Along with a boatload of other states. It's the latest con state politicians are selling to its citizens. What happened to the computer or information technology economy? And 30 years ago, wasn't nuclear power suppose to be some kind of answer to our energy needs? And 30 years ago, solar power was suppose to do something too. And now the answer to saving Ohio's economy and providing alternative energy is wind? Only if the hot air being spewed by the politicians can be harnessed.
Ohio has a lot of coal. Dirty coal. That's why the mines were shutdown over 20 years ago because it was cheaper to ship cleaner coal from the western states than to clean Ohio coal. But one or two mines in eastern Ohio have reopened recently, and the coal is being shipped to China.
Technology could be used to clean Ohio's coal, but it would drive up the cost of energy use for the consumer. Don't get the idea that putting up some wind propellers will lower energy costs. We'll have an eyesore on the land and no change in our electric bills except for the usual increase in electric costs. Meanwhile, Ohio coal will support the growth of China.
Maybe that's where Ohio's economy future really is: deep shaft coal mining that feeds China.
April 2007 story
Ohio's greatest wind potential is where its lagging manufacturing base is: in northeast Ohio and along the Lake Erie shore. Bowser said wind developers from Germany, Spain and elsewhere are swarming Ohio looking to position their turbines - and experience in states already using wind energy, such as Texas and California, shows that prices have not spiked.
"Where they want to put up wind turbines, they also want the manufacturing of those turbines to be very nearby because it saves on transportation costs," she said. "These things are enormous and very expensive to ship."
Ralph DiNicola, a spokesman for utility giant FirstEnergy Corp., said consumers seem to be demanding more alternative sources of energy, and his company has contracted for 300 megawatts of wind energy. But he cautioned that wind and solar power can serve only a fraction of the state's energy needs.
"You start doing the numbers on how many windmills would equal 2,000 megawatts of output and you'd cover the state," he said.
He said the visual impact of windmills and the fact that they generate most of their power during fall and spring, when demand is low, are issues that advocates must address. "If a state decides to move in that direction, that's a societal question," he said. "I think what we would object to would be subsidizing alternative energy. In Ohio, generation is not a regulated aspect of the utility industry."
A study by The Renewable Energy Project found that if there is a national investment in wind power - which experts believe will happen soon - Ohio has the chance to gain 22,000 new manufacturing jobs. The 13,000 of those jobs associated with wind power is the largest potential job gain from the industry of any state besides California. The gain pales in comparison to Ohio's manufacturing job losses - 234,000 since early 1998, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.Coal stories
http://www.economist.com/world/na/PrinterFriendly.cfm?story_id=9370371
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-07-05-cal-energy_x.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2006-12-12-coal-usat_x.htm
Toledo scam
Jul 10, 2007 Blade story City, UT look to 'green' energy
Yeah, that's right. Propose alternatives to what others are using.
In France, 80% of their electrical energy comes from nuclear power.
So even though we have a nuclear power plant in our backyard, we need to find an alternative to what France is using so well.
Due to the population boom in the western U.S. states, dozens of new coal-fired power plants are planned for construction.
From a Jul 6, 2007 comment at the old version of Toledo Talk:
"California's policy targets plants that would burn the West's abundant coal to produce electricity. The region has at least a 250-year supply of recoverable coal, according to federal estimates, concentrated largely in Wyoming, Montana, New Mexico and Colorado."
"Conventional coal-fired plants belch tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Technologies that pulverize coal, turn it into a slurry and convert it to gas before burning it have the potential to capture and dispose of carbon dioxide. Those technologies raise the price of coal-generated power by about 10% a kilowatt-hour."
"However, none of the 31 new coal-fired plants planned in the West, including at least 10 that intend to sell power to California, would employ those new technologies. Environmentalists worry about more than California. They predict the biggest resurgence in new coal plant construction in the region's history to satisfy Phoenix, Las Vegas, Denver, Salt Lake City and other booming metro markets."
Dec 12, 2006 USA Today story:
"A much smaller group of utilities are building a new type of coal "gasification" plant that emits fewer pollutants and can be more easily retrofitted with equipment to trap carbon dioxide before it's released. Of roughly 150 coal-fired plants being proposed by utilities — what would be the biggest wave since the 1970s — only about a dozen are cleaner gasification plants."In decaying states like Ohio that are overtaxed and losing population, alternative energy research is the rave. It's a scam used to convince the citizens that Ohio's economic future has a future.
Research has shown that fuel from corn and soybeans will do little if anything to help the environment because the process is to energy intensive. Hempoline is apparently a much better alternative to corn and soybean-based fuels, but since using hemp makes too much sense, that's why government won't act on it.
People glum onto the idea of promoting alternative energy without doing any research.
From a Jan 2004 comment at the old version of Toledo Talk:
According to the book Global Warming and Other Eco Myths, "Global fossil fuel supplies are in no near-term danger of being depleted, and a single 555-megawatt natural gas power plant produces more electricity than 13,000 windmills."
Georgia Democrat Senator Zell Miller suggests in his book, "The only way out of this dark valley is a broad-based energy policy that has a strong focus on conservation and efficiency. We should increase America's investment in domestic energy production. We need new technology that will produce clean coal energy."On Jul 14, 2005 at the old version of Toledo Talk, a commenter suggested :
From a Jun 19, 2006 Toledo Blade article
Although wind power bills itself as ecologically superior to nuclear power, Ohio's top bald eagle researcher calls the wind industry "a tremendous eater of land." "It would take [almost] 600 turbines to replace Davis-Besse," said Mark Shieldcastle, of the Ohio Department of Natural Resources' Crane Creek Wildlife Research Station in Ottawa County. "You're talking 10 times as much land use and habitat as a nuclear plant."
Mr. Shieldcastle isn't sold on wind as a technology. "It's not the green energy the propaganda machine is purporting," Mr. Shieldcastle said, citing the amount of energy necessary for production of wind turbines and the amount of oil needed for lubricating turbine blades.
Being the shallowest part of the Great Lakes and in close proximity to electrical transmission lines, Toledo could become attractive to wind industry developers, Ms. Seymour said.
But Toledo is also in the heart of one of North America's most valuable flyways for migratory birds. That, plus the cost of obtaining offshore permits, could dissuade developers, she said.
While land-based turbines are more practical, offshore turbines benefit from stronger winds. Wildlife advocates are fighting to keep the near-shore from becoming a compromise. They want turbines prohibited within three miles of Lake Erie's shoreline. Putting them farther out into the lake, however, would likely be a problem for maritime shippers.Yes, let's blight the beautiful Lake Erie landscape and harm the environment while were at it and still enjoy no reduction in electricity costs and see little to no energy independence. It's bad enough with the damn cell towers dotting the landscape.
6% by 2020? Is that assuming no old homes add air conditioning and no one else moves to the western states? This is a solution? Right now, over 50% of our energy comes from coal.
