Informal Poll: Should they rebuild Big Butter Jesus?

Looks like Jesus morphed into a big insect. Franz Kafka and The Metamorphosis come to mind. Hope that's not a mayfly.

"Should they rebuild?"

Golden op to create jobs.

Although that state and church thing might interfere.

Just wait three days or so.....

IF they rebuild, make sure to put some lightning rods in his fingertips...

LOL OMG, this is so funny.

If they build it................He will come.

TAHL

According to one story:

"The amphitheater, statue and surrounding area had lightning resisters and grounding rods to dispense lightning into the ground, but for some reason they did not work, Neu said."

... perhaps that reason was GOD'S WILL?

Does their policy cover Acts of God?

And if it does, wouldn't this constitute arson and insurance fraud... God setting His Son on fire for the insurance money?

I have a better idea. Scrap the fucker and give the money TO THE NEEDY like Jesus wanted. I'm sure He is not pleased at how this church is trying to kiss His Ass instead of doing as He asked.

it's not a mayfly...

... it's a prAying mantice

AC, you miss the entire point of why that was built in the first place. Do you have any idea how many people came to God because of that? It made people think and start up conversations, etc.
You could throw all the money in the world at problems and there will still be problems. God wants people to be churched and follow his teachings. You have to have a balance.

How many people came to God because of Touchdown Jesus? ZERO. I think you also forgot that His Son was nailed to a cross in part for telling off the people who were making a big deal about how much more devout they were.

Might want to have a look at Matthew 6:1-8. Jesus says you're doing it wrong if you're making a big deal about your worship.

I guess you can say the same thing about CedarCreeks commercials then, right?

No - you can't. I refuse to argue with you about this though.

Have a wonderful evening.

Hear Obama is coming to Ohio Friday with an offer to Solid Rock Church to have the statue replaced with one of this image...

That gawdy statue makes Christians look like self righteous assholes. The worst part of this whole thing is a major component of many a comedian's routine has been taken away.

Huh?

Am I the only one who watched the video of the burning, and turned on the soundtrack to the Omen?

Seriously - no it should not be rebuilt. It was a tacky display, and the money should be used to help the poor.

Amen!

My take - Exodus 20:4 (New International Version)

4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

Ive actually been a groomsman in two weddings where both bride and groom have knelt in front of a statue (both times it was of Mary). Was very bothersome to me both times. Exodus 20:5 states pretty clearly, "you should not bow down to them..." Im guessing if you are getting married in a church that follows the Bible, then you might not want to begin your married lives together by breaking the second commandment in front of all your friends and family!

That's the right to bear arms, isn't it?

Which Second Commandment?

http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm

an athiest's comments on what a church does with their own money is relevant how?

I spoke with a customer in Cinci this morning. She told me that the word on the street is that God was aiming for a Hustler store across the street and about 1/2 a block down but he sliced the shot and hit his kid.

The Banks song is funny, but the video made me laugh out loud. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq01UYiMyHg

Batman is one of my favorites.

I co-sign to Exodus 20:4. If this church loves HIM, they will keep HIS commandments. Just sayin'.

Billy, for getting this thing started
JR, for the Church and State zinger
estioney, for the quick wit - I liked that one!
oldhometown, for practical humor
TAHL, for a good laugh
AnonymousCoward, for getting it right
EnjoyEverySandwich, for telling us what it really looks like - good one!
Ryan, for stalking off in an Irish snit so the rest of us can have a good laugh
KraZyKat, for the best photo. What a hoot!
MuddyRiverDuck, for being the straight man to
Molsonator, rim shot! LOL!
OhioKimono, for the soundtrack joke AND for getting it right
Holland, for succinct support of OhioKimono. You said it all in one word!
Billy, again, for mentioning something that's always bothered me a little
Hank, for a good one that I had to think about. Rim shot!
and to my friend JimAvolt, for passing us the word on the street. I laugh every time I read that!

I needed cheering up tonight, and reading this thread provided me a nice mental lift.

_{takes a bow}

This is strictly unverified rumor, but I heard yesterday they intend to rebuild it, bigger and better than before...

Dont quote me - that's just what I heard one guy say...

http://www.whiotv.com/news/23901668/detail.html - its being rebuilt

Church members said the lightning strike and destructive fire stunned them. Many of them thought it was a sign they need to pay attention to.

Kevin Jones said, "I'm thinking it's a sign from Jesus that we need to learn something, as Christians, as a whole, we're not doing something right."

Ashley Morgan said, "It scares me, it really does, I think about what that symbolizes, to me that's a sign and not a good one."

Yet they are going to rebuild it...

It is 2010 and with all we now know about neuroscience, biology, the weather and biblical history it is amazing that there are still people who believe that there is an invisible sky deity who throws lightning bolts when he gets angry.

There are times I agree with your opinion CharmedQuark. I'm a show me the science person. But I'm very, very glad some of those folks do have a deep faith. Imagine if those masses of the less than intelligent, critical thinkers, who fall on superstition for for explanation of the unknown, had NO rules to live by?

If you choose to follow a faith or not is one of the great freedoms that we enjoy in our county. So Charmed what you are saying this that you would like one of the basic freedoms to be removed because "you don't like it".

We are reaching a dangerous tipping point in this country where we find it expectable to limit other's freedoms (smoking ban, unconstitutional gun laws, salt taxes) because we don't like what they are doing, even if those those actions in no way interfere with our pursuit of our happiness. I didn't get up and attend a church last Sunday morning but that shouldn't give me the ability to insult people who do.

One of the best parts of America is that we have the ability to assemble peacefully and have the ability to peacefully disagree. Science is full of holes and once every 10 years or so they have to re-invent the game because they find out everything they know what wrong. Remember scientist though the world was flat once upon a time, that they could turn lead to gold, and you can't even get a consensus among modern scientist that carbon dating is really all that accurate.

Live and let live, we don't always have to insult other's choices with our pre-conceived "greater intelligence".

Wow Holland, we all can't be as smart as you, lol.

True.

I guess I should clarify. There are intelligent people who have great faith. If science comes along or just plain common sense comes along and upends a particular belief they are the ones who don't deny the science. Example - homosexuality. There seems to be a lot more faithful folk in the deny science or reason camp than in the ability to accept reason or science camp. They appear decidedly lacking in critical thinking skills.

Holland you make a good point.

I have faith and I am Christian, but I don't quite agree with organized religion's version. The problem is we allowed State to intermingle with Church for too long. I believe the world would be a lot better place if everyone followed the 10 Commandments, but I don't believe they should be in our courthouses (as should no religious testaments). Even though I think 2 dudes getting it on is gross (I'm sorry I just do), I don't believe my feelings of grossness should limit the ability of others to engage in a civil union.

My counter point being is that we have begun to demonize (I am sometimes guilty of) the people we don't agree with (bible thumper, tea-bagger, crazy liberal) because it makes us feel better about our opinion. We are very close to losing the ability to freely debate with out descending into petty name calling and the facts become useless.

The Christian Right takes their share of knocks for a lot of their stances(mostly deserved), but we turn a blind eye to other faith's short comings. We hammer the Christians about their stance on gays but say nothing to how the Muslim faith objectifies / physically tortures females. Is it because Johnny Lutheran doesn't blow up buildings and he is an easier target?

At about age 19 - eons ago - I chucked the faith of my parents (Lutheran) because I found that I profoundly disagreed with just about all religious creeds, based on the belief systems that women should in some way or other be considered as subservient to men. I can't ever, EVER, accept the notion that women are not fully equal to men. I've lived my life fiercely protecting and advocating equality for women. Not in "burn the bra marches" but in everyday places and situations. Ask my husband. It takes a strong self assured male to partner with a strong self assured woman. A real man doesn't need or want a subservient woman.

Sad to hear that you were taught that women should be subserviant to men. It's not scriptural. Maybe a better translation, or maybe a more informed teacher would've helped you. Remember, JC said he was sending a 'helper' to man after he ascended - meaning the holy spirit. That phrasing of 'helper' certainly doesnt mean anything subservient. God gave women to man because man needed the help - ie, he couldnt do it alone.

Nothing's subserviant, and if your folks' church was teaching that, then good for you for getting out of it... If you havent hooked up with a proper scripture teaching church, you should. They're out there.

Billy, exactly.

Dear Dbw8906,

Please read my post again, nowhere did I state that people should lose their freedom to engage in superstitious beliefs. I fully support the right of people to believe whatever they wish.

You however seem to imply that there should be a restriction on commenting on your opinion of someone’s beliefs. One can certainly respect someone but still find their opinion or belief unsupported or even silly. One of the things that finally led to the downfall of the Klu Klux Klan was their being publically ridiculed on the radio.

Thomas Jefferson said: "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus." and "Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

Opinions reached through the scientific method are always open to change. There is nothing more that a competent scientist wants then to have his or her theory overturned because new evidence has been discovered. That is the beauty of science the method is what matters not the answer. Contrast this with dogmatic faith. Despite overwhelming evidence some will still cling to belief in a 6,000 year old universe, Noah’s Ark, an angry lightning smiting Yahweh despite the overwhelming evidence.

However it takes a lot of hard work to avoid falling into the trap of leaping for simple answers such as those offered through mythology, superstition or prejudice. Trying to think critically takes a lot more work. If I have learned anything, it is the more I learn the more I realize how little I really know. It is the constant learning driven by curiosity which is so fun if not humbling. I may have an opinion that believing in a jealous and angry sky deity who aims lightning to punish or send a message seems unlikely if not downright cartoon silly. However to think one knows that there is a supreme deity, who created him in his exact image and that one further knows exactly what this deity wants seems even more arrogant. If one thinks that somehow he or she is more deserving of the love or good graces of this deity then the thousands of the presently suffering and starving or dying people around the globe is downright incredible.

Our brains have evolved to be find patterns and agency. This tendency has been termed the “hyperactive agency detection device HADD”.

Witness the impact of drugs such as psilocybin which induces what experimental subjects described as a profound spiritual experience with lasting positive effects for most of them. Administering Ketamine will often induce “near death type experiences.”

To claim that Islam is not also ridiculed is to not have followed the popular debate led by individuals such as Christopher Hitchens.

There is a consensus on the ability to accurately date objects. I have not read or heard of any peer scientist in the National Academy of Science who believes that the universe is 6,000 years old rather then the earth being close to 4.6 billion years old or our universe 13.7 billion years old.

Peace be with you.

In my time at Ephiphany Lutheran Church on Reynolds Rd. the wedding vows for the bride included "to love, honor and obey". That caused me to have an ephiphany of my own.

If they have evolved since then good for them. "Helper"? That's how the the religious male heirarchy whitewashes it today? Huh. I'm nobody's "helper" either. Full partner or forget it. I'm not on this earth just because men have their hands full. What utter rubbish.

Hold your tongue woman and go fix us some dinner!

I suppose you want a beer too.

holland, you're heart has been hardened and you arent getting it. Picture someone as drowning in a lake. Help is on the way in the form of the coast guard... "helper" has many meanings. If you'd pick up a Strong's concordance and do a bit of research you'd find that what the bible talks about is no second hand helper as you're talking about... Think of helper and savior (small s) in the same light... But I digress.

Holland, my own wedding vows did not include any such thing. anyone can change their vows, no one is forced to say those. My own vows were to "love, honor, and respect one another"

Odd question, is the song really based on this?

Honestly I thought there was really a butter based Jesus statue somewhere.

Anyway, love the song author, has a great halloween song I'm still trying to find. But as for rebuilding.... not my cup of tea. Idols and all. I'm religious but have no feelings for a statue

INC, here's the first three lines - you be the judge:

In southern Ohio, just north of Cincinnati
I beheld a vision, next to the expressway.
Was a 60 foot jesus, with his hands in the air

From Holland: I suppose you want a beer too.

That's hot! I about snorted whiskey!

Obama still petitioning for a statue in his image

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I think if they built big butter Obama they will come....and then, maybe only then, will change happen!!!

See if you mention Obama you put Ryan into a state of mind where he is so relaxed he enters his transcendental state and falls asleep. Wonder if Ryan gets thrills and chills up his legs when he hears Obama speak?

And a boner, don't forget the boner.

Hey, it's their money. If they want to re-build it, more power to 'em.

As for this being a "sign" from God: No. It's just a lightning strike. Happens all the time. Do you know how many old churches have had their steeple struck by lightning? (Or hit by a tornado, earthquake, flood, fire.....)