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And the Democrat Dominated Circus Continues

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2018/01/12/Webb-said-she-is-unable-to-become-Lucas-County-treasurer-due-to-surety-bond.html

created by Foodie on Jan 12, 2018 at 09:42:27 am     Local-Politics     Comments: 49

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Put 3 rings around this circus !

posted by Hoops on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:05:14 am     #   1 person liked this

This just makes Wade look like a complete tool. First he picks someone who has no relevant experience. And now we find out he likely didn't even vet her.

More of the Same Old Toledo.

His reign of cronyism is off to a bad start.

I am sure he will pick another one of the recycled politicians looking for another pension to fill her spot.

posted by toledoramblingman on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:08:36 am     #  

Wade did not pick her the Democratic party did. What idiot did not due their due diligence?

posted by OldTimer on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:14:58 am     #  

Wade didn't choose her. Since it is a county office and the spot was previously filled by a Democrat, the LCDP had to choose between candidates to fill the position. It was between Micheal Ashford, Lindsay Webb and a Oregon councilman. Maybe if she knew get credit score was bad, maybe not the best office to take.....

posted by WestToledoan on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:16:08 am     #  

Yeah, this had nothing to do with Wade. Remember the Democratic Party going after Wade, saying he "jumped his place in line" and all that? These are the same people in charge of picking his replacement for Treasurer. The mayor has absolutely no involvement in that.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:17:55 am     #  

This will just make it look more like a recycled circus. Ashford gets the Treasurer's spot, PH2 gets his seat in the Ohio House. Clown Show at it's finest.

posted by WestToledoan on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:18:23 am     #   1 person liked this

Can she recind her resignation from city council?

posted by Mike21 on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:18:34 am     #  

But I do have to echo OT's comment, and maybe play conspiracy theorist here: somebody within the party and nominating group should have at least checked her credit to make sure she could even hold the position before they nominated her and let her resign her then-current elected position. Now she's out for both. Could the party have been that dumb, or was someone counting on this?

posted by Johio83 on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:20:08 am     #  

City council could appoint her to the vacant position.

posted by OldTimer on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:20:21 am     #  

I like Johio83's theory that someone was counting on/knew about this.

It would seem the Dem party did not want her in that particular office but elsewhere...and now nowhere.

Toledo politics at its best...the circus continues!

posted by ThePolishFalcon on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:32:20 am     #  

From her FB Page:

PRESS STATEMENT FROM LINDSAY WEBB January 12, 2018

Shortly after taking the oath of office to be the next Lucas County Treasurer, one of the County Commissioners called me to inform me that the County could not bond me. This came as a huge surprise to me. I was shocked. The reason for this is my personal credit score. I, like many people who struggle to make ends meet, knew I didn’t have stellar credit, but I never thought this would result in being denied a bonding necessary to be the Treasurer of the County.
We live like most people in Northwest Ohio, pay check to pay check, month to month, doing the very best that we can to provide for our family. As the old song goes, life happens when you are making other plans; for us, “life” was things like unemployment, bad furnaces, and broken cars. We always played the hand we were dealt. We paid our bills. But, elected officials are held to a higher standard.
After I received that phone call, I rushed home and pulled up my credit report and found an error that was dragging my already stretched credit, even lower. I immediately filed a dispute with the credit reporting agency and with the private student loan company that was improperly reporting my very last payment as 120 days late, when it in fact, was paid in full. However, it is too late. The damage is done.
I cannot take the office of Lucas County Treasurer because I cannot get a surety bond. For that, I apologize to the citizens of this County, the employees in the Treasurer’s office and at the Lucas County Land bank. Having already resigned from Toledo City Council, I feel it is best that I spend some time focusing on my family by returning to private life.
It has been the greatest honor of my life to represent the neighborhoods I love on Toledo City Council, and I have done my level best to try to make the community around me a better place.
My family appreciates your kindness and compassion during a time that has turned from great joy and excitement to disappointment and sadness. We ask you for your decency, consideration, and continued prayer.

posted by stooks on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:33:14 am     #  

Nicely composed. At least from me you have all three requests.

posted by Mariner on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:52:41 am     #   3 people liked this

I would have loved to have been on the phone calls trying to get around this. Surely, something petty like a surety bond can't stand in the way of the Democratic Party's grand scheme could it? Why? They don't let logic stop them. Why would they allow something stupid like the law get in their way?

The whole display of blatant cronyism leading up this this has been disgusting. I didn't see a single reference to experience in finance being a factor. The only factor was electability and holding onto seats in their private game of musical chairs.

posted by JoeyGee on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:59:23 am     #   1 person liked this

I believe she is failing to take accountability for her own credit score.

posted by justread on Jan 12, 2018 at 10:59:43 am     #   3 people liked this

I would have loved to have been on the phone calls trying to get around this.

But I AM SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT!!!!

posted by justread on Jan 12, 2018 at 11:00:50 am     #   4 people liked this

As someone who has served on the LCDP screening committee in the past, I can assure you there was no conspiracy to appoint a current officeholder and then see her booted from her appointed seat. That's just too embarrassing all the way around.

Most likely, no one even asked about her credit. The usual question is: Is there anything in your background that would embarrass you or us if it became public?

Remember, at one point the county Treasurer was Ray Kest, who spouted off about his money management skills when he ran for mayor. The Blade decided not to take him at his word, and when they looked at his credit report, saw that he had in the neighborhood of $80K in credit card debt. Jack Ford, who had made no such claims, had something like $15K in credit card debt. In comparison, this made him look pretty good.

Kind of makes you wonder how ol' Acapulco Ray ever became treasurer with that kind of debt.

posted by Anniecski on Jan 12, 2018 at 11:11:16 am     #  

Wow - I feel for her. That has to be deeply embarrassing - surely she didn't go into this musical chairs game thinking there would be a chance this would happen to her.

That said, she should have. Treasurer is an important fiduciary position - the highest in the county. She should have done her due diligence. I see a pattern with Lindsay - filing late election paperwork, making outlandish budget proposals without regard for the City's fiscal health. Probably not the best move for her political career.

That said, I wish her the best. I hope she takes time out of the spotlight, to enjoy her family, focus on her private life, reflect on the situation, and how that may affect her future political endeavors.

Boy, the LC Dem's didn't do her any favors. Part of me wonders if that was by design...

posted by filthyirishman on Jan 12, 2018 at 11:12:09 am     #   1 person liked this

Wow - I feel for her. That has to be deeply embarrassing - surely she didn't go into this musical chairs game thinking there would be a chance this would happen to her.

That said, she should have. Treasurer is an important fiduciary position - the highest in the county. She should have done her due diligence. I see a pattern with Lindsay - filing late election paperwork, making outlandish budget proposals without regard for the City's fiscal health. Probably not the best move for her political career.

That said, I wish her the best. I hope she takes time out of the spotlight, to enjoy her family, focus on her private life, reflect on the situation, and how that may affect her future political endeavors.

Boy, the LC Dem's didn't do her any favors. Part of me wonders if that was by design...

posted by filthyirishman on Jan 12, 2018 at 11:12:10 am     #  

justread posted at 11:00:50 AM on Jan 12, 2018:

I would have loved to have been on the phone calls trying to get around this.

But I AM SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT!!!!

Damn! You beat me to it justread...........

posted by Foodie on Jan 12, 2018 at 11:20:08 am     #   2 people liked this

I'd be truly excited and comforted by the knowledge she will no longer be my council person but I know too well that the party apparatus will appoint some equally unqualified hack who's "turn" it is to take her place.
And politics as usual will continue in Lucas County.
Shocking as this may seem coming from me, I actually hold out some hope (and have some faith) that Wade means what he says and will govern accordingly. If he does, I'll be the first in line to sign his re-election petition.

posted by Foodie on Jan 12, 2018 at 11:29:04 am     #  

Kind of makes you wonder how ol' Acapulco Ray ever became treasurer with that kind of debt.

I was wondering if maybe the bonding companies have changed their background checks in issuing bonds since Kest was in office. It kinda makes sense, I mean even car insurance companies sometimes pull credit reports before quoting rates.

I didn't see a single reference to experience in finance being a factor. The only factor was electability and holding onto seats in their private game of musical chairs.

Well, because realistically, the treasurer doesn't have a whole lot of discretion in investing funds. State law dictates what they can and can't invest your money in, so it's not really a requirement. Seriously, what experience did Wade have before he was elected to treasurer?

posted by not_me on Jan 12, 2018 at 11:41:57 am     #  

Lucas County Democratic Party? Why do we want people from that shithole anyway?

posted by Columbusguy on Jan 12, 2018 at 12:09:50 pm     #   3 people liked this

^Why do we want people from that shithole anyway?... cc'd Vincente Fox.

posted by justareviewer on Jan 12, 2018 at 01:04:54 pm     #  

What is her background prior to politics? Is she an attorney?

On the bright side, this will give her more time to support Patrick Hickey, play politics and pay attention to the WLS board.

posted by Dappling2 on Jan 12, 2018 at 02:34:07 pm     #   1 person liked this

If money is tight in her household I'd have to assume she's going to work somewhere. (Que suspenseful music)

posted by Columbusguy on Jan 12, 2018 at 03:02:24 pm     #  

For those of you who receive the Point and Shoreland Journal: check out this week's front page.

Dewey defeats Truman?

posted by Foodie on Jan 15, 2018 at 05:38:31 am     #  

Hey Toledo isn't it a bit overdue to wake up and get really concerned about who is in control and makes fiscal decisions with public funds. The last mayor could not fudge around $8m in mystery money so got replaced hopefully with someone who can work an abacus. Now the choices from the county democratic party to handle county monies are all warped and confused. At the heart of all the mess is the local democratic party. Time to put them into a room with the one way mirror, bright lights, and peel back the layers. When it walks like a duck, talks like a duck then by God it's a duck. The frightening element to all this is that these are the people who will be trading, giving, surrendering your water infrastructure and they give the impression that their prime concern is themselves. Once that asset is gone Toledo, it is gone forever. It's looking like we are dealing with secondary mortgage lenders in the form of the county democratic party.

posted by Mariner on Jan 16, 2018 at 09:15:40 am     #   1 person liked this

she's baaack....
TOLEDO, OH (WTOL) -
Lucas County is once again not in the market for a treasurer.

According to the Chairman of the Lucas County Democratic Party, Joshua Hughes, Lindsey Webb is expected to be the next treasurer.

She was initially appointed to the position last Wednesday, but that was shortly lived due to a poor personal credit score, according to a statement from Webb.

Hughes and Lucas County Commissioner Pete Gerken confirmed that Webb has been able to secure two surety bonds.

Hughes added that she was able to take care of the problem that was knocking her credit down.

Commissioners are expected to select one of her surety bonds Wednesday and vote her back in.

posted by justareviewer on Jan 16, 2018 at 07:19:19 pm     #  

Everything I read while exploring advised that the cost of such bonds run anywhere from 1% to as much as 5% of the bond amount. One of the primary factors dictating the price is the applicant's credit rating.

I wonder if, as treasurer, it will be her responsibility to investigate the county pissing away funds by paying excessive fees to cover bonding for unqualified employees?

posted by jimavolt on Jan 16, 2018 at 07:46:57 pm     #   2 people liked this

Someone needs to develop the Crony Score for each of these politicians. That's the only real number that matters.

posted by JoeyGee on Jan 16, 2018 at 10:03:40 pm     #   1 person liked this

So we are trusting a person who can't even handle her own finances responsibly to be in charge of the Lucas County finances? Is the county paying a premium to the bonding company to bond her, and if so is she paying the additional premium or are the tax payers?

When she is up for election her opponent will have a lot of fun with his ads. But after seeing Hickey get elected to the WSL school board I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Lucas County voters elect her to stay in the position

posted by classylady on Jan 16, 2018 at 11:46:47 pm     #   1 person liked this

WLS does not equal Lucas County.

Two completely different dysfunctions. Equal only in profundity.

posted by justread on Jan 17, 2018 at 06:37:49 am     #   1 person liked this

I like Lindsay and wish her the best, but... OMG, this is a disaster, for her and for the LCDP.

I don't know when Webb faces an election campaign, but classylady is right: whoever runs against her will be shooting fish in a barrel. Lindsay's name will be dragged through the mud, and the party fails to retain a county office.

Josh Hughes needs to be a better leader, or just get out.

posted by Anniecski on Jan 17, 2018 at 09:19:38 am     #   2 people liked this

Josh Hughes needs to be a better leader, or just get out

As a democrat... 100% agree. He thinks he's a high school football coach, when he should be a thought leader, you know, big ideas. VERY disappointed in the LCDP leadership. The old guard and cronyism can't go away fast enough.

posted by ahmahler on Jan 17, 2018 at 09:27:53 am     #   2 people liked this

It's my understanding she'll serve the remainder of Wade's term and there will be no special election so we are stuck with her for three years.

I realize WSL doesn't represent all of the Lucas County voters, but we are talking about people who re-elected a mayor two different times who suggested moving deaf people to the airport area since they wouldn't hear the noise.

posted by classylady on Jan 17, 2018 at 10:59:45 am     #   1 person liked this

It's my understanding she'll serve the remainder of Wade's term and there will be no special election so we are stuck with her for three years.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

posted by justread on Jan 17, 2018 at 12:53:29 pm     #   3 people liked this

I don't know when Webb faces an election campaign

Nearly immediately, considering the vote is in early November of this year. There are essentially nine months remaining. It is the third week of Jan, and the election is the first week of Nov.

posted by justread on Jan 17, 2018 at 01:28:15 pm     #  

You know you're from Toledo when you pay a higher rate for a subprime county treasurer.

(rimshot)

posted by Columbusguy on Jan 17, 2018 at 03:13:40 pm     #   4 people liked this

Two things about the Blade article that really chapped my ass: 1) "...but for all intents and purposes I am the treasurer of the county." WTF!?! Did you not just resign the other day? How do you overnight go back through the process and ordain yourself queen moneybags??? Is there not a process? What if we don't want you?
2) "She declined to specify the premium rate." Translation: You peasants of the county need not worry about the added cost - my financial shortfalls, sloppy paperwork and overextending reach for power within my office are well worth the high rate, and you are too stupid to understand how all this works, so leave it to us cronies on the dole.

Nice hubris, Lindsay. It looks good on you next to that low credit score.

posted by filthyirishman on Jan 17, 2018 at 03:50:50 pm     #   8 people liked this

I would imagine the Blade is going to find out the amount of that premium even though she "declined to specify." She would be better off simply sharing that info now and taking her lumps instead of the inevitable follow up article that will highlight how much extra it is going to cost to have her bonded. If she had any class, she would eat the extra cost herself, at least for a little while. But I'm not holding my breath.

posted by Ace_Face on Jan 17, 2018 at 05:30:34 pm     #  

Anniecski posted at 09:19:38 AM on Jan 17, 2018:

I like Lindsay and wish her the best, but... OMG, this is a disaster, for her and for the LCDP.

I don't know when Webb faces an election campaign, but classylady is right: whoever runs against her will be shooting fish in a barrel. Lindsay's name will be dragged through the mud, and the party fails to retain a county office.

Josh Hughes needs to be a better leader, or just get out.

I see zero reason to believe she will not be elected in November. She's a sitting Democrat with the union behind her, has name recognition and even if the local Republican party had any brains or muscle, no voters that actually show up know surety bonds from Gold Bond.

posted by JoeyGee on Jan 17, 2018 at 06:25:10 pm     #  

from 13 ....
After reviewing her financials she was offered two bond quotes from companies: One for $10,000, a second for $25,000.

By comparison, Wade Kapszukiewicz was bonded at much less, $850, for the same $1-million surety bond.

Lindsay Webb says her commitment to the job makes were worth the extra expense. She told 13abc's Bill Hormann, "I'm confident that I can make it up to taxpayers in a short amount of time. There are ways that I will be able to achieve savings or do innovative projects as a result. So, I think it's a small price to pay to see a competent public servant in office."
But that's your tax dollars, an extra $9,150, this year alone.

Lucas County commissioner, Pete Gerken admits this is more expensive than the county has paid in the past.

But he says there's nothing the county can do about it.

When asked, "How can you justify the expense?", Gerken responded, "Because the Ohio Revised Code dictates that the commissioners secure the bond at any cost."

And Webb secured a bond, so all commissioners can do is choose the lesser expensive bond.

Webb says, "I want to dig in for awhile. I want to make a difference in public service as an elected servant."

The county treasurer makes $73,294 dollars a year according to the Ohio Secretary of State's office.

Last week, Lindsay Webb told reporter Hormann among her strengths for the job was campaigning and the ability to raise money to get Democrats elected.

The party unanimously endorsed her appointment for treasurer.

posted by justareviewer on Jan 17, 2018 at 06:33:44 pm     #   1 person liked this

Let's not forget the $10K she spent to replace the flagpole that a drunk TFD fireman destroyed at Phillips/Sylvania/Lewis. Why did the city settle for less than damages? Let's also not forget she was on council when they reopened the police station, a.k.a. Vehicle storage lot, on Sylvania at a cost of $240K when the original budget was $100k for a building that had only been closed a few years. And of course, we had to use part of those mysterious millions of dollars on the pools too instead of roads. But hey, the people in her district love her because she get's potholes and such repaired after calls to the proper department are ignored. My move from Toledo and Lucas county cannot happen soon enough.

posted by Erin on Jan 17, 2018 at 07:30:56 pm     #   3 people liked this

The job pays $80,807.

posted by justread on Jan 17, 2018 at 07:34:21 pm     #  

$10K for a $1 million bond is insane, that is 1 percent of the bond value. Why isn't a decent credit score a requirement for this job? Most accounting positions require the applicant to go through a background check and have a decent credit score in order to qualify.

Like others on here have said her opponent is going to have a field day. And now he or she has something else to add, that the taxpayers are footing over $9,000 more a year for a security bond due to her qualifications

posted by jamesteroh on Jan 17, 2018 at 07:39:05 pm     #  

At least she's consistent - her nonchalant indifference towards the taxpayer having to pay nearly 10 times what they would for a marginally fiscally competent person is no different than she treats her household finances, or how she treated the city's finances for that matter.

Enough of this crap. If we broke away from the water, can Waterville break away from the county too? I think there are about a half dozen townships and villages that have had enough of Petey, and Lindsay, and whatever Skeldon or Wozniak or some other leach using their name to avoid having to get a real job, or pay their student loans on time, or pass the bar, or...

Dammit I need a drink. Harrumph.

posted by filthyirishman on Jan 17, 2018 at 07:57:48 pm     #   1 person liked this

Erin posted at 07:30:56 PM on Jan 17, 2018:

Let's not forget the $10K she spent to replace the flagpole that a drunk TFD fireman destroyed at Phillips/Sylvania/Lewis. Why did the city settle for less than damages? Let's also not forget she was on council when they reopened the police station, a.k.a. Vehicle storage lot, on Sylvania at a cost of $240K when the original budget was $100k for a building that had only been closed a few years. And of course, we had to use part of those mysterious millions of dollars on the pools too instead of roads. But hey, the people in her district love her because she get's potholes and such repaired after calls to the proper department are ignored. My move from Toledo and Lucas county cannot happen soon enough.

I"m in her district, a registered Democrat, and can't stand her. I have voted against her every chance I could. As far as potholes and that lot, I never had my leaves picked up even though they City knew that the leaves fell later this year. I can't wait to clean up that soggy mess come warmer weather. Thanks, Linds!

posted by daddyg on Jan 18, 2018 at 10:13:28 am     #   1 person liked this

I"m in her district, a registered Democrat, and can't stand her.

And yet she won the last Council election with something like 70% of the vote.

If it isn't blindingly obvious by now, a hell of a lot of people with means and brains are voting with their feet and leaving Toledo to its own crapulence. The leftovers are displaying their true voting values--she's a (D) and we vote for (D) no matter what.

I have lots of posts on this site regarding her unfitness for office, stretching back to missing votes for "bathroom breaks", agreeing to vote for a budget bill without even reading it (that is an awesome insight into the character of a future Treasurer of a metropolitan area), her "substantially compliant" filing (HA!) for the election, and now this. She couldn't even be fucking honorable enough to "retire" to private life for a fucking year...just go away so we could "miss" you (and that would have WORKED for chrissakes)...no, couldn't do that and at least look honorable. She did the tried and true nature of her character--as shown in the election filing fiasco which also had to be "fixed". What nature is that?

"GIMME THAT IT'S MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE."

Morally reprehensible if you ask me. Sad for a former Catholic academy girl who obviously has lost any compass for right and wrong to raw machine politics.

posted by oldhometown on Jan 18, 2018 at 05:09:33 pm     #   4 people liked this

leaving Toledo

Leaving Lucas County.

posted by justread on Jan 18, 2018 at 07:04:27 pm     #   2 people liked this