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Adams St

I know its a work in progress, but it has been quite a few years now..... Im just not feeling it over there. Im starting to wonder if it will ever truly take off. I like Manhattens and Poco Loco real well.....but something just feels amiss when considering the area for a Saturday nite destination. It doesnt feel as walkable. The dark stretches between businesses dont help, thats for sure. Area in general still seems to be quite sketchy and perception is reality. Im not certain that it wouldve been better for all of the investment to have went to a bigger, broader, Warehouse District, which for all intents and purposes, is what Adams St currently can only hope to become....but without the benefit of an arena and a baseball stadium.
Why why WHY the city of Toledo still does not make proper (and decorative) lighting a priority for all of downtown, Adams, and Warehouse District, is beyond me.
Caveat: Part of my thinking may be skewed based upon my experiences as an Uber driver....riders from The Attic were BY FAR (and consistently) the worst in Toledo. Millenial hipster bullshit factory. good god, I thought it was just an internet invention. But no, they truly exist.

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Keep in mind Uptown is literally 20 years behind the warehouse district as far as progress and organization is concerned.

posted by upso on Jan 29, 2018 at 12:26:19 pm     #  

Caveat: Part of my thinking may be skewed based upon my experiences as an Uber driver....riders from The Attic were BY FAR (and consistently) the worst in Toledo. Millenial hipster bullshit factory.

I crave some enlightenment. What made riders from The Attic (a bar in the downtown area?) far worse than other riders?

What is a millennial hipster bullshit factory, or maybe just a millennial hipster?

Living in a cave the way I do, I'm not familiar with the terms or the place.

posted by madjack on Jan 29, 2018 at 12:59:44 pm     #  

Bulldog, what do you recommend at Poco Loco? I keep meaning to go there but don't live nearby so I forget about it.

We liked Manhattans, too, but I never get the urge to go to that neighborhood. I think you're right about something being missing but I can't put my finger on it.

posted by viola on Jan 29, 2018 at 10:32:06 pm     #  

Karen Poore (one of Wades deputies) was the guest speaker at the Warehouse District meeting this month and someone told her that if we want to make downtown/the warehouse district more pedestrian friendly and safe something had to be done about lighting. Weight limits for trucks is also a subject that comes up a lot.

For Poco Loco my favorite dishes are the Chicken Chorizo or the Quesedilla Loco with shredded chicken or the Cuban sandwich with Yuka at night time. I love their lunch buffet during the week

posted by jamesteroh on Jan 29, 2018 at 10:42:22 pm     #  

The shrimp cozumel is pretty good at Poco Loco

posted by Hoops on Jan 30, 2018 at 07:45:46 am     #  

The Poco Loco pork carnitas street tacos with a little squeeze of lime are probably my favorite tacos in town. (San Marcos' lengua tacos would be a close second)

posted by Johio83 on Jan 30, 2018 at 09:02:55 am     #  

Normally I'm not into fajitas but Poco Loco's Jalapeno Chicken Fajitas are incredible. The opposite of healthy, but incredible.

posted by idinspired on Jan 30, 2018 at 09:17:42 am     #  

I think Adams Street is at a moment where it will either continue to grow, or begin to contract. Nearly all of the storefronts from the Library to Ashland are occupied, with many good restaurants, bars, and shops. The streetscape - sidewalks, curbs, lighting etc all throughout downtown, the WD, and Uptown need to be replaced. The infrastructure in Uptown is particularly poor. I think the key will be to see in two years whether any new construction will be planned along Adams Street. The challenge for Adams is that it is surrounded by almost nothing - the Warren Sherman neighborhood to the east is mostly vacant, as are the Uptown streets to the west. Eventually the goal will be to connect Adams with the Old West End, but there's little going on along Collingwood, and Ashland hasn't even begun to redevelop. I think it will take some targeted city investment in that area to continue the momentum. I moved to Central Toledo in part because Adams Street is picking up, and I frequent the businesses there, so I hope others will continue to do so. I was in Claro Coffee this morning around 830am and there were only five people there, three were employees.

posted by swampprof on Jan 30, 2018 at 10:03:49 am     #  

viola posted at 10:32:06 PM on Jan 29, 2018:

Bulldog, what do you recommend at Poco Loco? I keep meaning to go there but don't live nearby so I forget about it.

We liked Manhattans, too, but I never get the urge to go to that neighborhood. I think you're right about something being missing but I can't put my finger on it.

Please god dont let this devolve into yet another unitended mexican food thread.....but the tacos at Poco Loco, despite not being freshly fried corn tortillas, was outstanding. Its the seasoned meat. Damn good.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jan 30, 2018 at 11:30:05 am     #  

Everything I've had at Poco Loco is great. The lunch buffet is a great way to sample a lot of their food.

They have a good dipping sauce for the Yuka you can get from the buffet that isn't available at dinner.

I agree about the Jalepeno Fajitas. They have the filling on the lunch buffet and I like to use them in a taco shell or the taco salad shell for the filling.

I hope the rumors of the old owner of Pulse buying Bretz and planning on making it into an "urban" bar are false or if they are true the other owners of bars on Adams Street put up a good fight and contest them getting their liquor license approved. Businesses like Poco Loco and Wesley's have really improved the Uptown area and seeing Bretz is still in the entertainment district, if that kind of establishment does open up I can see how it could cause Poco Loco and OT problems.

posted by jamesteroh on Jan 30, 2018 at 11:35:00 am     #  

Please stop.

posted by Molsonator on Jan 30, 2018 at 11:44:04 am     #   1 person liked this

Found the name of the new morgagee. Not sure who owned Pulse but from looking at other things this guy is involved in he might be bringing somethibg good to the place.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 30, 2018 at 11:55:44 am     #  

MadJack: I googled and blatantly stole this info from mashable about millennial hipsters and a group being called "yuccies" [young urban creatives]:

The Millennial Hipster motto seems to be "You deserve to make a living being yourself. Your ideas are valuable. Follow your dreams.

Leaving the rat race for a more fulfilling alternative is a well-worn fantasy in American culture, but the opportunities yuccies are chasing now are more abstract than ever. When you grow up watching the Internet king-make an entirely new type of elite, it’s impossible not to take a moonshot yourself.

Ten years ago, “yuccies” might have been “hipsters.” Remember hipsters? Trust fund motorcycle mechanics, rustic barnwood reclaimers... In hipsterism, you can see the development of yuccie hallmarks: DIY entrepreneurship, niche marketing, ability to leverage new technology, etc.

But these days, the hipster — the real hipster, not the bullshit marketing facsimile that still dominates advertising today — is dead. He’s traded warehouse parties for yoga retreats; she’s become a tool of corporate marketing shilling compact cars and fast food. The conspicuous consumption that once set hipsters apart — American Spirits instead of Marlboros, iPhones instead of flip phones, pork belly instead of bacon — has gone mainstream. Hipster is generic."

I don't know how this translates into bar/restaurant behavior.

But I do see an enduring trend in American life to use insulting and disparaging language when describing groups to whom the writer does not belong. Just like back in high school :)

posted by viola on Jan 30, 2018 at 12:28:22 pm     #   2 people liked this

In_vin_veritas posted at 11:55:44 AM on Jan 30, 2018:

Found the name of the new morgagee. Not sure who owned Pulse but from looking at other things this guy is involved in he might be bringing somethibg good to the place.

Who is it?

posted by ckbeats21 on Jan 30, 2018 at 01:07:01 pm     #  

In_vin_veritas posted at 11:55:44 AM on Jan 30, 2018:

Found the name of the new morgagee. Not sure who owned Pulse but from looking at other things this guy is involved in he might be bringing somethibg good to the place.

Who is it?

posted by ckbeats21 on Jan 30, 2018 at 01:07:06 pm     #  

ckbeats21 posted at 01:07:06 PM on Jan 30, 2018:
In_vin_veritas posted at 11:55:44 AM on Jan 30, 2018:

Found the name of the new morgagee. Not sure who owned Pulse but from looking at other things this guy is involved in he might be bringing somethibg good to the place.

Who is it?

I prefer to leave people that made an effort to be anonymous that way. Even if it cab be found out ib avout 5 minutes online. That being said I only know who bought the building what business goes in there can be totally different.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 30, 2018 at 01:16:07 pm     #  

Huh. I'm having trouble finding it - usual sources just result in a title agency for me having bought it from the previous owner. Ah well, curiosity will have to wait.

posted by endcycle on Jan 30, 2018 at 02:29:02 pm     #  

Pretty reliable sources have let me know this church bought Bretz: http://www.gthop.org/
Which is a bummer, as it's a real insult to the community they are displacing. This church is very anti-gay: http://www.gthop.org/pdf/biblical-lifestyle-sexuality-marriage-gender-and-human-life-statements-of-belief.pdf

Fascinating times we live in!

posted by upso on Jan 30, 2018 at 03:19:47 pm     #  

It's being held in trust. How can someone other than the title holder (trustee) mortgage it?

posted by classylady on Jan 30, 2018 at 03:33:57 pm     #  

And why on earth would a church want the Bretz building????

posted by classylady on Jan 30, 2018 at 03:36:29 pm     #  

I have no idea about who owned Bretz or who the new buyer is, but real estate is a two-to-tango industry. You can only buy what someone is willing to sell. I assume Bretz was only leasing space, and said lease must either have been up without an option, or very short term (month-to-month, etc).

posted by Johio83 on Jan 30, 2018 at 03:36:38 pm     #  

Molsonator posted at 11:44:04 AM on Jan 30, 2018:

Please stop.

I'll just do it until I need glasses.

posted by madjack on Jan 30, 2018 at 04:49:17 pm     #  

The Millennial Hipster motto seems to be "You deserve to make a living being yourself. Your ideas are valuable. Follow your dreams.

Last time I tried following one of my dreams around, she threatened to take out a restraining order. I think if I had any money left, she would have taken a different attitude.

But I do see an enduring trend in American life to use insulting and disparaging language when describing groups to whom the writer does not belong. Just like back in high school

Yeah, ain't that the truth. Thanks Vi.

posted by madjack on Jan 30, 2018 at 04:53:11 pm     #  

classylady posted at 03:36:29 PM on Jan 30, 2018:

And why on earth would a church want the Bretz building????

To close the business down. The easiest way for a church to shut down a business is to buy it, or buy the building. Think in terms of a Temperance Group (MADD, maybe?) buying out a bar or a liquor store. They don't want the liquor license, they want to close the place down.

I followed the links provided by Upso, and if you're willing to read and nose around a little you'll discover that they are a group of Christians where everyone is welcome.

Ah, that is to say, unless you're a member of a select few groups of people that are safe for good christians to hate, in which case - you're not all that welcome. Hey, nobody's perfect, right? It's just that some are a little more perfect than others.

The real Christian church welcomes everyone, knowing up front that we all commit sins every single day. We all need help, we are all equally valuable in the Lord's eyes.

Now me, I drink. (waits for the laughter to subside) The sky pilots at my last church started out sober and tolerant. That is to say that they didn't take a drink, but if someone else did, that was their own business. Just don't get hammered. By the time I showed them what the back of my collar looked like, they had disallowed drinking alcohol entirely, and were working their way up to card playing, dancing, and theater going. They were also placing people under 'church discipline', which is not very charitable.

These friendly folks are no better, nor worse. But I believe they cheerfully discriminate, and they aren't really happy until they can find someone to stare at while gazing down their proboscis.

posted by madjack on Jan 30, 2018 at 05:17:30 pm     #   1 person liked this

According to Nick Komives facebook page that church did buy Bretz. Not sure what they are going to do with the space but if a city councilman is posting the info on his facebook page it's probably accurate. According to some posts on Nicks page that same church has connections to Rustbelt coffee.

The owner of the business also owned the building. Since it's held in trust I am hoping she wasn't aware of the buyer and didn't sell out the LGBT community.

posted by jamesteroh on Jan 30, 2018 at 09:01:14 pm     #  

But I do see an enduring trend in American life to use insulting and disparaging language when describing groups to whom the writer does not belong. Just like back in high school :)

I don't think this is unfair, Viola. I get your point. And it's not just name calling. Pejorativitism is a style now.

But I think an enduring trend in good writing, especially in the various forms of descriptive writing, is to use colorful names and references to people and/or characters and can be more of a device of imagery than an expression of disdain. In literature such as poetry, archetypes and stereotypes can preserve the economy and precision of language. If the context is clever, smart and exceedingly funny... I'm gonna allow it. This is for example, why I enjoy reading madjack, and only rarely squirm.

Still... having said that, I wouldn't discuss the word "hipster" with a bunch of people who live in gentrified neighborhoods wearing authentic yet used clothing while sipping obscure craft beers. I would talk about my old Vespa.

(Editors note: there is no old Vespa. It can be a Honda Dream if it needs to be.)

posted by justread on Jan 31, 2018 at 06:25:01 am     #   4 people liked this

"Pejorativitism is a style now." JR needs to put in a google button handy for those of us with shit for brains. Only letters behind my name are smh having gone to the Robert Conrad School of Rough and Tumble. Hope the eggheads are careful during the winter season to avoid a slip and fall. There is no one to file suit against. All in gentle jabbin' and good humor.

posted by Mariner on Jan 31, 2018 at 08:16:17 am     #   1 person liked this

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. ~Eleanor Roosevelt

Unfortunately a larg part of society has lost the ability to discuss ideas with anyone who's ideas differ from them, so they must lower them self to obly discussing people.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 31, 2018 at 09:20:08 am     #   2 people liked this

Really great minds discuss Mexican restaurants with people whose ideas differ from them.

posted by justread on Jan 31, 2018 at 01:20:46 pm     #   1 person liked this

Toledo Reddit is now saying IHOP bought Bretz and is associated with Claro Coffee. Claro coffee is asc. With First Alliance and Rust Belt is with Life Chapel none of which to my knowledge is associated with IHOP

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 31, 2018 at 01:58:23 pm     #   1 person liked this

justread posted at 01:20:46 PM on Jan 31, 2018:

Really great minds discuss Mexican restaurants with people whose ideas differ from them.

Really REALLY really great minds discuss Mexican restaurants while eating at Mexican restaurants and drinking Mexican drinks while speaking Mexic.... uhhh... shit. Spanish. That fell apart.

posted by endcycle on Jan 31, 2018 at 02:17:03 pm     #   1 person liked this

endcycle posted at 02:17:03 PM on Jan 31, 2018:
justread posted at 01:20:46 PM on Jan 31, 2018:

Really great minds discuss Mexican restaurants with people whose ideas differ from them.

Really REALLY really great minds discuss Mexican restaurants while eating at Mexican restaurants and drinking Mexican drinks while speaking Mexic.... uhhh... shit. Spanish. That fell apart.

Latin would have been funny. :)

posted by justread on Jan 31, 2018 at 02:37:32 pm     #  

justread posted at 02:37:32 PM on Jan 31, 2018:
endcycle posted at 02:17:03 PM on Jan 31, 2018:
justread posted at 01:20:46 PM on Jan 31, 2018:

Really great minds discuss Mexican restaurants with people whose ideas differ from them.

Really REALLY really great minds discuss Mexican restaurants while eating at Mexican restaurants and drinking Mexican drinks while speaking Mexic.... uhhh... shit. Spanish. That fell apart.

Latin would have been funny. :)

And those with the acumen to participate in a symposium involving antique Vespa scooters, passé clothing, and excursive orations on other provocative social topics would rather be quietly drinking tequila and contemplating the new millennial, the fate of the bit coin, and the cost of four implants.

Dan? Dan, is that really you?

posted by madjack on Jan 31, 2018 at 06:05:24 pm     #  

I had lunch with a good friend who is gay this afternoon and he said that IHOP doesn't own Rustbelt but they have ties with the church affiliated with it. He also has no knowledge or Claro being homophobic even though they have ties with a church and said they had a special drink during gay pride last year. He reminded me that not all churches are like IHOP and he attends services regularly and that a pastor owns Black Cloister bar.

He told me that the staging point for the parade that goes down Adams has always been at Bretz. He is hoping they still line up there and seeing it's in the open container area that it would be a hoot if a lot of gay people bought cocktails from nearby bars and enjoyed a cocktail on their sidewalk waiving gay pride flags and wearing gay pride t-shirts as the parade passes by.

I could see them prohibiting parking in their parking lot but don't know how they could stop people from congregating on their sidewalk to watch the parade with an entertainment district open container.

posted by classylady on Jan 31, 2018 at 09:30:35 pm     #  

...and said they had a special drink during gay pride last year.

A pink squirrel?

posted by madjack on Jan 31, 2018 at 10:31:16 pm     #