Excerpts from an Aug 11, 2007 Joe Kidd press release posted at the Glass City Jungle titled Joe Kidd’s Ride with the Toledo Police
With the Perrysburg murders on my mind, last night I rode along with uniformed officers of the Toledo Police Department as they responded to calls in south Toledo. I was impressed by their sense of commitment to the city, to make it a safer, better place to live. And I came away from my experience certain of only one thing: we must make Toledo Police the first priority of city government.
A City where residents feel secure in their persons and property is a place where people will want to live. A city where businesses do not have to fear the theft of their livelihood is a place where people will want to invest. To improve the quality of our lives, to make us safer, and to encourage investment in our city, I propose that we take the following steps to get more police on the street with the tools they need to prevent and respond to crime:
Read the rest at the GCJ.
Excerpts from an Aug 7, 2007 Toledo Journal story titled Are zealous police falsifying charges?
DeAndre Ware Jr.’s biggest problem might be that he wasn’t a young white man leaning against his car, talking on his cell phone, on a street in the suburbs. Instead, the 19-year-old African American was leaning against his car parked on the central city’s Foster Avenue, a street constantly patrolled by police and where seemingly every person seen by police is suspected of drug selling or buying.
Police pulled up alongside Mr. Ware at about 9 p.m. on July 30, arrested and cuffed him, then searched his car. With no drugs or other contraband to be found, officers Eric Board and Charles LeRoux decided to get something for their efforts and charged the young man with loitering.
Mr. Ware isn’t the typical young man living on Foster, a low-income neighborhood. His good grades and athletic ability earned him acceptance at St. John’s Jesuit High School. After graduating, he enrolled at the University of Toledo, where he is a sophomore majoring in construction engineering. Mr. Ware also is a member of the UT Rockets’ football team, a redshirt freshman runningback. The 5-foot-8, 180-pound ball carrier is currently No. 5 on the depth chart for his position, UT’s sports information department said.
Ms. Ware said her son “has never been in trouble” with the police. Toledo Municipal Court records show he had only a traffic citation, issued last April, on his record, a court administrator said. The citation was “off docket,” or dismissed, she said.
Mr. Ware said he was tossing a football with a friend in an empty lot before his July 30 encounter with police. His friend went inside to use the bathroom and he heard his cell phone ring in the car. As he retrieved the phone, he saw a car coming up the street followed by a patrol car. The first car went by but the cops stopped alongside him, he said. He said one of the two officers told him, “You can’t be on the street. It’s against the law to be on the street.”
His mother said everyone living on Foster realizes there’s drug activity. But she said police seem to treat everybody with suspicion and/or take delight in harassing people. Young people have been ordered off porches and then charged with walking in roadway, she said. Police use the MF-word with young teens, she said. She was recently stopped by an officer because loud sound allegedly was coming out of her factory-installed stereo, she said. “Always harassing us. They do it all day, every day,” Ms. Clay said. “We can’t help where we live.”
Mr. Ware wasn’t taken to jail, but to the Scott Park district station, where he took a seat while officers Board and LeRoux compiled their report and issued him his loitering citation. He said that while waiting, an officer spoke to him. “He said, ‘Let me tell you something, I don’t like you, I don’t like your dad.’”
Mr. Ware said it was a lie when police typed that he had been “flagging down and approaching autos as they drove on Foster.” When he was leaning against his car with his phone, he said, in no way was he guilty of the officers’ claim of “blocking the free flow of vehicle traffic.”
Asked how he’d like the situation to turn out, Mr. Ware said he wants the loitering charge dismissed and for police to start treating residents on Foster with respect. “I’d like for them to quit harassing us like they are and let us do what we were doing,” he said.
It's kind of interesting. Mr. Ware says he is innocent of any wrong-doing, and accuses the cops of making up an offense. The police accuse him of loitering, and approaching vehicles. It's a "he said, he said" with cops in uniform on one side, and a young football player on the other. Apparently, drugs aren't an issue. I think the young man is right. They should pull the cops out of the inner city, and send them to the South End.
We could use them here, and I don't mind if a cop asks me what I'm doing if I'm leaning on a car after dark. I figure they got a job to do, and might end some drug activity in my part of town.
We don't need anymore officers. Just replace the ones we have now with new guys who actually want to do something besides sit at the 7-11 on white and navarre for hours scavaging for free food even though they paid well and supposed to be out patrolling. Maybe Detective Dressell wouldnt have been killed if he didnt have lazy uneducated co workers that have no clue what there doing. There are good cops on the force but i believe the bad ones far out number the good. I know Toledo officers that smoke weed and do coke. Is that the kinda police protection you want? Ones that will bust people for drugs and confiscate them for themselves? Something needs to be done before more people get hurt or not helped.
Among the first things we have to do is recognize that the police and the civilians are allied in the struggle against crime. Individuals on both sides of that alliance are going to screw it up, sometimes intentionally. If the alliance is ever going to function, these erring individuals have to be gently pushed aside as the dutiful ones continue to extend and link their hands, joining together for the common goal.
As for 7-11s and the like, police need access to bathrooms during their shifts, so I expect to see them at such places during certain times. Loitering there is probably not dutiful, but a frequent appearance probably is. Of course, it seems certain that convenience-store employees prefer to have the police present in case of a hold-up.
Not all is rosy with the TPD, however. Through the magic of excessive unionization and public lassitude, the TPD has managed to become understaffed and overstaffed at the same time. They are overstaffed since 2/3rds (about 450 uniformed police) are driving desks and non-service cars, or are performing all those bullshit "community service" details; hence, leaving about 240 to actually do "field operations" (i.e. patrolling and taking 911 calls). At the same time, they are understaffed since Toledo's department is still rated at a very low per-capita number. All that is a question of political will at the point of control from the council, the mayor, and the Chief. Brr!
At any rate, it remains true that we citizens and we police officers need to see each other as allies. We know the enemy fairly well; why not attack him together in a pincer move that outflanks him?
I think you'd be just as upset as DeAndre Ware if you had been cuffed, booked, and charged with a BS crime. The issue was not the fact that he was investigated by the police, but the events that happened afterward.
"... lazy uneducated co workers that have no clue what there [sic] doing."
I have never met a TPD officer who fits this profile, and every Toledo cop I know is hardworking, intelligent, and caring. BTW - I am normally not one to point out spelling and grammar mistakes, but if you are going to accuse people of being "uneducated," you might want to polish your own writing to avoid the appearance of being the very thing you condemn. Pot-kettle-black, and so on.
Well argued, as usual. I trust that the judge will toss out this BS loitering complaint, but the arresting officers should not have wasted everyone's time with that stupid misdemeanor. When cops have such an ego that they cannot apologize when they make a mistake, there is a problem. I would bet that people trust the police more when they admit a mistake, apologize, and get back to work. Instead, these officers spent valuable time filling out reports, garnered bad will from the public, and may have possibly tarnished the previously spotless record of an upstanding 19-year-old young man.
Historymike, cops just want to do a "job" and move on. Perhaps what they did gave birth to justifiable rancor, but then how would they do otherwise? This kid was leaning against a car talking on a phone. A drug deal going down? Unless the cops can read the kid's mind how would they know?
And not doing anything could allow unlawful activity to continue. The size of the kid would make it hard to determine if he were a child covered by the curfew, or an adult. And is he required to carry ID to prove he is an adult, especially if he is engaged in a physical activity?
Also, asking for ID might make a situation in which it seems a gun is being drawn. That happened to me once when a cop stopped me. He asked for ID, and I got out of the vehicle (rather too quickly since I was confonted by authority) to get at it better in a rear pocket. "Wow," he said as he went for his weapon. I had scared him, and realized my (perhaps) fatal error. I am less than 5'6" now (shrinking with age), but a cop with experience knows anyone can have a gun.
I think to myself we are asking almost the impossible of the police, and that is to "police" the city. We can either ask them to "prevent" crime (in which case a lot of mistaken actions will occur), or to clean up after the criminal was successful in his actions. Which would we rather have as a society?
Personally, I don't expect the police to "police" my neighborhood. I am "grateful" when they show up. That brings up the question: should I be "grateful" with all my heart that they respond to take down information concerning a break-in in my house? I've had six over the last thirty years I've been in this neighborhood. As far as I know none of the perpetrators were ever caught. I was always pretty patient, but I admit that I am becoming less so with age. And I don't know if putting more police on the payrolls vs. a wide-spread adoption of CCW will cause more tragedy. By this I mean that as flawed human-beings our judgements aren't always perfect, and people will die (whether at the hands of the police, or their fellow citizens) through judgement one awry. I do know it is cheaper (and more timely) if citizens do their own "policing", but I also know there will be injustices either way.
"and I don't mind if a cop asks me what I'm doing if I'm leaning on a car after dark."
I wouldn't either if I were an older white male.
Man_with_the_much_rake, that is probably true, but I realize that what I am doing could also look suspicious. Am I a "down on his luck" career criminal casing a place, looking for his last, desperate "score"? A drug dealer looking to hook some young kid?
So maybe with experience I see the other side, rather than looking at the injustice of it all. If I were a young kid I probably would be asking, "Why me", or, maybe, "they won't have anything this time; I'm clean".
The correct charge agianst Mr. Ware would probably be soliciting prostitution.
That didn't happen because the police officer probably asked Mr. Ware about crack cocaine right off the bat. Mr. Ware probably said he had none. The police officer then realized he was dealing with a whore and not a drug dealer so he proceded to bust Mr. Ware for loitering.
The police officer probably could have charged this guy with the correct crime if he had handled the initial contact better. The police officer should stare at the waist band of the suspect and state "I'm needy, do you have something for me?". In either case the suspect might say "how much you got"? Then the police officer whippes out a wad of bills. Then the suspect whippes out some drugs or his cock and you got a bust.
HistoryMike:I have never met a TPD officer who fits this profile...
I have. Now that the unscientific survey results are in, what can be deduced?
GZ beat me to the post. The solution is to staff the TPD with civilians where ever possible, which means that the vast majority of administrative positions will not involve wearing a badge and carrying a gun. Another part of the solution is to require that all officers pass a monthly physical fitness test that includes an obstacle course and firearm qualification, which will eliminate the fat asses and anyone who can't hit the water from the middle of Lake Erie. Follow that with a comprehensive examination of local law, due process and constitutional rights. Anyone failing gets his or her walking papers.
Institute drug testing, the failure of which is grounds for immediate dismissal. Include Carty and city council in the drug testing, and hold new elections in six weeks.
Do that, and you'll have the beginnings of a good police department.
As for Joe Kidd's statements, they are as ignorant and laughable as he is.
Sounds like TPD is performing more illegal searches like the one they tried doin to me where I got away with having 2 ounces a few years back. Mike2004 sounds like a racist 304......Someone needs to drop his ass off in the middle of the weilers or the whitlocks an see how long he keeps his wang sucker open talkin that racist crap.
"Guestzero.. I have never met a TPD officer who fits this profile, and every Toledo cop I know is hardworking, intelligent, and caring."
As an operator of a local hotel I have met VERY FEW TPD officers who fit the profile that you discribe. Last year we had a crack head in our lobby waiting to "kick my ass". We called 911 three times and it took 45 minutes for a unit to respond. By the time they arrived, she had left. Thank god the situation didn't elevate beyond what it did! When we inquired as to why it took so long, the officer told us not to tell anyone, but it was shift change. He was very sorry. I wanted to press charges on her and was told without her date of birth and her social security number (we had her name and address), it would be a waste of his paperwork.
Another instance was our third bomb threat in a six-month period. I was called into the hotel at 2:00 a.m. The bomb squad stood in our driveway having a smoke and drinking our coffee and informed me that I would have to walk the hotel and look for anything that appeared to look out of place. If I found anything, I was to come and get them.
I have no use for most of the officers on the Toledo Police Department. Most of them are over-weight and lazy. They may have passed a physical exam twenty years ago, but they sure couldn't (or wouldn't) catch a thief now.
Last month we had a person actually smoking crack in their room in front of a housekeeper. We called to report him, but again waited 45 minutes. He left the property. When he did, he was carrying a metal briefcase handcuffed to his hand. What do you suppose was in there? Maybe if the police would respond to tax-payers' calls instead of antagonizing innocent people, we would have had one less drug dealer on the streets.
Most of the Officers on the Toledo Police Department are very good at what they do. But as usuall, somebody who knows not what they speak tries to look smart in a forum. Has anybody looked into what goes on at the very location were the young football player was arrested. I know for a fact that the drug dealers on the street were begging officers to "leave them alone"! Officers hiding in the rain, cold and filth spying on those very people selling drugs everyday and making drug related arrests, everyday, several times a day, when they are not responding to our silly calls for barking dogs and "my neighbor pissed me off". We can pretend all we want that we know what the officers deal with everyday and how many breaks they actually give. The fact is we don't have a clue. Keep living life with your blinders on, praise politicians who tell us all is well and ridicule police when they do something that others who don't understand, complain. Grow up, Mary Popins was a long time ago!
"The Police did not respond in Time"... It is difficult to respond to this statement because it stinks of ignorance! 911 is not a private line to the Police Officer on the street! Go to a Block Watch Meeting (a group a people who gather to solve issues in there area of concern) We had a speaker who explained that calls are given to Officers according to priority. Smoking Crack in the bathroom is terrible and shold be addressed but I wonder how you would feel if your spouse was in a car accident and the officers were sent to bust someone smoking crack in a bathroom instead of the accident. Do some research before you complain, if you don't, it kinda makes you look stupid. Do we have problems in the City of Toledo, "YES!", but know where to place the blame!
"I know Toledo officers that smoke weed and do coke. Is that the kinda police protection you want? Ones that will bust people for drugs and confiscate them for themselves? Something needs to be done before more people get hurt or not helped."
How do you know? Did some cops confiscate your drugs? Or did they pay full price?
"I know Officer that do drugs, blah blah blah!" All of them really, I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO SMOKES WEED AND DOES COKE!!!!! I guess your not credible!!!
I have webbed feet..... doesnt everyone? MORON