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Tickets and charges filing down, please tell me policemen aren't "sandbagging" to prove point

Here's the link to the story.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090628/NEWS02/906280319

It basically says that tickets and charges being filed are way down since 75 policemen were layed off. Now, I can understand the reduction in ticket numbers, etc., but please tell me the police aren't "sandbagging" just to make a point. I would think public safety is more important than making a point, but that's just me.

Thoughts?

created by hockeyfan on Jun 28, 2009 at 10:44:41 am     News     Comments: 8

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No sandbagging going on here.

The officers most likely to write those tickets are laid off.

For further information, read up on "The law of unintended consequences..."

posted by HoodaThunkit on Jun 28, 2009 at 01:22:03 pm     #  

What the city should do is change the city charter and implement PSO. (public safety officer) is the combining of police and fire to do both jobs. The city could eliminate another 200 to 300 jobs, and have police and fire be more productive. it is a huge success in gross point, Mi, and also in a couple cities in Ohio. This way there ar not a bunch of lazy fireman waiting around in the fire station waiting for runs that never happen. The cops have fire gear in there car and meet the two man fire engine at the scene.it would also weed out the fat lazy cops that couldnt pass fire school. Here is a serious plan if money is to be saved.

posted by T-Townmissle on Jun 28, 2009 at 03:20:36 pm     #  

Of course the remaining officers are sandbagging, or whatever you want to call it.

It is blowback against the loss of jobs and the mayor.

posted by JohnnyMac on Jun 28, 2009 at 09:49:03 pm     #  

Hey, T-Townmissle? You are a funny man. However, you may have heard of something called a "union", and on top of that, the "old boy network". Here's a true story that I can't get sued for, since I'm not using any names:

Officer is plucked from behind his/her desk due to the layoffs, and has to fill in on street duty. Officer shows for the first day of street duty and says this is all 'bullshit'. Officer then shows up the next day with a doctor's note, claiming some medical condition. POING! Officer is back behind a desk on "light duty". For how long? Months, probably.

You see, T-Townmissle? Until you put a STOP to that kind of outright work fraud, you will never fix the TPD and the city's budget. You will literally end up with a greatly decreased street force for police, yet have ranks of officers (in uniform, with badges and guns and tasers and the whole kit and kaboodle) behind desks with various excuses for being there. And you will still be paying their full salaries. And although I don't know for sure, I just bet there is some administrative rule that allows them to still "project" for extra money (i.e. take security jobs, like the officer you tend to see in the Secor+Monroe Krogers).

For fun, get a list of the TPD's command officers (if you can -- note well that you CAN'T find these people in AERIS), and note how many last names are the same. There is no accountability in this system whatsoever. It's at LEAST rotten at the head, downward. It's designed to burn out most sense of duty from go-getters who join the TPD as fresh street officers.

Maybe if we actually voted for a mayor and councilmen who were fiscally prudent and dutiful, we'd see the appropriate pressure being applied to Navarre's head, instead of this constant series of whimsical demands that he has to deal with. I'm not saying Navarre is some sort of good Chief; he's not. But we owe it to him and his Deputy Chiefs and his Captains and Lieutenants to NOT HAVE A RANTING INSANE LUNATIC for a boss.

posted by GuestZero on Jun 28, 2009 at 11:29:01 pm     #  

whimsical demands? I guess you have more information than the rest of us, but as of right now I'm faulting the police for jeopardizing the public safety to make a point based on money.
If they aren't doing their job or doing a half-a s s job because of layoffs, what is to prevent us from believing that many of these same officers are on the "payroll" of the criminals to begin with?

The mayor accuses the police union, the police union blames the mayor. Blah, blah, blah.

As you posted about a story without using any real names, here's one that I heard. A certain detective that was "gunned down" by a young teen drug dealer wasn't really being a "good officer" when the shooting occurred. In fact, this detective was "shady" at best. The reason the "real" story never came out is due to the fear of further harm to come to the young shooter, his family, and friends by others in the department.

Isn't it time some independant party looked into the entire Toledo government and police and fire departments?

posted by hockeyfan on Jun 28, 2009 at 11:53:09 pm     #  

I read this article to one of my friends in the TPD, and he became upset: " How can we file charges and write tickets, when we are running our *sses off running calls all night. "

posted by GuestZero on Jun 29, 2009 at 03:05:36 pm     #  

Hey guest zero,I totally agree with you,but, If the whole city charter is thrown out, and a new one is written with Pso in place, the Union dont mean shat. I was a full time fireman for six years and battled this very thing. Oakwood ohio is pso. The one thing a city cannot do once the charter is re written with pso in place, it cannot be reversed legally back to the way it was, its a done deal. The entire police and fire in Toledo should be wipped out and start over. As well as the entire old boy political crooks.

posted by T-Townmissle on Jun 29, 2009 at 04:05:25 pm     #  

Well, unit 335 and 305 weren't too busy to be at Speedway getting coffee and bull crapping with cashier for about 10 minutes tonight. Neither one of them seemed too concerned about "running their butts off" chasing calls.

posted by hockeyfan on Jun 30, 2009 at 12:43:24 am     #  

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