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Sylvania look to your own driveways for school funding answer

I have to laugh at the indignant parents. I think they should take a critical look at why Sylvania schools are suffering. If you look at the big picture from Toledo to Ohio and across the nation some 40,000 factories have been closed and outsource in the last decade. The staggering loss of revenue and jobs have cost lower property values across the Midwest and reduced revenue sharing by the state. If one looks at the high level of imported cars driven by the Sylvania residents its their own lack of knowledge of economics that has primarily caused this dilemma. Buying a cheap KIA has larger costs to the community!

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But, what if you can only afford a kia?

posted by upso on Jan 14, 2011 at 10:13:11 am     #  

Better yet..why would you want to buy an Automobile who's name is a abbreviation for "Kill In Action"?

posted by drunkenwildmage on Jan 14, 2011 at 10:15:50 am     #  

How does Paul know how many imported cars are driven by Sylvania residents? He states without question that the level is "high". Sounds like a biased and ignorant statement to me and quite possibly racist toward whites. What kind of cars do they drive in the inner city Paul? Everyday you prove yourself to be more stupid than the day before.

posted by fred on Jan 14, 2011 at 10:15:51 am     #  

Well the Prius driving talk show host should know about not supporting Toledo. How's that foreign made car doing with all the potholes in Toledo from lack of funding I'd think the 12 inch front wheels are about to fall off. Fred have you ever got it stuck in a pothole yet?

posted by wolfman on Jan 14, 2011 at 10:21:50 am     #  

Very well actually. I get on average 46 mpg each tank after 3 years of driving. Never been stuck in a pothole, but apparently your thinking has.

posted by fred on Jan 14, 2011 at 10:24:56 am     #  

Wolfman, what the fuck?

Number one, Sylvania schools are not suffering. I can't even accuse you of leaping to conclusions here, because there is nothing for you to begin your leap with.

Two, while it's true that manufacturing jobs have departed the US and we've lost that revenue, buying a Jeep is not going to solve the problem. In fact, it doesn't even come close to the real problem. How the hell did you come up with this idea?

Three - what prompted this thread? As near as I can make you, you're trying to provide a solution to a non-existent problem.

Again, WTF? Usually you're a little better than this.

posted by madjack on Jan 14, 2011 at 10:35:08 am     #  

"I think they should take a critical look at why Sylvania schools are suffering."

wolfman, you're line of thinking is embarrassing Toledoans. It's probably too late to convince people living outside Toledo that not all Toledo residents think like wolfman.

I'm guessing that the last thing Sylvania residents need is advice from Toledo.

And what's the budge hole for the Toledo Public School system? Will we see another levy attempt by TPS this spring? What's in the driveways, closets, and attics of Toledo residents that's causing TPS's problems?

posted by jr on Jan 14, 2011 at 10:39:30 am     #   1 person liked this

Is it a coincidence that TPS and Sylvania schools are having funding problems? Madjack have you been on the space station for the past ten years? My God man get a grip on reality! I'm sorry if I embarrassed all the foreign car drivers but my point is supported by fact. Just because Americans can't take the cod liver oil treatment of truth don't blame the messenger.

posted by wolfman on Jan 14, 2011 at 10:52:44 am     #  

I always laugh at this horrible union argument because I promise if we went through his house we could probley count up things made out of country that far exceed the cost of a automobile.

He rants while he types on a PC made in Japan, watches news on a TV made in Taiwan, while wearing Nike's made in Thailand, and sips java from a coffee pot made in China.

Paul why don't you just write your congressman and tell him to propose laws where we can only buy state approved items made by state approved workers, then ask the Russians how paying 100 dollars for a pair of Levi's in '85 was like.

You love to take pot shots at non-union shops but you like the rest of the union wackos love the low cost items they provide. When you goto the store to purchase your items do you give the cashier extra money an tell them to give it to a union shop?

posted by dbw8906 on Jan 14, 2011 at 10:54:58 am     #  

Sylvania schools are not having a funding problem. If you're referring to the proposed levy that got shot down last election, forget it. The Sylvania school system has more than enough money to keep the little darlings safely caged throughout the school year. Just look at what Sylvania schools pay the teachers, and check the staff to student ratio.

posted by madjack on Jan 14, 2011 at 10:58:23 am     #  

The answer in Sylvania is simple and the same for other districts.

Labor costs are 80+% of the budget. They should have a combination of layoffs and pay reductions.

Laying off 16% of their teachers shows the administration still believes they can force parents and voters to pass a levy. The voters in Sylvania should bite the short-term bullet and vote AGAINST the next levy, and and every other levy until the district makes the necessary reforms to their cost structure.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 14, 2011 at 11:06:35 am     #  

Man you guys are going to make me work for this one!
http://www.progressohio.org/blog/2010/09/new-revenue-is-needed-to-invest-in-economic-recovery.html
Going forward Kasich will cut revenue sharing which will cost the McMansions in Sylvania more in taxes. The cathedral ceiling crowd will be questioning the wisdom of having a 4000 square foot house before long. The McMansion says, "tax me I have something." The smartest will buy a 2000 or less square foot home to weather the new tax wars on real estate. Kasich has decided to cut estate taxes which will exacerbates the need for revenue. He wants other cuts to the revenue stream but the lowly home owner will have a big red target on their backs going forward.

posted by wolfman on Jan 14, 2011 at 11:20:35 am     #  

Your post above clearly shows your hate for anyone with more money than you have, class envy 101. Shame shame those people who choose to spend their money on the home of their dreams. Shame shame!

The funny part as a union retire during the "good times" you are vastly richer than the majority of Toledoans. If you are to lead by example then why do you not just open your front door and let the poor come in and take what they need cause clearly "rich people" need to be looted.

posted by dbw8906 on Jan 14, 2011 at 11:28:25 am     #  

dbw8906 the problem is opportunity. The country has chose to invest in Asia and Korea not America, The S&P 500 derives 50% of its earnings from foreign operations. This is why the market is up. Americans are groveling for pennies of a failed economy. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304248704575574213897770830.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

posted by wolfman on Jan 14, 2011 at 11:34:20 am     #  

"I'm sorry if I embarrassed all the foreign car drivers ..."

So is your problem with foreigners legally living in the U.S. or automobiles made in the U.S. by foreign-owned companies and those automobiles being bought by Americans?

posted by jr on Jan 14, 2011 at 11:37:15 am     #   1 person liked this

Paul you do know Ohio has lost more jobs to other states than to big evil China? Your big bad Asian argument doesn't work with Ohio. It wouldn't have anything to do with the tax burdens Ohio has placed on operations would it?

We are never getting back 50k a year jobs for non-skilled labor, the world has moved on from that. Stop living in 1965. What do you propose closing our trade borders and becoming a isolated economy? You know that would start WW3 right?

posted by dbw8906 on Jan 14, 2011 at 11:47:41 am     #  

American made union cars use to support America. When you force workers to a $14/hr wage it creates a whole host of problems. $14/hr is a poverty wage for a family of four. The government loses tax money when workers are paid et this level. That is why the right wing extremists are bellyaching the fact that 47% of American don't pay federal income taxes. Globalization without protection of the American markets have made us a debtor nation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

posted by wolfman on Jan 14, 2011 at 11:54:19 am     #  

I don't care what cars people drive, but if teachers are going to ask (and they do ask) auto workers to vote for school levies, teachers probably should try to drive uaw-made cars. The reality is alot of teachers don't drive uaw-made cars. Therefore, uaw-members probably shouldn't vote for school levies.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 14, 2011 at 12:08:07 pm     #  

$14 per hour isnt a poverty wage, for very few families of four have only one wage earner.

Same thing applies to teachers. They endlessly whine about making 50k a year, but many of them are married to someone making a similar wage, so they should be able to live ok with that level of income.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 14, 2011 at 12:11:07 pm     #  

Now your tell others how much they should make? Doesn't a college education count for anything?

posted by wolfman on Jan 14, 2011 at 12:25:50 pm     #  

6th_Floor you have a good point. I've had this argument with a neighbor about 5 years ago when they bought a Toyota. One is a Sylvania teacher the other works for the post office. I explained much of what I have said here today. At the time they only considered the Consumers Report but now I think my words are probably haunting them.

posted by wolfman on Jan 14, 2011 at 12:30:33 pm     #  

Simply put, wages should be what the market will bear.

The pipe dreams such as minimum wage, now we hear living wage, are ridiculous.

Why have a minimum wage of $7-8 per hour? Since many claim it will help lift people out of poverty, they should make it $50 per hour...what the hell, be generous and make it $15,000 per hour?

UAW is paying about $25-30 per hour and who knows how much including benefits. Today, they could advertise those same jobs at $14 per hour with 0 benefits, and they would have a mile-long line of applicants.

The same concept applies to teachers. Ohio has been exporting education college graduates to other states, many teachers in Ohio and around the nation currently are laid off, thus the market would easily bear lower salaries.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 14, 2011 at 12:36:03 pm     #   1 person liked this

At the time they only considered the Consumers Report

What horrible people...purchasing with their hard-earned money the best possible product they could afford, instead of an "American car" (many of which are built in Mexico and Canada) with shitbomb quality ratings to satisfy some ideal.

Terrible. How dare they spend their money as they see fit on the free marketplace. Their supposed to buy and support whatever gas-hog, plastic-filled, always broken piece of ugly shit Detroit sees fit to give us suckers. And to think, these suburbanites are supposed to be "educated". Don't worry though, I'm sure it's only those evil conservatives buying foreign.

Oh wait--it's not.

Perhaps the vaunted American car companies should have thought more of the fallout of building shit for at least 3+ decades (70's, 80's 90's). That kind of "branding" damn near killed them, as did their arrogant attitude towards competition. I'll admit that Ford is giving me some temptation (their new models look good), but I want to see more quality data before I buy American.

posted by oldhometown on Jan 14, 2011 at 01:44:45 pm     #  

oldhometown you do have a point about the past but this sucker has come full circle to worry about what Consumers Reports says about the placement of a cup holder or the look of an interior knob. Your anger clouds rational thinking which is killing America. The disloyalty of segments of this society have created a economy that doesn't work for Americans who just want their cheap shit no matter what happens across town. Well across town is now knocking at your front door!

posted by wolfman on Jan 14, 2011 at 02:16:51 pm     #  

Paul you say "The disloyalty of segments of this society have created a economy that doesn't work for Americans who just want their cheap shit no matter what happens across town." while I promise your house is full of foreign goods.

Why do you continue this fools argument, you have no valid points. YOU ARE THE RICH when we look at Toledo demographics but you pretend you are "the poor and downtrodden". You don't care of the opportunity for others, you cling to a 1950's business mantra and refuse to recognize the world has changed. Elvis is not playing downtown and The NY baseball Giants now play in San Fran if you haven't heard. You just keep repeating... "Please buy UAW so my pension check keeps coming". You assault people for their freedom of choice, you assault people for their their basic freedom to have their money invested where they chose, maybe you can just drive around and show up at people's houses and take anything you feel is un-union or un-Americana. And to think Democrats call themselves "progressive".

UAW saving the world by forcing people to buy their goods. Your living in a Captain America comic if you think we would be on top if we all drove a Dodge. I bet you are still waiting for the Duke to show up and get those pinko commies while spinning your secret decoder rings.

posted by dbw8906 on Jan 14, 2011 at 02:38:32 pm     #  

Your anger clouds rational thinking which is killing America. The disloyalty of segments of this society have created a economy that doesn't work for Americans who just want their cheap shit no matter what happens across town.

So you don't support people buying the best products for themselves?

a.) My thinking is completely rational. My family has owned both American and foreign made (mostly Japanese) vehicles. And without exception, the Japanese vehicles have been better constructed, lasted longer, were more gas-efficient, and have had less time in repair shops than the American vehicles. My experiences and associated research (i.e. Consumer Reports, etc.) lead to my decisions. That's rather rational, if I do say so myself. I choose not to subject my family to substandard products. Again, rational.

b.) As I recall from...oh...2 days ago when I was looking at the new car buying guide, CR bases their evaluations on major things like engines, transmissions, other car systems, etc., not cupholders. Maybe pick up and read the publication once in a while before commenting?

c.) There is lots of exciting news coming out of the Detroit Auto Show, but the long term data is not there to support all the excitement. Is there some good stuff--yes! But when deciding to lay out $15-25,000 for a vehicle for my family (not chump change, nor cheap), I want the best I can afford. And considering the long term data, cost of ownership, etc., Honda's from Marysville, Toyotas from California, Mazdas from Flat Rock Michigan, and other foreign "nameplates" are quite attractive. Once the American companies truly compete (which it looks like circumstances are finally forcing the American companies to do), the money will come back. And your utopia will return...maybe.

As I said, Ford is tempting, but I'm still holding off. I have bought some Ford stock, though.

posted by oldhometown on Jan 14, 2011 at 02:41:59 pm     #  

The world has changed but America has chose to take a fools walk off a short plank! Other trading partners know the importance of an industrial base. They know that allowing trade imbalances will affect all in the long run. We can look to the example of Germany. The German people will not let the country be ruled by supply sided capitalists. The German people still have a say in their government. Look at what has happened when BMW is allow to run ruff shot over Americans.
http://www.heraldsun.com/view/full_story/10116468/article-BMW-finding-skilled-workers-for-less-at-S-C--plant?instance=homeseventhleft

posted by wolfman on Jan 14, 2011 at 03:28:09 pm     #  

So much for responding to you. Please continue to rant in your echo chamber.

posted by oldhometown on Jan 14, 2011 at 03:31:28 pm     #  

Interesting. I live in Sylvania, drive two Hondas, and retired from the Marysville Honda plant where I made over $30 per hour in a non-union position. I collect a nice pension from Honda also. If Americans would buy products from companies that REINVEST in America, instead of buying from "American" companies that choose to reinvest profits in other countries, perhaps we can get American manufacturing going again.

What say you, Wolfy.

posted by HickoryG on Jan 16, 2011 at 09:34:55 pm     #   1 person liked this

HickoryG I'm skeptical. I don't believe everything I read. I know they don't have a defined benefit pension plan but they did offered buy outs a couple of years ago. A lot of open questions in your statement. Are you hourly or salary? Many things have changed in the auto industry because of global trade pressure. Recently BMW opened a plant in South Carolina paying $15/hr. Hyundai plant opened last year in Alabama paying $18/hr None pay a defined pension but neither does the union plants for new hires after 2007. Give me more info.

posted by wolfman on Jan 17, 2011 at 01:53:09 am     #  

I don't owe you anymore info. My pension is no concern of yours, but I will tell you I wasn't a line worker. Answer my question. Is it better for Americans to buy a product manufactured in a factory in America by a foreign company reinvesting in America, or buy a product manufactured in a foreign country by an American company?

posted by HickoryG on Jan 17, 2011 at 11:37:03 am     #   1 person liked this

The influence of un-American nonunion companies have caused a general slide of wage scales for American workers. The big three at one time set the standard of all workers in America. Now the foreign non-union plants and their right-to-work goals do not reward workers for productivity gains thus denying them the same upward share of that of the over paid CEOs. So without further information from you I regard your statement as possibility false knowing what I know of other transplants.

posted by wolfman on Jan 17, 2011 at 04:20:00 pm     #  

If one looks at the high level of imported cars driven by the Sylvania residents its their own lack of knowledge of economics that has primarily caused this dilemma. Buying a cheap KIA has larger costs to the community!

I'm still scratching my head wondering why you're talking about the "high level of imported cars driven by Sylvania residents" and the example you give is KIA???????

FWIW, the 2 foreign vehicles that I see the most in the drop off line at my kids' school are the Lexus SUV and the Honda Odyssey. I see few if any KIA vehicles. Though there are plenty of Ford Flex and Chevy Traverse vehicles in the parking lot in addition to the ubiquitous Lexus SUVs.

posted by mom2 on Jan 25, 2011 at 07:17:59 pm     #  

We should not get sidetrack arguing or debating about observations about people,schools or cities that may or may not be true. We all should focus and concentrate on the main problem with our area at the present time; that is the FACT that too many people are feeding at the public trouth. Our elected officials sold their souls giving school, city, state
and federal employee's excessive pay and benefit packages to keep their vote. We are paying for it now.

posted by barfly on Jan 25, 2011 at 10:11:16 pm     #  

I find it funny that Wolfie our local UAW supporter who screams that they are saving America never said anything about GM dumping mega millions into MEXICO and moving operations there.

posted by dbw8906 on Jan 26, 2011 at 07:38:04 am     #  

Lucas County officials fear 25% cut in state funds
Concerns raised in talks with lawmakers
By CLAUDIA BOYD-BARRETT
BLADE STAFF WRITER
Lucas County officials said Monday they fear state funding to local governments could be cut by more than 25 percent next year, a move that would leave the county with an approximate $2 million budget hole.
http://www.toledoblade.com/article/20110125/NEWS16/110129710

Remember what the Wolfman said, "Sell the McMansions!"
Sell them to some unsuspecting fool before Kasich taxes them out of affordability. The local government will be looking to you to bailout what the state once funded.

posted by wolfman on Jan 26, 2011 at 09:35:22 am     #