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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

created by 6th_Floor on Jan 30, 2011 at 01:19:37 am     Business     Comments: 807

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ONEVillageIsAwesome posted at 12:55:47 PM on May 22, 2013:

Actually, given Toledo's history on tax foreclosures and the sheer volume of delinquent properties in the city, I'm not really worried about the city or county taking our place, the guy who lives behind us owes 37,000 in back property taxes on his dilapidated residential properties that he refuses to fix and we can't even beg the county to foreclose on him...we've tried. So, in essence we ( by that I mean my business partners and myself) pay our taxes because we are more interested in better infrastructure than fear of foreclosure.

We also reap the benefits of paying taxes so we really should, as a matter of civic responsibility, pay our taxes.

The lack of punishment on your neighbor is absurd. Would his house even fetch $37,000 on the market? That's probably why he's not paying. That, and knowing that he won't suffer any consequences from not paying.

With the amount of open lots in the Vistula area and the crummy/abandoned condition of many others, it would be a prime area for a "town center" redevelopment by an ambitious developer if Toledo had better population projections. That has been done to a lot of old cotton mills and other factory neighborhoods in the southeast.

posted by clt212 on May 22, 2013 at 01:26:30 pm     #  

He owns several properties, all of the blighted all of them uninhabitable and all of tax delinquent since the late 90's/early 2000's. None of his houses would get anywhere near what the tax delinquency on them is, and all of them were worth close to full market value when he acquired the properties. He is simply a lazy, crazy, property hoarder (like some people hoard houses till they are full of crap, he has multiple properties like that and some of them he has drug addicts and alcoholics squatting in for "security")

I'm on the board of the Vistula Historic Foundation and that is exactly one of the redevelopment ideas we have been floating around. One of the ideas is to convert that empty lot where the old elementary school at Lagrange and Erie used to be into a community garden park that has elements of community gardening interpsersed with the decorative elements of a public park. We are also actively seeking qualified end-users for the Lucas County Land Bank programme for new homeowners looking to live in a historic district and don't mind a "project house" which even our location is.

There are actually financial incentives to move into Vistula and grants available from United North and various other historical organizations for rehabbing a house in Vistula it's just that the only people who have been taking advantage of those programmes are folks who have converted beautiful Victorian housing stock into Section 8 housing and are currently getting market rate rents for even though it is sec8.

posted by ONEVillageIsAwesome on May 22, 2013 at 02:20:40 pm     #  

"jr, can we get a "hide" function like Facebook?"

Give it a test by clicking on a username.

If you prefer to have the "posted by" line disappear too, let me know.

I display the "posted by" line in case a user wants to un-hide someone's comments by clicking on the username.

And if you want to read the hidden comment, you could click on the quote characters at the right of the "posted by" line.

posted by jr on May 22, 2013 at 02:40:18 pm     #   5 people liked this

Perfect, jr. Thank you!

posted by valbee on May 22, 2013 at 08:18:42 pm     #   2 people liked this

valbee posted at 08:18:42 PM on May 22, 2013:

Perfect, jr. Thank you!

posted by upso on May 22, 2013 at 09:23:00 pm     #  

valbee posted at 08:18:42 PM on May 22, 2013:

Perfect, jr. Thank you!

posted by toledolen_ on May 22, 2013 at 09:52:13 pm     #  

Thanks jr! Big improvement.

posted by idinspired on May 23, 2013 at 08:34:54 am     #  

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2013/05/23/Toledos-population-slips-again.html

OVA, since you've been here since 2009, why haven't you and your flock reversed this trend yet?

posted by 6th_Floor on May 23, 2013 at 10:37:01 am     #  

Because nothing happens instantaneously there, Captain Instant Gratification.

posted by ONEVillageIsAwesome on May 23, 2013 at 10:44:44 am     #   5 people liked this

Well Captain Loudmouth, Toledo has been shrinking for 30 years.

With all the vigor you portray posting here, I am expecting to see some results...eventually. I won't be holding my breath, tho.

I haven't had much time to post, but regarding T44, if they aren't going to pay their property taxes, then any bad light placed on them is good news. We don't need deadbeats competing with prudent business owners paying their bills.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 23, 2013 at 11:28:08 am     #   3 people liked this

6th, why haven't you won the lottery yet? Or made a trip to the moon? Or ended world hunger? I mean, it's been four years since 2009, why haven't you done these things yet?

See, it's really easy to throw out ridiculous assertions, and then act like the accused is at fault for not having done something yet.

posted by Johio83 on May 23, 2013 at 11:28:42 am     #   5 people liked this

UPSO whined: dude you're just getting boring

You already know what you're going to read when you see a post from GZ. A practical solution would be to quit reading his posts and/or this thread.

What's equally boring is the same level of homer-ish drivel while Toledo languishes.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 23, 2013 at 11:32:10 am     #   2 people liked this

JOhio, go flip through your rolodex and figure out why Fort on the River closed in less than 6 weeks.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 23, 2013 at 11:33:50 am     #   2 people liked this

While you're at it, let us know about the latest rumors about the next Fortune 500 company relocating in WHD.

Oh wait! I forgot that WHD first needs a grocery store? That's the final piece before the area REALLY takes off!

Meanwhile back in Realityville, even convenience stores can't keep their doors open in the area.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 23, 2013 at 11:39:47 am     #   3 people liked this

idinspired said: It must be nice to know everything about every topic and always be correct.

It is, actually. That's supposedly why we seek education and make use of 5-1/2 pounds of brain. Why, what did you think education and 100 billion neurons were for? Making money? Personally I'm finding my billions and billions of very active neurons are being used for schadenfreude.

idinspired said: It also must be sad to spend so much time and effort to tell everyone how wrong they are and how right you are.

It is, really. We live in a highly delusional society. Reality will fix all this soon enough, so that's something to look forward to. I know I'm looking forward to it. The anguished cries of the foreclosed and the bankrupt hearten me today, for I told them all (often in this very forum; check the archives) that all this was going to happen. Look, it's still happening:

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2013/05/23/Toledos-population-slips-again.html

Toledo's 2012 est. population of 284K matches her first population upswing period to almost 1929. (Toledo lost population during the First Great Depression. So it figures that in this Second Great Depression we're losing again, except this is more severe.) The depopulation will continue to happen; Toledo's population will drop to the 1910s level at least. That means less money. Less business. Less employment. So it means we'll do less with less. The wise man foresees the future and prepares for it. So... are you a wise man, Idinspired?

posted by GuestZero on May 23, 2013 at 12:03:39 pm     #  

jr posted at 02:40:18 PM on May 22, 2013:

"jr, can we get a "hide" function like Facebook?"

Give it a test by clicking on a username.

If you prefer to have the "posted by" line disappear too, let me know.

I display the "posted by" line in case a user wants to un-hide someone's comments by clicking on the username.

And if you want to read the hidden comment, you could click on the quote characters at the right of the "posted by" line.

Works good, lasts a long time. Thanks JR.

posted by madjack on May 23, 2013 at 12:06:09 pm     #  

idinspired said: It must be nice to know everything about every topic and always be correct.

It is, actually. That's supposedly why we seek education and make use of 5-1/2 pounds of brain. Why, what did you think education and 100 billion neurons were for? Making money? Personally I'm finding my billions and billions of very active neurons are being used for schadenfreude.

Well, we're not always correct, are we, GZ?

http://www.toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/138854#139034

But when we're called out as 100% wrong...well, we just run away like a scared little bitch and pretend the whole thing never happened, instead of addressing the challenge. Am I right?

posted by Sohio on May 23, 2013 at 12:26:59 pm     #   1 person liked this

ONE idiot said: There are actually financial incentives to move into Vistula and grants available from United North and various other historical organizations for rehabbing a house in Vistula it's just that the only people who have been taking advantage of those programmes are folks who have converted beautiful Victorian housing stock into Section 8 housing and are currently getting market rate rents for even though it is sec8.

Well well well. Imagine that. A government program gone awry. Who could have foreseen that?

Why, people like me. I keep telling people that the property market needs to float on individual measures. Few people listen to this. This is why we tolerated the creation of the largest financial crash in all of Human history, bar none. And it's still raging.

If the City of Toledo wanted to incentivize people to move into a certain area, then it had to directly put a stop to the stuff that drove people away: Crime and Black racism and the welfare state. Sadly, the CoT has only acted to promote crime, Black racism and welfare.

There's only one way to continue to enjoy the benefits of a culture created by regulated finance, a strong rule of law, and respect for private enterprise: And that's to regulate, enforce and get out of the way of business. Yes, it's totally possible to regulate (minimally) and yet get out of the way of business. This is news to both major parties, but still.

posted by GuestZero on May 23, 2013 at 12:33:22 pm     #  

Did anybody else hear that? I could've swore I heard someone say something?

posted by hunkytownsausage on May 23, 2013 at 02:59:21 pm     #   10 people liked this

FYI, Mulvaney's Bunker on Dorr Street soon will be reopening. I expected this to happen, since the place always seemed to have business.

I stopped at Jominic's Subs on Adams this afternoon for one of their $4 dollar subs. The largest "crowd" was a whopping 3...and that includes myself. So much for the lie that they have "out the door" lines at lunchtime. I was there @ 12:30.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 24, 2013 at 12:03:12 am     #   1 person liked this

I would like to again plug that it's a pretty good sub priced at $4. Unfortunately they have to compete with Subway and another place I believe named JJ's...both within a stone's throw.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 24, 2013 at 12:04:46 am     #  

Unless Subway improved their bread, which lately has been pretty stale at the Point Place store just about anyone can beat them as far as something tasty.

posted by Linecrosser on May 24, 2013 at 01:19:24 am     #  

There it was again... It's like a giant sucking sound...

posted by hunkytownsausage on May 24, 2013 at 07:23:16 am     #   1 person liked this

Jimmy Johns had $1 subs yesterday...

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on May 24, 2013 at 08:24:14 am     #  

yeah... I have no idea how jominic's is doing, but yesterday would have been rough for any restaurant within walking distance of Jimmy John's: http://www.toledoblade.com/Food/2013/05/24/Jimmy-John-s-crowded-for-1-deal.html

posted by upso on May 24, 2013 at 08:32:53 am     #  

Jimmy John's rocks. I wish the managers would treat their employees better, but their food is far superior to Subway....and they deliver. I wonder what the repeat customer count will rise to after this promotion?

posted by ONEVillageIsAwesome on May 24, 2013 at 08:41:45 am     #  

I saw the $1 sign. Again, with 3 sub shops within 1.5 blocks of each other, it's going to be tough to earn a profit.

I went downtown for a few beers last night after posting here. Other than the Adams Street bars in Uptown, and C'n'B, downtown was a total morgue.

@ 12:15 Durty Bird, Homeslice Pizza, & T44 all were CLOSED. Not exactly the sign of hopping watering holes...especially a Thursday night. Wesleys completely dead. Bronze Boar appeared to have less customers than I have fingers.

Other bars nearby downtown were also shuttered at approximately 12:15-12:30-ish. Mickey Finn's closed, Frankies closed, Main Street (former Main Event) was open but doubt it had enough patrons to cover the electric bill.

I ended up settling in at Fricker's and had a few drafts...about 8 people were there.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 24, 2013 at 09:39:46 am     #  

huh.. when I left the blarney last night at 9 there were over 300 people out celebrating "Jam City"
I stopped by the Attic on the way home and it was packed as well. There are people out, you're just clearly going to the wrong places. :) it's all about perspective dude

posted by upso on May 24, 2013 at 10:00:31 am     #   4 people liked this

I mentioned the Adams corridor wasn't dead (except Wesley's).

When I drove by shortly after midnight, there were approximately 25 people at Blarney.

There isn't anything related to perspective regarding what I saw...it's a fact that several bars were closed shortly after midnight. You know that if doing well, bars such as T44 should still be open at 12:15 on Thursday night.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 24, 2013 at 10:07:32 am     #  

Attic was "packed" even though the overflow lot was empty? Yeah, ok upso. It looked like a decent crowd, but I've seen much better there and so have you.

I realize you rarely, if ever say anything negative about a downtown business. However, you've been hanging out @ Attic long enough to know how many cars used to be in that lot. Not only weekends, but Wed & Thurs nights as well.

There weren't any cars parked in the overflow lot after midnight and the regular lot had some open spaces, too. I still see the overflow lot being used occasionally, but their business clearly is less than prior years.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 24, 2013 at 10:14:41 am     #  

You're talking midnight, I'm talking 9pm.

My experience last night downtown was lovely and packed with people. I was in bed by 11am.

Sorry I didn't have the same experience you had.

posted by upso on May 24, 2013 at 10:19:47 am     #  

in bed by 11pm that is!

posted by upso on May 24, 2013 at 10:20:30 am     #  

Dustin "upso" H.'s Profile

http://www.yelp.com/list/the-best-places-to-eat-in-the-toledo-area-toledo

Rating Distribution
User Ratings Distribution Graph

*5 stars: 47
4 stars: 37
3 stars: 12
2 stars: 1
1 star: 1*

SMH, wtf does it take to receive a 2* or 1* from you UPSO? Seriously, what happened at the 2* and 1* places you patronized?

Holy shit man, I could have used more college professors like you back in the day.

You're averaging about 2% D & F grades and your posting here about perspective? LOL

posted by 6th_Floor on May 24, 2013 at 10:23:28 am     #   2 people liked this

I don't do negative reviews for negative experiences on yelp because it's not fair as a business owner. I only share my positive experiences but I have a shit ton of negative ones. I just keep those to myself. :)

posted by upso on May 24, 2013 at 10:33:42 am     #   5 people liked this

Well put UPSO!

posted by stooks on May 24, 2013 at 10:34:35 am     #  

upso posted at 10:00:31 AM on May 24, 2013:

huh.. when I left the blarney last night at 9 there were over 300 people out celebrating "Jam City"
I stopped by the Attic on the way home and it was packed as well. There are people out, you're just clearly going to the wrong places. :) it's all about perspective dude

We could give 6th_Bore some perspective by putting him into the Total Perspective Vortex...

posted by anonymouscoward on May 24, 2013 at 11:43:02 am     #   1 person liked this

UPSO, really: What's the point of a quality-assurance system if it's biased against negative data?

posted by GuestZero on May 24, 2013 at 01:40:41 pm     #   2 people liked this

I stopped @ Jominic's Subs again today shortly after noon...during the alleged by another Toledo Talk downtown homer " slammed and lined up out the door" lunchtime rush hour.

Well, there never was a "line" greater than ONE and the greatest customer count inside the restaurant never surpassed FOUR, so a "rush" didn't materialize today.

Also, the sandwich quality was much poorer than my previous visits. Quite a bit of lettuce without much meat. I doubt I'll be returning for a while, if ever. My advice for them is to increase the sandwich price to $5, lighten up on the lettuce and increase the meat a bit.

Using Upso-style yelp star ratings, the place still would receive a 4 or maybe 5.

However, I'm more of a realist and call them how I see them, so my actual star rating Jominic's is going to be 2 stars. The place is locally owned, the price still is good, but the product today was quite lacking.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 24, 2013 at 04:00:23 pm     #  

Add another one to the downtown "Another one bites the dust" list.

Jefferson Diner @ 1220 Jefferson has closed.

Although I'm not sure how long ago the place closed, all the windows are covered. Additionally, the phone number painted on the building has been disconnected.

Areis data shows the property taxes are current.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 24, 2013 at 04:05:02 pm     #  

6 For someone who hates downtown so much you sure spend a lot of time down there.

posted by In_vin_veritas on May 24, 2013 at 04:29:24 pm     #   8 people liked this

6th man... you're killing me.

"Using Upso-style yelp star ratings, the place still would receive a 4 or maybe 5."

As stated above, I try (for the most part) to only post about things I think people should check out. Negative comments I take straight to management as I would hope my customers would do for me! :)

posted by upso on May 24, 2013 at 04:53:53 pm     #   4 people liked this

From Upso: As stated above, I try (for the most part) to only post about things I think people should check out. Negative comments I take straight to management as I would hope my customers would do for me! :)

Which I can appreciate. My thought was about the review you gave Angelo's Northwood Villa. I've spent considerable time at Angelo's, and I think you're being a bit generous about the food quality. The service can vary from four and a half stars to one star.

The thing is, Angelo's is not in the same class as, say, Rose and Thistle, but by your review both places are interchangeable.

posted by madjack on May 24, 2013 at 05:20:35 pm     #  

The picture I get from reading this thread: Downtown is collapsing under its own success due to no one going to all these jam packed bars. The happy citizens of Toledo could not be more depressed.

posted by splinterofchaos on May 24, 2013 at 05:26:39 pm     #   5 people liked this

the places ARE interchangeable in my mind.

i've only been to both restaurants you mention once in the past 5 years and had lovely experiences both evenings. reviews are based on both food and ambiance and whatever else happens along the way. so for example, angelo's food was great (for what it was) but i LOVED the atmosphere. flip side is, my meal was much better at the rose and thistle but the actual atmosphere didn't do as much for me.

this is yelp mind you. i'm not a professional reviewer. :)
if this was the new york times food review, they probably wouldn't even touch angelo's with a ten foot pole. me, hell... i'll eat anywhere and try anything. and more than likely i'll yelp about it.

there are a few yelp threads on TT if you'd like to talk more about this.

posted by upso on May 24, 2013 at 05:27:41 pm     #   1 person liked this

splinterofchaos posted at 05:26:39 PM on May 24, 2013:

The picture I get from reading this thread: Downtown is collapsing under its own success due to no one going to all these jam packed bars. The happy citizens of Toledo could not be more depressed.

sums it up nicely!

posted by upso on May 24, 2013 at 05:28:17 pm     #   3 people liked this

Veritas, I don't hate downtown. What I dislike is all the homerism and boondoggle. How many times do I have to post here that I have been patronizing downtown bars and restaurants for quite a long time.

It's sort of how yourself and other folks at TT hate this thread, but continue reading and posting.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 24, 2013 at 05:29:10 pm     #  

Is it at all possible that downtown is still a tough market and yet be on a comparative upswing in recent years?

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on May 24, 2013 at 05:30:17 pm     #   2 people liked this

^^^ Nope. Used as an excuse too often and for too long.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 24, 2013 at 05:36:30 pm     #  

Nolan, that seems to be the way it has worked in other cities in recent times past. Especially during periods of downtown revitalisations. Pretty much every city that "reurbanised" has gone through similar steps and stages.

posted by ONEVillageIsAwesome on May 24, 2013 at 06:16:46 pm     #  

UPSO said: Negative comments I take straight to management as I would hope my customers would do for me!

How does that help (or yelp) the rest of us? We don't know, if you don't tell us on Yelp.

Once again: What's the point of a quality-assurance system if it's biased against negative data? A system packed only with positive information is uniformly useless to consumers.

posted by GuestZero on May 25, 2013 at 06:08:40 am     #  

Nolan said: Is it at all possible that downtown is still a tough market and yet be on a comparative upswing in recent years?

As fueled by taxpayer subsidies? And highly repetitive as well documented by Jr? Hell no. You haven't been around long enough to know, and you certainly don't demonstrate knowledge of your own employer's archives about decades of documented plans for development that never panned out (and will never pan out).

posted by GuestZero on May 25, 2013 at 06:11:26 am     #  

Hide. Thanks jr.

posted by holland on May 25, 2013 at 07:35:55 am     #  

GZ: yelp works because some people only post positive stuff, some people only post negative stuff, some people only post once, and some people just read the posts. it's the internet. it works itself out.

posted by nits on May 25, 2013 at 12:25:31 pm     #   2 people liked this

I drove through downtown during the lunch hour today, I certainly didn't see tumbleweeds like GZarthy and 6th_Bore claim.

posted by anonymouscoward on May 31, 2013 at 03:44:57 pm     #   6 people liked this

DT Toledo is indeed a step up from tumbleweeds, AC. But that's still not viable economic activity. You can't find tumbleweeds in Detroit either. There's a lesson there for you, assuming Liberals can learn, which isn't a good bet.

6th_Floor has already taken the steps to watch the economic activity that's happening. I've done the same to a lesser degree. The conclusion is that it's not enough for the outlets that are there. There are too many bars, restaurants, shops and galleries to be serviced by customers.

I doubt you even slowed down to notice those details, AC. Or, you have some ideological barrier against admitting it. Some combination thereof, I posit. Your latter factor was ever my thesis here.

posted by GuestZero on Jun 02, 2013 at 08:32:42 pm     #  

I didn't mention this earlier this year, since I haven't asked about it or looked often enough to know if it was officially closed.

After a couple last gasps, it appears that Mickey Finns has finally has bitten the dust.

Finns was closed tonight on a Friday night. Also, I was told by a friend Friday afternoon that whoever was leasing the bar for a while didn't work out, so Mickey finally threw in the towel. It'll be available for special events, but the bar is closed. He more or less owns the entire block and it's all for sale.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 15, 2013 at 03:12:13 am     #  

UPSO replied about MF: __It's still going strong. I have several friends working there, and they are still employed.
__
! posted by upso on Jan 15, 2012 at 03:07:12 am # +

Of course I didn't believe MF was "going strong" when I questioned if the bar would soon close last year, but I must ask where are your friends formerly employed by MF working now?

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 15, 2013 at 03:22:35 am     #  

had to ask around because i'm totally out of the loop on the nightlife happenings in toledo these days. looks like they've been closed for about two months.

the bar had been being managed by a company called Innovation Concerts: http://innovationconcerts.com they were basically running the bar 100% renting the space from Mickey. They did some upgrades to the kitchen, amped up security and from the sounds of it things were going really well.

Then one day, employees showed up, the locks had been changed as well as the security codes with a note on the door saying that the contract between MF & Innovation had been breached.

From the sounds of it, it's going to be re-opened but I have no more information then that. My friends that were working there have either gone on to different serving jobs, or on to other things. For example one guy is now back to tattooing full-time at infinite art on secor.

That's all the info I have but I'll let you know if I hear more.

have a great weekend!

posted by upso on Jun 15, 2013 at 02:23:55 pm     #   5 people liked this

Thanks for the update upso. It matches what my friend told me Mickey decided. I'm assuming that Innovation Concerts lack of paying rent had a lot to do with the contract being breached.

Tequila Sheila's also was absent activity last night at 11pm. If a similar situation exists tonight, it's probably a safe bet to add Tequila Sheila's to the "Another one bites the dust" list.

On a brighter note, it appears some sort of art business will be opening on St. Clair where Fine Things Bistro was located.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 15, 2013 at 04:20:03 pm     #  

Tequila Sheila's Bar @ Monroe & Erie Street again was closed Saturday night, so it appears to be out of business.

This afternoon I noticed antique/gift store named "Rare Finds on Adams LLC" has left downtown and moved to 1414 N. Reynolds.

A sign in the window states the last day of business was 6-15 and they would be re-opening in July on Reynolds Road.

I cannot recall a weekend where I saw less activity downtown. Blarney & Table44 didn't even bother opening today for potential Father's Day business.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 16, 2013 at 06:59:43 pm     #  

Rare Finds on Adams LLC formerly operated at 1501 Adams...across the street from Manhattan's.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 16, 2013 at 07:00:39 pm     #  

If you think things are going really well, and then suddenly the doors are padlocked, then the rational man goes back and examines why the heck he ever thought things were going really well.

posted by GuestZero on Jun 16, 2013 at 07:50:25 pm     #  

6th... that's interesting. the blarney was closed? their website says they should have been open: http://www.theblarneyirishpub.com/contact-hours.aspx
their facebook page makes no mention of being closed: https://www.facebook.com/blarneytoledo

I checked table 44's website and yikes: http://www.tableforty4.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi
their account has been suspended! their facebook page hasn't been updated since november of last year: https://www.facebook.com/TableForty4

as for the antique shops on adams... i'm not surprised one of them has moved. While personally I loved the location as it was on my way home from work... every time I visited it was beyond dead / empty. Hope they find better luck in their new Reynolds local. Only clarification I would make is that rarefinds was in "uptown" not "downtown" :) not that it matters either way!

posted by upso on Jun 16, 2013 at 09:31:19 pm     #  

Upso, I was downtown a few different times Sunday and Blarney wasn't open. Their posted business hours state Sundays are "Special events only."

Pizza Papalis looked like it benefited from the lack of competition in the immediate area.

Regarding T44, it's long past time to assign it dead man walking status. Not only are they not paying property taxes, lacking crowds, now they aren't even maintaining a website or their FB page.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 17, 2013 at 12:09:59 am     #  

Maybe drop them a hint to change their business hours at their facebook page, to match what's posted in their front window sign and their actual operating hours?

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 17, 2013 at 12:25:46 am     #  

Well T44 appears to be doing business right now, so GZ and 6th, why don't you call them and ask about the website, Facebook, and taxes? Or are you chicken? I double dog dare you.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jun 17, 2013 at 12:14:18 pm     #   2 people liked this

Why would I need to ask T44 about their taxes? I pay taxes to a government that's supposed to collect taxes from everyone without bias, without fail. Why aren't they doing that in T44's case? Levy, then seize, then auction it off. Drive that price down.

I passed by Bleak House Coffee (should have been called Bleak Coffee House, but I digress) today at 830am. Prime time for morning coffee, AC. I specifically walked from my car to the front glass and creepily peered in just to make the barista fear for her life and maidenhead. So, care to guess how many customers were packed in there?

TWO. LOL!

The Spitzer and Nicholas buildings are done, like dinner. You cheerleaders avoid that new part of the downtown desolation. A new economy is not being constructed. What's happening downtown is a bunch of moving things around so that you people have something to rah-rah about.

posted by GuestZero on Jun 17, 2013 at 12:55:55 pm     #  

I specifically walked from my car to the front glass and creepily peered in just to make the barista fear for her life and maidenhead.

Her maidenhead. Oooookkkaaaaaaaayyyyyy.....

Chester the Molester lives....

posted by oldhometown on Jun 17, 2013 at 01:08:35 pm     #   5 people liked this

Chester the Middle Englishman. :)

posted by justread on Jun 17, 2013 at 01:13:30 pm     #  

I knew you'd like the verbiage. I speak of course to refined gentlemen who understand the country matters whereof I speak.

posted by GuestZero on Jun 17, 2013 at 02:23:47 pm     #  

You still could have called and asked about the website and Facebook, GZarthy. Or call the tax collections office about the back taxes, since that's such a huge issue for you and The Blah is failing at investigating it. I'd make "bawk bawk" noises at you for being a chicken, but you'd think it was a come-on.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jun 17, 2013 at 02:44:17 pm     #  

oldhometown posted at 01:08:35 PM on Jun 17, 2013:

I specifically walked from my car to the front glass and creepily peered in just to make the barista fear for her life and maidenhead.

Her maidenhead. Oooookkkaaaaaaaayyyyyy.....

Chester the Molester lives....

Yeeeaah. Can't understand why more people don't hang out in these places. Random creeps leering in the windows is a selling point in more chic locales than Toledo...

posted by Sohio on Jun 17, 2013 at 02:47:01 pm     #   5 people liked this

I'm not sure why I typed "Rare Finds" because the actual name is "Great Finds on Adams LLC." A second store also existed there named "Valentine Vintage" but it's also moving to Reynolds Road.

Bleakhouse is so dead and empty I saw an employee or patron sleeping there Saturday afternoon. LOL

Jominic's has added Saturday hours via their "Summer schedule." There wasn't a single customer there Saturday when I was in the area. Unfortunately, I don't see 2014 being part of Jominic's future.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 17, 2013 at 06:12:34 pm     #  

From the TT posting guidelines:

"don't troll, which means posting inflammatory messages for the sole purpose of baiting others to argue the points until blue in the face. People "troll" for kicks and to destroy conversations and communities. Intelligent discussion and debate is preferred."

Apparently GuestZero making rape jokes about real people doesn't cross the line. All of the visitors to this site that do not have accounts see the filth that many have hidden from view.

You may have taken away part of his audience jr, but he still has a medium. I hope I'm not the only one who thinks such posts "destroy conversations and communities."

posted by brainswell on Jun 17, 2013 at 06:59:56 pm     #   2 people liked this

Brian posted: __Apparently GuestZero making rape jokes about real people doesn't cross the line. All of the visitors to this site that do not have accounts see the filth that many have hidden from view. __

What GZ typed was in response to all the ridiculous posts by others regarding observing business activity. There are hundreds of weirdos wandering downtown daily...GZ is the least of their worries.

Bleakhouse has very little business, and will close when Ciolek tires of the monthly burning of his earned cash.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 17, 2013 at 11:03:23 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 11:03:23 PM on Jun 17, 2013:

Brian posted: __Apparently GuestZero making rape jokes about real people doesn't cross the line. All of the visitors to this site that do not have accounts see the filth that many have hidden from view. __

What GZ typed was in response to all the ridiculous posts by others regarding observing business activity. There are hundreds of weirdos wandering downtown daily...GZ is the least of their worries.

Bleakhouse has very little business, and will close when Ciolek tires of the monthly burning of his earned cash.

You and GZ are NOT the least of downtown's worries. I'm waiting for the inevitable day when you two get wind of the final day of another downtown business and are standing outside jerkin' your tiny gherkins while waving Westboro Baptist-esque signs as the owner flips the sign around to CLOSED. I can see the signs... "GOD HATES DOWNTOWN" "BUSINESSES CLOSE, ADAM SMITH LAUGHS" "PRAY FOR MORE FAILING BUSINESSES"

You two schmucks GET OFF on the closing of small businesses while spouting nearly every line of the oh-so-business-friendly Republican/Libertarian platform. I can't imagine how you live with the cognitive dissonance.

Is that what you guys do all day, creep around Downtown getting a boner every time you don't see the kind of business you expect, peeping in windows and slowly cruising around in your broken-down rusted-out shitbox vans like pedos near a playground? Then after a busy day logging how many people are at each place during the lunch hour, you rush online to post here about it.

Seriously, cheering on small businesses and downtown to fail? What kind of demented sickos do you have to be to indiscriminately cheer on small businesses to fail? 4Chan /b/tards are less sick than you two. Why don't you go do something else up your alley, like cheer on cancer in cancer patients, or donate spray paint to vandals, or buy your friendly neighborhood arsonist a can of gas and a box of matches?

This sort of behavior really enforces the idea that Libertarianism is just anarchy for rich people. "I got mine so fuck you, let it all burn!"

Everyone who thinks GZ and 6th are sick puppies* for this creeping around downtown and cheerleading for businesses to fail ought to click on the little + to show them exactly how many people here dislike their attitude and outlook on life.

*This is in no way meant to compare GZ and 6th to puppies or paint puppies as being sick in any way. Please, puppies, don't sue me for slander.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jun 17, 2013 at 11:51:54 pm     #   9 people liked this

AC, you are one of 3 people I have on block here at TT.

So, I no longer see or read your posts.

What you think about me never mattered, and what's awesome is I no longer have to read most of your trolling nonsense here.

Cheers :)

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 18, 2013 at 03:12:57 am     #  

Sohio said: Can't understand why more people don't hang out in these places. Random creeps leering in the windows is a selling point in more chic locales than Toledo...

It's not the random 'creeps' that put people off. It's the nutty Black people wandering around downtown like a zombie horde, dressed in literal rags, and muttering something that sounds like "gimme change" or "gimme brains" (they sound so similar). Glad to finally get one of you Liberals to even admit that it's even possible that a population of undesirable people can cause the degradation of such an urban area. What remains is for you to admit that it's not a well-dressed White fellow like myself that's to blame. There aren't even that many of those downtown, visually speaking. So it's another class of person. Slowly the truth will hit you.

posted by GuestZero on Jun 18, 2013 at 10:19:41 am     #  

Ac (ever the fan) said: You two schmucks GET OFF on the closing of small businesses while spouting nearly every line of the oh-so-business-friendly Republican/Libertarian platform.

I can't speak for 6F, but I enjoy watching economic rationality asserting itself brutally on those who long denied it. Open up a business downtown, particularly a retail one, and you're doing one of the most stupid things ever.

As for 'schmuck', your yarmulke is showing. Oy vey iz mir, oh weh! What a nebbish.

(LOLs mandatory.)

posted by GuestZero on Jun 18, 2013 at 10:26:12 am     #  

AC (riding coattails) said: What kind of demented sickos do you have to be to indiscriminately cheer on small businesses to fail?

Oh, I'm not indiscriminate. I observe, judge, then laugh as required by sound criteria. There's space for some coffee houses, restaurants, bars and hotels downtown. Some. No question. But that space is smaller than what we have today. That's what Toledo's economic energy supports.

BTW, I checked Giammarco's long-slogging location at 611 Monroe St and noticed there's no current tax information there at all. The Summary page lists nothing for current taxes, not even zeroes. The Current Taxes tab says "[t]here is no current collection information on file for this parcel". Seems like a pretty sweet deal for Giammarco... but that seems a little odd, for if what's going on there is slated to be soooooo successful, then why has his tax obligation been zeroized? In turn, I'm gonna GuestZeroize it. LOLs all around!

What's really going on downtown is so obvious it's becoming painful, like walking through some of the thistles coming up through the sidewalk gratings near Grumpy's. There's a huge scam going on downtown. Taxpayers are being screwed. Those who are still paying, I mean.

posted by GuestZero on Jun 18, 2013 at 10:38:47 am     #  

http://i.imgur.com/iNruyBM.png <-- Whatever he has to say? Yeah. Probably doesn't matter.

Dear JR: dude made jokes about raping real life women in Toledo. Is that okay still by your rules on this board? Because uh... rape? Not so funny.

posted by endcycle on Jun 18, 2013 at 03:36:53 pm     #   1 person liked this

Another day...another one bites the dust downtown.

This place never had a chance from day one. I'm not sure if they even made it a full year.

The dumbfucks have a vote YES for issue 25 sign still in their window, so as far as I'm concerned, anybody that stupid deserves to go out of business.

Weekdays Breakfast & Lunch Diner @ 614 Adams Street.

A sign on the front door reads: "Sorry, Weedkays is closed PERMANENTLY. Thank you to all our customers that supported us while we were here.

God Bless!

Sean & the entire Weekdays staff.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 18, 2013 at 03:55:05 pm     #  

Weekdays Diner neighbor, Jominic's Subs is so empty more days than not, it will be lucky to be open when 2013 ends.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 18, 2013 at 04:16:15 pm     #  

I know Sean and work with his brother. Weekdays had an awesome burger and breakfast food. I will definitely miss them during lunch downtown.

However, I tried that Jominic's Sub place and I will never go back- Sandwiches were kind of pricy and took FOREVER to make and we were the only ones in there at the time.

posted by stooks on Jun 18, 2013 at 04:26:51 pm     #  

I tried weekdays once. I ordered about 12:10 and did not get food until about 12:50. Food was decent, but the wait was ridiculous, so I never went back.

posted by brainswell on Jun 18, 2013 at 04:32:31 pm     #  

Oh we always ordered ahead of time for pickup.

We always seem to have a hit or miss experience at Focaccias when we dine in.

posted by stooks on Jun 18, 2013 at 04:45:45 pm     #  

brainswell posted :

Apparently GuestZero making rape jokes about real people doesn't cross the line.

endcycle posted :

Dear JR: dude made jokes about raping real life women in Toledo. Is that okay still by your rules on this board?

Can you post a link to the comment because I don't know what you're talking about.

posted by jr on Jun 18, 2013 at 05:47:56 pm     #  

I believe the statement in question was:

I passed by Bleak House Coffee (should have been called Bleak Coffee House, but I digress) today at 830am. Prime time for morning coffee, AC. I specifically walked from my car to the front glass and creepily peered in just to make the barista fear for her life and maidenhead. So, care to guess how many customers were packed in there?

posted by oldhometown on Jun 18, 2013 at 06:00:19 pm     #   3 people liked this

6th_Floor posted at 03:12:57 AM on Jun 18, 2013:

AC, you are one of 3 people I have on block here at TT.

So, I no longer see or read your posts.

What you think about me never mattered, and what's awesome is I no longer have to read most of your trolling nonsense here.

Cheers :)

Hey everyone, isn't it just great now that we have an ignore feature to see the trolls do the "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU BECAUSE I BLOCKED YOU!" dance?

Thanks, jr.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jun 19, 2013 at 01:02:15 am     #   3 people liked this

The biggest joke of all here is the very idea that anyone who checks out the businesses downtown is in any way creepy. Hang a sign, OHT and others, simply saying that you want to ban anyone who notices the emperor is stark naked, walking with a limp, and has the consumption.

2013 is turning out to be a milestone year for downtown business closures and drawdowns. By Labor Day, there will be more of that to report.

Any of you turds that want to say different, simply instead slap shut that yipping yap and work to make Toledo better. I do that every day. Every day. I go to work, pay taxes, and keep my street and home safe and clean. Imagine how much better off we'd be if everyone did that. Of course, that would require transforming a lot of the takers (the 47%) into makers. Seems pretty much impossible at this juncture. Toledo intends to rot down into an urban humus, driven by the buzzing bacteria in the welfare state.

posted by GuestZero on Jun 19, 2013 at 09:59:46 am     #   1 person liked this

JR- oldhometown posted it. I personally think it's borderline, but man... making a joke about raping someone? Even in obvious jest, that's a real person you're talking about there buddy.

posted by endcycle on Jun 19, 2013 at 10:29:03 am     #   1 person liked this

6th_Floor posted:

"Tequila Sheila's Bar @ Monroe & Erie Street again was closed Saturday night, so it appears to be out of business"

Ya know, this is one odd business. I pass by it on my way home each evening. Mostly it is closed. Every now and then it is open.

posted by Foodie on Jun 19, 2013 at 10:47:25 am     #  

I go to work everyday, pay taxes, keep my house looking good, the street however is filled with terrible potholes and crazy drivers:-P

ohh! I also don't leave my trash cans sitting empty out front three days after trash pick up. :)

posted by stooks on Jun 19, 2013 at 10:50:20 am     #  

because I wanted to be 800

posted by Molsonator on Jun 19, 2013 at 11:00:32 am     #   2 people liked this

Boating.
The new Mexican Restaurant.

posted by justread on Jun 19, 2013 at 11:32:54 am     #  

Dam, he moved it. :)

posted by justread on Jun 19, 2013 at 11:33:13 am     #  

GuestZero posted on Jun 17, 2013 :

I specifically walked from my car to the front glass and creepily peered in just to make the barista fear for her life and maidenhead.

GuestZero posted on Jun 19, 2013 (less than 48 hours later) :

The biggest joke of all here is the very idea that anyone who checks out the businesses downtown is in any way creepy.

GuestZero, you proudly proclaimed your intentional creepy behavior, and then you whine about others calling your actions creepy.

Is my math correct on that? If so, then your thinking is a bit scatterbrained.

By the way:

"creepily peered in just to make the barista fear for her life and maidenhead."

is probably not the best way to impress the ladies.

posted by jr on Jun 19, 2013 at 11:52:16 am     #   1 person liked this

I think that was in reply to all the others that called him creepy for reporting his observations around downtown.

posted by Linecrosser on Jun 19, 2013 at 12:17:21 pm     #  

btw: went to jominics today. 2 people in front of me and around 10 people came in altogether after I ordered at 12:20ish. They made a really tasty genoa salami sub for me ($4!), and I watched a very large catering meal getting put together. anecdotally, they seem to be doing relatively fine... but maybe they should be death-watched anyway since, well, they exist and stuff.

shame about weekdays closing - but not too surprising. great food, terrible service.

posted by endcycle on Jun 19, 2013 at 03:08:31 pm     #  

endcycle posted at 03:08:31 PM on Jun 19, 2013:

btw: went to jominics today. 2 people in front of me and around 10 people came in altogether after I ordered at 12:20ish. They made a really tasty genoa salami sub for me ($4!), and I watched a very large catering meal getting put together. anecdotally, they seem to be doing relatively fine... but maybe they should be death-watched anyway since, well, they exist and stuff.

shame about weekdays closing - but not too surprising. great food, terrible service.

Didn't you hear, there's a new law that's been developed in physics: GuestZero's Law. It's based of of Schrödinger's Cat and the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, and it states that unless GZ himself actually observes business patronage downtown, that business is dead and patrons do not exist.

posted by anonymouscoward on Jun 19, 2013 at 05:42:16 pm     #  

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/22636495/three-dozen-delinquent-taxpayers-owe-lucas-county-5m

Well there you go, are ya happy now?

posted by anonymouscoward on Jun 19, 2013 at 11:52:33 pm     #  

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