I noticed that my local branch - the Washington branch of the toledo public librarys will now only be open Monday thru Friday.
This is sad because I could usually get over there on a saturday easier than going after work during the week.
I understand budget cuts, but it's just kind of disheartening seeing how I cannot remember any time in the last 20 years a library levy being defeated.
maybe Im wrong. Where'd the money go?
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That is too bad. But if they were forced to close one day it seems that a weekday would be more beneficial, to them and the patrons. A lot of people can only make it on the weekends.
my thoughts as well, or open at noon instead of 10 all week long or something.
BUT - it might be planned that way so that if they find they have to cut hours, then they figure they should cut them where it'll hurt the public the most - then ask for more bucks.
yeah, closing sunday and monday makes the most sense
It had nothing to do with a levy. A lot of the library's budget came from the state, and with the state of Ohio running in the red, library funding was cut.
Here are the hours for all the branches:
New Hours
Effective October 4, 2009
Monday and Tuesday: Noon - 8:30 p.m.
Wednesday - Friday: 9 a.m. - 5:30 p.m.
Birmingham, 203 Paine Ave.
Lagrange, 3422 Lagrange St.
Maumee, 501 River Rd.
Mott, 1085 Dorr St.
Reynolds Corners, 4833 Dorr St.
South, 1736 Broadway St.
Washington, 5560 Harvest Lane
Waterville, 800 Michigan Ave.
West Toledo, 1320 Sylvania Ave.
Tuesday: Noon - 8:30 p.m.
Wednesday - Saturday: 9 a.m. - 5:30 p.m.
Kent, 3101 Collingwood Blvd.
Locke, 703 Miami St.
Point Place, 2727-117th St.
Toledo Heights, 423 Shasta Dr.
Monday and Tuesday: Noon - 8:30 p.m.
Wednesday - Saturday: 9 a.m. - 5:30 p.m.
* Sundays: 1 - 5:30 p.m.
Main Library, 325 Michigan St.
Heatherdowns, 3265 Glanzman Rd.
Holland, 1032 S. McCord Rd.
Oregon, 3340 Dustin Rd.
* Sanger, 3030 W. Central Ave.
Sylvania, 6749 Monroe St.
posted by ifXthenWhyNot on Sep 24, 2009 at 02:19:05 pm #
So they took your advice for some of the branches and trade Mondays for Saturdays.
Why is Sanger open on Sundays when Main is not?
posted by ifXthenWhyNot on Sep 24, 2009 at 02:24:33 pm #
If I recall correctly each branch reviewed its usage and tried to remain open on the days/hours that historically were the most busy. Each was directed to achieve a percentage cut.
another socialist establishment affected by state budget cuts and shrinking tax revenues
Don't be paranoid thinking it is some kind of plot. It would keep things more consistent to do without Saturdays. Also, I think students would be hurt more by a weekday closing than a Saturday closing. It is funny, people whine about paying taxes but they whine when you cut services. You can't have it both ways.
posted by ilovetoledo on Sep 24, 2009 at 03:16:33 pm #
ILT -
It is funny, people whine about paying taxes but they whine when you cut services. You can't have it both ways.
Note up above where I said "I cannot remember any time in the last 20 years a library levy being defeated."
You say you cant have it both ways - looks to me like we ARE getting it both ways. Being taxed AND gettign the cuts.
Billy, you know darn well the library is closing because its subsidy from the state of Ohio is being cut. Why is the state of Ohio subsidy being cut? It's true that revenue is down because of the economy, but even more to blame is the Big Republican Tax cut the Republican legislature pushed through that has been taking effect over the past few years. http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/11/27/copy/BadRevenue.ART_ART_11-27-08_A1_REC258M.html?sid=101
On top of that is the Bush tax cuts for his "haves" and his "have mores" so that they can become "have even mores." The joke will be on them, because in gutting taxes, pay, social services, and American jobs, they have sold our nation in a kind of huge garage sale to China. They destroyed the worker base, the tax base, the social base, and their consumer base. Within a century it will be the Chinese appearing off our coast with their suitcases full of dollars, ready to take possession of their property. You may think this is funny, but it is the truth, and it is all rooted in the Republican policies of the past 30 years.
posted by ilovetoledo on Sep 24, 2009 at 03:46:07 pm #
Here read this articles that puts this in perspective for Ohio. It is called "DEATH BY 1,000 CUTS: GOP GENEROSITY IS KILLING US."
posted by ilovetoledo on Sep 24, 2009 at 03:51:07 pm #
I don't know about today, but a couple years ago, Ohio ranked as the 3rd highest taxed state in the nation when adding up state and local taxes. It seems Ohio routinely ranks in the top 5 or top 10 for being the least tax-friendly state.
Last year, Forbes released the Top 10 Fastest-Dying Cities, and four of those were from Ohio: Youngstown, Canton, Dayton and Cleveland. Two were from Michigan. And several Ohio cities have a high poverty rate, based upon 2007 data.
But all will be well for Ohio once the state gets more gambling, just look at Michigan.
And Toledo will be wonderful again once the new arena opens, just look at Cleveland and Detroit.
Well, thanks to our Republican legislature, we have now become one of the most business friendly states. In his last address, the Governor made a statement that we are now in the bottom range of taxes. Still waiting for the jobs to start rolling in. http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:fbXfN3h4AO0J:www.ohiomeansbusiness.com/docs/Ohio_2009_Tax_Report.pdf+ohio+%22tax+cuts%22+%22business+friendly%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
But you know, smart businesses also look at the educational level of a population, as well as other factors that are directly supported by taxes.
If the economic, social, educational, and human infrastructure is in bad shape, I sincerely doubt if that is going to attract many businesses.
posted by ilovetoledo on Sep 24, 2009 at 05:00:03 pm #
Sep 22, 2009 Dayton Daily News story titled Ohio’s tax system unfriendly to business, report says :
The foundation said it ranks the states on the basis of corporate income, individual income, sales, property and unemployment insurance taxes. The “score” for each state is weighted based on the impact of a tax to a business, the foundation said.
The Ohio Department of Taxation doesn’t agree with the assessment, spokesman John Kohlstrand said. Under Ohio tax reforms enacted in 2005, the state has eliminated the corporation franchise tax — levied on either a business’ net worth or net income — and replaced it with the commercial activity tax (CAT), levied on gross receipts, the revenue of a business, Kohlstrand noted. The Ohio Supreme Court upheld the CAT last week, rejecting a challenge by Ohio grocers.
The state also is phasing out personal property taxes on a company’s machinery, equipment and inventory, a levy that had been in effect since 1846. In addition, Ohio is phasing in a 21 percent, across-the-board reduction in personal income taxes, which should be completely reflected in 2010 tax returns, Kohlstrand said. That, coupled with other state tax reforms in recent years, reduces the collective burden on Ohio taxpayers by $2.1 billion, he said.
The top 10 states in the 2010 Index, from 1st to 10th, are:
1. South Dakota
2. Wyoming
3. Alaska
4. Nevada
5. Florida
6. Montana
7. New Hampshire
8. Delaware
10. Washington and Utah
The bottom 10 states, from 41st to 50th, are
41. Vermont
42. Wisconsin
43. Minnesota
44. Rhode Island
45. Maryland
46. Iowa
47. Ohio
48. California
49. New York
50. New Jersey
I agree with Ryan. I dont go as often as I'd like but 100% of the time it's on the weekend.
Most people can't go M-F let alone during the day.
Always felt companies struggling should cut their weakest hours first like before noon M-F or heck before 2-3pm M-F.
But the weekend? :(
posted by INeedCoffee on Sep 24, 2009 at 09:32:05 pm #
Why dont we just sign all of our paychecks over to the state and federal governments and let them decide how our money should be spent.They would give us our housing,our food,our clothing,our health care,our public transportation and maybe have a library that is open on saturday.That way everybody would be equal and we wouldn't be able to bitch about all those rich bastards.We could just take all their money and spend it on the masses.
posted by buckeye278 on Sep 24, 2009 at 09:56:00 pm #
Check out this article. I will post key excerpts:
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/01/26/BRAG.ART_ART_01-26-08_A1_J495SR8.html
"State income-tax rates are being slashed by 21 percent."
"A despised state tax on business inventories is being phased out, as is the corporate-franchise tax."
"Limits were imposed on damages in medical malpractice cases and lawsuits against businesses."
"The state continues to award a host of grants, loans, tax abatements and other breaks in exchange for the promise of jobs."
"The consequence could be that the state will soon not have sufficient resources to pay for all of the services that businesses expect from states, including a good educational system to produce an educated work force, training programs to make workers job-ready, and the like."
posted by ilovetoledo on Sep 24, 2009 at 10:02:34 pm #
BUT - it might be planned that way so that if they find they have to cut hours, then they figure they should cut them where it'll hurt the public the most - then ask for more bucks.
Yes, because this is what the mission of libraries is, hurting the public as much as possible.
Just an FYI- The Way Public Library in Perrysburg will still be open both Saturdays and Sundays. Also, for those of you who don't attend school, all ohio state financial aid has been eliminated also, on top of most library closing. I thought education was going to be priority this time around but unforunatly that is not the case. It seems like the only fat being cut from the state budget is educational fat.
posted by jennygirlmarie on Sep 24, 2009 at 11:44:45 pm #
i love toledo has gotten his union underwear all balled up again about bush and republicans and lower taxes. Fact of the matter is that Ohio is still a hell of a long way away from being business friendly. Too high of taxes and way too many bad union attitudes. For those of us who have broken away from union jobs and have become successful on their own have also found that leaving town is beneficial to retaining a better living with lower taxes. Hang in there i love toledo cuz you belong.
posted by michiganbluecollar on Sep 25, 2009 at 05:25:42 am #
Recent Report: "Tax Cuts Don't Improve Ohio's Economy"
http://www.ctj.org/taxjusticedigest/archive/2009/01/new_report_tax_cuts_dont_impro.php
"The report finds unmistakable evidence that the state's relative economic decline accelerated since H.B. 66 was passed." In terms of important economic indicators including economic output, productivity, manufacturing and income, Ohioans haven't enjoyed any of the promises that tax cuts were said to provide."
posted by ilovetoledo on Sep 25, 2009 at 07:18:31 am #
Another nice articles for "have your cake and eat it too Republicans," written by a Republican.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/24/fiscal-spending-taxes-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html
posted by ilovetoledo on Sep 25, 2009 at 07:50:01 am #
I love it when you read "about CTJ" and the second goal they have is "Requiring the wealthy to pay their fair share"
Quick que to stop reading.
"Requiring the wealthy to pay their fair share"
What do poor people need with the huge defence, security, and judicial system of the US? It is rich who require it all.
posted by ilovetoledo on Sep 25, 2009 at 07:55:52 am #
Poor people dont need security?
By that are you saying we should cut the programs that provide security for them then?
Sure, poor people need security, but that is not why we have this huge structure. It is for the rich to protect the status quo. You don't think they built all this stuff for poor people do you? If that's what you think, then you are more naive than I thought. Then there are the Bush wars. It wasn't the poor and middle class who wanted those, but instead Bush's cronies who pushed for that. Let W and his "haves" and "have mores" pay for just those and I will be happy!
posted by ilovetoledo on Sep 25, 2009 at 08:26:06 am #
Dude - bush isnt the president any more. And on top of that, the president doesnt declare war, congress does. The dem's have had the majority there since 2006. Why are we still there if it's all bush??
Now, here's a little experiment for you - you give me two numbers. First is the amount of income where greater than or equal to makes you "rich" and the second amount where equal to or lesser than makes you "poor".
You give me those two figures and I'll provide you with the percent of taxes that those various groups pay, and you can see if they're fair or not.
You'll get to make the call.
Undeniably, the root of so many of our current problems was the Bush administration.
"There's no question in my view that Bush was the most fiscally irresponsible president in the history of the republic," said David M. Walker, the comptroller general under Bush. (A republican)
From Pat Buchanan:
"We charge that a cabal of polemicists and public officials seek to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interests. We charge them with colluding with Israel to ignite those wars and destroy the Oslo Accords. We charge them with deliberately damaging U.S. relations with every state in the Arab world that defies Israel or supports the Palestinian people’s right to a homeland of their own. We charge that they have alienated friends and allies all over the Islamic and Western world through their arrogance, hubris, and bellicosity."
posted by ilovetoledo on Sep 25, 2009 at 09:00:54 am #
Tell me, how can we solve the current mess left by your cheerleader buddy if we don't recognize its roots?
posted by ilovetoledo on Sep 25, 2009 at 09:02:01 am #
You wanna back up your assumptions who is my buddy? Or you just wanna answer the questions and the challenge that was presented?
You're getting a bit bitchy - did I err in assumming you were a guy?
and if you want to start quoting former presidential employees, you want to go look at some of Dick Morris's stuff, or should we just leave that all go?
"You're getting a bit bitchy." Gee, that's funny.
Hey, calm down. All I'm doing is pointing out Republican hypocrisy and fault with respect to the current mess our nation faces. If you want facts, figures, definitions, and the like you can go dig it up yourself. If you want to split hairs about the meaning of words, then you are welcome to do that with yourself. The fact is there is alot of truth concerning what me and the Republicans I quoted have said. If it was all laughable you would not be getting so upset and defensive about it. No, I must have struck a nerve or you would not be responding as you do.
posted by ilovetoledo on Sep 25, 2009 at 09:30:01 am #
translate - no, I wont answer your questions about why since 2006 we're still in the middle east, nor am I willing to do anything but whine that the rich dont pay their share of taxes, but will not look into the true facts.
...just pointing out local liberal hypocracy....
"Now, here's a little experiment for you - you give me two numbers. First is the amount of income where greater than or equal to makes you "rich" and the second amount where equal to or lesser than makes you "poor".
Can I play this game?
"The total federal, state and local effective tax rate for the richest one percent of Americans (30.9 percent) is only slightly higher than the average effective tax rate for the remaining 99 percent of Americans (29.4 percent)."
(source)
Sure, anyone can play. All sources count, no matter if they are credible or not.
You realize they're not criticizing the report I linked to?
Well really, who could take it seriously?
You pull up CTJ and the first word in their own description of themselves is 'liberal' - so that says loud and clear that their first drive is political before anything else.
I go into the stats of the article and see they are provided by Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. I google Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy and it takes me right back to the CTJ site.
So by now Im starting to smell the coffee burning, and I look further for more NON CTJ items and the first thing I find is an article by someone else taking another of their articles and showing it's full of holes.
We can play he said she said all day long and toss left wing and right wing stuff back and forth, but seriously, what's the point - you're not going to prove anything to me with that kind of posting, and I honestly dont give a shit what you think so I'll stick by "didnt care".
Well you could try to critique the numbers, but if all you have is general whininess then next time we'll try something a little more your speed.
Whatever Pink Twit -- Or you could just provide numbers from a more reputable source.
"Reputable source" = something that already fits "billy's" small-minded world view.
People of Toledo Talk...please DON'T challenge "billie" with things like numbers and facts (they're hard). Only site "reputable" sources, like the corporate-funded Heritage Foundation. And please use small words like "twit" and "shit". Help a billie out, please
LOL - I do so enjoy toying with you hyper inflated ego types by putting in BS just because you physically can not not get the final word in.
Looking forward to your next post and your next left wing copy/paste
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