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Solution to fill 8 million deficit for Toledo....

I have a solution to fill the 8 Million dollar deficit really quick and "legally" without hurting the city's rainy day fund...

I live in South toledo, near MCO,and Live on a corner in the middle of the residential neighborhood... I've been saying for the 10 years I have lived here that people FLY down the street (speed limit is 25--- they go easily 40.

THere are tons of kids in my neighborhood and if a cop would just sit for a few days and write ticekts for those speeding (Ya it would suck if you were getting the ticket, but even if it were a minor ticket like 25 bucks) they would make ton's...

the problem so ask.... DO AND WILL THE POLICE DO IT? PROBABLY NOT, IF THE POLICE START TICKETING PEOPLE THEN THE CITY WILL SAY... HMMM WHY LAY THEM OFF THEY ARE BRINGING IN MUCH NEEDED FUNDS.....

What do you guy's think?

created by jim30529 on Feb 10, 2009 at 12:02:38 am     Comments: 14

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Reread this tomorrow and you'll see that smoking pot and trying to think straight dosen't mix.

posted by AmericanPie on Feb 10, 2009 at 12:20:51 am     #  

Better idea that won't fix the deficit:

Make it mandatory that each new car have a gps that issues cruise control limits to the car's computer. Nobody can speed unless they turn on the cars emergency beacon, which lets the cops know they are in distress, and gives continuous updates on their location. The technology already exists, they don't do it because they want people to speed so they can write tickets. Traffic camera's are a quick and unconstitutional way to do it. I'd rather it were by gps with no tickets, and so no higher insurance rates and costs from tickets.

posted by prime3end on Feb 10, 2009 at 01:43:57 am     #  

In other words the car would never let you speed, no just while in normal cruise control, but no speeding anytime, unless you declared an emergency, something you would have to explain as the cops would know who you are and where your car is. Lots of lives would be saved, and the insurance companies would be screwed.

posted by prime3end on Feb 10, 2009 at 01:46:40 am     #  

speeding tickets @ $100 each, 8 million dollar deficit. Wow, that is a lot of tickets.

posted by hockeyfan on Feb 10, 2009 at 02:47:51 am     #  

Maybe Toledo could explore the idea of taxing every property owner that has a fire-hydrant in front of their property, with a $250-a-year "Fire-Hydrant Maintenance Fee." -Kind of like the recycling fee. There are a lot of fire-hydrants out there.

- JUST JOKING !!......I know, I know....we shouldn't be giving city officials any more ideas. This would surely piss a lot of people off, for sure.

But on a more serious note. I wonder how much those big billboard sign companies pay on an annual basis, to the city, for each location that has a Giant Billboard. -There are so many billboards everywhere...it seems.

I grew up in upstate New York. Every few years, I go back to visit old friends. I was getting lunch in a Subway sub-shop 1 day for lunch, when I noticed they charged me local sales TAX, even though it was a carryout order. I questioned the tax, and they said it was legit.

I'm not suggesting the city of Toledo begin taxing carryout orders, the same as if orders are consumed on the restaurant premises. But if Toledo revenue streams continue to get worse over the next few years, it wouldn't surprise me if various new taxes were created, to nickel-n-dime everyone, a little bit at a time, here and there, every single day.

posted by WalterAnthony on Feb 10, 2009 at 06:20:43 am     #  

Go up north, Michigan already taxes carryout orders, fast food.

posted by ronaldo on Feb 10, 2009 at 09:59:10 am     #  

Once again, I have to believe that any level headed person could look at the budget, make hard, but necessary choices to cut budget and get it balanced.
I'm hockeyfan and I hope to have your support for mayor.(I've approved this message)

posted by hockeyfan on Feb 10, 2009 at 12:55:21 pm     #  

Hockeyfan... You got my vote.... We need all new blood from top down in the public office both city and county....

posted by jim30529 on Feb 10, 2009 at 01:15:37 pm     #  

Well one thing that should be done is the elimination of all City Council At-Large positions. There is no reason for Toledo to have 12 City Council members when a city twice the size only has 8. Also most of the At-Large members are those that have been career council members that will never go away. I'm sure right there that would help some.

Just taking a quit glance at the budget...

$850K in Clothing & Linen - employees can buy their own work uniforms.
$745K in Telephone equipment charges? Are they leasing everything.
$130K in Copier Rental - Umm, buy a couple.
$3.6M in electrical fees - solar panels and wind generators may not be a bad idea to help lower this a bit.

So that portion out of the general fund...you should be able to save up to a million right there.

The other sections too numerous to mention, electricity is a major cost. The city needs to start finding ways to get reduce energy usage or switch to green energy through wind mills or solar panels.

posted by JustaSooner on Feb 10, 2009 at 01:57:14 pm     #  

How would the insurance companies be screwed? They price based on risk, so if you can't speed, their risk of you having a speed-related accident decreases. A speeding ticket may be the only indicator that you are an irresponsible driver, so they would need to find other ways to price you as a risk.

posted by cmhguy on Feb 10, 2009 at 06:38:53 pm     #  

I know it sounds silly, but what if we spent 8 million less? If one looses their job and gets a different job making less money, one has to spend less. If they are unemployed and receiving unemployment checks, they have to spend less. Why is it so hard for people to grasp the idea of the government spending less.

Millions of people have to do it every day. Thousands of companies have to do it every day. Why do so many think the government is immune from this. If you bring in x dollars then you can only spend x dollars.

I have had the misfortune of working for a couple of companies that went out of business. The things that can be cut when needed are amazing. Things like the free coffee and office supplies always seem to be first on the list and personnel is always last. But when your 8mil in the hole you get rid of things you dont NEED and people whos jobs can be done by others.

Personal assitants and spokes people should be gone. Next the discretionary spending levels should be reduced by 90% if not completely eliminated. All spending should be reviewed and scrutinized. Emotion can not be part of the decision! Our hair is on fire and we're worried if our tie is the right color.

I am embarrassed by how our government is ran. This problem did not sneak up on us and the same group of dumb asses have be in charge the whole time. Why do they keep getting voted in?

Vote the bums out! Vote for hockeyfan!!

posted by RaggedyAndy on Feb 11, 2009 at 11:17:36 am     #  

So Carty's solution...elimination of the income tax credit for non-resident Toledo workers. So now, i'm guessing, if you live in Maumee you get to pay income tax to two cities now and not just one. How retarded.

Eliminate local income taxes.

posted by JustaSooner on Feb 12, 2009 at 08:25:00 pm     #  

"The city of Toledo has to slash more than $14 million from its budget - not the previously announced $8.1 million - Mayor Carty Finkbeiner announced during a press conference Thursday."

Mayor's plan :

  • One provision calls for Toledoans who work outside the city to have their income tax credit reduced from 100%, to 50%. That's expected to raise $5.2 million.
  • Another move is taking one fire apparatus out of service, reduce the minimum daily staffing from 103 to 99, and reduce fire overtime spending by $2.5 million.
  • Other parts of the plan includes exempt employees switching to a 36-hour work week.
  • Savings are also expected from the implementation of a citywide automated trash service.

From the Blade story:

[Czarty] said no police or firefighters would be laid off. However, the number of sworn officers will decrease in 2009 with planned retirements.

That could upset councilwoman Wilma Brown who last year said:

"It's going to burn our city," she said during a finance committee meeting. Mrs. Brown said she would "flame-proof" her house and not drive her car because of the reduced police and fire forces should the income tax fail.

Wilma was referring to Toledo's 3/4% income tax and what would happen to T-town if voters failed to renew that 25-year-old temporary tax.

posted by jr on Feb 13, 2009 at 02:44:07 am     #  

Carty Finkbeiner's 2005 Mayoral Campaign Promises :

14. Commit to hiring more police officers, so Toledo will no longer have the fewest police per 1,000 residents of any major city in Ohio.


Nov 14, 2008 - Toledo Blade - Proposed 2009 Toledo budget could leave no money for police, fire classes

Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner is considering eliminating the planned police cadet and firefighter classes for [2009]. The city previously planned to hire 33 cadets, but the most recent plan reduced it to 20 or 22 cadets. Even with the addition of a new class, the department would still have fewer officers [in 2009] than its current 639, the chief said.

Dan Wagner, president of the Toledo Police Patrolman's Association, is concerned that the elimination of a police class would hinder the department's ability to respond to calls for service - what he and Chief Navarre call its No. 1 priority. "It really jeopardizes public safety when you cancel a police class when you're already at manpower levels that aren't adequate to patrol a city our size," Mr. Wagner said.

There are currently 639 sworn officers with 30 expected to retire [in 2009].


Feb 10, 2009 Toledo Blade story

Even with the financial trouble, Mr. Wagner said letting the number of officers fall to 1.58 per 1,000 residents is dangerous. "Toledo experienced a 33 percent spike in homicides, a 17 percent rise in burglaries, and a 17 rise in robberies," he said.

There are currently 634 sworn officers and that number is expected to drop to about 600 because of retirements.

Regarding police salaries, the chief said Toledo police officers rank second among Ohio large cities when the total compensation package is considered. According to the chief, the annual base wage for a five-year patrolman in Toledo is $54,359 - compared to $63,939 in Columbus, $57,473 in Cincinnati, $54,954 in Dayton, $52,510 in Akron, $52,365 in Cleveland, and $45,520 in Canton.


Sep 23, 2008 Toledo Blade story :

This month marks 25 years since the Class of 1983 was hired and also when most of the class become eligible to retire. Only eight people don't meet the minimum retirement age of 48. The large class, sworn in on Sept. 9, 1983, helped the department meet federal mandates to hire more minorities and women and brought its strength above the authorized level of 750 officers, which was promised during the campaign for the passage of a 0.75 increase in the payroll tax in 1982. Before the city hired the 1983 class, 622 officers were in the department.

The largest Toledo police class, in 1983, numbered about 120. But Toledo's population is much smaller today than in the early 1980s.

T-town's population :

1960 318,003 4.7%
1970 383,818 20.7%
1980 354,635 -7.6%
1990 332,943 -6.1%
2000 313,619 -5.8%
Est. 2007 295,029 -5.9%

Despite the recent discovery of lost souls living in Toledo, the 2010 census will probably indicate Toledo's population to be in the 295-298K range.

posted by jr on Feb 13, 2009 at 03:30:24 am     #  

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