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Serial killer could be released in Toledo on Tuesday

The thought that a serial killer in Toledo could be released on Tuesday and walk among us and our children is disgusting. Prosecutor really screwed this up! The story in The Blade:

http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/2018/02/09/Time-s-up-Cook-brother-does-20-years-for-heinous-Toledo-killing-spree.html

created by bikerdude on Feb 12, 2018 at 08:38:17 pm
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I'm very uneasy about him being on the streets. A criminal let that should be locked away for life. I'm sure he'll be committing crimes within a month of being released and I hope Julia doesn't let him slide so easy this time.

The guy appears to show no remorse and I never remembered hearing him apologizing to the victims families. I'd be really scared if I were the victims families having that animal on the loose.

According to the most recent article on the Blades site they are asking for as many restrictions as possible including electronic monitoring and drug testing.

Doesn't the Blade continue to endorse her? I remember when Mellissa Hurtstrum was murdered by Hodges and there was a plea bargain to manslaughter and Hodges was able to avoid the death penalty but received life in prison and the Blade all but demanded Tony Pizza and Judith Lazinger resign as prosecutor and judge. I also remember the Blade not only endorsing Lazingers opponent but the day before election day running a front page story about Lazinger allowing the plea bargain (which the victims family agreed to in advance).

posted by classylady on Feb 12, 2018 at 09:08:53 pm     #  

Please don't post the whole story.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Feb 12, 2018 at 09:55:35 pm     #   1 person liked this

Nolan_Rosenkrans posted at 09:55:35 PM on Feb 12, 2018:

Please don't post the whole story.

yeah, link to the article. posting it all is weird. that said, not excited about this!

posted by upso on Feb 12, 2018 at 11:55:03 pm     #  

Multiple murderer, serial child rapist.

Same amount of prison time as the guy who killed two fireman in arson and well, Tom Noe.

posted by justread on Feb 13, 2018 at 04:35:32 am     #  

I can't believe how light of a jail term the guy that killed two firemen got.

A lot of pleas don't make sense. People get DUI's and don't get fined much more than people get for speeding.

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 10:36:56 am     #  

classylady posted at 10:36:56 AM on Feb 13, 2018:

I can't believe how light of a jail term the guy that killed two firemen got.

A lot of pleas don't make sense. People get DUI's and don't get fined much more than people get for speeding.

The jail term in the Ray Abu Arab case was especially low because an experienced professional witness said something on the stand that blew the trial.

posted by justread on Feb 13, 2018 at 10:43:51 am     #  

I didn't remember a witness blowing the trial but I don't recall much about it. A witness can end up helping out the opposing side. I think of the George Zimmerman trial and the prosecutions key witness, Rachel Jeantel. That girl really blew the trial and ended up being a better witness for the defense than the prosecution who she was to be the key witness for.

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 10:54:34 am     #  

Better lock up your Lucky Charms.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 13, 2018 at 11:58:49 am     #  

Does anyone know, are the Cook bros. from this area? Do they have family here? My husband actually worked with Nathaniel at Burlington Express.
I feel horrible for the families of their victims. And hate to think what would I do, if Nathaniel ended up living close to my home or my work...Move? Can't think his life on the outside could be all that great. Who would hire him, be his "friend". Could be very lonely, which I would think would not help his situation....Envision all the looks/stares he would get, wherever he goes....Definitely not a good thing......

posted by llz on Feb 13, 2018 at 01:11:41 pm     #  

I'm sure he has plenty of friends but not the type of people law-abiding citizens on the outside would associate with. And there's a good possibility quite a few of them are in the big house or dead or left Toledo.

He is better of moving to an area where he isn't known and hope to find some employer that doesn't do background checks. Even if he can find an employer that doesn't do background checks he'll be stuck in a low paying entry level job with no work experience.

Can they place a restriction on him that he can't affiliate with other known felons? If that is the case he probably will have no friends. Hopefully he has family to stay with otherwise he will have no way of paying rent and no one locally that knows his history will rent to him.

He may resort to crime just to survive since he'll have no money for food, shelter, etc.

If I owned a business and he came in I would ask him to leave so I wouldn't scare off other customers.

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 02:25:24 pm     #  

Hopefully he has family to stay with

I heard Standart Lofts. :)

posted by justread on Feb 13, 2018 at 03:02:43 pm     #   2 people liked this

He's beginning to sound like a good fit for local govrnm employ. Couny Tres. office perhaps.

posted by Mariner on Feb 13, 2018 at 03:55:31 pm     #   1 person liked this

I'd be really scared if I were the victims families having that animal on the loose.

Not sure the fear should only be on family members of victims; I think others should be just as concerned although it does appear as though the other brother was the instigator and this guy just went along. (just my reading of the article).

posted by not_me on Feb 13, 2018 at 04:51:30 pm     #   1 person liked this

not_me, you're right about the defense saying he was influenced by his brother and just went along. I don't agree with that explanation, though. He wasn't a child when he raped and murdered a 12-year-old girl, and admitted to murdering others as well. He was an adult. I wonder what 12-year-old Dawn Backes' mother thinks about his release. Dawn was her ownly child. He admitted he brutally raped her, beat her, and hit her over the head with a cinder block that killed her. He'll probably get his name changed and nobody will be the wiser until he starts causing problems again. Did he even apologize to the victims' families? I doubt it.

posted by bikerdude on Feb 13, 2018 at 07:16:53 pm     #  

I don't understand the reference to Standart Lofts

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 09:17:13 pm     #  

I don't understand the reference to Standart Lofts

posted by classylady on Feb 13, 2018 at 09:17:16 pm     #  

Right or wrong plea deal was made 20 years ago, you can't go back on it now. Yeah it was bad but a deal is a deal.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Feb 13, 2018 at 09:44:45 pm     #   1 person liked this

Meh. The Cook Brothers arent even as feared and hated as thte Koch Brothers.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 14, 2018 at 09:34:36 am     #   1 person liked this

I don't understand the reference to Standart Lofts

Me neither. What's up with this?

posted by Anniecski on Feb 14, 2018 at 11:24:16 am     #  

BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:34:36 AM on Feb 14, 2018:

Meh. The Cook Brothers arent even as feared and hated as thte Koch Brothers.

They've killed a lot less people.

posted by SensorG on Feb 14, 2018 at 11:34:15 am     #   3 people liked this

Dawn was a very sweet and kind 12 year old girl. If you are unfamiliar with the details of what occurred I would ask that you please be courteous to family members and friends of the victims who may read this. It is not a joking matter nor a thread to make political jests.

posted by Danneskjold on Feb 14, 2018 at 12:24:50 pm     #   1 person liked this

Periodically we all need insensitivities pointed out to us. Apology and a prayer for those who have had a loss. Thks Danneskjold for the heads up.

posted by Mariner on Feb 14, 2018 at 05:42:48 pm     #   1 person liked this

Mariner posted at 05:42:48 PM on Feb 14, 2018:

Periodically we all need insensitivities pointed out to us. Apology and a prayer for those who have had a loss. Thks Danneskjold for the heads up.

Ditto. Im a knucklehead.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 15, 2018 at 09:26:19 am     #  

Justread, could you tell me what the reference to Standart Lofts is about???? Does he have family living there?????

posted by classylady on Feb 15, 2018 at 10:23:05 am     #  

According to the Blade article Jenkins, the presiding judge could refuse to grant the release since the deal was agreed by her predecessor who is now retired but Bates doesn't want to renege on the deal.

I was always under the assumption that a plea bargain was binding. I don't wan tot see this guy out on the streets but as long as he didn't violate the terms of the plea deal I would think they would be forced to allow him out.

It sounds like his lawyer has issues with him being required to be registered as a sex offender. Seeing he only received twenty years and the nature of his past crimes, regisitering as a sex offender and reporting his address every three to six months is more than a fair condition of his release

posted by classylady on Feb 15, 2018 at 10:37:18 am     #  

Sometimes the only options in an awful situation is to make the “Best Bad Decision.” Unfortunately, that is exactly what the circumstances dictated when a plea deal was arranged. For many families and friends the arrangement provided relief and answers at a time where there were many unresolved questions. That said, any monitoring or restrictions that can be lawfully arranged have to be implemented period! This is a sick and brutal killer who “was” (hopefully past tense) consumed with hate.

As painful as all this is … and it really irks me to be on the side that has to face this reality…. The Law, for the sake of its people has honor it’s commitments.

posted by Danneskjold on Feb 15, 2018 at 12:17:15 pm     #   1 person liked this

Well....he filed :(

posted by llz on Feb 15, 2018 at 04:14:34 pm     #  

Interesting editorial in today's Blade. It appears Julia Bates has no issues releasing an admitted serial killer after just 20 years but has no issues with keeping someone wrongfully in prison for longer:
http://www.toledoblade.com/Editorials/2018/02/16/The-law-is-mocked.html

posted by classylady on Feb 17, 2018 at 06:12:22 pm     #  

C Lady, I think you and several others here really should read the book written about the Cook brothers. Avoid Amazon and buy it directly from the publisher.

https://outskirtspress.com/frankstiles

Lucas County library has copies too, but you'll have to wait for it.

http://encore.toledolibrary.org/iii/encore/search/C__Sfrank%20stiles__Orightresult__U?lang=eng&suite=cobalt

I don't expect the Blade to again mention that the Cook brothers' murders absolutely were racially motivated. Mainstream media seems to regularly avoid highlighting blacks murdering whites. Detective Stiles' book mentions it with detail.

Knowing one of the investigating detectives from TPD, along with my mother knowing Sharon Backes, I've heard plenty about these are disgusting individuals. My mother still sometimes mentions Dawn's murder.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 18, 2018 at 10:19:05 am     #  

Struggling with depression and a hard life, Anthony experienced the trauma guns can cause when he shot himself while attempting suicide at age 16. He survived his self-inflicted gunshot wound and later in life went on to inflict pain and suffering on others.

It has been many years since I read Evil Brothers, so I had forgotten about his attempted suicide. What a shame he wasn't successful.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 18, 2018 at 10:25:00 am     #   1 person liked this

Evil Brothers is a popular book. Amazon is out of the hard back and there is a two month shipping time for the paperback book.

I also feel they were racially motivated murders. If it would have been two white brothers and all their victims were African American I'm sure the murderes would have been treated as hate crimes. I believe at the time of the trial Floyd Rose was still in Toledo and I am sure he would have never put up with a 20 year jail term

posted by classylady on Feb 18, 2018 at 08:45:58 pm     #  

I went to the library website and I would be number 16 for four copies available for Evil Brothers. They have eight copies but four are for library use only. Not sure why so many are only for library use.

Amazon has it for prime but with a long back order.

Outskirt wants over $9 for the shipping.

B&N has it on their website and only wants $3.95 for the shipping and I called the Monroe Street store and they have a few copies in stock and are holding one so if someone wants to read it I'd recommend B&N. Even if you want to mail order it B&N has it in stock and the shipping is a lot more reasonable and if you have a B&N card you get free priority shipping and save another 10 percent.

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 19, 2018 at 11:19:33 am     #  

I knew Dawn, her mother, and stepfather. They lived down the street from me and my family. I remember when she was a little girl riding her tricycle down the sidewalk, stopping occasionally to watch the older kids play catch in the street. When she got older, she started babysitting some of the neighbors' kids. She was still very shy and just an all-around good kid. She and a group of friends had been dropped off at a teen club that night. Her ride home left without her, and her purse had been stolen. So she had no way to use a pay phone. She decided to make the walk herself - down Secor and then Bancroft. Cook says he abducted her in front of UT, so she was just a few blocks from home. I remember how thick the fog was that night, as well as the rest of the week. When she was reported missing, I knew she hadn't run away. I wish she had known it was OK to walk into McDonalds, or some other place that was open, and ask to use the phone. I know what Cook did to her that was not reported in the media. It was unspeakable! Yet this piece of shit gets to walk our streets again after just 20 years in prison. You could say that the plea was necessary so that other families could find out what happened to their loved ones, but it still doesn't make it right.

posted by bikerdude on Feb 19, 2018 at 08:01:50 pm     #   1 person liked this