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Crime Outbreak

What is going on in the south end? Seems like there is some gang/drug war going on. Toledo just logged it's 37th homicide of the year.

I tried to call TPD on it's non-emergency dispatch tonight to report some drug activity on our street and I was merely blown off. Sounds like they need more cops on the street to curb gang/drug violence...idk but Toledo seems to have an outbreak of violence right now imo....

created by WestToledoan on Nov 21, 2017 at 12:28:25 am     Comments: 14

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This town has needed more cops on the street for some time. Unfortunately the lack of incoming tax dollars and bad financial decisions for many years are making it hard to do so now. Throw in the fact that the prison systems are really beyond capacity. Some people who probably should be locked away for a long time get plea bargains and short sentences. Criminals are becoming more emboldened because they KNOW the likelihood of getting caught or doing hard time is greatly reduced.

Take steps to protect yourself and your loved ones. Get to know your neighbors. If you have the ability, document with video the things you see going on. Make city leaders well aware of whats going on and force them to address it. If only people were as vocal about problems like this as they are about whether or not some sports person kneeled this past weekend or what celebrity groped who this week...

I do not fault the police, they are doing the best they can with the limited resources they have

posted by cryogenic419 on Nov 21, 2017 at 06:55:35 am     #  

We had a series of meetings with a community relations officer and he was very sincere about people calling to report things. He gave out business cards and said he's not the 911 equivalent, but if you want to discuss your neighborhood concerns he would be glad to hear from you. He'll set up biweekly crime meetings in your 'hood for as long as people are interested. I was very impressed with his presentation and attitude.

Office Mohamad-Aly Nasser is at 419-936-2722. He's at Scott Park but presumably he would hook you up with another community officer if you're outside of his area.

posted by viola on Nov 21, 2017 at 03:34:44 pm     #  

It has been ugly...going to get worse before better. This will be a subject for an extended time.

posted by dino on Nov 21, 2017 at 08:50:49 pm     #  

Limited resources? The best they can? Perhaps if they were on patrol instead of holding speed guns on an expressway I might agree. Do we need more cops so they can hold up more speed guns?

posted by ThePhysician on Nov 22, 2017 at 11:56:00 am     #   12 people liked this

When I was with the city, there was a slow transition from a point where some police were actually patrolling, looking for crime, to a point where they simply spent the evening going from call to call.

Many police were sad because they'd rather prevent a crime than take a report on one. They'd rather catch a crook using their own ability than turning the case over to detectives.

We need more police worse than anybody knows.

posted by MemyselfandI on Nov 22, 2017 at 05:22:24 pm     #   2 people liked this

Do you honestly think the idea to ticket people with speed cameras originated within the police dept? You know where that came from. The chief was just following the directives he was given, if he didn't he would be replaced by someone who would at the will of the mayor. Yes limited resources. Who makes the decision to spend city resources on non essential items vs hiring police to patrol the streets? Hey crime is through the roof but we opened the pools, be proud of that fact.

posted by cryogenic419 on Nov 23, 2017 at 07:47:02 am     #   4 people liked this

MemyselfandI posted at 05:22:24 PM on Nov 22, 2017:

When I was with the city, there was a slow transition from a point where some police were actually patrolling, looking for crime, to a point where they simply spent the evening going from call to call.

Many police were sad because they'd rather prevent a crime than take a report on one. They'd rather catch a crook using their own ability than turning the case over to detectives.

We need more police worse than anybody knows.

Julian Mack knows.

posted by justread on Nov 23, 2017 at 11:15:33 am     #   2 people liked this

Ah. So you say Police Chief Kral has no balls to stand up to the Mayor. Looks like Wade needs to replace such a wimpy man with a chief that will actually do something about crime. As for limited resources, let's see we had a police helicopter as a resource but I guess it wasn't really a needed resource since it was sold off. So what was that money put toward? More speed cameras?

posted by ThePhysician on Nov 23, 2017 at 12:33:24 pm     #   2 people liked this

I'm saying the chief has no final say in the city budget. The police can only work with what is allocated to the department, just like every other city department. Perhaps he has stood up to the mayor, we don't know every little detail behind the scenes. I honestly think the police are doing the best they can in this town given the lack of support from those in charge of running this town. I truly hope a new mayor will bring about change when it comes to crime. Seen many a politician come and go on the local, state and federal levels promising people the world, very few deliver even a fraction of what they promise during election time. We shall see.

posted by cryogenic419 on Nov 24, 2017 at 05:52:40 am     #   1 person liked this

ThePhysician posted at 12:33:24 PM on Nov 23, 2017:

Ah. So you say Police Chief Kral has no balls to stand up to the Mayor. Looks like Wade needs to replace such a wimpy man with a chief that will actually do something about crime. As for limited resources, let's see we had a police helicopter as a resource but I guess it wasn't really a needed resource since it was sold off. So what was that money put toward? More speed cameras?

Um. On the police helicopter.... You clearly are not recognizing the distinction between a resource (something that provides) from an expense (something that depletes).

It was a 2001 Robinson R-44, which was bought with federal funds. It was based out of the Life Flight hangar at St. Vincent. I don't know if you ever saw it, or rode in it, but it could damn near fit inside the regular sized helicopters, like Dauphins. The seats were lawn chairs with no legs. It was essentially a large drone. Let me put it this way, when they added an infrared camera, they had to relocate the battery to the tail cone to balance the weight. Ranchers use these out west instead of an ATV.

Anyway... it was "free" to us. The downside is that helicopters require a lot of maintenance. In fact, every so many hours, they are sent back down the assembly line where detailed inspection and component replacement are done at great expense. This is not optional. We somehow managed to get this done once, I believe. Federal grant, maybe? Then we stopped using it very much, which was good, because in those early years of "The Ghetto Bird" they, not being super good at hovering, would fly big circles over the ghetto for hours.
By recent years, we were coming up on another big time refit. Last November, it had 3779 hours and was due for a refit at 4,400 hours or November, 2017, whichever came first. There was an airworthiness directive that mandated the replacement of the main rotor by October 2017. There were no funds available locally or through grants.
Whoever paid $168,000 for this bird on including buyer's premiums has not been able to fly it for these reasons. It is a paperweight until someone throws maybe another $150k at it in maintenance.

So, your other points notwithstanding, dumping this flying piece of crap was one of the best decisions that has been made in recent years.

posted by justread on Nov 24, 2017 at 06:25:27 am     #   2 people liked this

So it was a resource that was never used?

posted by ThePhysician on Nov 24, 2017 at 12:11:53 pm     #  

Heal thyself.

posted by justread on Nov 24, 2017 at 12:46:41 pm     #  

Justread..excellent explanation. If they asked me the question, "Should TPD have a helicopter?" I would have said "yes."

After having read your explanation, I am now in the "no" column.

posted by Dappling2 on Nov 25, 2017 at 07:42:03 pm     #   1 person liked this

Um. On the police helicopter.... You clearly are not recognizing the distinction between a resource (something that provides) from an expense (something that depletes).

Or a money pit, something that you can shovel money into with a bulldozer and it still won't be enough. Like, for instance, the T-Town ghetto bird.

I was all the way over into the Hell No! column, but I don't live in Toledo. Never have, and very likely never will.

posted by madjack on Nov 27, 2017 at 03:31:42 pm     #