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Caveat Emptor: J & J Auto Repair (corner of talmadge/alexis)

I love local businesses. I try to give a recommendation whenever I am pleased with a local business. However, this time I feel like I should warn against a local business.

The setup: My wife was having problems with her headlight. Intermittently, the headlight would go out. I could always fix it by wiggling the wires, but the fix was not permanent. While I usually go to another local auto repair shop, my wife decided to take her car to J&J's because J&J is located close to our residence. J&J looked at the headlight and ordered the parts to repair the headlight. Seems good, so far.

The scam: My wife was working, so I agreed to pick up her car and take it to J&J for repair. I entered the lobby of J&J and was greeted by an employee sleeping in a chair. The employee opened his eyes after I walked in and stated that so-and-so will be with me in a moment. The employee then returned to hibernation. I should have taken this as notice and left immediately, but I decided to wait. So-and-so never arrived.

After waiting 5 minutes, the employee regained consciousness and left the room to continue repairs on another vehicle (I hope he wasn't charging the client for the time spent sleeping!). Another 5 minutes go by while a couple employees stroll in and out of the lobby without acknowledging me.

I text my wife that this is some of the worst customer service I have ever witnessed, and I will be leaving in 10 minutes if I am not helped. I stroll outside hoping to garner the attention of one of the employees. As I'm standing outside, I am looked over by a guy who I believe, judging by the website, is the owner of J&J. After looking my way, the owner, who is having a casual conversation with a friend, returns to his conversation. The owner looks at me a few more times over the next few minutes, and each time he continues talking with his friend while ignoring my presence. I text my wife that I only have 1 minute left before I am leaving.

At that time an employee pulls a truck out of the shop, hops out and asks if I have been helped. I tell him, "Not really." Without apology, the employee takes my information and starts working on the car. I was glad to have someone FINALLY offer a semblance of customer service -- or so I thought.

17 minutes later the repairs are completed. The employee who helped me offers up a bill of repairs. The bill gave the following information: 24$ for parts, 4$ for disposal fee(?) and 64$ for labor. Seemed like a large bill, but I assumed that they had quoted my wife the price and she had accepted. Wrong!

When I spoke with my wife after the repair, she expected nothing nearing 100$ for a 17 minute repair. She called and complained, but the employee stated that this was their hourly rate. I was amused by the amount, so I began calling the local auto repair shops that I frequent to get a quote for the same repair. Additionally, I called non-local repair shops to confirm the quotes. My quotes from other repair shops? The highest was 80$, the lowest was 40$ and the median was 55$. Astounding.

This is absolutely the worst service/price-inflation combination that I have ever received. J&J's ad mentions something along the lines of old time values -- I guess those old time values are price gouging.

RETAIL price of the part online: 12$ (compared with 24$)
Price of disposal for connector and wires: 4$ (recycle much?)
Price for labor: 64$ for 17 minutes=225$ an hour

As I stated in the title -- caveat emptor (buyer beware). I have never been so offended by a local provider of goods/services.

created by JJFad on Oct 29, 2010 at 01:08:14 pm
updated by JJFad on Oct 29, 2010 at 01:26:57 pm
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thanks, I live close to there also but have never gone in. for a good place that's basically in the same neighborhood,

Larry's Car Care
1529 W Laskey Rd, Toledo, OH 43612-2913

(419) 478-1241 () ‎

posted by billy on Oct 29, 2010 at 01:41:06 pm     #  

Thanks for the recommendation. I usually go to Japanese Auto (wife and I both own Hondas).

I'll try Larry's next time -- as I believe they gave me a low quote when I called.

posted by JJFad on Oct 29, 2010 at 01:43:50 pm     #  

You should put this information on www.yelp.com as well. Toledo Talk is great but Yelp reviews are much farther reaching.

posted by upso on Oct 29, 2010 at 01:49:23 pm     #  

Thanks upso! PS -- i still want your reviews on great local eateries without giving out my e-mail on this website -- how can I contact you?

posted by JJFad on Oct 29, 2010 at 01:51:08 pm     #  

Posted on Yelp. Thanks again.

posted by JJFad on Oct 29, 2010 at 01:54:47 pm     #  

This isn't the first time I've heard a story like that about that them. Sorry for your experience.

posted by hockeyfan on Oct 29, 2010 at 02:01:46 pm     #  

Thanks. I wish I would have known more about them before entering into a repair agreement. Truly disappointing. I wouldn't expect ANY local business to treat their customer the way I was treated.

posted by JJFad on Oct 29, 2010 at 02:02:58 pm     #  

JJfad info@upso.org :)

posted by upso on Oct 29, 2010 at 02:13:18 pm     #  

You do more than enjoyingtoledo?

posted by Ryan on Oct 29, 2010 at 02:14:55 pm     #  

I guess this isn't actually true from their website....


You will find John at the shop daily from 8-6 and 8-5 on Saturday, greeting and serving his customers on a personal level
.

posted by Spaceace on Oct 29, 2010 at 02:17:03 pm     #  

lol.. no.. It's DEFINITELY not true.

posted by JJFad on Oct 29, 2010 at 02:19:34 pm     #  

Ryan, Enjoyingtoledo.com is my wife's site. I have my own opinions on places as well, but no blog. :)

posted by upso on Oct 29, 2010 at 02:24:55 pm     #  

Upso: Pretty impressive stuff. Did you do all that?

posted by madjack on Oct 29, 2010 at 03:36:57 pm     #  

what do you mean? Enjoyingtoledo.com?

posted by upso on Oct 29, 2010 at 04:03:27 pm     #  

Thanks JJFad, I'll tell the wife and everyone I know not to go there. Apparently business is so good they really don't need anymore customers. I hate to interfere with someones sleep anyway. What a crummy way to run a business.

posted by AmericanPie on Oct 29, 2010 at 09:13:59 pm     #  

To be fair, JJFad, repairs are timed by a book, not by actual time spent doing the work. If the repair is "replace headlight socket", then there's an entry in some industry-standard book that lists the time that can be charged out for the repair. That time is multiplied by the shop's hourly labor rate, and that's the labor that's billed. It didn't matter how long it took.

I have no connection to the shop in question. In fact, I never take my auto in directly for shop work, except through a friend who has mechanic experience, and who recommends shops he knows for work that he cannot perform due to a lack of knowledge or tooling on his part. We've never taken my vehicle in to that particular shop.

posted by GuestZero on Oct 29, 2010 at 11:24:08 pm     #  

GZ, while that is true, the frustration I believe comes from poor customer service and the lack of giving a decent estimate beforehand.
I work on cars and do many other handyman type things. One thing that I've found to be the most important is to give an estimate beforehand. Included in the estimate is a breakdown of costs, both parts and labor.
As far as that little "$4" disposal charge, that does not belong on this estimate/bill. That is mostly charged by bodyshops to help cover their paintwaste or a mechanic shop for used oil that cannot be just dumped in trash and is usually picked up by a company for proper disposal. I cannot think of anything on a wire job that couldn't be simply dumped in the trash. They probably have that set up in their billing software that just adds to the total.
Either way, this entire negative situation could have been avoided by quick, attentive customer service and a thoroughly explained estimate.
Shame, they lost at least one customer.

posted by hockeyfan on Oct 29, 2010 at 11:49:33 pm     #  

Also, I'm not sure what wire/connectors cost $24. Unless they replaced the actual wiring socket. But, once again, if they would have explained all this beforehand, the shock of the high bill could have been avoided.

posted by hockeyfan on Oct 29, 2010 at 11:51:54 pm     #  

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