http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bb4_1283184704
WTF? Is this common in Bosnia?
THIS HAS GOT TO BE A NEW LOW
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Warning: don't click link if you don't want to see some horrible person throwing puppies into a river.
You don't get a warning video plays the second the page loads. I feel sick to my stomach :(
Can't understand how someone can be that cruel or horrible.
posted by INeedCoffee on Sep 01, 2010 at 07:24:11 pm #
Sorry about that, INeedCoffee. This video has gone viral, and is on the Detroit Free Press's web site. My colleagues were telling me about it.
It's not just the obvious "Charlie Manson" types that do such cruel things, but also the "girl next door" that you would never imagine. I hope they catch her and throw her in jail.
I agree with you Renegade. She may not be Charlie Manson- YET.. but she sure is well on her way... AND, don't forget the sicko who was with her and filmed it! I cannot believe there are people in this world capable of this crap. I hope she is found and prosecuted.
posted by golddustwoman on Sep 01, 2010 at 07:54:31 pm #
I hope the country she is in has laws against this kind of thing.
posted by OhioKimono on Sep 01, 2010 at 07:57:12 pm #
"AND, don't forget the sicko who was with her and filmed it! I cannot believe there are people in this world capable of this crap."
Golddustwoman, that's a good point. Who WOULD film such a thing. It makes me wonder if this is staged, since it was also posted on Youtube. Who does that? If it were a surveillance camera that caught this, then I wouldn't question it.
posted by toledolen_ on Sep 01, 2010 at 10:17:11 pm #
I read a headline somewhere that there is supposedly some question about this video's authenticity ... but I post that comment without ever having seen the video, and don't want to.
Thanks, INeedCoffee, for the explicit warning.
Sep 1, 2010 - Gawker - Transformers Director Michael Bay Offers $50,000 Bounty for Puppy-Throwing Girl
Old Timey Michael Bay does not seem to understand the crowd-sourced nature of the hunt. The anonymous Internet hooligans of 4chan's /b/ messageboard may have already uncovered the identity of a young girl and the person holding the camera, just as they found the woman who threw a cat in a trash can. Their [puppy] investigation points to a couple teens in Bosnia, and Bosnian police have launched an investigation into the video. (And the girl in question may have already offered an apology via YouTube.)
Alleged apology:
Why do kids think they have to tape every idiotic thing they do and then post it on the internet?
It's really odd when things are put into perspective regarding the backlash about this whole incident.
Just because they are puppies being killed by a young girl somehow makes this video more important and relevant than say a 40 year old man firing a bolt into the head of a cow.
How do people think people prepare dogs in parts of the world where they are eaten? Give them a treat and ask them to die nicely?
Life is sacred in all forms, but it is a lesson that is easily forgotten when socially desired. I am no vegetarian, and I acknowledge that killing and death are a part of life to make my diet possible, but I really cannot see any difference between this video and a slaughterhouse video, besides the small utility garnished by the meat harvesting in a slaughterhouse.
posted by brainswell on Sep 02, 2010 at 02:30:54 pm #
I cowboyed up and watched it. Yes, it is not easy to watch. I know that some people take it upon themselves to kill animals when they are unwanted. Very sad. Like throwing puppies in a Dumpster. My problem with this girl's apology is that she seemed to be having a little too much fun throwing them in the river (wheeeeee). And I also don't understand why this was filmed, then put on you tube. They had to know it would cause an outcry.
jr, saw the clip of the woman throwing the cat in the garbage can, too. The cat walked right up to her before she dumped it in the can. Glad to see it was found alive 15 hours later by its owner.
brainswell: I think you miss the point. Yes, it is horrible to know that a young girl could do this. In this country, we tend to think of kids as having some innocence and empathy. I know in other countries, kids are not looked at that way and in a lot of ways, kids in the US are losing innocence and empathy as well.
If we are to believe the apology written by this girl, then, the real horrific part to all of this is not that she is young, it is the mere fact that given the grim duty by "granny" to take care of sickly-parasitic ridden newborn puppies, she does not simply put them into a bag and throw them in the river (that way she would be doing it quickly and one would think it would be easier than hearing them cry one by one)no... this little twit decides to have herself a good ole time, launching the puppies one by one like stones/balls/toys into the rapidly moving waters. Each one crying/screaming and each one going silent. She picks them up ONE BY ONE, out of a bucket, methodically, and with joy, throwing them to their deaths. THAT is why people are upset!posted by golddustwoman on Sep 02, 2010 at 04:23:50 pm #
No, people are pissed because they are puppies, and because dogs are companion animals in our country, we tend to believe their lives are worth more than the lives of other animals because of the bonds we have had with dogs in our own lives.
People would not be upset if she was joyfully throwing diseased muskrats one by one into a river, and no one would care.
As for the innocence/empathy factor, it's going to be gone sooner or later, no matter how sheltered the child is. If you don't want your child to learn to deal with the "real world" of death, greed, pain, etc., you should have never had children in the first place.
An innocent childhood is another western myth our society has contrived. Realistically, a child's actions in these cases should be called "ignorance without appreciation of the consequences". If children were left alone on an island undisturbed, it would only be a matter of time before they invented murder, rape, fraud, etc. Knowledge, not innocence separates the moral from the immoral.
posted by brainswell on Sep 02, 2010 at 04:46:05 pm #
Speak for yourself. And something tells me you are. I don't see many here agreeing that throwing any innoocent animal into a river like it's a game is alright.
I understand where brainswell is coming from. What makes any of these puppies any different than the steak or chicken you're planning on eating tonight?
Um, because they were not thrown in a river as a 3 day old left to drowned?
Just a guess.
For starters, the puppies are domesticated animals raised for companionship, chicken and steak are raised for eating.
Second, while up for argument, cows and chickens are supposed to be killed humanely, not thrown in a river to drown.
and last, puppies are cute. Chickens and cows are not and taste good.
Ryan: Your logic implicates that a younger life is worth more than an older life. The argument is emotionally driven and if applied, would result in mercy killing of the aged.
Hockyfan: Chicken and cows are domesticated animals as well. They are not killed humanely. Watch a slaughterhouse video. Being bled out through your jugular after being tased is not so humane. The young of both chicken and cows are cute. Also, the taste comparison implies puppies are not pleasing on the palate. I'm sure you can find plenty of people on this planet who would disagree with you.
posted by brainswell on Sep 02, 2010 at 06:42:44 pm #
LMAO! Yes - thats EXACTLY what I meant and had nothing to do with an older dogs ability to swim.
They're still animals and they're still dead. We're complicit in the mass inhumane killing of untold numbers of animals for our selfish dietary choices. I suppose it really comes down to what hockeyfan said..."puppies are cute". That's pretty weak, if you ask me. Life is hard but I'm not going to make any excuses to make myself feel any better.
"For starters, the puppies are domesticated animals raised for companionship, chicken and steak are raised for eating. and last, puppies are cute. Chickens and cows are not and taste good."
Guinea Pigs are cute, and they're sold as pets in the U.S., but they're eaten in Ecuador.
If you find yourself in Ecuador or Peru, try the Guinea Pig
Others find it disconcerting to see the lovable little critters being eaten with relish after being roasted, fricasseed, fried, broiled, boiled or made into soup.
Grilled Guinea Pigs looked mighty tasty to me on an Anthony Bourdain No Reservations episode.
From an environmental, global warming standpoint, and all that jazz, it may make more sense energy-wise for Americans to raise and eat Guinea Pigs than to continue to eat our current farm animals. Like Bourdain joked, a Guinea Pig ranch can be started in an apartment.
We've had a pair of pet Guinea Pigs for about four years now named Munster and Reggie. They're safe, but if I'm in Ecuador or Peru on a bird watching adventure, I'm trying the grilled Guinea Pig.
Maybe instead of another damn pork or beef rib festival, this area should be progressive and a leader and hold a barbecue Guinea Pig event. I guess someone could try grilling Guinea Pig ribs at one the local rib-offs next year, but they better be priced differently.
So we're all in agreement. It's OK to kill cute pets for eating as long as they're humanely killed and prepared by a grillmaster.
This thread is ridiculous. We all know what happened was wrong. But the internet makes for some seriously warped views that just keep trying to back themselves up.
Eat a dog and then tell me about it.
"Eat a dog and then tell me about it."
Do we have any Korean markets in town that sell it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat
Dog meat on sale at Kyungdong Shijang Market, Seoul, Korea
Dog meat is currently consumed in a variety of countries such as China, Vietnam, the Philippines, and Korea.
I've eaten squirrel. Is that close?
I think there is a difference between an animal as a food source vs. killing an animal just for kicks. (Regardless of how "cute" the animal is.)
Deer are cute animals. I don't personally hunt or eat venison. However, there's a difference between a hunter killing a deer for food vs. someone tossing a deer off a bridge into a river.
My previous post is me just being silly. I kind of agree with one previous post that while horrible, this video is only a small example of the horrors that occur everyday in the world to most living things.
My serious response is that no animal should suffer, but I eat meat. I eat chicken, fish, steak, hamburger, etc. I have never eaten dog or puppy nor do I have a desire to.
I have been to a slaughter house right here in Ohio. They used a "bolt" and shot the cow in the back of the head. Once "brain dead" they hung it and "processed" it. I still eat meat. I believe the native americans had it right. Kill only what you can use/eat. Do not kill for sport.
Think mom and others made a good point. I've eaten animals I'd consider cut: deer, squirrels, cow, etc. It is a tough line. I couldn't butcher myself but I do feel there is a difference between killing for cruelty and for food. My family has a lot of hunters and I was brought up to respect the animal and to make it as quick and clean as possible. But that does seem a far cry from most slaughter houses. Maybe I should try kosher meats.
posted by INeedCoffee on Sep 02, 2010 at 10:40:07 pm #
kosher or halal, yeah
posted by toledolen_ on Sep 03, 2010 at 01:03:13 am #
Brainswell - Your logic implicates that a younger life is worth more than an older life.
I feel sorry for you as you must of had a very traumatic childhood or where left in the care of unloving people.
A child's life is more important than a adults in 99.9% of situations. For the simple fact that a child is unable to defend themselves like an adult of the same species. We even see it in nature when a mother bear will give her life to defend her cubs.
Brainswell - An innocent childhood is another western myth our society has contrived.
Wrong again, historically there are many cultures that value the innocence of children. This world is a cruel tough place and there is a time to learn that. But putting a gun in a 4yo's hands and telling them about the crime rate in the city of Toledo does not make them a whole person. It doesn't mean you raise your kids with blinders on, but there is plenty of time in their life for them to be an adult. For right now my children can climb trees and ride their bikes without worrying about the national debt.
DBW, my views aren't based on any childhood experiences; my parents would likely take your point of view. They did an excellent job at raising me to value family, education, faith, and community service. I think it is very nonsensical (you attacked my character, not my argument) for you to jump to any conclusions about me or my parents.
Maternal instincts of people or animals do not equate to how people should objectively value life. The instincts come from a natural desire to preserve the lineage, as the young will have more time to reproduce and ensure the success of future generations.
A child's life is worth no more than any adult. If you treat them any differently you set up a hierarchy of "value", which almost certainly result in a caste or feudalistic society. Humanity has come farther than that. Last time I checked, killing a child was not considered an aggravating factor for murder. If we all expect to be treated the same, our views on life need to reflect it.
With respect to the innocent childhood issue, I acknowledge it is a matter of opinion and there is no ideal way to raise a child. As long as you respect that child's rights, it is not anyone else's business how you raise your kids. The child will develop into his own at some point and formulate his or her own views on their upbringing, whether good or bad.
posted by brainswell on Sep 03, 2010 at 08:55:55 am #
Damn, that video is disturbing. From her body language she seems to be enjoying it, as if she were just tossing rocks.
Brainswell - While I appreciate your level intellectual debate, I find it quite funny that you object to character assumptions as I can find several post of you doing the same to others on this board, would you like me to post the comments? A little bit of the pot calling the kettle back, I was merely making an observation. The internet sure does make for quick memories.
Would not those natural human instincts you speak of that are ingrained in us at a root level signify that the life of a child is more important? We have those instincts as a mechanism to keep the species moving forward, but if we all where to live at those root levels we would not have "polite society".
I'm not reading the above idiotic arguments... so if this has been posted already, my apologies.
She's been caught.
http://gawker.com/5629513/puppy+throwing-girl-caught-in-bosnia
posted by toledolen_ on Sep 03, 2010 at 01:33:37 pm #
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