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Lucas county deputies charged with assault

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created by upso on Mar 20, 2009 at 11:03:22 am     Comments: 14

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Have they been "charged", which indicates a criminal complaint ort indictment by the State, or have they been "accused" by the victim? The story is not clear, nor is the video.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Mar 20, 2009 at 11:28:56 am     #  

"The charges--assault and violation of civil rights-- may be the first of more to come."

posted by toledolen on Mar 20, 2009 at 11:43:27 am     #  

It says that at one point, but if you take the piece as a whole it is vague.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Mar 20, 2009 at 11:44:33 am     #  

The law and the constitution would dictate that you don't treat a non violent heart patient in this fashion. This kind of Gitmo crap is epidemic in United States jails. When you ask for medicine in jail, you would supposedly cause the jail nurse or doctor to consult with other doctors, and provide medical care at the level required, but, well,, that would cost money and staff time. Staff that don't even exist at the level required. Some inmate patients don't receive essential medical care because its expensive and the county doesn't want to pay for it. It's far cheaper to just beat the hell out of the guy and tell him to shut the hell up. Of course, if any of the lawyers in the city had the slightest bit of their sworn constitutional responsibility intact, they would stop it in a heartbeat and beating the shit out of a non violent heart patient would happen less frequently. The county needs to pay for this mistake and I hope they do.

posted by prime3end on Mar 20, 2009 at 03:17:50 pm     #  

From what I can gather, it appears that some sort of civil suit by the man with the heart condition has been filed while an internal affairs investigation is being conducted.

posted by corky on Mar 20, 2009 at 04:40:18 pm     #  

the guy was handcuffed while he was being beaten. talk about a fair fight

posted by upso on Mar 20, 2009 at 05:15:13 pm     #  

What's with all the problems involving Lucas county sheriff deputies and corrections guards ?

I mean.....really ??

Just recently, Seth Bunke was senteneced to 4-years in prison for his misdeeds.

Before that, there was the story about some off-duty sheriff deputies, who committed home invasion and assaulted some guy; who I believe was a boyfriend of another Lucas county sheriff deputy.

Then I recall a few stories, about guards at the jail "releasing" people who shouldn't have even been released. Just letting them waltz right out the front door.

Then some story about a guard having sex with an inmate or other guards, while on duty.

Another story involving guards bringing drugs to work, to give to inmates.

A story about inmates climbing out windows, while a lucas county employee sleeps in front of the security camera monitors, that filmed the escapes.

And several more stories I don't recall, just right now.

posted by WalterAnthony on Mar 20, 2009 at 10:40:50 pm     #  

It's no wonder why the cops get little respect. These guys should be fired and then jailed for 6 months.

posted by AmericanPie on Mar 21, 2009 at 09:29:19 am     #  

I just did a search on The Blade's website, for the names Mangioni and Ciolek. --Nothing there.

Is there a reason The Blade hasn't covered this story yet ?

Is The Blade that short staffed these days ? or are they just trying to get the story straight, before printing it ?

posted by WalterAnthony on Mar 21, 2009 at 02:03:44 pm     #  

There may not be a story yet. I watched the video. Although he is clearly manhandled the video is not too clear as to whether he was complying with the orders of the jail staff. You can hear him cursing while "explaining his condition" to the deputies; not exactly the behavior of a peaceful, compliant individual. Maybe they overdid it or maybe he refused to cooperate with their orders.

If the Blade ran every story where a guy claimed to have been assaulted by the police/corrections officers, they would not need to write any other news. Maybe, for once, they are actually looking into the facts of a story before they rush to print. I know it would be something new for them, but it's possible.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Mar 21, 2009 at 04:13:40 pm     #  

Being a guard is a hazard in itself. They become keepers and the inmates animals. Maybe the duties of corrections should be spread out, have road and corrections deputies rotate for short periods in the jail? Nah, that would be even more costly than providing medical care for inmates. Doctors who do inmate duty are usually drug offenders, etc. Some good ones too I'm sure. Can you imagine a guy with a bad heart cussing that he needs medicine FOR his heart condition. Of all the nerve.

posted by prime3end on Mar 22, 2009 at 01:13:21 am     #  

You should take a couple hours out of your weekend and sit in the booking department once. It's pretty amazing how poorly the prisoners conduct themselves, given the situation they're in. You catch more flies with sugar than vinegar. I have seen plenty of inmates who get everything they need from the guards by being chummy rather than jackasses.

I recently had a client who claimed he could not work because he was disabled and on medication. When I dug, it turned out the only reason he couldn't work was because he wouldn't take his medication on a regular basis - something of which the court was all too aware. The guards hear the same stuff every day. Making polite requests will usually produce good results. Give the guards crap and you will get it back.

If all he did was curse at the guards they appear to go beyond the reasonable use of force. But, if the guy is refusing to present his hands, not bending over when requested, etc...the guards have to take some action to get their job done.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Mar 22, 2009 at 11:29:25 am     #  

The guy who wouldn't take his medication, was he perhaps crazy? Lots of crazy people don't take their medication, biggest reason for non-compliance is that they are crazy. Thats no reason to beat them.

The entire jailing structure in the U.S. is a growth industry that actually lobbies for longer jail sentences because in many states private corporations are taking over the jails. Longer sentences mean more profit. Less medical care means more profit. Continuing the drug war means more profit. Jailing M.S. patients for using the only effective neuro pain reliever that doesn't kill their liver or kidneys (pot) is good business, until they understand that the medicine the patients require will be about $2000 per month, and frequent doctor visits. Illegal aliens are also good business for the private jails. Cheney owns one.

posted by prime3end on Mar 22, 2009 at 10:03:17 pm     #  

#1 - The guy in the video did not take his heart medication - not his crazy medication.

#2 - Based on what I saw so far, the guards were not beating anyone. They were definitely treating him roughly, but there was no beating.

#3 - Cheney and private jails have nothing to do with Lucas County.

Crazy or not, medication or not, the officers at the jail have to get certain things done. Depending on the behavior of the guy in the video, they may or may not have gone too far. Unless you have more than that video clip, there is not enough evidence upon which to make a judgment.

posted by MoreThanRhetoric on Mar 23, 2009 at 04:34:18 pm     #