Pizza delivery woman shot in east toledo

Ain't many people gonna go chasing after a couple of thugs, carrying loaded weapons, who just gone done shooting somebody. Especially at night, in east Toledo. C'mon....get real.

Have to agree with Charles here.

They picked up one of them and have a warrant for the other so someone called the police.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100212/NEWS02/100219854

Pathetic. Rob and shoot a pizza delivery person for maybe $25 or so. Thugs.

and it's going to get worse.

For all those that bought into Herr Finkenheimer's "vision" of a "VIBRANT Toledo", guess what...

Toledo is a dying town.

All the Mike Bells in the world cannot undo years of misfeasance, malfeasance and corruption that has charted Toledo onto the course it is on now.
As jobs disappear and the economy tightens, less-than-honorable means to sustain a living are employed.
Mugging Pizza drivers is just the tip of the iceberg that is ahead.

Muffdiver, Toledo must not be alone as a dying town. This link, http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009/CityCrime2009_Rank_Rev.pdf , shows Toledo ranked 68th, Cleveland ranked 8th, Cincinnati 19th, Dayton 20th, Columbus 38th, Canton 50th, and Birmingham, Alabama ranked 7th. We might want to think about leaving Ohio enmass and emigrating to a safer state like Texas. Houston was only 57th in the rankings of high crime.

I agree with MuffDiver.

Crime in Toledo is going to get worse. And as far as the city budget deficit is concerned, it's not going to improve any, in 2011 or 2012. It will get worse.

A lot of people are still collecting regular unemployment benefits right now; and extended unemployment benefits. People are legally required to pay city income taxes on this income. When people can't find a job, and have exhausted all of their unemployment benefits, crime will go up, and city income tax revenues will continue to fall.

It will be interesting to hear how the suspect was caught !!

Fingerprints on the shell casing ?

Footprints in the snow, that lead directly to his apartment ?

Fingerprints on the door / doorknob ?

Did the guy use his own cell phone, to order the pizza ?

Toledo needs Batman

Crime going up because of the economy? Some crimes maybe, but this kind of crime, no way. For a lousy $25? What is that going to change?
As far as chasing the thugs, that is just one option. Many things can be done, watching where they run, maybe chasing or "following" them from a distance. Risky? yes.
Either let the thugs take over the neighborhood or take a stand, but don't hide behind your front doors and cry about crime.

Well, they caught the two guys so it doesn't matter that neighbors didn't "chase" them. They're off the street and will likely remain so for a while.

9:20 pm on a frozen winter night - why are we giving so much grief to the neighbors? By the time they heard a gunshot and ventured out, the thugs would have already been long gone.

Im with mike - If I was in the family room with the TV on at a decent level, I wouldnt have necessarily heard a shot. and even if the dogs did and went nuts, chances are I'd go out to the front window, looked out, and if I didnt see anything, probably sat back down.

I think I'm giving the wrong impression here. I'm not blaming the neighbors. For all I know it was the neighbors that gave the info to catch these guys.
I was just trying to make the point that this is a horrible crime and with neighbors being aware, the crime could be solved. As it seems to be now.

It makes a big difference when the common variety of thug knows that the neighbors will pop out of their houses like prairie dogs at the sound of gunshots. Remember, at their heart, thugs are basically cowards. That's why they assault people with guns. That's why they resort to drugs and alcohol and abusing women so much. So neighborhood response causes them to shy away.

Want to see a tough-talking shitbag thug in East Toledo turning into a mewling little girl? In the midst of his ranting or violence or other such barbaric behavior, just call the police right in front of him. I've done it, and his inner coward (which is what really drives all such animals) becomes quickly exposed. And when he has to interact with cops, it's "sir this" and "sir that" (not that the police are fooled). Watching these scumbags wuss out is pure enjoyment for me. I'm considering putting 911 on speed-dial on my cellphone. LOL!

And for the record: I DO blame the neighbors. When you hide in your house, the animals outside run rampant. That's how gangs come to dominate. Look at what a gang is largely composed of: Beaten-down, stupid boys with sexual insecurities and substance addictions. How can such a worthless human being come to dominate the streets? How can such a pathetic creature achieve supremacy over the hard-nosed working class? The only logical answer is that working class decides to hide. When the lion refuses to stalk the veldt, it only stands to reason that the gazelles will multiply without bound.

Sorry, wrong answer about the hardnosed working class. The full force of the law will come down on THEM if they address this issue. At least at this present time. But that is something that might well change at some point. Your "lion" is in a cage of criminal rights bars. But one day the lock will come off.

Uh yeah, so like anyways... the neighbors DID help.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/video?id=7274651

Sorry for the tangent, and I know we all need to work, but a female pizza delivery driver, working at night alone. That is just a bad idea.

TAHL

female, delivering pizzas at night, on the east side? That's a recipe for trouble.

Here's the deal, though: when the thugs placed the order they had no clue which driver would get the run. They had crime on the top of their sociopathic minds (admittedly among the most pointless of crimes, as pizza delivery drivers generally carry little cash) and they would have jacked any driver, male or female.

There are any number of ways this robbery could have gone wrong (driver tried to resist, something/someone startled the robbers) but my guess is at least the shooter had every intention of leaving no witnesses when the robbery was set up. Two shots, including one to the chest? This sounds like pre-meditation to me.

I know well the Toledo pizza delivery business, having owned five pizza restaurants from 1990-1999 and even working off and on as delivery driver when I first went back to school. My little business averaged about three robberies or burglaries a year (inside and to drivers) and this kind of shit makes my skin crawl. It got so bad that I used to have visions of getting robbed and cracking open the perp's skull with the table-mounted commercial can opener.

Luckily, a robbery never happened on my shifts, and even luckier none of my people ever wound up injured. So to those of you who look at this tragedy and think things have suddenly gotten apocalyptic, unfortunately there ain't nothin' new under the sun. My stores were held up by guns, crossbows, knives and even a pair of scissors (a frightening weapon when held to a 16-year-old cashier's neck, don't laugh) and as long as there is cash, drug-craving thugs will want it.

If we really wanted to lower crime, we would end the War on Drugs, but that is another story.

This morning I received an e-mail from an old friend of mine. A guy that worked with me at a pizza shop, in west Toledo, for about 8 1/2 years, during the 1990's and thru 2001. We were both pizza delivery drivers, for several years, while we were going to college and a couple years afterwards; a few nights a week, for some extra side money.

Well, my friend just reminded me that Henry Johnson, 1 of the suspects in this robbery, worked at our store for a short period of time, around the latter part of 2000 or early 2001.

We used to have a nick-name for Henry too... His nickname was "Dirty Little Henry." - And I'm going to tell you why.

My buddy and I worked at this pizza shop for a lot of years. We'd seen many characters come and go.

Towards the latter part of 2000 or early 2001, Henry Johnson and another inside employee came on board. They were both cooks. A few weeks after Henry started working, the toilet in the bathroom got plugged-up, so the store manager had to call a plumber out to fix the problem.

The plumber did his job, un-clogged the toilet and informed the manager why the toilet had been plugged-up. Someone tried to flush a couple "blue disposable towels" down the toilet. If anyone has worked in a restaurant, fast food joint or food related business before, you probably know what kind of towels I'm talking about.

The store manager put up a BIG note on the wall, informing everyone what the plumber had found, and whoever was doing this, had better not do it anymore.

Over the course of the next week or two, other co-workers began noticing these "blue disposable towels" in the garbage can, in the bathroom, next to the toilet, just under the sink. When the person was taking out the trash, they could see that someone had been using these towels, to wipe themselves, when they went to the bathroom. Talk about something NASTY !!

Then someone found 1 of these "blue disposable towels" on a metal rack, in the bathroom, where some bleach, cleaning solution and cleaning supplies were stored. Again, this "blue disposable towel" was all bunched-up and it had fecal matter on it, because someone had wiped themself with the towel.

This was absolutely disgusting to everyone else that worked in the store. People kept guessing as to who might be responsible for this. The store manager held a brief mandatory meeting, to discuss the problem with everyone. As she was talking about it, my buddy and I looked over at Henry. Up to this point, we pretty much had Henry pegged as our main suspect. Well, we looked over at Henry, and there he was, standing there smiling and giggling - as the store manager gave everyone a speech about the situation.

We nicknamed him "Little Dirty Henry"

Several weeks later, he was fired for missing a few days of work, without calling ahead. The problem with the "blue disposable towels," never came up again, after Henry was gone.

His nickname was "Dirty Little Henry"

Unfortunately, crime is up everywhere, and little can be done about it other than being extra vigilant. Even home invasions are up. I swear I don't know why some people open their doors at night when someone knocks.