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The Billionaires Bankrolling The Tea Party

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html?src=me&ref=general

A good journalist "follows the money." Today, it would behoove all citizens to do the same.

created by Anniecski on Aug 30, 2010 at 08:56:47 am     Politics     Comments: 44

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These idiots disturb me. It's the "desperate house wives" movement of politics.

posted by OhioKimono on Aug 30, 2010 at 09:00:17 am     #  

Money in politics? George Soros would be shocked...shocked.

Yawn

posted by oldhometown on Aug 30, 2010 at 09:13:17 am     #  

You're right Anniecski. When folks are finished with your link, they should do a little searching on billionaire George Soros and his bankrolling of moveon.org among other far left leaning organizations.

Money is the mother's milk of politics. Nothing and no one will ever change that. Those who have it to give will always find a way.

posted by Foodie on Aug 30, 2010 at 09:13:41 am     #  

I think (hope) that everyone here is in agreement that there is too much money in politics and that campaign donations is just legalized bribery. I don't care if it is the Koch brothers, George Soros or whoever, I don't like the idea of one small set of individuals having so much influence over the national debate. Although, as the article points out:

"Many of them tried to change the subject to George Soros, the billionaire backer of liberal causes. But Soros is a publicity hound who is transparent about where he shovels his money. And like many liberals ó selflessly or foolishly, depending on your point of view ó he supports causes that are unrelated to his business interests and that, if anything, raise his taxes."

posted by Ace_Face on Aug 30, 2010 at 09:31:25 am     #  

I'm glad no money is used to influence local politics.

posted by jr on Aug 30, 2010 at 09:33:56 am     #  

ROFL Annie just like Obama said he never took money from Big Oil, I guess if you don't count that he got more money from Big Oil than anyone else. (those silly facts getting in the way again)

You look silly trying to paint one side of the aisle, Red/Blue the only color that matters is GREEN.

posted by dbw8906 on Aug 30, 2010 at 10:02:26 am     #  

Isn't it interesting that when a very large group of the electorate coalesces around the ideas of fiscal conservatism, it scares the bejeebus out of politicians?

You know why?

Because if you take the money out of government, and leave it in the hands of the people who bust their ass for a living, then government's ability to engage in graft and suppress freedom is curtailed.

That's why.

posted by texlovera on Aug 30, 2010 at 12:13:44 pm     #  

The politicians engage in grafts and suppress freedom on behalf of big business.

Conservatives worry about the unwashed massed voting themselves benefits, but in reality itís the corporations and the rich who have been doing just that.

posted by SensorG on Aug 30, 2010 at 12:43:52 pm     #  

Molsonator - The media thing was well know added up to $1M, right?

Didn't the Koch boys give away at least two hundred of million dollars. Most of which is difficult to track. I don't get the apples to apples comparison.

posted by bobo on Aug 30, 2010 at 12:59:15 pm     #  

All you people going around thinking the Tea Party will have no effect in November-are just going to make the results that much harder to take!

posted by Wulf on Aug 30, 2010 at 01:00:14 pm     #  

SensorG By Conservatives you must mean those who "carry the water" and by "unwashed masses" you mean those who do nothing but "drink the water"? In this country it's become better to live off the system than to work to feed the system.

I can choose to fight corporate america by not living in consumerism and giving them every dollar I make on BS and speaking out against companies who abuse the system. Not a lot the average citizen can do about broken government spending except get angry and vote.

A good friend of mine lost his job due to downsizing and is now working and going back to school at night. He has to fight and struggle to make ends meet and pay for school. While I know a woman who has never worked a day in her life, squirted out 2 children she cares little for and lives off of everyone else paycheck. The State of Michigan paid 10k so she get could a massage degree!!! 10k for a F'n massage therapy degree! She flunked out in that career path, still has no job and now The State of Michigan is paying for a full ride at community.

It's examples like that people are no longer wishing to pay for.

posted by dbw8906 on Aug 30, 2010 at 01:06:57 pm     #  

dbw Ė and a single F22 Fighter jet that the defense department donít want cost $250 million. You can buy a lot of community college with $250 million, much less the almost 200 the politicians are forcing us and the US military to buy.

Why do you think the politicians we donít need or want? Could it be that big business is has our politicians bought and paid for?

posted by SensorG on Aug 30, 2010 at 01:36:51 pm     #  

The guys in the article bankrolling the tea partiers - George Soros et al bank rolling the progressives, and both sides jumping up and down crying foul. Funny.

posted by billy on Aug 30, 2010 at 02:09:46 pm     #  

Sensor G - That's a real complaint I have. We cut our education, which defines our future...but we have ample funding for military action and equipment. Don't get me wrong, I support the military (I'm from generations of military background). However our spending is lopsided and short sighted.

posted by OhioKimono on Aug 30, 2010 at 02:20:34 pm     #  

Thanks Wulf. We all needed a good laugh today. The Tea Party can't even agree on how many people were at Beck's debacle this weekend. They say from 300k to 1 million. It was about 80k. http://stevedoig.com/archives/250

The Tea Party doesn't even know what they stand for or who accurately represents them. How about you go buy another copy of the Overton Window or Going Rogue and try to figure it out?

posted by brainswell on Aug 30, 2010 at 03:14:56 pm     #  

...wondering why this is on ToledoTalk...

posted by toledolen_ on Aug 30, 2010 at 03:24:27 pm     #  

Why wouldnt it be?

posted by OhioKimono on Aug 30, 2010 at 03:26:22 pm     #  

the very rich who are gaming the government and fleecing the tax-payers have created the bogus fight - the false dicotomy - between the working poor and the middleclass. they find the wedge issues that attract enough voters for their candidates to win - for a couple election cycles they will go after the religious right; right now it is with fiscal conservatives; etc.

yep, there are training programs, food stamp programs, small business startup programs, and some other programs many of us liberals will support. sometimes people with bad intentions get some benefits that don't help society in the long run.

but most of the working poor and lower middle class are just as hard working as those that do make it to the upper middle class but don't quite get the good break; sometimes that bad breaks has a race or social or religious component. unfortunately for the working poor, the criminals and scammers live among them and get associated/lumped in with them. don't forget, as bad as you think you might have it, the working poor are most often the victim of criminals and scammers.

strip away the rhetoric on both sides and dbw and sensor have much more in common than those who live at the fringes at either end. those that do nothing but "drink the water" inhabit both extremes - at the low income end, the water is taken in drips; at the high income end it is a torrent.

posted by enjoyeverysandwich on Aug 30, 2010 at 03:28:46 pm     #  

Most of you would, I think, enjoy the "Common Sense" podcast from Dan Carlin. Politically independent, he skewers both sides, which probably explains why he isn't more popular: everyone just wants their own views reinforced.

http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/cs

posted by Ace_Face on Aug 30, 2010 at 03:52:41 pm     #  

Sensor G you are a 100% right, but if you want to add the wars up lets not forget the failure called the War on Drugs. But here is a good little fact from the CBO (please don't try to call them Fox News) http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Little-known-fact-Obamas-failed-stimulus-program-cost-more-than-the-Iraq-war-101302919.html

The stimulus cost more than the Iraq War! And even far Left leaning pundits will admit it fell short of the mark by quite some bit.

Enjoy it's not a complaint about my money going to help people, it's a complaint that it's dumped down the drain on programs that don't work. I understand your point of not throwing the baby out with the bath water but you can't honestly look at Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, and LA and tell me with a straight face that the empowerment programs we have work. Our welfare system hobbles people at birth and teaches them to live at the lowest common level. The real waste are the lives that are lost in it, the shame is that we up the ante every year to keep the concentration camps going, in all reality that is what they are. There is little hope of escape even after billions are dumped into every year.

If you are a lower middle class family trying to get by, it's financially better for you get divoriced and start sucking up "free money". It is honestly becoming better to not work than work if you are in a lower income bracket, thats a real problem we have to deal with.

posted by dbw8906 on Aug 30, 2010 at 03:59:57 pm     #  

The column is as much about Obama not standing up to the 'movement' as the movers and shakers behind the 'movement.'

posted by McCaskey on Aug 30, 2010 at 04:07:32 pm     #  

Last graph summarizes very well.

posted by McCaskey on Aug 30, 2010 at 04:09:08 pm     #  

I see a "clean sweep" coming in November! Ha-ha-he-he!

posted by Wulf on Aug 30, 2010 at 04:15:52 pm     #  

It's all, o-o-ver, but the cry-i-ing!

posted by Wulf on Aug 30, 2010 at 04:18:08 pm     #  

Each side has its backers.Neither side should complain about who is funding what.Why isn't anybody wondering where the money for Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson is coming from.I find it interesting that as soon a group comes forward to oppose what is happening in America today the left starts crying foul and wants an investigation into where the money is coming from.There are many groups in this country that are getting a free ride as far as scrutiny into their finances go.Why all of a sudden is the left so worried about the tea party?After all,according to the left the tea party is a bunch of unwashed nuts.So why care where their money comes from.

posted by buckeye278 on Aug 30, 2010 at 04:28:10 pm     #  

everyone just wants their own views reinforced.

This.

There is little interest in actually trying to come to solutions that will both benefit and attempt to please everyone (keyword there being "attempt"). Most people are only interested in trying to prove why their view is the correct one.

Rarely do I hear (or read) actual discussion. Just attacks. Ultimately, I think it's our own ability to try to find common ground that will hurt this country the most.

posted by valbee on Aug 30, 2010 at 05:05:17 pm     #  

Of course there's no attempt to placate everybody, when everybody wants what everybody wants, not now-but yesterday!

posted by Wulf on Aug 30, 2010 at 05:28:44 pm     #  

Look at the teabagger conservatards on here pointing "OH HEY SOROS!" Hey, if you check it out, Soros made a lot of his money BETTING AGAINST Republican/Conservative fiscal policies... that's why the conservatives HATE him. And he actually wants to pay MORE taxes.

But lest everyone forget, Clinton was running a SURPLUS. Then Chimpy McFlightsuit gets in and blows umpteen TRILLION bucks on "homeland security" (including an entire goddamn brand new Cabinet-level department, how's that for SMALL GOVERNMENT?), a war he couldn't finish because he let Osama get away (Afghanistan), and a completely unjustified war to get the guy who threatened his daddy (Iraq). And the entire time that was going on, all the people Bush put in office were busy removing or ignoring any regulations they could and getting all of you to take part in their big financial scams, which they knew amounted to a very big Ponzi scheme, and they all either took their money in salary and benefits and cash bonuses or sold their stock high (with insider knowledge) while the rest of us watched the 401ks they pushed us and our corporate masters to invest in go down the shitter.

And now all you ignorant, deluded dumbasses are falling for the same old "Democrats are gonna tax and spend and regulate us all to ruin!" and "Republicans are gonna CUT YOUR TAXES and cut government spending and shrink the government!" rhetoric. Because you didn't see or hear or think about how 350 pages of PATRIOT Act got passed without being read, how much money it takes to wage two wars and "rebuild Iraq" which wouldn't need rebuilding if we hadn't invaded in the first place, and so on. $1 TRILLION is the cost of the wars so far. $700 billion went to BUSH'S TARP bailout. Oh and don't forget about Medicare Part D, a Big Government Healthcare Program passed by Bush and Republicans! (which is somehow conveniently forgotten about because OBAMACARE!). That's about $500 billion of money to be spent by 2015. $2.2 trillion dollars of spending under Bush for shit we wouldn't have needed if Bush and the GOP that rode in with him were actually the "small government fiscal conservatives" we were promised.

But hey, the "Republicans" running right now and those folks with and under the "Tea Party" name are gonna be different and never ever were ever at any point joined or affiliated with or voted for or supported the Bush crowd, right? And it's obvious that we shouldn't raise taxes on the rich because TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS means the rich people will rebuild the middle class in America by buying lots of American-made goods and services from lots of hard-working Americans, right? Oh wait, these are the same rich fuckers who got rich by OUTSOURCING and SELLING OFF all our manufacturing and service jobs to Mexico, China, India, etc.

Also, anyone who claims to support small government, states' rights, less regulation, and so on, and then goes on to support anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage laws, is the BIGGEST FUCKING HYPOCRITICAL SACK OF SHIT, because both of those are MORE GOVERNMENT and MORE REGULATION because they are laws telling people what they CAN'T do. And if you read the Constitution and other relevant documents, that which isn't expressly forbidden is permitted unless and until ruled otherwise in a court of law.

Oh... and one thing about "Obamacare"... go ahead and repeal it... because given the number of "cancer clusters" popping up around here, someone will come up with cancer and (assuming they somehow have insurance) be denied coverage for it because of "pre-existing condition" or some other bullshit that "Obamacare" would have prevented them doing. Yup, I just so love driving around and seeing signs for Rich idIott and "repeal Obamacare" in the same areas I'm seeing on the news being investigated for cancer clusters... I take notes so the next time I hear about a cancer fundraiser/benefit, I'll know who not to feel sorry for (I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone, but if you decided to vote against your own interests, I can't feel as sorry for you.)

posted by anonymouscoward on Aug 30, 2010 at 05:55:06 pm     #  

What about the IDIOTIC ticket of "Hope and Change"? Come November-goodbye, and good effin riddance!

posted by Wulf on Aug 30, 2010 at 06:04:14 pm     #  

Besides, nothing has to be repealed, just de-funded. Works like a charm.

posted by Wulf on Aug 30, 2010 at 06:10:27 pm     #  

Typical Tea Bagger Wulf - all you want to do is fight and win, no plan for governing.

posted by SensorG on Aug 30, 2010 at 06:21:18 pm     #  

Winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing.

posted by Wulf on Aug 30, 2010 at 06:28:20 pm     #  

Governance should follow Darwinism-survival of the fittest.

posted by Wulf on Aug 30, 2010 at 06:29:19 pm     #  

AC it's good to see you have turned a blind eye to the failure of the keynesian economics that that the current admin has tried. You know the one that is failing at historic levels, and your only solution is to run to the corner with your thumb in your mouth and go "that bad Georgie punched me in eye". You complain about blow hards with no solutions but then do nothing but insult and slander people who don't agree with you and offer no solutions.

What they are doing (both sides of the isle) is not working! You complain about failure of the GOP but Dems have run Congress for the last 6 years and had a majority for the last 4! Obama got up on TV yesterday and said the GOP is slowing down the recovery by dragging their feet. YOU HAVE A MAJORITY! If the ideas he is presenting are so great why can't he even get his own team to back his plays?

You have drank too much of your own kool aid sir.

posted by dbw8906 on Aug 31, 2010 at 05:56:36 am     #  

It's the old case of rats deserting a sinking ship-obama will get nothing more passed, until he gets the boot himself.

posted by Wulf on Aug 31, 2010 at 10:31:51 pm     #  

George Carlin ~ The American Dream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q&feature=related

posted by wolfman on Sep 02, 2010 at 01:14:11 am     #  

Why do any of you think the next batch of stooges will make your life any better?

posted by dhr on Sep 02, 2010 at 04:38:27 pm     #  

I would like to give an apology to ToledoTalk for my careless posting of this thread "The Billionaires Bankrolling The Tea Party" after Anniecski had already done so. In my haste I accidentally double posted.

posted by wolfman on Sep 02, 2010 at 09:07:28 pm     #  

So let me get this straight. An article in... The New York Times is pointing out the fraud of the Tea Party movement? Ok... ok... I'll start by pointing out that the NY Times sets the standard for unbiased reporting. I mean, wow, if there is one place I want to go and find even handed reporting it's the NY Times! I mean, really.... the effort they have gone to inform the American public of the radical people behind the scenes of the Obama administration - first rate reporting all the way. The way that they use the same reporting instincts for the Obama administration that they did for the Bush administration - again - even handed all the way! (I hope you recognize by now the intended sarcasm.)

Ok... Frank Rich the author uses the following terms in this article to describe successful entrepreneurs:
1) Sugar Daddies
2) Tycoons
3) Fat Cats
4) Rich Conservative Republicans

No railing against success here...

We should all hate business people, those filthy rich! Do away with all successful people! Get rid of all those rich fat cats and I'm sure the jobs will just magically pour down from the heavens and the World will be great again.

Yeah, great article - I know it re-solidified my beliefs on the differences between conservative philosophy and liberal. Hats off to Frank Rich!

Amen

posted by Danneskjold on Sep 06, 2010 at 10:56:17 pm     #  

Danneskjold have you watched Fox News lately? One could make the same arguments against the Rupert Murdoch Channel as you do of The New York Times.

posted by wolfman on Sep 06, 2010 at 11:16:50 pm     #  

I lean toward fiscal conservatism (obviously - and not easy in Toledo) but try to scope out multiple news sources to capture different angles. A strange dynamic is to read Al Jazeera English version and then The Religion of Peace website afterward. Each has it's own merit.

If you watch Fox News and even avoid the shows with the most hyperbole (Hannity and Beck) you can't help but notice a glaring difference in their presentation compared to other mainstream media. When you watch Fox you WILL BE more informed and you will be presented with often uncomfortable, thought provoking knowledge then if you just watch other news sources.

I am not the most informed person when it comes to history and politics and find myself overwhelmed at times. That said, I rarely find cognitive, fact based discussions on sources such as MSNBC or even CNN anymore. I say this as someone who used to admire CNN's coverage many years ago.

I understand your question and agree with it up to a point. However, I think Fox News understands the void in the stories of our times and the bias being presented and from there fills in the facts - never underestimate the power of an informed public and the danger of ignorance.

In specific terms of the Tea Party or Sara Palin I try to look deeper into what their core beliefs are ... then... I want to know who opposes them. NAACP, why is the Tea Party a threat to you? What do you lose if they succeed in their mission? George Soros, why is the Tea Party a threat to you. I then research those affiliations and their statements so I do try to see different angles.

Probably a longer answer then necessary but I do think that Fox News is a beacon for a voice of rationality that many have tried to contain and like it or not the populace is much better for their News organization.

posted by Danneskjold on Sep 08, 2010 at 03:07:30 pm     #  

Fox News is an absolute joke. Nothing more, nothing less. They're in the same boat as CNN and MSNBC.

posted by dhr on Sep 09, 2010 at 05:43:03 pm     #  

dhr is correct. The press (before it became the media) was about reporting facts and pressing the government for truth. Freedom of the Press was a check against letting government run wild and blind to the American people. Now it's about profit and loss and sticking it to the other guy. Government loves it because it keeps them busy from reporting facts.

posted by dbw8906 on Sep 10, 2010 at 06:54:02 am     #