I've seen the story on the tv news, and now read it in the blade about how the media sensationalized the fact that any police that were laid off last week aren't or weren't going to appear in court to testify against these "criminals".
I guess that an off duty or laid off cop does not have to serve or protect. This is a complete disappointment. When I was young, many kids wanted to grow up and be policemen because we respected the job and looked up to them. Now, it seems they have a spiteful attitude and won't follow through on what they were paid to do. Not only that, what do these cops do all shift long?
Recently the detective representative said that with the reduced amount of detectives, they wouldn't have the resources to investigate lower priority crimes like vandalism and home break ins. We have had cars broken into in my neighborhood and the idiot criminals even left behind a cell phone, but not one of the victims even got so much as a follow up call.
I am all for police and public safety, but along with that comes a great deal of responsibility. What crimes do these detectives solve? What does a policeman/woman do on a "shift"? I've seen police cars riding around and they don't even appear to be aware of what is going on outside of their cars.
Have ACLU and attorneys neutered the police so bad that they don't do anything unless forced? Or is it a case of since 9/11, no one should question what police do? Either way, I am not seeing what the police do or the crimes they solve. Could someone from a news station suggest this story to be done?
Yea, I am sure if you were laid off you would sit around waiting to be called in to go to a meeting for a few hours for free. Alot of these people are probably too busy looking for another job or out of town.
The answer is simple for this whole thing. Subpoena the laid off officers to appear in court. If they do not then the judge can hold them in contempt for failure to appear. End of case.
Officers who are no longer with the Toledo PD can be served a subpoena to appear, but that costs money which is in very short supply just now. If you believe the news, violent felonies will be pursued, followed by non-violent felonies. Charges don't have to be dropped, either. Any charges can be re-filed later on.
From HockeyFan: Have ACLU and attorneys neutered the police so bad that they don't do anything unless forced? Or is it a case of since 9/11, no one should question what police do?
One does not preclude the other. The police have never wanted to be questioned about their work or methods by mere civilians. 9/11 provided the excuse that law enforcement was looking for to oppress anyone who needed oppressing, beginning with those civilians arrogant enough to question the big, important police.
Now in addition to that, some or most of the Toledo police may be feeling a little spiteful about their recent treatment by mayor Finkbeiner. I don't blame them for that, but when their ill feelings against the mayor spill over into poor job performance, then I think it's past time to replace the mayor and a few police.
Another shining example of "BAD ATTITUDES". Something I see and hear more and more in that union stronghold they call Toledo
Sounds like more reasons to pack heat.
How many here would continue to do aspects of their job, after being laid off. It was a job, when they were laid off, it quit being their job. I agree I think the laid off officers have more to worry about than going to court and not getting paid, they have families they have to support, and that means finding new employment in a very bad economy. And if the court insists on subpoenaing them to make them come to court, why would anyone hire them knowing that they may lose time to come to court. Now I say this even though I think most of the Toledo cops are useless, but I think its B.S. for everyone to be bitching because the laid off officers aren't noble enough to keep track of court dates and show up without pay, to satisfy some obligation to an employer who didn't feel obligated to maintain their employment.
Sorry, but that is just my point. They are only going to "protect and serve" if they get paid. Noble? Maybe, but still, people join the military reserve and go away for a weekend a month and 2 weeks over the summer and most of them have jobs.
I think it is a cheezy way of "protesting" the way the city has handled police, but it also reflects on every policeman and woman.
Once again, I went by another police car near the east side today. With 2 officers in the car and no lights or sirens on, they drove right by what appeared to be a group of teenagers starting to fight. Maybe they were headed to a more important call. Maybe they were "off duty". Maybe they were on their way to get a donut. I don't know, but everyday I lose more and more respect for TPD.
You are all wrong.
THE POINT GOES TO THE POLICE simply because we are discussing this right now. The fact is they know this won't play well with the public and it does make them into the bad guy. So, why do they make this move?
A: Because they want us to remind us of the role that they play and the personal toll each of them take to make our streets safe and make everything we take for granted possible.
We are talking about having police testify in court about crimes they witnessed, in order to maintain order and allow us go about our daily lives. Now, it's true, I don't think about this aspect of law enforcement often, but that's exactly their point. Now, if they testified in court (as they probably truly want to do) we wouldn't be talking about this right now and we probably wouldn't appreciate their sacrifice...But thank to this...I do...
POINT GOES TO THE POLICE
Is that a discombobulation?
Heck, I could have worn that shirt for years. That's the typical response I've got from TPD.
Post about this after ONE of you spend ONE day doing anything as "noble" as protecting the streets. Especially if it's actually in the state you live! snicker
Sorry but that "I called Toledo Police ... " shirt is funny stuff.
But I agree with ToledoWire. Point goes to the laid off officers.
lol how dare those former police officers (which is what they are once laid off - no gun, no badge, no power) not work for free by going to court, sitting there for an hour, all just so they can be told by the prosecutor that the murder charges they're there to testify on have been plead down to a no-seatbelt violation. (ok a slight exaggeration)
With the way the prosecutors handle cases in this city its a wonder cops who are getting paid to go to court bother to show up