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Captain Sully becoming even bigger

Captain Sully, the plane pilot that landed in the Hudson River and saved lives has not only written a book, but is also in the news again.

Don't get me wrong, I think he did a great job by landing the plane in less than perfect conditions, but really, if he didn't land the plane safely, chances were that he would have died too. It's not like he jumped into the cockpit from the coach seats, or out of another plane and risked his life to save others. He was in danger as much as everyone else on the plane. He did his job and by doing his job, he saved lives, including his own. Great job. Let's move on already.

Here's the link to the latest Sully walks on water story.

created by hockeyfan on Aug 19, 2009 at 07:12:03 pm     Other     Comments: 11

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"Let's move on" and then you post a story about him. Mmmkay, that isn't a contradiction or anything.

posted by Ryan on Aug 19, 2009 at 07:29:29 pm     #  

lol, hockeyfan, I guess you get a little jaded after you've saved 200 people in 8 seconds or less day after day, huh? :D

Let the guy be superman for a little longer, if he wants, he's one for the history books.

posted by nana on Aug 19, 2009 at 08:00:48 pm     #  

You can call me jaded, cynical, crude, ignorant, or whatever. I do not throw "hero" around lightly. You can put him on a pedestal if you want. I'm not. The guy saved his own butt. He never put his safety aside to save others. He really didn't even make a life saving decision. His big decision was simple. Try to land safely and save himself and others, or crash and die. Wow, what a hard decision he made.

He didn't throw caution to the wind and run into a burning building and save a child.
He didn't jump in front of a bus to save a child in the street.
He didn't jeopardize his safety for others.
Sorry, but I don't see it. And, if he is so driven to save lives, he should have become a doctor, or policeman or fireman. An airplane pilot rarely gets the chance to save lives, if at all. Unless it's his own.

Nope, sorry media, not swallowing this pill. Try jamming it down some other suckers throat. Your spin on making a hero out of someone doing their job didn't take.

posted by hockeyfan on Aug 19, 2009 at 09:00:09 pm     #  

Just did a great job landing a plane in water.

Enjoy your day tomorrow behind your desk.

posted by Ryan on Aug 19, 2009 at 09:31:02 pm     #  

HF, I disagree. Using your own analogies a Fireman can never be a hero for saving someone from a burning building; A Policeman can never be a hero for taking a bullet in defense of the innocent; Our soldiers who are killed in battle can never be a hero for defending freedom...after all they are simply doing their jobs.

I think Capt. Sully is every bit the hero by saving hundreds of lives everyday he takes to the skies by being able to perform his job competently. Let's not forget that he was the last person off the plane after walking it to ensure that all the passenger were off first and offering assistance to those in need while it filled with water.

As far as the publicity it pales in comparison to that which Michael Jackson received (undeservedly so IMO) upon his demise.

Just a thought.

posted by KraZyKat on Aug 19, 2009 at 09:45:46 pm     #  

Hey Ryan, we finally found something we can agree on.

posted by KraZyKat on Aug 19, 2009 at 09:47:38 pm     #  

"An airplane pilot rarely gets the chance to save lives, if at all."

I think that sums it up as to why the news put him in the limelight. No he didn't run in to a burning building or in front of a bus to save one life.. he saved hundreds. He was very humble about this accident. It was the media that put him on the pedestal. So maybe his fifteen minutes of fame is going in to overtime. We need to hear and be reminded that good things happen, since there has been an overflow of bad things.

posted by ToledoLatina on Aug 20, 2009 at 12:27:12 am     #  

I never agreed with MJ coverage. Alive or dead.

Once again, read my post if confused. Your argument about firemen, policemen and military are wrong.

A fireman who is not inside a burning building and decides to go into a burning building to save someone is a hero. If the fireman chooses not to go into the building, he/she still is safe. No harm.
A policeman on patrol who sees a dangerous situation and decides to put himself in harms way to save another, is a hero. The policeman could wait for backup or until the danger has passed. Either way, he could keep himself out of harms way.
Anybody who volunteers themselves to enter the military is putting themselves in harms way. They could choose not to join, but they do and could lose their lives because of it. Once again, he/she could decide to stay out of the military, curse the USA and still enjoy the freedoms. All of these examples are based on choices. From safe to harms way.

Mr. Sully did not throw caution to the wind and help those people. He had no choice to make. He either would have to try and save his own butt with a decent landing, or crash and potentially die.

If you want to call him a hero, go for it. You can even call a politician, a sports figure, and a movie star a hero too, but I won't. I reserve my right to label someone a hero that actually deserves it.

I think that if you were in the military and actually knew some "real heroes" you'd be a little more selective of using the word. The military is full of true heroes. There are many people that lost their lives being "real heroes", but never got the recognition like Sully did. What these "heroes" did/do does not get plastered all over the news. They don't get interviewed by every morning news show and they don't get a book deal to write about what motivates them. Oh sure, since 9-11, you'll catch an occasional military person's return home, or in parade, but nothing like what Mr. Sully has gotten.
You can have your "hero", and I'll keep mine, thanks.

posted by hockeyfan on Aug 20, 2009 at 01:04:49 am     #  

Wait so your saying that he was more worried about dying himself than saving the 200 people that put their lives in his hands when they stepped aboard his plane? I know its his job but when you step on a plane the one person you have to rely on getting safely to your destination is the Capt. So who cares if the media is giving a bit of coverage...I am sure the people on the plane think he deserves it. And yes I agree there are more deserving of the title "hero" but give a guy a break. I am sure you can find some better things to bitch about.

posted by transcom on Aug 20, 2009 at 07:46:09 am     #  

From HockyFan: You can call me jaded, cynical, crude, ignorant, or whatever.

Me! I'll do it!

You're jaded, cynical, crude, ignorant and you have no ear for music.

On a more serious note, HockeyFan makes a good point. The commercial news media turned Chesley 'Sully' Sullenberger into a hero. Sully is an excellent pilot and everyone (with the possible exception of a few million Islamic militants) is glad he landed safely in the Hudson. That said, had Sully performed the same feat in the military his actions would not have earned him the USCMOH - and the way the commercial media is carrying on, his skillful landing would have earned him two such medals.

posted by madjack on Aug 20, 2009 at 08:27:47 am     #  

If being in the military is a qualification for hero status, Capt. Sullenberger meets it. He was in the Air Force.

You may not consider him a hero, fine. But there are 200 families out there who'd disagree.

Why begrudge the guy anything? He seems like a decent, stand-up guy who has served his country in more ways than one and continues to do so. He saved lives. If you read your own link, he didn't even want to take all the credit for his successful landing. He's suffered some of life's hardest blows -- the suicide of a parent, the inability to have children with his wife, financial worries -- and has emerged without bitterness or resentment. That he is still receiving attention doesn't take away anything from any of us, personally (unless you buy his book, which I guess will take $25 from your wallet), and I don't think it takes away from the heroic actions of police or firefighters or military personnel; so to complain about it seems like simply reaching for something to complain about. I mean, the story of the "Miracle on the Hudson" is a would-be disaster with a happy ending. You don't get too many of those. So let it play out.

posted by jmleong on Aug 20, 2009 at 02:07:20 pm     #