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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

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I wonder if as the businesses expand on Adams if Claro coffee will start being open late nights. Could get a wild demographic shift when you can get late night tacos and margaritas and then follow up with some Christian espresso!

posted by upso on Jan 30, 2017 at 07:04:09 pm     #  

A lot of progress has been made at Poco Loco since Christmas.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 30, 2017 at 09:44:43 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 09:44:43 PM on Jan 30, 2017:

A lot of progress has been made at Poco Loco since Christmas.

Details?

posted by ckbeats21 on Jan 30, 2017 at 11:34:01 pm     #  

Instead of Taco Toledo we're getting Taco Gringo Mexican restaurant where Martini & Nuzzi last operated at 329 N. Huron.

http://www.toledoblade.com/business/2017/02/03/Food-truck-operator-to-try-sit-down-restaurant.html

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 03, 2017 at 05:14:24 am     #  

7 a.m. to 9 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays and from 7 a.m. until 4 a.m. Fridays and Saturdays, said he hopes to open by May 1.

With those operating hours, has the proprietor performed any market research whatsoever? This one won't even be a year from opening to closing.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 03, 2017 at 05:17:25 am     #  

Panera coming to downtown Toledo, as well as a another coffee shop ....I think it is Biggby

posted by Hoops on Feb 03, 2017 at 08:34:00 am     #  

Really? Where will each be going?

posted by Johio83 on Feb 03, 2017 at 08:40:18 am     #  

There already more coffee shops downtown now than actual businesses.

posted by westsidebob on Feb 03, 2017 at 08:49:29 am     #  

We already have a biggby. I'm assuming the Panera will be part of the Promedica campus?

posted by upso on Feb 03, 2017 at 08:52:12 am     #  

Berdan also is going to have 4000-5000 sq. ft. of ground level commercial space available across from 5/3 home plate entrance.

Maybe another coffeehouse will open there? SMH

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 03, 2017 at 09:47:27 am     #  

Hmmm.. A Mexican restaurant at the old Nuzzies location?? Shocker. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they will have a taco Tuesday and $1.50 bud lights? Way to keep it real Toledo. Enough with the fine dining BS. It's not what Toledo is. Never will be. Who stole my idea?

posted by Adams_Street on Feb 03, 2017 at 10:06:03 am     #  

...how exactly does the opening of a taco place mean fine dining can't be a thing? I don't get how there is any correlation between the two. I mean, wouldn't that be the same thing as saying "well they have Bud Light on tap, might as well disconnect all the microbrew lines"

posted by Johio83 on Feb 03, 2017 at 10:13:22 am     #  

Condado in the short north of Columbus is the most packed restaurant. Usually an hour to two wait. They do make your own $3 tacos.

They are opening 4 new locations in Columbus this year. And possibly franchising.

People love tacos - you open a Condado or similar place in the old Swan Creek Candle next to Packo's you would kill it.

Americans love Tacos - not just a Toledo loves Tacos.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 03, 2017 at 10:48:14 am     #  

The Nuzzies location was already a taco seller three restaurants prior.

posted by westsidebob on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:18:01 am     #  

The Nuzzies location is a cursed location. If it can't survive as a Mexican restaurant with a bar back when there were still some businesses in that area there is no way they will make it now.

Whilst I like the idea of a late night place to grab taco's this isn't a good location. He should open up a food truck on Adams by the Ottawa Tavern on weekends and that would be a gold mine.

Who is going to go in that area at 4 a.m.????

posted by classylady on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:22:54 am     #  

I heard from a good source that Starbucks is looking for a place downtown. There is also another coffee house that is to open soon at the old Biggby location in the Ohio Building. It was suppose to have been opened in October or November and they are still working on it. The progress on that is as slow as Maddie and Bella.

I'm excited to hear Panera is opening downtown.

Anyone know when Potbelly is going to open? They are doing work on it every day when I walk past there.

posted by classylady on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:26:58 am     #  

classylady posted at 11:22:54 AM on Feb 03, 2017:

The Nuzzies location is a cursed location. If it can't survive as a Mexican restaurant with a bar back when there were still some businesses in that area there is no way they will make it now.

Whilst I like the idea of a late night place to grab taco's this isn't a good location. He should open up a food truck on Adams by the Ottawa Tavern on weekends and that would be a gold mine.

Who is going to go in that area at 4 a.m.????

Nobody lol. I don't even like going there at 8 p.m.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:35:06 am     #  

The Ohio Building spot is going to be Plate 1, the second spot for Sandy Spang's Plate 21

posted by Johio83 on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:37:43 am     #  

Adams_Street posted at 10:06:03 AM on Feb 03, 2017:

Hmmm.. A Mexican restaurant at the old Nuzzies location?? Shocker. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they will have a taco Tuesday and $1.50 bud lights? Way to keep it real Toledo. Enough with the fine dining BS. It's not what Toledo is. Never will be. Who stole my idea?

That's the old Diva location. I must have fine dined there a hundred times. Sorry you missed it. It was excellent.

posted by justread on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:44:15 am     #  

Which you could say Registry Bistro is essentially Diva 2.0

posted by Johio83 on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:01:57 pm     #  

Adams_Street posted at 10:06:03 AM on Feb 03, 2017:

Hmmm.. A Mexican restaurant at the old Nuzzies location?? Shocker. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they will have a taco Tuesday and $1.50 bud lights? Way to keep it real Toledo. Enough with the fine dining BS. It's not what Toledo is. Never will be. Who stole my idea?

You must have a fan. Enough with this fine dining crap, give the people what they want! The last place that served tacos here must have been ahead of the game a bit. Downtown has really evolved towards this.

#cheesecakefactorydreaming

posted by ahmahler on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:04:05 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 05:17:25 AM on Feb 03, 2017:

7 a.m. to 9 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays and from 7 a.m. until 4 a.m. Fridays and Saturdays, said he hopes to open by May 1.

With those operating hours, has the proprietor performed any market research whatsoever? This one won't even be a year from opening to closing.

maybe its expecting to serve a dual purpose like Los Pollo Hermanos did?

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:06:03 pm     #  

Here's the taco concept that is just blowing up:

http://www.bakersfieldtacos.com/

You can't get near the Cinci location, and the Columbus is always packed as well. Restaurant group is just a few years old. They do a great job. Something like THIS could totally work in the Diva/ Nuzzi space.

posted by ahmahler on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:07:12 pm     #  

I would kill for a Bakersfield in Toledo. It was one of the places I listed in the "what I want to see in Toledo" thread.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:15:33 pm     #  

I wish the best of luck to anyone trying to open a new restaurant in this town.

Hopefully Taco Gringo will have better luck this time around. His food truck recently caught on fire, and his automotive business burned down about a year ago.

His son Emiliano has pictures of the location up on his fb page,and they are already looking for waitstaff, bartenders and dj's, so maybe they will be opening sooner than May !

posted by foodie88 on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:16:27 pm     #  

I have never personally tried his tacos, but I have heard that their food is awesome, and the online reviews here and there seem to back that up.

I do love a good taco.

posted by foodie88 on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:27:15 pm     #  

I've tried their food - it was really, really good. I'm definitely nervous about the location for them right NOW, but it's an interesting position to be in for the future. That area's been a bit ignored and neglected downtown, and with Promedica popping in there and the fiberglass tower / maumee-whatever-they-called-it tower underway... COULD be a gold mine. I hope so.

posted by endcycle on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:41:02 pm     #  

Yeah, downtown's problem areas are going to be very different once Promedica settles in.

posted by upso on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:55:19 pm     #  

I am excited for this. I used to love getting their tacos on Thursday from his food truck!

posted by stooks on Feb 03, 2017 at 01:26:14 pm     #  

upso posted at 12:55:19 PM on Feb 03, 2017:

Yeah, downtown's problem areas are going to be very different once Promedica settles in.

Predictions?

I'm beginning to think the Vistula area is gonna get hot.

posted by endcycle on Feb 03, 2017 at 02:10:25 pm     #  

Any word on Fowl and Fodder's Adam street location?

posted by classylady on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:28:12 pm     #  

http://www.toledoblade.com/Real-Estate/2017/02/04/Developer-envisions-downtown-Toledo-gem.html

Another loft development

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 04, 2017 at 01:37:38 am     #   2 people liked this

Wow. I LOVE that guy. How cool is that?

posted by ahmahler on Feb 04, 2017 at 08:41:34 am     #   1 person liked this

The more outside interest we can get in downtown, the better off we are. Very cool.

posted by upso on Feb 04, 2017 at 11:04:04 am     #   1 person liked this

I don't mean this question in a negative way, but why does everyone think that when ProMedica moves downtown, there is going to be such a demand for apartments and restaurants? I understand lunch time restaurants maybe - if they're quick enough to get in and out in less than an hour. But are people really expecting ProMedica employees to stick around after work and have dinner at these places? Or to sell their homes in the suburbs and move to a loft downtown? I'm just not getting the connection here.

posted by dell_diva on Feb 04, 2017 at 01:08:47 pm     #  

There are market studies that support significant residential demand in downtown, aside from anything Promedica is doing.

posted by slowsol on Feb 04, 2017 at 01:48:27 pm     #  

There was an independent study done a handful of years before the ProMedica announcement that said downtown could absorb another 2500 units before current demand tapered off.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 04, 2017 at 03:39:20 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 01:21:01 PM on Oct 28, 2016:

Oh, forgot to add another to the list. There will be a very significant residential development in the Warehouse District that should be announced soon. Prominent developer, will be their first project in Ohio. Only their second in the US I believe, as a matter of fact. The sale was completed earlier this month.

btw, this is the development I was talking about back then. The "sale was completed" obviously should have said "it's under contract" though.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 06, 2017 at 11:15:49 am     #   1 person liked this

It was mentioned previously that Biggby was leaving Cricket West...

here is the new coffee shop taking over:
http://www.siptoledo.com/

https://www.facebook.com/SipCoffeeToledo

posted by upso on Feb 06, 2017 at 09:09:07 pm     #  

What is being built at the corner of Summit and Lafayette? Surprising to see a free standing building going in with so many other available spaces.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 07, 2017 at 09:51:40 am     #  

That's not a new building. The owner is just rehabbing the interior and exterior. It's office space.

posted by upso on Feb 07, 2017 at 10:38:42 am     #   1 person liked this

Isn't the building at Summit and Lafayette the one Cornerstone church bought and is rehabbing into church and office space in the lower levels and housing in the upper two levels?

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 07, 2017 at 11:17:21 am     #  

jamesteroh posted at 11:17:21 AM on Feb 07, 2017:

Isn't the building at Summit and Lafayette the one Cornerstone church bought and is rehabbing into church and office space in the lower levels and housing in the upper two levels?

Thats Summit and Perry. The old "Events Center".

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 07, 2017 at 11:27:17 am     #  

I knew it was the old events center, couldn't remember the intersection it was at. Thanks!

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 07, 2017 at 11:47:53 am     #  

Delldiva, to speak from my own experience I would only consider moving to a downtown space if I saw evidence that there was a vibrant street scene with people on the sidewalks from early morning to mid-evening, families walking to parks or greenspaces or events, the occasional runner/jogger, and maybe a mix of people walking a mix of dogs. Plus a good bakery and grocery market nearby :-)

I think people's hopes are that a big workplace like Promedica will generate a lot of daytime sidewalk traffic and the restaurants/bars will help keep people downtown after 5:00 p.m. at least a few days a week.

Two additional factors to consider are that big companies have all kinds of visitors, vendors, industry folks coming and going during "appointment hours" which are slightly different from standard rush hour. More sidewalk traffic, more need for lunch & dinner options, more business/professional use of coffee spaces.

Also the big companies are in a good position to hire hundreds of young professionals and I think the idea is that cool urban spaces appeal to young folks. It's the young(ish) ones wandering around and examining the rehabber possibilities that might lead to further residential development.

Disclaimer: not an expert, I just read New York Times.

posted by viola on Feb 07, 2017 at 12:06:08 pm     #  

To have such a scene will take years, and by then I'll have no interest in that kind of fun lol. I worked downtown for 13 years, from 2003 until last year, and could cross the street nine times out of 10 without looking. Progress has been made, for sure, but there is along way to go, a long way. I hope downtown rises up, but if I were a betting man I'd hold onto my chips for a while.

posted by westsidebob on Feb 07, 2017 at 02:38:05 pm     #  

upso, any idea where new biggby location is landing?

posted by westsidebob on Feb 07, 2017 at 02:42:27 pm     #  

I like living downtown but wouldn't want to live downtown if I had children. It's great if you are single or a couple with no children living at home. The middlegrounds is nice if you like to walk or run and for biking the path along the river that leads to the bike trail off summit is pretty nice. LIving downtown is really nice if you work downtown. I love being able to bike or walk to work when the weather is nice and to be able to go home for lunch and nice being home a few minutes after leaving the office for the day. It's also nice being able to walk to the farmers market, etc.

It sucks not having a grocery store or pharmacy but before I lived downtown I didn't have a grocery or pharmacy that was a convenient walk to my old place and most people in Toledo don't.

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 07, 2017 at 02:46:38 pm     #  

westsidebob.....Biggby is to be located on the first floor of the former keybank bldg aka Junction Bldg for ProMedica. It will be on the same floor as the Chop House. Panera Is supposed to occupy the parking garage first floor space on the corner of Jefferson/Summit

posted by Hoops on Feb 07, 2017 at 02:59:32 pm     #  

Hoops-Is Biggby going to have two locations downtown? The location at Adams and Superior has only been there about a year. I don't understand why Biggby would want two locations downtown so close to each other

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 07, 2017 at 11:08:55 pm     #  

Totally wild guess on the Biggby thing, but when I was last in their loop, there were three different franchisees in our area, with one having most of the stores (and some in MI), a former employee of his having a couple, and a newer player having the one on the trail at Parkway Plaza.
If each of those downtown Biggbys is owned by a different franchisee, I can see why two would be so close to one another.
And the competition between franchisees can be pretty fierce.

posted by justread on Feb 08, 2017 at 05:44:46 am     #  

Update on the Renaissance Place

http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Behinc-the-scenes-look-at-the--413076393.html

posted by ahmahler on Feb 08, 2017 at 08:01:13 am     #  

Unless they've completely lost their minds and are remodeling, it appears that Nutrition City / Glass City Nutrition on Adams across the street from Bleak House has bit the dust.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 08, 2017 at 03:23:30 pm     #  

Nutrition city? Toledo is many things, but a nutrition city it is not. Shocker. Yet another downtown establishment down the drain. Smh.

posted by Adams_Street on Feb 08, 2017 at 04:00:05 pm     #  

Already there will be a 220 seat Chop House restaurant, another Biggby, along with possibly Panera and who knows what else adjacent to Promedica.

Additionally, Berdan will have 4,000-5,000 square feet of commercial space at ground level.

Call me crazy, but only speaking about DT bars and restaurants, it appears the synergy may ultimately work in reverse after the dust settles from the over-hyped Promedica gold rush.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 08, 2017 at 04:20:22 pm     #  

I know this argument is an endless loop. We need to really start looking at this differently.
While the population of the area has remained stagnant, the traffic DT has increased every year. We are now getting to a point, for many businesses, where we set location aside. Upscale restaurants are the most notable piece of that. When we say saturation, we need to slide some of these into the category of "regionally saturated". That's to be determined. The same would not be said about, say, lunch spots. Those are much more dependent upon locations and people at work.

posted by ahmahler on Feb 08, 2017 at 06:37:59 pm     #   1 person liked this

What are some good restaurants/coffee shops/etc. to hang out in the evenings and work on homework?

posted by ckbeats21 on Feb 14, 2017 at 04:09:51 pm     #  

"Additionally, Berdan will have 4,000-5,000 square feet of commercial space at ground level."

When I looked into that last summer I was told there was not going to be commercial space.

Hmm.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 14, 2017 at 05:11:28 pm     #  

Yup. Going to have a bar/grille. Not sure if it'll be taking the entire space, or just part of it.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 14, 2017 at 08:54:48 pm     #  

ckbeats21 posted at 04:09:51 PM on Feb 14, 2017:

What are some good restaurants/coffee shops/etc. to hang out in the evenings and work on homework?

What specifically are you looking for? Hours? Amenities?

posted by upso on Feb 14, 2017 at 10:51:52 pm     #  

The omnipresent "for rent" sign confirms that Nutrition City has bit the dust and that the endless loop here shall continue.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 15, 2017 at 10:55:53 am     #  

Saw this at TCP's FB page. 2am seems like a stretch for a restaurant in that area, but I'm looking forward to checking it out.

Poco Loco is Cocina de Carlos' newest location on Adams Street (right next door to Claro Coffee Bar). They will be open until 2am… you can find us there eating street tacos! Be on the lookout for their official opening coming soon. In the meantime here is a little sneak peek.

https://www.facebook.com/toledocitypaper/

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 15, 2017 at 11:02:29 am     #  

Why in the hell nutrition city ever opened downtown and at that location is beyond me. They are hardly an indicator of the revival (or lack thereof depending on who you ask of downtown)

The only indication they provided is that of stupidity.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 15, 2017 at 11:06:11 am     #  

LOL

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 15, 2017 at 11:08:37 am     #  

Oh joy. Restaurant week is upon us. BORING!! What sets "Restaurant week" apart from the other 51 weeks in Toledo? Thats all everyone does in Toledo. Go out to eat, drink and maybe the occasional movie. Overhyped BS.

posted by Adams_Street on Feb 23, 2017 at 12:41:05 pm     #   1 person liked this

Adams_Street posted at 12:41:05 PM on Feb 23, 2017:

Oh joy. Restaurant week is upon us. BORING!! What sets "Restaurant week" apart from the other 51 weeks in Toledo? Thats all everyone does in Toledo. Go out to eat, drink and maybe the occasional movie. Overhyped BS.

Dude, you need a kitten.

posted by ahmahler on Feb 23, 2017 at 12:45:12 pm     #   11 people liked this

What sets "Restaurant week" apart from the other 51 weeks in Toledo?

It supports Leadership Toledo. And Leadership Toledo is one of the things that sets Toledo apart.

Hatred toward a fundraiser that supports leadership development and social awareness for youth and adults alike. In a town that really needs leadership. Pretty dam negative. Is that the Adams Street vibe? Too cool for everything, too hip to help?

posted by justread on Feb 23, 2017 at 12:47:30 pm     #   9 people liked this

ahmahler posted at 12:45:12 PM on Feb 23, 2017:
Adams_Street posted at 12:41:05 PM on Feb 23, 2017:

Oh joy. Restaurant week is upon us. BORING!! What sets "Restaurant week" apart from the other 51 weeks in Toledo? Thats all everyone does in Toledo. Go out to eat, drink and maybe the occasional movie. Overhyped BS.

Dude, you need a kitten.

Think of the kitten.

posted by justread on Feb 23, 2017 at 12:48:14 pm     #   6 people liked this

So.....Table 44 videos patrons drinking at the bar. Hmmmmm. Maybe this is standard practice in the industry and Im sure there are plenty of good reasons why management would want to do this....but REALLY ? This is where we are at? I cant sit at a bar and not be potentially scrutinized and surveilled as I drink?

Good gawd.....could you imagine if all our bar/drinking escapades over the years have been surveilled and subject to review??? Holy blackmail.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 23, 2017 at 01:11:09 pm     #  

justread posted at 12:47:30 PM on Feb 23, 2017:

What sets "Restaurant week" apart from the other 51 weeks in Toledo?

It supports Leadership Toledo. And Leadership Toledo is one of the things that sets Toledo apart.

Hatred toward a fundraiser that supports leadership development and social awareness for youth and adults alike. In a town that really needs leadership. Pretty dam negative. Is that the Adams Street vibe? Too cool for everything, too hip to help?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
All of that PLUS- a huge uptick in business towards locally owner restaurants, who ALL report an increase in year round exposure and business, due to the success of this week, each year.

posted by ahmahler on Feb 23, 2017 at 01:13:08 pm     #  

And here I thought Restaurant Week was just an excuse for the Real Housewives of Toledo/Perrysburg/Ottawa Hills to drink Manhattans for a solid week and get their pictures taken while hubby eats a steak.

posted by westsidebob on Feb 23, 2017 at 01:44:12 pm     #   2 people liked this

I'm going to have a taco and wash it down with a Bud Light during restaurant week in Adams_Street honor.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Feb 23, 2017 at 01:52:20 pm     #   2 people liked this

It is very common for bar/restaurants to have video surveillance. It is for many reasons ranging from employee theft, liability, etc. A lot of times they are covert style cameras that you would not recognize.
Just good common sense to have them in this day and age.

posted by Hoops on Feb 23, 2017 at 01:54:02 pm     #   1 person liked this

westsidebob posted at 01:44:12 PM on Feb 23, 2017:

And here I thought Restaurant Week was just an excuse for the Real Housewives of Toledo/Perrysburg/Ottawa Hills to drink Manhattans for a solid week and get their pictures taken while hubby eats a steak.

Well, there is that............

posted by Foodie on Feb 23, 2017 at 01:54:29 pm     #  

Anyone know why there is a newer Ted's Burger sign up downtown?

posted by stooks on Feb 23, 2017 at 02:30:35 pm     #  

Is it the parking sign?

posted by upso on Feb 23, 2017 at 02:52:10 pm     #  

John (died in 2015) and Ted (son) always talked about Ted (great nephew of the original Ted) reopening the shop if things downtown improved. Maybe that's what is happening?

posted by justread on Feb 23, 2017 at 02:55:52 pm     #  

justread posted at 02:55:52 PM on Feb 23, 2017:

John (died in 2015) and Ted (son) always talked about Ted (great nephew of the original Ted) reopening the shop if things downtown improved. Maybe that's what is happening?

This would be fantastic.....

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 23, 2017 at 03:00:19 pm     #  

Hitching a charity to an event always seems to garner support and protect it from any scrutiny. Especially since every charity involving children is 100% pure.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 23, 2017 at 04:05:52 pm     #   2 people liked this

Whoever the Adams_Street poster is, I wouldn't tie his opinions in with anything the good people on Adams Street feel. They're all extremely pro-Toledo, and many get involved regularly with area charity groups.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 23, 2017 at 04:28:01 pm     #   2 people liked this

6th_Floor posted at 04:05:52 PM on Feb 23, 2017:

Hitching a charity to an event always seems to garner support and protect it from any scrutiny. Especially since every charity involving children is 100% pure.

Do you have some specific criticism of Leadership Toledo? As an ongoing sustaining donor, I have scrutinized them pretty good.

I don't mind your general negativity and absence of any actual contribution, but in regard to LT, unless you have something to bring to light, GFYS.

posted by justread on Feb 23, 2017 at 04:52:28 pm     #   6 people liked this

^
Thanks justread... was just coming to ask the same thing.

posted by wahhutch9 on Feb 23, 2017 at 04:56:52 pm     #  

I don't have any particular criticism of your charity of choice. It's just a tactic used often by various events and I've seen it too many times, so regardless how awesome you think it may be it doesn't mean anything to me.

Obviously your sensitive to something you personally support, so GFYS, and your charity, too.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 23, 2017 at 05:00:36 pm     #   2 people liked this

6th_Floor posted at 05:00:36 PM on Feb 23, 2017:

I don't have any particular criticism of your charity of choice. It's just a tactic used often by various events and I've seen it too many times, so regardless how awesome you think it may be it doesn't mean anything to me.

Obviously your sensitive to something you personally support, so GFYS, and your charity, too.

When you criticize "charity" in general, you hurt them all. If you have a specific issue or complaint, be specific. Nothing about the Leadership Toledo event should have inspired today's general nonspecific shot at... well... something.

I'm making a $50 donation to Leadership Toledo in your name. You have to live with the fact that you caused something positive. Good luck with that.

posted by justread on Feb 23, 2017 at 05:44:52 pm     #   4 people liked this

Johio83 posted at 04:28:01 PM on Feb 23, 2017:

Whoever the Adams_Street poster is, I wouldn't tie his opinions in with anything the good people on Adams Street feel. They're all extremely pro-Toledo, and many get involved regularly with area charity groups.

I know. That's kind of why I asked. I don't hang out on Adams, (too old) but my impression was that of a pretty live and let live environment.

posted by justread on Feb 23, 2017 at 05:49:04 pm     #  

What's going on with Kengo's. Every night I've gone by there this week the blinds were drawn and the place was dark with a sign saying "closed for service tonight" I don't like Sushi but even when I walk by there around 6 p.m. the place is packed

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 23, 2017 at 09:00:57 pm     #  

Kengo had a family emergency in Japan. They are closed for the week. Sounds like they'll take the opportunity to do some repairs and upgrades.

posted by ahmahler on Feb 23, 2017 at 09:34:22 pm     #  

Blade today with article stating Directions Credit Union is moving there offices from arrowhead and sylvania downtown and occupying floors 14-17 at the Tower on the Maumee (Fiberglass tower). 90 employees initially and up to 135 over time. Plan to be in by early 2018.

Another positive for doentown, but I'm starting to feel bad for arrowhead, my goodness have they lost a lot.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 23, 2017 at 09:45:50 pm     #  

Man, more good news for downtown. I am not a fan of Arrowhead in the least (since it basically came into existence as a "why be in Toledo when you could be here?" plot) but I do feel bad for Sylvania. It'll be nice when we finally get that big success story of an out-of-state firm moving here.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 23, 2017 at 10:09:49 pm     #  

(apologies in advance)

"Hatred toward a fundraiser that supports leadership development and social awareness for youth and adults alike. In a town that really needs leadership. Pretty dam negative."

I agree.

http://www.leadershiptoledo.org

But I do have some negativity, however, about their website design. I dislike the light grey text on the white background.

It appears that the website has interesting content that I would like to read. I'm one of the few people left who still loves text. [1]

But I don't understand how this is comfortable reading.

In my opinion, tiny fonts, low-contrast text, and page bloat make text-heavy websites hostile to readers.

And in my opinion, the Leadership Toledo Squarspace theme needs modified to increase the contrast of the text against the white background. A contrast ratio of less than 3:1 is rough.

The light grey text is hard to read, especially on an older monitor and on the phone with the too-small font size and with older eyes. Not everyone has 20/20 vision and brand new computer screens. [2]

I think that only one "simple" modification is needed: change the font color from #a3a3a3 to #222222, assuming that black on white is too harsh. [3]

The site's About page:

Same page but displayed with Safari Reader enabled.

Young web designers need to be aware that their parents read websites too.

If improving a website's readability can save one eyeball, then it's worth it.

Leave no retina strained.


[1]

  • Good writing is arguably the most important piece of a design project. - #
  • Good writing is good design. - #
  • When you respect the reader, the content itself is the only relevant medium. - #
  • ... the most powerful tool on the web is still words. At its heart, web design should be about words. - #
  • The content is the interface. - #
  • Designing for the web is still about words. - #
  • Write well first. Design well second. - #
  • Don’t tell us text is not important. 95% of what is commonly referred to as web design is typography. - #
  • A great web designer knows how to work with text not just as content, he treats “text as a user interface”. - #
  • If a website is difficult to navigate or read, they'll leave. - #
  • There’s no higher priority than readable text. - #
  • Don’t tell us to adjust the font size. Don’t tell us to get glasses. - #
  • When people say "My old tired eyes can't read this" It is because they can't. At 20 years old, your retina receives 100% of the light that hits the eye. At 40 years old, only 50% of the available light enters the retina. - #

[2]

Hacker News comment

I basically think design is like a cancer on the web anymore. You know what works? Craiglist, that's what works. I seriously want to punch a hipster every time I have to use an app [or a website] that used to work and has now been designed to death.

[3]

Typography may not seem like a crucial design element, but it is.

But if the web is relayed through text that’s difficult to read, it curtails that open access by excluding large swaths of people, such as the elderly, the visually impaired, or those retrieving websites through low-quality screens.

So why are designers resorting to lighter and lighter text [and tiny font sizes on phones]?

... when you design in perfect settings, with big, contrast-rich monitors, you blind yourself to users. To arbitrarily throw away contrast based on a fashion that “looks good on my perfect screen in my perfectly lit office” is abdicating designers’ responsibilities to the very people for whom they are designing.

Some useful advice exists in these pages:

Quit fucking around with grey text. Text contrast is not a bad thing. The print on your newspaper is not true black, nor is the text on your screen. These are limitations, not ideals. Stop making it worse.

http://contrastrebellion.com - Low-contrast font color and unreadable texts? To hell with them!

posted by jr on Feb 23, 2017 at 10:55:35 pm     #   2 people liked this

For those using Chrome browser recommend Dark Reader extension. Adjustable for individual sites provides a black background very easy on the old eyeballs.

posted by Mariner on Feb 24, 2017 at 06:58:50 am     #  

For those using Chrome browser recommend Dark Reader extension. Adjustable for individual sites provides a black background very easy on the old eyeballs.

posted by Mariner on Feb 24, 2017 at 06:58:50 am     #  

I would not be happy if I was working in Maumee or Sylvania and had to start working downtown. Maybe it's just me, but I don't like going downtown. I just don't. I know it's not popular to say around here, but I would see that as a major pain and disruption to my life.

Call me a lazy suburbanite or whatever (for the record, I have zero problem walking to my vehicle) but I like the suburbs, they're easy to get around and close to everything I need and want. That's where I want to work.

posted by JoeyGee on Feb 24, 2017 at 08:19:05 am     #  

As someone who has spent the past decade-plus of my professional life traveling the country and spending a week in any given city, I can say without even a remote comparison that Toledo is incredibly easy to navigate and well connected. The amount of time it takes you to get from one extreme of the metro area to another is what most other cities take you just to get to the nearest beltway entrance. For instance, I just google mapped my daily drive when I was in Orlando - 18 minutes from my house to the I-4 entrance. And that was just the first step of any trip I was taking around town.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 24, 2017 at 09:01:55 am     #  

JoeyGee posted at 08:19:05 AM on Feb 24, 2017:

I would not be happy if I was working in Maumee or Sylvania and had to start working downtown. Maybe it's just me, but I don't like going downtown. I just don't. I know it's not popular to say around here, but I would see that as a major pain and disruption to my life.

Call me a lazy suburbanite or whatever (for the record, I have zero problem walking to my vehicle) but I like the suburbs, they're easy to get around and close to everything I need and want. That's where I want to work.

Funny thing about that-

the previous company I worked for moved its offices from maumee (arrowhead area) to downtown a few years ago (I think we moved 70 or 75 people).

I, personally, was thrilled - sure, my commute went from 5 minutes on a bad day to (oh god) 15, and my bike commute went from "not breaking a sweat riding back roads" to 8 miles on river road, buuuuut.... working downtown was a huge positive change for me. More lunch choices, more people getting out and walking around during the day, meeting up with friends and coworkers from other companies, walking to a see the mudhens on an afternoon game, hitting the blarney for happy hour, yadda yadda.

That said, there were people who weren't happy with the change. There was one lady who was convinced that all of the other ladies would be "raped and robbed" between the parking lot and the office every day. (as far as I know, neither of those things ever happened to any coworkers) There was one guy who was pissed off that he'd have to drive his BMW downtown, scared it would get vandalized by all the poor people around or whatever... another guy who thought that panhandlers would attack you if you were white...

Within a year of moving downtown, the GENERAL consensus seemed to be that it was a positive move - our company became more engaged in the city and took an active volunteerism presence with some very cool organizations, we had the mayor and marcy kaptur come speak at our offices on random days, and (here's the cool thing) had a much easier time attracting young talent to the company.

There were SOME disadvantages - in the winter, the company responsible for our parking lot didn't do a great job all the time, and I bit it on the sidewalk more than once (usually in front of other people, of course). There were a couple of major power outages downtown that affected us pretty badly, and.... uh... I'm sure there's some other stuff too. I know that some people who lived west of the old office were looking at 30-45 minute commutes instead of 15-20 and were justifiably not thrilled, but the one lady I can think of that was most angry at first was someone who became a big cheerleader for the move within a year.

I now work for a different company, also downtown, and as long as I live in the area I think I'd really prefer working downtown overall. It just feels better - I love that there's a feeling of community and excitement down here, I love that there's change happening here, and that there's tangible and definite growth.

I guess to each their own and all that, but working downtown is kinda awesome. :)

posted by endcycle on Feb 24, 2017 at 09:05:13 am     #  

Plus, when you work downtown you don't even have to look before you cross the road most of the time.

posted by westsidebob on Feb 24, 2017 at 09:38:34 am     #  

westsidebob posted at 09:38:34 AM on Feb 24, 2017:

Plus, when you work downtown you don't even have to look before you cross the road most of the time.

Yeah, I'll let you try that first.

posted by endcycle on Feb 24, 2017 at 11:19:28 am     #  

That's how I rolled for 13 years in downtown up until last summer. I hope you all are right the changes that seem to be making their way to downtown stick this time, but I won't be putting all my eggs in that basket.

posted by westsidebob on Feb 24, 2017 at 11:29:38 am     #  

Xbuckeyex posted at 09:45:50 PM on Feb 23, 2017:

Blade today with article stating Directions Credit Union is moving there offices from arrowhead and sylvania downtown and occupying floors 14-17 at the Tower on the Maumee (Fiberglass tower). 90 employees initially and up to 135 over time. Plan to be in by early 2018.

Another positive for doentown, but I'm starting to feel bad for arrowhead, my goodness have they lost a lot.

Meh, Maumee has been living high on the hog for about 25 years, mainly on the back of Arrowhead growth. Easy come, easy go. Besides, my guess is they wont have to wait to long to land another sugar daddy.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 24, 2017 at 11:39:55 am     #  

I wouldn't be as bullish if it wasn't for Promedica. They are so cash rich they will continue to buy and relocate people. Other business have and will follow. I don't care what your personal opinons are on Randy Oostra but he is very PRO Toledo.

Little promedica update from a good friend who works for Laibe and has been on job site for the last year:

Promedica has planned community concerts in the new "park" area for late June. They are really starting to push all the trades to pick up their pace.

Along with the Chop House in the old Key Bank, they have been told that they will be wiring for a new Barry Bagel location on the campus as well.

He had not heard about Panera, only Barry Bagel.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 24, 2017 at 11:42:03 am     #  

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