with a low around 44.

Sunday: Sunny, with a high near 68.

Sunday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 50.

Monday: Sunny, with a high near 75.

Monday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 56.

Tuesday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 78.

Tuesday Night: Mostly clear, with a low around 57.

Wednesday: Sunny, with a high near 80.

posted by jr on Sep 28, 2017 at 07:40:54 am     #  

I walked along the River by Promedica last night and the smell was horrible. I've never noticed anything like it before.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Sep 28, 2017 at 07:47:07 am     #  

With the exception of the olfactory imposition, the color scheme does blend in nicely with the Promedica presence.

posted by Mariner on Sep 28, 2017 at 07:50:37 am     #   2 people liked this

Maybe the algae has existed in visible, small amounts throughout the Maumee River for several weeks, but the recent weather events involving mostly dry weather from Sep 4 through Sep 17, followed by two days of heavy rainfall that caused heavy, localized sewer overflows to occur downtown, followed by several days of record hot weather combined to trigger a large bloom on a section of the Maumee River.

Maybe the river downtown had all the variables present to produce a large bloom, and the same thing might have occurred on the Maumee River by the I-75 bridge if another variable had been introduced in that area.

And maybe the Maumee River is like this every year, an algae tinderbox, waiting for a couple more ingredients to be added at the perfect time to explode green.

I believe this is all plausible based on historical observations and the data you shared about this year. I know that the weather stayed hotter (warmer anyway) and drier longer, with some credit given to the recent hurricanes and their impact on our weather.

The wind usually turns out of the southwest earlier also, with some seasons showing low levels in the western basin on windy days. That has not been as impactful, as we have had more north/east wind days, both associated with the massive lows from the hurricanes and not, depending on the week in question. The prevailing southwest wind normally helps keep the Maumee moving northeast late in the year when spring rains are not driving the flow. Interestingly, the Maumee flows much slower than the Detroit, just to the north.

Grand Lake St. Mary's is at the extreme western end of the drainage basin that fills the Maumee. It has had a massive algal bloom problem for years.

posted by justread on Sep 28, 2017 at 08:23:03 am     #   2 people liked this

Algae plague. Can't say Opal didn't warn is.

posted by JoeyGee on Sep 28, 2017 at 08:24:32 am     #  

New last night said the level was very much in the safe zone for drinking but a couple Kroger stores ran out of bottled water.

The stench seems to be getting worse.

posted by classylady on Sep 28, 2017 at 08:38:06 am     #  

Wow. The pictures from yesterday are markedly worse than Tuesday. I'm going with the tinderbox explosion theory. Like the pot of epoxy went off and the whole container went.

posted by justread on Sep 28, 2017 at 08:38:33 am     #  

classylady posted at 09:38:06 AM on Sep 28, 2017:

New last night said the level was very much in the safe zone for drinking but a couple Kroger stores ran out of bottled water.

The stench seems to be getting worse.

That was me with the water. I bought a few thousand bottles yesterday afternoon. I parked down by the sandpiper and just started dumping them in the river to dilute it. I didn't count on how the caps would slow me down. I eventually decided to flush them down the toilet, figuring "it's all pipes."

posted by justread on Sep 28, 2017 at 08:41:48 am     #   3 people liked this

Reminds me of doing work on boats at Harrison Marina next to the water plant in the 1980's with the water full of plastic materials. The most floatable were prophylactics and feminine hygiene products that bypassed the filtration-extraction system and were returned to the river from their waste water source of home sewage. Stunk like hell and was disgusting. The poor water practices were known then and continued unabated for years.

posted by Mariner on Sep 28, 2017 at 09:28:49 am     #  

Just couldn't hold off any longer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g79_ljVC5Wk

posted by Wydowmaker on Sep 28, 2017 at 11:16:08 am     #  

upso posted at 05:12:07 PM on Sep 27, 2017:

due to some #fakenews rumors going around, everyone is scrambling to the grocery store to buy bottled water, even though it's currently safe. wife just got back from meijers and claims people were leaving with multiple carts full of water.

I would have never known about this week's bottled water panic if I had not seen this Toledo Talk thread. Thankfully, I'm oblivious to the popular trends on social media.

I checked Ryan Wichman's Twitter feed today for any algae bloom photos, which are quite artistic to me, and he posted a couple things, related to the bottle water stupidity. I didn't know that it was this silly.

https://twitter.com/Ryan_Wichman/status/913198954942169088

People, this is the epitome of a rumor. Heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend, who knows someone important.

Wichman's tweet pointed to alleged Facebook posts that said:

Hi neighbors! So I know someone who knows someone who works for city of Toledo water plant, and they were told that the water will be declared undrinkable tomorrow.

I work with a NP and her sister babysits for a city toledo water employee and that employee told her.


Another Wichman tweet:

https://twitter.com/Ryan_Wichman/status/913180179488546816

These false water crisis rumors are worse than a bread and milk run before a snowstorm!

That pointed to this tweet

https://twitter.com/koyote19/status/913149763629002759

Kroger Monroe St Sylvania.


Another user replied with the following, and I don't know if the person was joking or being serious.

The media caused this. Kinda like inducing panic..

WTF?

Another person replied with:

The water on the lake truly looks disgusting. I can't believe it's still OK to drink. Yuck!

Holy hell. That's what happens when people skip science class.


Yesterday's NY Times story about Twitter bots spreading misinformation was timely. But in our area, we don't need bots to ignite the spread. We have humans who can do it well.


Excerpts from a Sep 28, 2017 Toledo Blade story that should be shared on social media:

... the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said the toxin concentration remains low in most areas. That’s true where it matters most — intake cribs that send raw lake water to several municipal water-treatment plants.

According to area water-treatment plant operators, the toxin concentration remains surprisingly low.

Scientists have long said the size of a bloom does not correlate to its toxicity.

At Toledo’s intake crib, three miles north of the Lake Erie shoreline, toxin concentrations over the past week have been among the lowest all season.

Records provided by Janet Schroeder, a city water department spokesman, show the highest concentration in the raw water near Toledo’s intake was a mere 1.24 parts per billion last Friday, easily within the water plant’s ability to treat it.

The needle on the city’s water quality dashboard doesn’t even get moved into the Watch category until the raw lake water is over 5 ppb, and several area operators have said it can get as high as 50 ppb before treatment can become problematic.

The numbers after Friday were this: 0.68 ppb on Saturday; 0.78 ppb on Sunday; 0.31 ppb on Monday; 0.42 on Tuesday, and 0.52 ppb on Wednesday. Those numbers are so low they’re barely detectable.

“It certainly look as bad or worse as it's been in recent years,” Ottawa County Sanitary Engineer Kelly Frey, who monitors Port Clinton’s intake, said.

He said the highest reading out there this summer has been 3.4 ppb. “In past years, we’ve had over 50 ppb,” Mr. Frey said. “It’s not as bad as it looks.”

Doug Wagner, Oregon water-treatment plant manager, said Wednesday’s test result near that city’s intake was so low microcystins were undetectable. Last week, it was 1.7 ppb. Prior to that it was 4 ppb. The highest it has gotten this summer for Oregon so far is 25 ppb, Mr. Wagner said.

He agreed the toxin is “relatively mild” given the size and appearance of the bloom.

The Toledo-Lucas County Health Department has said the recreational contact advisory it placed along the Maumee River in Toledo was based on aesthetics, not excessive toxin.

Water-treatment plant operators will continue to be on the lookout until the threat has subsided, despite the so far surprisingly low toxin concentrations.

The blooms are expected to stick around until mid- to late-October.


Here's some interesting information from the Blade story:

Most probably are unaware of the fact that scientists, through environmental DNA evidence, know that what forms in the Maumee River and western Lake Erie each summer are genetically two different blooms that have little or no cross-over.

That fascinating trivia, however, doesn't help with this:

... residents have been shocked for days in person and on the Internet by the sight of an emerald green, thick-as-paint algae that has overtaken the Maumee River between downtown Toledo and Point Place. Some may have taken in whiffs of its fetid, foul-as-sewage odor along the shoreline.


Sep 26, 2017 photos.

https://twitter.com/EddieGreatLakes/status/913358254369071104

Shades of green.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_green

Viridian, sap, emerald, mint, etc.

The islands.


Another Toledo Aerial Media video published Sep 24, 2017 with music.

https://twitter.com/TOLAerialMedia/status/913198627803328512

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knL6_LxBJCI

posted by jr on Sep 28, 2017 at 11:19:20 am     #  

I see we have a candidate for governor now promising things. I guess the whole "Never miss the opportunity of a good disaster" holds true.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Sep 28, 2017 at 12:03:27 pm     #  

Even though I might be joking around about this I am really not laughing. My heart is breaking. I remember as a kid some really bad pollution around the Toledo area but I have never seen anything like this. We had a bad red tide outbreak here a couple of years ago and I remember my son took his kids to the beach. My granddaughter has asthma and almost died from the exposure.

posted by Wydowmaker on Sep 28, 2017 at 01:09:10 pm     #  

I guess you can say that this is just caused by more "kicking the can down the road" by politicians. Instead of developing separate storm and sewage systems they continue to build out old combined systems, even where they are replacing existing infrastructure. Still the city is spending over $500 million to place holding tanks in the system to allow the treatment plants to better deal with storm water surges but the net effect will not eliminate the problem, but only reduce overflow discharges by 80% or so.

I'm sure implementing a dual storm/sewage system would be more costly, but I don't understand why all new construction isn't separated, even if it's combined downstream? At least at some point we could then have a system that STOPPED dumping raw sewage into our waterways.

posted by breeman on Sep 28, 2017 at 03:42:16 pm     #   1 person liked this

What was the dredging schedule? Wouldn't that contribute to this mess?

posted by Molsonator on Sep 29, 2017 at 06:44:01 am     #  

Not really. The bottom of the river is shaped like a wine glass with the deepest part in the middle where it it dredged for the lake freighters. 6-7 years ago the Corp of Engineers approved open lake dumping of the material north of Turtle Island west of the channel south of Harbor Light. They claimed no impact to the lake. It was done as a cheap expedient for the silt. What has history shown us?

posted by Mariner on Sep 29, 2017 at 07:06:45 am     #  

But don't they stir things up a little? Doesn't the soil they dredge contain the phosphates as well as other causes of the algae?

posted by Molsonator on Sep 29, 2017 at 07:58:15 am     #  

Sure just as all the municipal discharge/overflow straight dumping contains all the rainfall onto streets and all the motor oil with it. Never breaks down. Trade off of the dredging is the local economy for grain shipping by the DiSalle bridge and all the shipping at the mouth of the bay. Big bucks for the area. The shipping channel fills in and loses depth each and every year from natual current and ice flow in the winter. It's not a simple this or that do you wnat clean water of shipping dollars. It's only one piece of a multi-faceted problem.

posted by Mariner on Sep 29, 2017 at 08:37:11 am     #  

The shipping channel fills in and loses depth each and every year from freighters knocking the banks of the channel in all year with soft groundings.

Fixed it for you. :)

posted by justread on Sep 29, 2017 at 08:45:37 am     #   1 person liked this

I wondered if the relatively ice-free winter had an effect. I found this. It has a pic from March of 2012 that looks a lot like this week.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=77506

posted by justread on Sep 29, 2017 at 05:16:28 pm     #  

“Even when ice covered, Lake Erie can get strong winter algal blooms,” wrote Stumpf.

From that article.

posted by justread on Sep 29, 2017 at 05:18:43 pm     #  

Rained a lot this past weekend. I wondered how much poo water went into our natural streams and river.

A LOT!

11/06/2017, CSO #48 , Hillside, 119 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #69 , CSO Tunnel 6&7, 146 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #68 , CSO Tunnel 1&2, 243 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #65 , Ayers, 322 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #61 , Lagrange, 290 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #48 , Hillside, 377 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #47 , Junction, 26 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #46 , Hawley, 6 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #43 , Hamilton-CSO 3,4,& 5, 323 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #42 , Erie, 85 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #33 , Maumee, 244 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #31 , Bostwick, 65 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #30 , Jefferson, 15 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #29 , Adams, 125 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #28 , Jackson, 150 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #27 , Locust, 48 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #26 , Magnolia, 303 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #8 , Fasset, 164 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #7 , Nevada, 516 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #6 , Main, 118 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #5 , Dearborn, 112 minutes
11/05/2017, CSO #4 , Paine, 197 minutes

posted by justread on Nov 07, 2017 at 01:54:16 pm     #  

ouch

posted by Mariner on Nov 07, 2017 at 02:15:22 pm     #  

It was a few days before election day. What did you expect? Lots of poo floating around.

posted by JoeyGee on Nov 07, 2017 at 02:16:48 pm     #  

"You're fucking yourselves over, bigtime, and you won't be missed." Mother Nature

posted by nana on Nov 07, 2017 at 06:30:40 pm     #   1 person liked this