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Larry Sykes and Julian Mack

Has anyone else seen the rumor circulating that Larry Sykes is currently being booked for choking Julian Mack at a downtown bar tonight?

(Source of info is people sharing Julian Mack's Facebook post stating that police were called.)

WTF?

created by mom2 on Oct 19, 2017 at 08:30:03 pm     Comments: 49

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He was arrested for the assault: http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2017/10/19/Larry-Sykes-arrested-on-assault-charges-at-campaign-event.html

posted by upso on Oct 19, 2017 at 08:32:25 pm     #  

Thanks for the link upso. Wow.

posted by mom2 on Oct 19, 2017 at 08:34:23 pm     #  

Those two deserve each other.

posted by JohnnyMac on Oct 19, 2017 at 08:51:45 pm     #   10 people liked this

There are multiple people in FB comments claiming to have been present when it happened, and stating that it appeared that Mack was trying to bait Sykes.

However, even if that turns out to be true, Sykes didn't have to take the bait. Assault is still assault, and he'll have to face the consequences.

There's supposed to be video somewhere, but I haven't watched yet.

posted by mom2 on Oct 19, 2017 at 09:41:26 pm     #  

"Fuck the police, except for right now. I need them to arrest the big man in the big hat who assulted me"- Julian Mack, probably.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Oct 19, 2017 at 09:50:36 pm     #   10 people liked this

mom2 posted at 10:41:26 PM on Oct 19, 2017:

There are multiple people in FB comments claiming to have been present when it happened, and stating that it appeared that Mack was trying to bait Sykes.

However, even if that turns out to be true, Sykes didn't have to take the bait. Assault is still assault, and he'll have to face the consequences.

There's supposed to be video somewhere, but I haven't watched yet.

there is a screen grab of a FB live video on the blade article

posted by upso on Oct 19, 2017 at 09:54:31 pm     #  

posted by toledolen_ on Oct 19, 2017 at 10:29:13 pm     #   2 people liked this

Interesting it was at a gay bar.

posted by classylady on Oct 20, 2017 at 12:18:58 am     #  

classylady posted at 01:18:58 AM on Oct 20, 2017:

Interesting it was at a gay bar.

I need this comment explained to me. The "interesting" part.

posted by justread on Oct 20, 2017 at 05:26:12 am     #  

1st person: "I didn't know Larry was gay."
2nd person: "Oh you heard that too."

posted by Mariner on Oct 20, 2017 at 06:09:26 am     #  

Choking while black. Clearly a setup.

posted by JoeyGee on Oct 20, 2017 at 06:31:05 am     #  

If you caught the video Mack put on his fb on the first day of early voting Mack did not vote for Larry. Obviously Larry took exception to the lack of support and the vote. A vote which should be protected with a strong level of privacy to protect our freedoms. The recording on cellphone of voting has been used as later proof for payment of a vote hence the reason to prohibit the use in polling locations.

posted by Mariner on Oct 20, 2017 at 06:34:40 am     #  

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 20, 2017 at 06:35:08 am     #   3 people liked this

Larry got popped by the OHP on Byrne Rd going 69 in a 45 on July 3, 2017.

Why was that amended to "Brake equipment?"
With a fine of $35.

How does 24mph over the speed limit witnessed by an officer of the highway patrol become a minor equipment charge? Not enough evidence? The officer signed the affidavit. I assume the radar was calibrated. When that happens to me, I pay over $100 and get points on my license.
I am asking Judge Kuhlman, I guess.
Judge?

posted by justread on Oct 20, 2017 at 06:39:01 am     #   4 people liked this

Councilman privilege?

posted by justread on Oct 20, 2017 at 06:39:53 am     #   1 person liked this

justread posted at 07:39:53 AM on Oct 20, 2017:

Councilman privilege?

The council men and women of Toledo are fine, upstanding and moral stalwarts to the laws and community members they serve. Surely you're not suggesting they place personal gain over truth and justice and the common man?

No self respecting community would stand for that. They wouldn't get elected in the first place, let alone, re-elected.

posted by JoeyGee on Oct 20, 2017 at 06:47:07 am     #  

JG to retain that self respecting community status it might be necessary to enact a city ordinance prohibiting council persons from admittance to downtown drinking establishments. The incidents of pass out concussions and this latest brouhaha are beginning to play hell with municipal employee safety records. Let's watch and see if the councilman tries to have the city pay his legal representation claiming he was on city business at the time of the arrest. That would not only be bad form but if the taxpayer sits still for it then that would be the icing on the cake.

posted by Mariner on Oct 20, 2017 at 06:58:38 am     #  

I guess I shouldn't have said anything.

Rather, if I am ticketed for going 69 in a 45, and I am in front of Judge Kuhlman, I would testify: "This is exactly like the Sykes case where you gave him the brake thing and $35 when a state trooper had him on radar. I'll take that deal also, unless that was some kind of political favor I am not entitled to."

posted by justread on Oct 20, 2017 at 06:58:53 am     #   5 people liked this

toledolen_ posted at 11:29:13 PM on Oct 19, 2017:

He's the black Joe Pesci.

posted by JoeyGee on Oct 20, 2017 at 07:09:13 am     #   1 person liked this

Waiting to hear Sykes say this was a racial thing !! Wait, I deserve a break because I'm...................................the circus continues with an "activist" who yelled unkind things about the police not so long ago, now calling them for help ????!!!??

posted by Hoops on Oct 20, 2017 at 07:26:13 am     #   2 people liked this

Julian Mack appears to be an antagonist and instigator. One of those really annoying people that just have a natural ability to nag and pick and just annoy the crap out of people until they snap.

Not saying that Larry was justified. JohnnyMac is exactly right. They deserve each other.

posted by JoeyGee on Oct 20, 2017 at 07:36:52 am     #   1 person liked this

justread posted at 06:26:12 AM on Oct 20, 2017:
classylady posted at 01:18:58 AM on Oct 20, 2017:

Interesting it was at a gay bar.

I need this comment explained to me. The "interesting" part.

interesting
[in-ter-uh-sting, -truh-sting, -tuh-res-ting]

adjective
1. engaging or exciting and holding the attention or curiosity: an interesting book.
2. arousing a feeling of interest: an interesting face.

Meaning that if this had been a regular downtown redneck kind of place it would not be surprising to see the elected dregs of humanity patronizing the bar in question, nor would it be unusual to see a professional political agitator get into a heated argument with said elected dregs over absolutely nothing, an argument which eventually led to cuffs - fisticuffs and handcuffs.

Because, see, in a gay bar you generally don't have drunken brawls. You don't even have sober brawls. You might have the occasional domestic slapping match which doesn't require the services of Toledo's finest.

What's interesting to me might not be interesting to most of the contributors on ToledoTalk (in fact I'd give you five to one odds), but in this case I think it's kind of interesting that Sykes may be coming out of the closet and admitting that he's actually gay.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

posted by madjack on Oct 20, 2017 at 11:05:15 am     #  

Wait, what?

posted by upso on Oct 20, 2017 at 11:10:17 am     #  

He's the black Joe Pesci.

Funny how?

posted by madjack on Oct 20, 2017 at 11:11:52 am     #  

I don't care if the local council people enjoy polyamorous relationships with a bed of sloths*. As long as they can actually act with the city's best interest ahead of their own, I don't care.

*a group of sloths IS called a bed. I looked it up, I don't want my human privilege showing.

posted by JoeyGee on Oct 20, 2017 at 11:15:15 am     #  

madjack posted at 12:11:52 PM on Oct 20, 2017:
He's the black Joe Pesci.

Funny how?

I'm just glad Larry didn't have a pen.

posted by JoeyGee on Oct 20, 2017 at 11:16:48 am     #  

I'm sure Larry has broken no laws. Maybe it was close, but he will invoke the Toledo City Council members privilege. He was substantially compliant with the law.

posted by bphtol1 on Oct 20, 2017 at 11:32:20 am     #   1 person liked this

upso posted at 12:10:17 PM on Oct 20, 2017:

Wait, what?

Exactly.

posted by justread on Oct 20, 2017 at 11:43:48 am     #  

The parties involved were there for a talent show put on by the city paper. Also, lots of straight people go to gay/gay friendly bars.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Oct 20, 2017 at 12:29:40 pm     #   2 people liked this

justread posted at 07:58:53 AM on Oct 20, 2017:

I guess I shouldn't have said anything.

Rather, if I am ticketed for going 69 in a 45, and I am in front of Judge Kuhlman, I would testify: "This is exactly like the Sykes case where you gave him the brake thing and $35 when a state trooper had him on radar. I'll take that deal also, unless that was some kind of political favor I am not entitled to."

I will say that I had a ticket reduced, and I'm no one notable or connected.

I did have a completely clean driving record otherwise though, and I was advised to appear in traffic court & plead no contest.

The traffic prosecutor took me in the hall and told me what they were able to offer based on the ticket and my clean driving record. I accepted & went back in front of the judge.

It was reduced to a zero point violation, so that made it worth appearing over.

I suspect if I showed up again a few months later and asked for a similar break, they wouldn't be as willing to work with me.

posted by mom2 on Oct 20, 2017 at 03:21:55 pm     #  

I am siding with Sykes on this one. This seems overblown.

This Bond guy. His hagiographic profile in the Toledo City Paper led me to believe that he was an up and coming politician in Toledo.

posted by Dappling2 on Oct 20, 2017 at 04:26:03 pm     #  

Pardon the typo..."Mack" not "bond"

http://toledocitypaper.com/the-city/toledos-primed-to-hear-more-from-rising-activist-future-politician/

posted by Dappling2 on Oct 20, 2017 at 04:29:54 pm     #  

I would also add that a LONG time ago I worked as security for Kip and Company. Things like that happened on a nightly basis. To book a 68 year old man in jail is way over the top.

posted by Dappling2 on Oct 20, 2017 at 05:41:22 pm     #  

I would also add that a LONG time ago I worked as security for Kip and Company. Things like that happened on a nightly basis. To book a 68 year old man in jail is way over the top.

posted by Dappling2 on Oct 20, 2017 at 05:41:23 pm     #  

I would also add that a LONG time ago I worked as security for Kip and Company. Things like that happened on a nightly basis. To book a 68 year old man in jail is way over the top.

posted by Dappling2 on Oct 20, 2017 at 05:41:24 pm     #  

Ray Kest and David Lewandowski each dropped their charges against the other out of embarrassment after the 1989 scuffle in the bathroom at Wesley's.

It was my understanding that Wesley's worked very hard for many years to preserve the scene exactly like it was. This included not cleaning or renovating for decades.

posted by justread on Oct 21, 2017 at 04:38:11 am     #   4 people liked this

That one pegs the fun meter. 🤠 Larry even likes it.

posted by Mariner on Oct 21, 2017 at 07:53:17 am     #  

The sad situation is that the local politicians continue to set the bar for professional behavior lower and lower with every election and keep getting elected regardless. The city will never change for the better, get to the business of making Toledo a better place for everyone, and stop being the saddest laughing stock of the Midwest, until we accept and elect new people with new last names into Toledo city government. Take a good look around. This isn't working.

posted by oldmom on Oct 21, 2017 at 08:49:04 am     #   5 people liked this

I infer from this eyewitness account that Mack assaulted Sykes first, and Sykes responded in self-defense.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/10/20/Toledo-councilman-Larry-Sykes-Democratic-Party.html

Sam Melendez, a spokesman for Toledo Mayor Paula Hicks-Hudson, said as he arrived Thursday night he saw Mr. Mack following Mr. Sykes outside, heading toward the bar, yelling, “'Hey big man in the big hat.'”

“Larry was walking, trying to ignore him, then he walked into Georgjz, and Julian, with camera in hand fly in right behind him, running after him,” Mr. Melendez said. “Larry was not 10 feet in the bar and Julian grabs Larry's shoulder and that was the first contact there was. Larry just spun around and reacted. I didn't see a strike — more of a push. At that point, one of the bouncers or bartenders pushed Julian out of the bar and Larry went to watch the show.”


It seems that Mack has no problem insulting another person, but he gets upset when he gets insulted.

Mr. Mack told The Blade he walked up to Mr. Sykes, whom he described as a “big man” in “a big hat.” Mr. Mack said to Mr. Sykes, “What’s up, big man in the big hat.”

He said Mr. Sykes responded by saying, “Don’t talk to me, boy.” Mr. Mack said Mr. Sykes used the phrase several times, to which Mr. Mack said, “Don’t talk to me like that.”


Mack wants to be an elected official someday, but apparently, he has not yet realized than his infantile stunts today will be used against him if he runs for office in the future, especially at the unfortunate endorsement time.

Oct 20, 2017 Blade editorial

Julian Mack’s behavior should make him the sort of guy who Democratic politicians avoid like the plague.

Oct 20, 2017 Blade story

Mr. Mack pulled petitions to run for an at-large seat on Toledo City Council this year, but ended his campaign after he was not endorsed by the Lucas County Democratic Party.

And that lack of an endorsement for 2017 occurred before his fall 2017 activist actions. I don't see how his recent actions help his future political standing at the local level.

But why would he care about the endorsement? Mack choosing not to run for city council this year makes zero sense to me. If he truly felt that he could help the city by being an elected official, then he would have run for office.

The only endorsement needed is from the voters.

Mack's bailing on a city council run proves that many people believe that the only way to get elected is to have support from political machines that do not care about the citizenry.

It's asinine that young local leaders and activists choose to enslave themselves to the old ways of doing things politically. That ain't progress. They have blown a huge opportunity to overhaul local politics. They could have had strength in numbers.

But if their goal is to become political hacks as fast as possible, then I understand begging for and accepting party endorsements.


In my opinion, this is the most disturbing part of the entire Mack-Sykes incident.

"Julian, with camera in hand fly in right behind him, running after him ..."

Is that the behavior of an adult today?


More from the Oct 20, 2017 Blade editorial:

Mr. Sykes, 68, faces a first-degree misdemeanor assault charge.

This is not the temperament of a leader.

Are there no standards in Toledo politics?

Does that question need to be asked?

In September [Julian Mack] was the passenger in a car driven by endorsed Democratic Toledo school board candidate Ruth Leonard when he reportedly shouted, “[Expletive] the police” at Toledo police officers.

Ms. Leonard, who hit her brakes suddenly as she passed the officer, was cited for a fourth-degree misdemeanor of causing a risk of physical harm.

But the Lucas County Democratic Party did not even consider whether to revoke her endorsement at its meeting following the incident. “Nobody brought it up,” Chairman Josh Hughes said.

Likewise, Democrats reflexively assured Mr. Sykes that he would not lose their endorsement the day after his arrest.


Politically, the future could improve locally if voters never elected candidates who were endorsed by the local republican and democrat parties. Party endorsements should be viewed as red flag warnings, indicating that the candidates should be shunned.

A bright and shiny new future for local politics might mean choosing candidates who do not grovel for endorsements. And it could mean that future candidates decide to campaign differently by not selling themselves to special interests.

And that could lead to candidates focusing on the citizenry instead of thug machinations. But the archaic, knuckle-dragging local political mindset has deep roots. Intelligent change is over-matched.

Utimately, local politics is not needed to improve the community, which the activists should know from first-hand experience. It's probable that local politics interferes more than it helps. Moving from an activist to an endorsed political candidate is going backwards.

With that info, I hope that Sykes receives the most votes among the Toledo city clowncil at-large candidates in this November's election, and on election night, he wears a t-shirt, proclaiming "Big Man in the Big Hat Wins Again."

posted by jr on Oct 21, 2017 at 09:32:38 am     #   1 person liked this

jr posted at 10:32:38 AM on Oct 21, 2017:

I infer from this eyewitness account that Mack assaulted Sykes first, and Sykes responded in self-defense.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/10/20/Toledo-councilman-Larry-Sykes-Democratic-Party.html

Sam Melendez, a spokesman for Toledo Mayor Paula Hicks-Hudson, said as he arrived Thursday night he saw Mr. Mack following Mr. Sykes outside, heading toward the bar, yelling, “'Hey big man in the big hat.'”

“Larry was walking, trying to ignore him, then he walked into Georgjz, and Julian, with camera in hand fly in right behind him, running after him,” Mr. Melendez said. “Larry was not 10 feet in the bar and Julian grabs Larry's shoulder and that was the first contact there was. Larry just spun around and reacted. I didn't see a strike — more of a push. At that point, one of the bouncers or bartenders pushed Julian out of the bar and Larry went to watch the show.”


It seems that Mack has no problem insulting another person, but he gets upset when he gets insulted.

Mr. Mack told The Blade he walked up to Mr. Sykes, whom he described as a “big man” in “a big hat.” Mr. Mack said to Mr. Sykes, “What’s up, big man in the big hat.”

He said Mr. Sykes responded by saying, “Don’t talk to me, boy.” Mr. Mack said Mr. Sykes used the phrase several times, to which Mr. Mack said, “Don’t talk to me like that.”


Mack wants to be an elected official someday, but apparently, he has not yet realized than his infantile stunts today will be used against him if he runs for office in the future, especially at the unfortunate endorsement time.

Oct 20, 2017 Blade editorial

Julian Mack’s behavior should make him the sort of guy who Democratic politicians avoid like the plague.

Oct 20, 2017 Blade story

Mr. Mack pulled petitions to run for an at-large seat on Toledo City Council this year, but ended his campaign after he was not endorsed by the Lucas County Democratic Party.

And that lack of an endorsement for 2017 occurred before his fall 2017 activist actions. I don't see how his recent actions help his future political standing at the local level.

But why would he care about the endorsement? Mack choosing not to run for city council this year makes zero sense to me. If he truly felt that he could help the city by being an elected official, then he would have run for office.

The only endorsement needed is from the voters.

Mack's bailing on a city council run proves that many people believe that the only way to get elected is to have support from political machines that do not care about the citizenry.

It's asinine that young local leaders and activists choose to enslave themselves to the old ways of doing things politically. That ain't progress. They have blown a huge opportunity to overhaul local politics. They could have had strength in numbers.

But if their goal is to become political hacks as fast as possible, then I understand begging for and accepting party endorsements.


In my opinion, this is the most disturbing part of the entire Mack-Sykes incident.

"Julian, with camera in hand fly in right behind him, running after him ..."

Is that the behavior of an adult today?


More from the Oct 20, 2017 Blade editorial:

Mr. Sykes, 68, faces a first-degree misdemeanor assault charge.

This is not the temperament of a leader.

Are there no standards in Toledo politics?

Does that question need to be asked?

In September [Julian Mack] was the passenger in a car driven by endorsed Democratic Toledo school board candidate Ruth Leonard when he reportedly shouted, “[Expletive] the police” at Toledo police officers.

Ms. Leonard, who hit her brakes suddenly as she passed the officer, was cited for a fourth-degree misdemeanor of causing a risk of physical harm.

But the Lucas County Democratic Party did not even consider whether to revoke her endorsement at its meeting following the incident. “Nobody brought it up,” Chairman Josh Hughes said.

Likewise, Democrats reflexively assured Mr. Sykes that he would not lose their endorsement the day after his arrest.


Politically, the future could improve locally if voters never elected candidates who were endorsed by the local republican and democrat parties. Party endorsements should be viewed as red flag warnings, indicating that the candidates should be shunned.

A bright and shiny new future for local politics might mean choosing candidates who do not grovel for endorsements. And it could mean that future candidates decide to campaign differently by not selling themselves to special interests.

And that could lead to candidates focusing on the citizenry instead of thug machinations. But the archaic, knuckle-dragging local political mindset has deep roots. Intelligent change is over-matched.

Utimately, local politics is not needed to improve the community, which the activists should know from first-hand experience. It's probable that local politics interferes more than it helps. Moving from an activist to an endorsed political candidate is going backwards.

With that info, I hope that Sykes receives the most votes among the Toledo city clowncil at-large candidates in this November's election, and on election night, he wears a t-shirt, proclaiming "Big Man in the Big Hat Wins Again."

I thought it was a little too convenient that someone was ready to catch the full incident on video.

(As opposed to only getting a partial recording because it took them a second to realize something video-worthy was happening.)

But surely Mr Mack would never attempt to provoke an incident hoping to capture the aftermath on Facebook live. ;)

posted by mom2 on Oct 21, 2017 at 09:45:34 am     #   2 people liked this

I completely agree with the Blade editorial, referenced and quoted above. It appeared in my paper this morning.

Based only on his recent actions, I am comfortable sorting Julian Mack into the JERK category. At the risk of getting choked, punched or worse by a 68 year-old; I give Larry Sykes the same label.

Both of them seem to position themselves in situations where "others should know better than to fuck with me". This is supported in the Editorial; "Julian Mack's behavior should make him the sort of person who Democrat politicians avoid like the plague." As though there is an ongoing threat from him that he has the ability to hurt anyone who either displeases or fucks with him. It was no accident that the whole Sykes incident was recorded on cell phone. I'll wager Mack told a friend to start recording, likely advising "this is going to be good - make sure you get it."

As to Mr. Sykes - I'm sure we all remember the incident 3 years ago when he got pulled over for driving with no front license plate and a rear plate obscured by a plastic lens. Naturally, he accused racial profiling.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/05/13/Report-Sykes-claims-he-was-racially-profiled-while-driving-unfounded.html

To my mind, driving around with a plate that reads “4DRWBLK,” which stands for “4 driving while black”, is a warning / threat to police that you had better have a great reason for pulling my vehicle over; because I'm going to play the race card.

Making Sykes worse, is that when he did play the race card and made a formal complaint to the police chief about the stop, he lied about having the plastic cover over his plate. He even removed the cover before the Blade photographer took a photo of it. Luckily, the dash cam of the incident showed the whole thing, #Larrytheliar.

http://www.toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/176586/Larry_Sykes

I wish the Blade would have mentioned that incident in their editorial.

Shame they didn't have more room to write. They could have mentioned the recent Steel incident, when he got fall-down fucked-up, and actually fell down / blacked-out in a parking lot. He claimed he was assaulted.

http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Steve-Steel-talks-about-night-he-was-found-unconscious-in-parking-lot-414411273.html

We have all done things in our past that we wish we could take back. To his credit, Julian Mack didn't lie about being a jerk or yelling "Fuck the police". Sykes and Steele compounded their issues by lying about them.

As the Blade said: No Standards, no Shame.

posted by jimavolt on Oct 22, 2017 at 08:00:56 am     #   5 people liked this

Anyone know if Earl Mack and Julian Mack are related?

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2004/06/25/Police-union-cited-for-liquor-violations.html

posted by Mariner on Oct 24, 2017 at 09:39:07 am     #  

Earl Mack is a man's man. A man of the highest order. A walking legend. Calm but tactical before tactical was cool. US Army 1970 Vietnam. Law enforcement executive of the highest esteem. Oversaw security for state buildings. Homeland Security. In charge of licensing all private investigators in state. Respected by all. All action. Very little talk.

Not really seeing the resemblance.

posted by justread on Oct 24, 2017 at 09:55:46 am     #  

Why would you think Julian Mack and Earl Mack are related? It's not exactly an uncommon name. I did have to double check yesterday when I saw both Sykes and Mack have attorneys with the last name Mitchell.

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 24, 2017 at 09:58:55 am     #  

Gentlemen it was an interogatory not an indictment. Newsclip provided as a point of reference.

posted by Mariner on Oct 24, 2017 at 11:08:09 am     #  

Mack has a new video on his Facebook page.

posted by estioney on Nov 04, 2017 at 11:57:20 am     #  

Ace_Face posted at 09:58:55 AM on Oct 24, 2017:

Why would you think Julian Mack and Earl Mack are related? It's not exactly an uncommon name. I did have to double check yesterday when I saw both Sykes and Mack have attorneys with the last name Mitchell.

Damned if they are indeed related.

posted by justread on Nov 08, 2017 at 10:32:35 am     #  

And Mack's Disorderly Conduct charge was dismissed in his road rage incident:
http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/2017/11/07/Disorderly-conduct-charge-dismissed-against-Toledo-activist.html

Good day for both of them. Mack's charges were dismissed and Sykes was reelected.

posted by classylady on Nov 08, 2017 at 03:17:13 pm     #  

Sadly, yelling "Fuck the Police", must be protected speech.

What do you suppose Mack learned from this??? I suggest he learned that he can do no wrong. We haven't heard the last of this dude.

posted by jimavolt on Nov 09, 2017 at 01:16:06 pm     #   1 person liked this