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TPS to drop uniforms amid budget crisis

This was posted on WTOL's website about 5 days ago...

TOLEDO, OH (WTOL) - Unable to provide funding to make sure all students can have school uniforms, the district plans to drop the uniform requirement in exchange for a strict dress policy.

created by MrsPhoenix on Mar 30, 2010 at 05:52:35 pm     Education     Comments: 20

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I would think the uniforms are cheaper than street clothes. How many kids relied on the grant to pay for uniforms, and how much do they cost? It should have been included in the news report. They can't be that expensive.

posted by renegade on Mar 30, 2010 at 06:12:25 pm     #  

pants on the ground?

posted by justareviewer on Mar 30, 2010 at 07:25:15 pm     #  

Uniforms are A LOT cheaper and easier than buying a school wardrobe.

My kids attend a Catholic school. They only really need at most 4-5 full uniforms. Most households with kids do laundry several time a week, right?

I spent a whopping $100 per kid on school clothes this year (including shoes). You can find great sales on uniforms at the beginning of the year. My kids shirts were around $7 each at JcPenny's beginning of the year sale. (And the uniforms clean up well - easy to get spots/stains out of, and have held up well to repeated washings. "Normal" clothes don't seem to hold up as well, IMO.)

I cringe to think of what I would have spent per kid on "school clothes" if not for the uniforms. Eek!

P.S. Yes, my kids still need play clothes, which I would have had to keep on hand even without uniforms. Its not like I would have let them use school clothes as play clothes. And yes, I still need to buy some "nice" outfits for outside of school. However, I don't have nearly as many of those clothes either, since they spend such a large chunk of the week in school.

posted by mom2 on Mar 30, 2010 at 07:29:33 pm     #  

Also, my kids school has a uniform exchange at the end of every year. You can trade in the prior year's size for the upcoming year's size. Or, if you don't have anything to trade, you can purchase used uniforms for dirt cheap. (A buck or two for a shirt, etc.)

In addition, our school has donated leftover uniforms from the exchange to TPS students in need. And we've had mid-year uniform drives to help TPS students with replacement uniforms as well.

A parent organization at TPS could easily organize a uniform exchange, and I know several other local Catholic schools that donate used uniforms to TPS as well.

I've also seen school uniforms on sale at Savers as well.

There are options out there for people to get uniforms, other than just TPS paying for vouchers.

posted by mom2 on Mar 30, 2010 at 07:34:53 pm     #  

also, are they really uniforms? my grandson goes to Oakdale and he just wears khakis or dark blue pants with yellow or light blue or white shirts. These look like just regular clothes...are they called a uniform because those are your only choices?

posted by nana on Mar 31, 2010 at 10:51:52 pm     #  

The issue isn't the expense. The issue is the regimentalization of children who are supposed to grow up to be free men and women. Uniforms are an affront to the principles of liberty that we claim to honor. So let's stop just making those claims, and live them. Drop the uniforms.

posted by GuestZero on Apr 01, 2010 at 07:07:29 pm     #  

I'm a graduate of a small Lutheran Toledo elementary school and a well known Catholic Toledo high school. We didn't have "uniforms", but we did have a dress code.

It was not hard to follow--grade school was collared dress shirt (either polo shirt or button-down linen), khakis or dress pants, no tennis/athletic shoes (i.e. wear dressier shoes), and black socks. In high school, subtract the polo shirts--just dress shirts and a tie were required along with dress pants, etc. I learned to tie a necktie with one hand in 30 seconds (while running to class)!

Two observations:

1.) Parents who fear the expense of dressing children for schools with dress codes (as opposed to uniforms from the school) need to get a eff'n grip. Where are you shopping? Your child does not need 6 shirts from Banana Republic, 5 pairs of pants from Brooks Brothers, etc. Wal-Mart sells these items cheap. Want cheaper--Goodwill has a ton of dress shirts (along with tons of gently-worn kids clothes), belts, socks, etc.

Mom & Dad spent their extra money on my tuition--they didn't have an endless font of cash to dress me like a southern dandy too. Looking at old pictures, I looked just fine. Played at recess in my dress clothes. Grass stains washed out. Ripped clothes from rough play at recess or a fight? Back to Goodwill for a $2 shirt or go without for a while.

I honestly don't see why dressing your child in something better than a t-shirt and jeans is such a goddamn burden. I feel like some of these parents will buy their kids $200 sneakers, $40 jeans, designer label t-shirts from Abercrombe or Sean John, but recoil in horror over the price of respectable clothing. WTF?

2.) GZ, I agree with you about the rigidness of uniforms and the message it may send. However, I don't see anything wrong with getting kids in the habit of learning how to dress respectably. Life is more than whatever horror that constitutes "trendy" fashion or the usual t-shirt/jeans combo. There are norms in prosperous society that all kids should know so they can access that area of society in future life--and one of those rules is "Don't dress like a ghetto thug/tramp". Unfortunately many of our students do dress this way because of an absence of supervision/consequences/sanity from home. Having the school lay down some sort of dress rules only helps in my opinion.

Oh--and you parents who dress your 10 year old daughters in shirts with the Playboy bunny logo or shorts with the word "Juicy" across the rear should be ashamed of yourself. I just want to punch out the parents when I see that garbage...

posted by oldhometown on Apr 02, 2010 at 11:21:37 pm     #  


posted by upso on Apr 03, 2010 at 10:23:45 am     #  

TPS has to drop uniforms if they no longer provide subsidies to the parents of economically disadvantaged students as required in ORC3313.665 Conditions for adopting dress code or school uniform policy - Section C: No specific uniform shall be required in any school unless the board includes in the policy adopted under this section a procedure to assist parents of economically disadvantaged students to obtain uniforms. This procedure may include using school district funds or funds from other sources to provide this assistance.

They can't provide nor find the funding therefore uniforms can not be required and the best they can do is adopt a dress code.

Whether it is good or bad the law requires the assistance and until there is a change in the law.

posted by sflagg on Apr 08, 2010 at 07:06:10 am     #  

$51,000 in overtime = 510 uniforms.

posted by toledoinmd on Apr 08, 2010 at 09:27:42 am     #  

Actually sflagg, TPS never had 'uniforms', they had a 'dress code'.

posted by ShonuffisDead on Apr 08, 2010 at 11:56:42 am     #  

"TPS never had 'uniforms' ..."

Let TPS know that because their Web site says Uniform Information:

The TPS Uniform Policy will be continued for the 2009-2010 school year. All kindergarten through eighth grade students will be required to wear uniforms in all TPS elementary and middle schools. All high school students will be required to follow a specific dress code. This policy will be in effect on the first day of school.

Uniforms can be purchase at many locations, including, but not limited to: The Andersons, Dillards, Elder-Beerman, Ireland's Embroidery & Custom Printing, LeRoyana's School Apperal & Shoes, LLC, K-Mart, Kohl's J. C. Penny, Rainbow (River East Plaza), Schoolbelles, School Matters, Sears, Target, Uniform Mart, Wal-Mart, and Woodville Surplus. You may also check Salvation Army and Goodwill.

Again his year, School Matters will be the TPS official vendor for the "free" uniforms.

posted by jr on Apr 08, 2010 at 01:29:45 pm     #  

High school is what I am talking about because that is what I am familiar with. They were very specific not to call it a 'Uniform' in the letters home.

(Beginning 2009-2010 School Year)
No hooded clothing or
sweatshirts of ANY kind.
All tops must be long
enough to tuck into pants.
Tops must be tucked in.
Blouses with a collar, traditional
polos with collars and turtlenecks in
any solid color
Dress shirts, polo or oxford buttondown
shirts with collars and
turtlenecks in any solid color
Any solid color
No jeans or sweat suits for
either males or females.
Pants must be at waist.
Skirts, jumpers, slacks, knee length
shorts, or skorts, capris all items
knee length or longer
Dress pants
corduroy pants
knee-length shorts
In solid colors of
dark blue/navy,
khaki/tan, black.
Can be uniform,
dress or corduroy.
No Hoods
Cardigans, pullovers or vests in any solid color
Any solid color
SOCKS Matching socks, nylons, or tights Matching socks Any color/pattern
Black or dark dress shoes/boots with enclosed heels and toes, and height of
heel no higher than one inch. Pants MUST be worn outside of boots.
No platforms or slippers.
Black or dark tied laces in shoes designed for laces.
Black or dark
Body of Shoe MUST be White, Gray or Black
Laces must match
the body color of
the shoe
BELTS Belts required for all bottoms with belt loops. Any Color
TIES If students choose, they may wear a dress tie that is tied.
Students must wear a gym uniform as determined by the school.

posted by ShonuffisDead on Apr 08, 2010 at 10:33:10 pm     #  

"High school is what I am talking about because that is what I am familiar with."

OK, that's fine now, but you were incorrect in your earlier statement when you said TPS never had uniforms because it clearly says on the TPS Web site:

"All kindergarten through eighth grade students will be required to wear uniforms in all TPS elementary and middle schools."

The TPS Web site mentions the difference between uniforms in K-8 and a dress code in high school.

"Assistance will be provided to families who complete the application process and meet the eligibility guidelines for assistance. Toledo Public Schools provides no assistance for the High School Dress Code. Applications for assistance in obtaining uniforms will be available beginning July 13, 2009 between the hours of 8:30 a.m. and 3:30 p.m."

Its nise to see obvios speling errers on TPSs' Web cite. Just on there Uniform Information page:

  • "Uniforms can be purchase at many locations, including, but not limited to ..."
  • "Again his year, School Matters will be the TPS official vendor for the "free" uniforms."

posted by jr on Apr 09, 2010 at 01:00:18 am     #  

LOL, jr, maybe their webmaster isn't able to edit himself once he's posted something! ;)


That high school "dress code" sure sounds uniform-ish to me. When you dictate the colors of pants people can wear and disallow tops that aren't solid colors, is it really a huge leap to calling the standards a uniform? Not that I have any real objection to either uniforms or "strict dress codes" in public schools. I'm just sayin'.

posted by jmleong on Apr 09, 2010 at 10:30:08 pm     #  

I just know they couldn't call it a uniform, because then they would have had to offer assistance paying for it. So, they called it a dress code.

posted by ShonuffisDead on Apr 10, 2010 at 07:15:11 pm     #  

Whats wrong with a dress code?

posted by Linecrosser on Apr 10, 2010 at 07:39:44 pm     #  

Nothing...dress codes are great...but when you call it a uniform, you have to pay for those that can't buy it themselves (75% of TPS students)That's why they called it a dress code in High School so they wouldn't have to pay for it.

posted by ShonuffisDead on Apr 11, 2010 at 10:58:29 am     #  

Having been in both TpS when they used Uniforms, then just going to a school dist that uses dress a parent I prefer the dress code. School uniforms are a whole seperate expense that has no pratical application in our life. My stepkids can wear the dresscode clothing outside of school.

I love the dress code that you find in Sprinfield.

I like dress codes in schools. School is about learning, and providing an education: not a fashion show.

posted by OhioKimono on Apr 11, 2010 at 04:02:27 pm     #  

Seperately, there is a difference in style between the TPS uniforms, and the Springfield dress codes. Speaking from first hand experaince.

posted by OhioKimono on Apr 11, 2010 at 04:04:13 pm     #