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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

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Funny, I'll take Fricker's wings over BW's any day. BW's are too small and the sauces are too sweet...

posted by SensorG on Mar 20, 2016 at 12:07:08 am     #  

I like the variety of rubs and sauces that BW3's has. I prefer Jed's chunks over Frickers or BW3's however.

My favorite place for wings downtown is the Durty Bird. I don't like that there are only three sauce choices and they are pretty expensive and served only as an appetizer not a meal choice, but they are very good.

posted by classylady on Mar 20, 2016 at 12:24:38 am     #  

Last night was crazy downtown-still had residual business from St Pattys day, plus, the Blarney 5k ( carb loading at spaghetti warehouse perhaps?). We tried to go to the durty bird at 6:30, over a 1hr wait. Good crowds everywhere.

posted by ahmahler on Mar 20, 2016 at 06:58:32 am     #  

:(

posted by endcycle on Mar 22, 2016 at 11:10:33 am     #  

I saw that note taped to the front door Saturday when I went to Bleakhouse for breakfast. When is their last day? I'd like to go before they close down for good, I haven't been there in years.

posted by jamesteroh on Mar 22, 2016 at 11:20:34 am     #  

Looks like he's already shut it down.

posted by upso on Mar 22, 2016 at 11:37:06 am     #  

jamesteroh posted at 11:20:34 AM on Mar 22, 2016:

I saw that note taped to the front door Saturday when I went to Bleakhouse for breakfast. When is their last day? I'd like to go before they close down for good, I haven't been there in years.

How's their weekend breakfast? Saw this morning that they serve waffles. Been going to the Black Kite breakfast on Saturdays myself (they have an awesome storytime thing for kids).

posted by endcycle on Mar 22, 2016 at 12:15:35 pm     #  

The waffles are amazing. They have a different flavor each Saturday and post the flavor on their facebook page. Just make sure to get there early because the waffles sell out fast, best waffles I ever had. They also have Wholey Toledo Doughnuts that are amazing (I know Black Kite has those also). The waffles are great with a pour over.

When I walked by Rayna's Saturday all the furniture was there and the menu taped to the window or door and no sign saying they were closed, that's why I thought they were still in business.

posted by jamesteroh on Mar 22, 2016 at 12:40:10 pm     #  

It appears that Theo's Mediterranean Greek-To-Go on Summit St has went from "Closed for the Holidays", to "Closed for the Season", to now "Closed forever", because a couple "For Sale" signs are planted in front of the property at 840 N. Summit Street.

Maddie & Bella is approaching it's one year anniversary for their "Opening soon" announcement. I'm not sure a year's worth of remodeling is possible with that amount of space...especially since they're reopening a similar business at the location.

If they've hired employees, I wonder how they feel when each new month arrives and they're again told, "We're opening soon!"

posted by 6th_Floor on Mar 27, 2016 at 03:58:43 am     #  

No surprise about Theo's.

I had hopes Maddie & Bella's would really be opening soon when I saw the sign was up over their door and they had photos of the espresso machine being hooked up on their Facebook page. They were advertising for help a couple months ago, so I'm sure all those people have found other jobs by now.

It appears that they have started some construction on the coffee and ice cream shop run by the non profit but doesn't look like a lot has been done, but maybe they'll beat Maddie & Bella's in opening.

The Potbelly's beside the PNC was to be open by opening day but I can tell that is not going to happen and was told by the security officer at the Ohio Building (Dave balls dad) that they are planning on being open by Memorial Day.

I was told by the bartender at Maritni and Nuzzi's that the Bourbon Room is having it's grand opening Thursday. She said it will be pretty nice and have pool tables. I'm glad to see M&N is doing well this time around, they have some good bands, the drinks are strong and reasonably priced and the food is really good. My boyfriend and I try to go there once a week for dinner, their steaks are awesome.

posted by classylady on Mar 27, 2016 at 10:02:05 am     #  

The Potbelly's beside the PNC was to be open by opening day but I can tell that is not going to happen and was told by the security officer at the Ohio Building (Dave balls dad) that they are planning on being open by Memorial Day.

If DT's current trend holds, they probably should plan for Memorial Day 2017.

posted by 6th_Floor on Mar 27, 2016 at 10:59:04 am     #  

That sucks about Theo's. That was some great food.

posted by JohnnyMac on Mar 27, 2016 at 11:46:34 am     #  

A ParkSmart employee was robbed Saturday afternoon near the Superior Garage, Toledo police reported.

The employee told police two people approached her at 334 N. Superior St., knocked her down, and took money from her safety vest before fleeing shortly before 6 p.m. The amount of money taken was not disclosed, and no injuries were reported.

Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2016/03/27/Toledo-parking-garage-employee-robbed-Saturday.html#y7X7kE34WfRDQPs8.99

posted by 6th_Floor on Mar 27, 2016 at 01:56:09 pm     #  

Daylight robberies are troubling for any area.

posted by 6th_Floor on Mar 27, 2016 at 02:01:25 pm     #  

JohnnyMac posted at 11:46:34 AM on Mar 27, 2016:

That sucks about Theo's. That was some great food.

the food WAS really good
but knowing the dynamic that is downtown, it was certainly on the wrong side of Cherry street for most folks.

posted by upso on Mar 27, 2016 at 02:26:46 pm     #  

Saw the Blade article.

Why no description of the perpetrators?

Looks like shoddy reporting when they leave that information out.

Just saying.

posted by shamrock44 on Mar 27, 2016 at 02:57:10 pm     #  

Well don't worry, the mayor felt it was best to fire one of the city's already few building inspectors. Nothing speeds things up like asking less people to do the job.

posted by Johio83 on Mar 27, 2016 at 05:39:54 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 05:39:54 PM on Mar 27, 2016:

Well don't worry, the mayor felt it was best to fire one of the city's already few building inspectors. Nothing speeds things up like asking less people to do the job.

Bummer. Any idea why?

posted by upso on Mar 27, 2016 at 06:43:46 pm     #  

http://m.toledoblade.com/Politics/2016/01/01/Mayor-dismisses-2-city-employees.html

Apparently slowing the process of getting businesses set up in town is the best way to balance a budget. Hey, our restaurant is struggling, better fire the cook!

The city is not easy to work with, but there are a few there who are truly helpful. He was one of them.

posted by Johio83 on Mar 27, 2016 at 06:52:39 pm     #  

Saw a sign for CLARO Coffee Bar at Adams and 18th. I'm curious about the "bar" portion of that. I've always thought it would make sense for coffee shops (open in the morning) and bars (open in the evenings) to just operate out of the same space. Maybe that's their plan here.

And 6th, it says "opening soon," so feel free to start judging them for taking too long to meet your demands.

posted by Johio83 on Mar 28, 2016 at 08:55:16 am     #  

Too bad about Theo's. Maybe they will find a new location. Summit Street north of the bridge is tough for any restaurant. Our high street converting to office towers years ago really cut off that stretch from the rest of downtown. New buildings downtown should have ground floor retail, especially parking garages. Even if it's just a Starbucks at least there would be a reason for people to walk there.

posted by mixman on Mar 28, 2016 at 12:33:58 pm     #  

Nine at Hensville has their soft grand opening today. Hoping to check it out tonight. If drink prices are reasonable will stay for a cocktail after, if not heading over to the Blarney or Fricker's for a drink.

St. Clair is closed once again between Monroe and Washington. Sidewalk is all torn up. I don't know how they'll have it repair in time for opening day or what they are doing

posted by classylady on Mar 30, 2016 at 04:54:41 pm     #  

The sidewalk is all part of the plan. They had a lot of temporary walks laid for much of the renovations, and had the mulch put in for their pre-opening-parties. These are the permanent walks (heavier duty), and will be all set to go by Opening Day.

posted by Johio83 on Mar 30, 2016 at 10:37:45 pm     #  

Johio83, is St. Clair going to be permanently closed or is this just temporary?

I think it will look great when it's finished, looked like the sidewalks were far from a week away from being completed when I walked past there on my way to the office this morning.

posted by classylady on Mar 30, 2016 at 11:02:55 pm     #  

Just temporary, though they'll have removable bollards that the can use to block off the street to make it pedestrian only for events

posted by Johio83 on Mar 31, 2016 at 06:19:04 am     #  

Less than two miles away, at Franklin Park Mall, a Dave & Buster's is getting ready for business. The restaurant with arcade-style games is separated from an Ulta store by additional retail space. Doors are expected to open in November.

http://www.wtol.com/story/31635717/new-developments-in-west-toledo-could-increase-home-value-in-neighborhoods

I forgot they had made the more intelligent decision to open in West Toledo instead of some of the DT rumors I had heard.

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 04, 2016 at 05:19:03 pm     #  

Actually took a brief tour of the new Hens space today on both sides of St. Clair.. sidewalks were being poured this afternoon.

posted by wahhutch9 on Apr 04, 2016 at 05:39:27 pm     #  

Surprising quote from that article:

"Two new locations will open soon - a Dave & Buster's and Whole Foods Market. The latter is expected to increase the value of homes in the community.

Toledo's first Whole Foods Market and shopping complex will open next spring on Secor at Executive Parkway. Zillow.com, a real estate site, states homes near specialty grocery stores have had reportedly higher value over the past 15 years. According to research, homes more than doubled in value in 2014that were within one mile of a specialty grocery store."

If this is true, it's good news! Although it might be a chicken-or-egg conundrum.

posted by viola on Apr 04, 2016 at 06:26:07 pm     #  

posted by justareviewer on Apr 04, 2016 at 06:37:47 pm     #   1 person liked this

Double in value hahahaha

If that is true my home and two rentals will be for sale next spring.

How does a journalist even allow themselves to post that type of "growth" without laughing.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Apr 04, 2016 at 06:49:36 pm     #  

Maddie and Bella is scheduling interviews for regular employees in late April. Looks like they're getting there finally.

posted by endcycle on Apr 06, 2016 at 02:51:01 pm     #  

Maddie and Bella was scheduling interviews a few months ago as well. Maybe they'll finally be open by 2017 Opening day

posted by classylady on Apr 06, 2016 at 03:38:22 pm     #  

Kobe Bay has shut down for a remodeling-their chef may have left as a result of their unannounced remodel. They are adding some big hibachi tables. Also, they may be taking down their Christmas Tree.

posted by ahmahler on Apr 06, 2016 at 04:20:53 pm     #  

Remodeling a restaurant that has already been remodeled less than a year after opening is... well... not a good sign.

posted by upso on Apr 06, 2016 at 08:39:56 pm     #  

To be fair, the hibachi grill install is something they said they were planning to do a few months ago. They said they hoped to have them in by summer. So, this seems to check out.

posted by Johio83 on Apr 06, 2016 at 08:58:38 pm     #  

Though I can also attest that I've been in there for lunch twice in the past couple weeks, and on both occasions, there was only one other table.

posted by Johio83 on Apr 06, 2016 at 09:00:00 pm     #  

No way I would eat animal products let alone raw animal products at a restaurant with turnover like that. Yikes.

posted by upso on Apr 06, 2016 at 09:26:41 pm     #  

Ottawa Tavern also has been closed for some remodeling and ownership changes.

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 07, 2016 at 01:11:54 pm     #  

Jim Avolt, if you're going to be around the 5/3 area today after 5, I'd enjoy hearing one of your patented Hensville rants in person, than 100 of them here at TT.

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 07, 2016 at 01:30:56 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 01:11:54 PM on Apr 07, 2016:

Ottawa Tavern also has been closed for some remodeling and ownership changes.

I've been told Tom the original owner still owns the building / bar. Innovation concerts will just be leasing the bar space and taking over the liquor license.

posted by upso on Apr 07, 2016 at 02:13:34 pm     #  

Sorry 6th, I'll be booing Hensville from afar today. Had some dental surgery earlier in the week and things haven't quite healed-up yet. Have fun.

posted by jimavolt on Apr 07, 2016 at 04:07:16 pm     #  

The Mud Hens opened the 2016 season with a 10-2 victory over Louisville before a crowd of 12,764 fans at Fifth Third Field today, which featured cold temperatures and a combination of rain, sleet, and snow.

If they moved the comma one space to the left, and dropped the 4, their number still would be around double the actual number of fans inside the stadium during any point of the game.

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 08, 2016 at 12:42:15 am     #   1 person liked this

Jim, it doesn't appear you missed much under the tent at Hensville Park.

http://www.bcsn.tv/news_article/show/634448

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 08, 2016 at 12:46:31 am     #  

Jim, have you checked out either of Hensville's rooftop viewing areas this weekend?

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 10, 2016 at 02:13:59 pm     #  

6th, no, I didn't make it downtown this weekend. I suppose I'll eventually check it out.

posted by jimavolt on Apr 11, 2016 at 10:06:20 am     #  

I walked by Maddie and Bella's tonight. They have a couple of amusing signs in the window now.

One says "when the #*## are these guys going to open"

and they have anothger sing that says "ok, maybe we are a little optimistic" and then has opening date and and then "4th of july, 2015, labor day, at least while it's still warm, thanksgiving and about five other days listed all with lines drawn through them and it it's they are working with the city to open ASAP.

I also noticed on the windows next door it lists some foundation and has Maddy and Bella's under it. It's been so long since I've been in Downtown lattee I honestly can't remember if those windows were part of the restaurant or not.

posted by classylady on Apr 11, 2016 at 11:55:57 pm     #  

Wasn't sure if anyone posted this -
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=517439711773491&id=385284594989004

posted by SensorG on Apr 13, 2016 at 04:23:00 pm     #  

Apparently serving good drinks and well-priced steak dinners weren't enough to salvage an awful location.

Another one bites the dust...Martini & Nuzzi's (Downtown) x 2.

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 13, 2016 at 04:37:47 pm     #  

That's quite a story.

posted by ahmahler on Apr 13, 2016 at 10:14:21 pm     #  

Every time I've wanted to go to Veritas they are either closed (Even though we are there during posted opening times) or there is no one in the bar and we just go elsewhere so I don't understand why they need unisex bathrooms, seems like there are never enough customers there for it to matter

posted by classylady on Apr 13, 2016 at 10:30:36 pm     #   1 person liked this

That's sad news about Martini and Nuzzi's. If the post is true about the landlord why did they spend all that money on the Bourbon Room???? I sure as hell wouldn't be putting any money into improvements in a business if I was having those issues with the landlord and I wouldn't have reopened until the issues were resolved.

That location is doomed though. The two big buildings near there (5/3rd and Spitzer) have been boarded up for a couple years as well as Charter One. Only thing in that block occupied is the LaSalle Apartments

posted by classylady on Apr 13, 2016 at 10:33:18 pm     #  

Sign taped to the door at M&N's reads: "You have been locked out due to default and your available remedies under this lease."

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 13, 2016 at 10:37:31 pm     #  

ahmahler posted at 10:14:21 PM on Apr 13, 2016:

That's quite a story.

Yeah it is. Having participated in the 2000 renovation of the building, I can't believe it got that bad. 16 years ago it was gutted and rebuilt from bank to bank. A lot of blood sweat and tears went into the renovations. It was really nice when we were done and ready to open Diva.

In fact, the building that was bought for less than $20,000 was sold for more than $250,000 at the bottom of the market around 5 years ago.

Apparently it's been a hard, hard 5 years of bad renters and bad owners.

posted by justread on Apr 14, 2016 at 06:05:40 am     #  

I see we now have a wedding chapel on Erie Street. It's only open weekdays a few hours a day (weekends by appointment). Doesn't seem like that would be something that would be in demand during the week downtown

posted by classylady on Apr 19, 2016 at 04:35:18 pm     #  

This is the latest update on M&B's facebook page. Unbelieveable they still don't have an opening date yet:
As many of you know, the process to open a business, let alone one in the food industry, takes time. We are working diligently on the 11th hour details. Rest assured we are sitting on GO, and pending final inspections we will have a date for you soon!

In other exciting news, not only we will be serving mind blowing coffees and espresso, we will also be opening up our Roastery and Coffee Lab right next door. You'll be able to experience the roasting process, attend regular cuppings and experiment with new and innovative brewing methods.

So, we know. It's been a while. But there is light at the end of the tunnel. Soon.

Sincerely,
The M&B Team

posted by classylady on Apr 19, 2016 at 05:25:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

That wedding business on Erie has been open for about a year.

M&B is a joke...along with the group of "coming soon" zombie businesses.

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 19, 2016 at 09:31:08 pm     #  

I'm sorry, 6th, did they owe you something? I didn't realize they, like every other business you run your mouth about, were indebted to you. How dare they not set their clocks to your say-so! It's a good thing we all have your coffee roaster to go enjoy in the mean time, huh? Thanks for the service you provide to the community in the stead of all of these slackers who stick their necks out and take their time to make sure it's done as well as it can be.

posted by Johio83 on Apr 20, 2016 at 09:03:16 am     #   11 people liked this

classylady posted at 04:35:18 PM on Apr 19, 2016:

I see we now have a wedding chapel on Erie Street. It's only open weekdays a few hours a day (weekends by appointment). Doesn't seem like that would be something that would be in demand during the week downtown

They pick up their marriage license during the week downtown.

posted by justread on Apr 20, 2016 at 09:36:04 am     #   1 person liked this

Johio, they owe me about as much as I owe you...nothing. So quit following me around this forum like an old barking poodle. You never fail to follow a post I make in this thread with the same nonsense. Every time a business fails to open timely or goes out of business you have the same response.

Meanwhile, it has been a couple months or longer since you mentioned an announcement was imminent from Hull & Associates regarding the property next to the ESM.

Is there any update other than "an announcement will be made very soon?"

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 20, 2016 at 10:34:52 am     #  

At least M&B is FINALLY keeping their customers posted. It's absurd it has been delayed this long but will be cool if they allow customers to see the roasting process. I'm hoping they have better hours than Downtown Latte and they continue use real glass and silverware for dine in orders like Downtown Latte. Something nice about having having my coffee in a real cup instead of paper.

David Ball's dad told me that the Potbelly space next to PNC ran into some problems with the City (seems like the city is a scapegoat for businesses downtown being delayed in opening) and are shooting for opening this summer (the space is being worked on) and that Sandy Spangg signed a lease recently and is planning on opening up Plate 21 by July 4 in the Ohio Building. Hopefully since there was already a coffee house in that space it won't take them long to remodel but the M&B was a coffee house and I think they've been closed for almost two years remodeling now.

posted by classylady on Apr 20, 2016 at 10:44:12 am     #  

Bleakhouse on Adam's uses real cups and dishes for dine in orders. Refills are also free if you dine in. I love going there for Saturday breakfast, best waffles in town.

posted by jamesteroh on Apr 20, 2016 at 12:10:59 pm     #  

Harold Ball always is willing to talk !!

posted by Hoops on Apr 20, 2016 at 12:20:07 pm     #   1 person liked this

They made their decision about a month and a half ago, they just haven't said anything publicly about it yet. March 3rd, to be exact.

posted by Johio83 on Apr 20, 2016 at 12:34:17 pm     #  

And 6th, seriously, how boring would this thread be without or playful banter?

posted by Johio83 on Apr 20, 2016 at 12:42:04 pm     #  

For those that like their suds...I heard that a small brewery is in the works for South Toledo. It's going to be in one of the small commercial spaces located at the Detroit / Byrne intersection (roughly where Hungry Howie's Pizza was located).

posted by Solleks on Apr 20, 2016 at 04:14:39 pm     #  

Solleks posted at 04:14:39 PM on Apr 20, 2016:

For those that like their suds...I heard that a small brewery is in the works for South Toledo. It's going to be in one of the small commercial spaces located at the Detroit / Byrne intersection (roughly where Hungry Howie's Pizza was located).

It will be a brewery and taproom.

http://earnestbrewworks.com

http://m.toledoblade.com/Peach-Weekender/2015/12/03/S-Toledoans-to-open-Earnest-Brew-Works.html

... 4342 S. Detroit Ave. by early summer.

EBW, which will be located at the southern end of Byrne Road near the Anthony Wayne Trail, will have a taproom that’s open three days a week — likely Thursday through Saturday.

The bar will feature 12 taps with a “good variety of beers,” Yarnell said.

Yarnell is the president of the Glass City Mashers homebrewing club, and taught a homebrewing course for beginners at Owens Community College Learning Center Maumee this fall. He has been brewing for more than 20 years. Snyder, also a member of the Mashers, has been brewing for about seven years.


Chris at Black Frog Brewery plans to open a taproom soon at
831 S McCord, Holland, OH.

http://www.blackfrogbrewery.com


The Black Cloister was a taproom, but last winter, it amended its license to be able to sell beer produced by other brewers and to sell other alcohol, such as bourbon and wine. The amended license also permits the Black Cloister to sell appetizer like foods, such as pretzel bites. I don't know what this license is called.

I think that a taproom license still means that the business can only sell the beer that it brews, and it cannot sell other types of alcohol, and it cannot sell its own food.


Last year, the Great Black Swamp Brewing Company made the Mucky Duck in Perrsyburg home for selling their beer.

http://m.toledoblade.com/Food/2015/10/15/GBS-Brewing-Co-to-launch-new-location-with-a-party.html

posted by jr on Apr 20, 2016 at 05:10:05 pm     #  

Chris's Cream of the Frog is a fantastic beer. I might have to say it's my favorite beer to come out of the Toledo area.

posted by Johio83 on Apr 20, 2016 at 05:19:17 pm     #   1 person liked this

so much beer, so little time....

posted by endcycle on Apr 21, 2016 at 03:24:48 pm     #  

Toledo Beer Week this week, it's been fun. Lots of great beers around for this week only...

posted by SensorG on Apr 21, 2016 at 03:54:20 pm     #  

Scott Yarnell's brewery could be successful even if he was just selling to his friends. His beer is AWESOME, and I am no connoisseur, but wow, it's tasty.

posted by Anniecski on Apr 21, 2016 at 03:54:45 pm     #  

Yesterday I saw that a few goats have returned to the house on Collingwood.

:)

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 22, 2016 at 09:39:40 am     #   4 people liked this

Oh that's good to hear! I was told they were moving / selling the house. Wonder if that's changed... ✌️

posted by upso on Apr 22, 2016 at 10:42:11 am     #  

Yea, I heard they were moving back to Calif last fall. Would hate to see the goats go. Love that fresh milk, especially in coffee.

posted by decent28 on Apr 25, 2016 at 05:39:53 pm     #  

I realize baseball attendance lags in April, but after opening day and weekend were disastrously bad, I expected some pent-up-interest for Hens games. Especially with all the Hensville hoopla.

Anything but that has happened and last night I really doubt there were more than 200 fans at the game. It appeared that a majority of the sections were completely empty. It'll take many capacity crowds to bump the average attendance per game.

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 28, 2016 at 08:26:47 am     #  

6th_Floor posted at 08:26:47 AM on Apr 28, 2016:

I realize baseball attendance lags in April, but after opening day and weekend were disastrously bad, I expected some pent-up-interest for Hens games. Especially with all the Hensville hoopla.

Anything but that has happened and last night I really doubt there were more than 200 fans at the game. It appeared that a majority of the sections were completely empty. It'll take many capacity crowds to bump the average attendance per game.

It's been pretty chilly and windy - I seem to remember last year had better weather around opening day.

posted by endcycle on Apr 28, 2016 at 08:52:31 am     #  

Weather: 53 degrees, partly cloudy.
Wind: 11 mph, In from RF.
First pitch: 6:35 PM.
T: 2:49.
Att: 3,688.
Venue: Fifth Third Field.
April 27, 2016

As I suggested for the opening day attendance lie of 12,764.

Drop the last digit from the 3,688 lie, then use half the remaining # of 368 and that's about what was in the stands last night.

184 was last night's actual attendance.

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 28, 2016 at 09:08:54 am     #  

Maybe tracking the attendance is outsourced from a publishing company's circulation department.

posted by justread on Apr 28, 2016 at 09:41:43 am     #   1 person liked this

Attendance can be tracked two ways turnstile clicks at the gate or ticket sales.

I thinking is safe to say they use ticket sales, so all the season ticket holders counted even sitting on their warm couches at home.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Apr 28, 2016 at 09:55:00 am     #   2 people liked this

Yeah, I was at the game Monday night, and it was nearly empty in the stadium. And it was the most beautiful day of the year, so there was no weather excuse.

posted by Johio83 on Apr 28, 2016 at 10:46:45 am     #  

The Walleye games have been no better. We went to the Tuesday walleye game and seeing this was a big game you would have thought Huntington would have been sold out. Plenty of empty seats and seeing it's inside the weather wasn't an excuse

posted by classylady on Apr 28, 2016 at 12:23:13 pm     #  

First round playoff games are usually not as full. There was only a 2 day notice to sell tickets to the last Walleye game. Check out this chart from echl.com for the 2016 playoff attendance.

Attendance Report
Team Yesterday Total Games Average
Toledo 0 22,834 4 5,709
Fort Wayne 5,717 20,858 4 5,215
Missouri 0 9,568 2 4,784
Allen 5,037 19,034 4 4,759
Colorado 0 12,907 3 4,302
Utah 0 11,906 3 3,969
Manchester 0 11,058 3 3,686
South Carolina 0 6,633 2 3,317
Idaho 0 8,924 3 2,975
Florida 0 8,694 3 2,898
Reading 0 7,742 3 2,581
Quad City 0 5,134 2 2,567
Adirondack 0 4,631 2 2,316
Wheeling 0 5,769 3 1,923
Cincinnati 0 5,132 3 1,711
Kalamazoo 0 3,033 3 1,011
League 10,754 163,857 47 3,486

posted by kam19 on Apr 28, 2016 at 01:38:52 pm     #   1 person liked this

I've been shaking my head having to listen to channel 11 news reporting live from these Walleye road game viewing "events" at Fleetwoods as if they are a big deal because a few dozen people show up. As CL mentioned, Walleye live home games are marginally attended.

I've seen at least a couple off-duty law enforcement standing outside Fleetwood's entrance on weekends and during the Walleye road game parties. That's adding to Lucas County's already multi-million waste aka hensville.

Usually TB online won't include photos of the empty sections from Hens games, i.e. yesterday's game, but photos from Tuesday's game clearly proves that hardly anybody was at the game. Attendance has been the same for all the weekday games and as mentioned by Johio, favorable weather hasn't helped put fans in the seats.

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 28, 2016 at 02:42:19 pm     #  

Huntington Center was fairly full last night for the Barry Manilow concert, although I did hear that a lot of those tickets were giveaways.

As an aside, is it just me, or has parking for events gotten outrageous? $15 seems a bit steep for Toledo.

Spare me the diatribe about other cities. I used to regularly pay $50 a day when I went to Chicago when I was single and had money. I get it; we're still cheaper.

But didn't we used to be WAY cheaper?

posted by Anniecski on Apr 28, 2016 at 02:44:26 pm     #  

Good for us if we can get $15 a spot downtown. The market will decide what it can bear. As long as people are willing to pay for the $15 spots, people will charge $15. If people start avoiding them to go a block out and pay $7, then the $15 will come down. Rising parking rates are a good sign of rising economic health.

posted by Johio83 on Apr 28, 2016 at 02:53:52 pm     #  

I saw a few lots charging $20 yesterday. Obviously the market will bear $15-20 for concerts.

It's another example of "Be careful what you wish for." I certainly don't want Chicago prices here because Toledo's affordability is one of its best attributes.

Unless they're unaware that the meters are free after 5pm, nobody attending a weekday Hens game should be paying for parking when there isn't a simultaneous Huntington event.

posted by 6th_Floor on Apr 28, 2016 at 02:54:13 pm     #  

"But didn't we used to be WAY cheaper?"

Still is. Just park a few blocks further away, and it's FREE.

But that requires the 'W' word: walking.

posted by jr on Apr 28, 2016 at 03:31:30 pm     #   4 people liked this

I spoke with a Mud Hens representative last week. He informed me that many season ticket holders have traded in their April tickets for the May and later dates (myself included). That would help explain the low numbers this month.

posted by Brewster on Apr 28, 2016 at 03:34:56 pm     #   2 people liked this

6th_Floor posted at 02:42:19 PM on Apr 28, 2016:

I've been shaking my head having to listen to channel 11 news reporting live from these Walleye road game viewing "events" at Fleetwoods as if they are a big deal because a few dozen people show up. As CL mentioned, Walleye live home games are marginally attended.

I've seen at least a couple off-duty law enforcement standing outside Fleetwood's entrance on weekends and during the Walleye road game parties. That's adding to Lucas County's already multi-million waste aka hensville.

Usually TB online won't include photos of the empty sections from Hens games, i.e. yesterday's game, but photos from Tuesday's game clearly proves that hardly anybody was at the game. Attendance has been the same for all the weekday games and as mentioned by Johio, favorable weather hasn't helped put fans in the seats.

Police security is a tremendous tool to for bars to keep potential problems at bay, but it's justifiably expensive.

An entity with no concern about the bottom line can afford to have the best security money can buy, whether it's needed or not.

Have there been fights and skirmishes at H'ville?

posted by jimavolt on Apr 28, 2016 at 03:52:16 pm     #  

Announced attendance for Tuesday's game 7 was just over 6,000. Yeah, there were empty seats but I think it was pretty close to the actual butts in seats. That almost doubled the attendance from last year's first round game 7.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Apr 28, 2016 at 04:17:31 pm     #  

Why pay for parking downtown? Uber will pick you up at your door and drop you off at the door of Huntington Center/ Fifth Third, or anyway....and for pickups throughout most of Toledo, its less than $15. And you dont have to drive or walk the mean streets of Ttown.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Apr 29, 2016 at 01:08:32 pm     #  

I guess $4 doughnuts haven't been enough...now Holey Toledoughnuts has started a gofundme effort to raise 20k for a storefront location of their own.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 01, 2016 at 04:53:55 pm     #  

That's a pretty common thing these days... businesses looking to "kickstart" what they are doing, using things like kickstarter and gofundme. Some businesses also take out small biz loans etc. Hope it works out for them! The doughnuts are great.

posted by upso on May 01, 2016 at 05:06:30 pm     #   3 people liked this

link to campaign: https://www.gofundme.com/27zwume4

posted by upso on May 01, 2016 at 06:26:12 pm     #  

upso posted at 05:06:30 PM on May 01, 2016:

That's a pretty common thing these days... businesses looking to "kickstart" what they are doing, using things like kickstarter and gofundme. Some businesses also take out small biz loans etc. Hope it works out for them! The doughnuts are great.

I don't know man... I'm usually lock-step with you on restaurant issues... but I see it as a negative sign. Like when Tom and Chee did it.
But I do understand why people use kickstart and gofundme.
Because small business loans are a mythical creature invented to get small business owners into a bank so they can extend their personal credit. :)

posted by justread on May 02, 2016 at 05:44:11 am     #   1 person liked this

Correcto justread. After the meltdown of '08 was in a position to see startups across a wide variety of businesses where the parent, sometimes the grandparent, provided the equity strength using pensions, annuities and their life work savings to aid an offspring get their feet on the ground. An emotional decision that it's only money and they loved their children and you can't take it with you anyway. Wanted to weep watching all the initial whoopla go into the effort knowing full well in six months it would all be gone. Poof! The vultures don't give a damn what damage they perpetuate. They get their pound of flesh on the frontside. Not meant to be a redirect of the thread since biting the dust is the post. All those flashy financial institutions spend a great deal of effort targeting assets and smoothly figuring out how to pull that money from your pocket into theirs.

posted by Mariner on May 02, 2016 at 08:07:50 am     #  

I wish Holey Toledoughnuts would state where the store front will be.

The smart move would be to ask for investors. I'm sure they could get ten investors to front $2,000 each for a small loan or investment in the company.

I love Holey Toledo and they have a great product but I'm sure not going to just give a for profit company a handout without anything in return.

posted by classylady on May 02, 2016 at 11:20:33 am     #  

I don't see this ending well. I tried a selection of their doughnuts last summer, and not a one of them was worth what they cost, to me. YMMV, of course.

It seems to me that their current setup (supplying existing storefronts with wares) is probably the smartest way to go.

Of course, maybe I just don't have a fully developed appreciation for artisan doughnuts.

posted by gamegrrl on May 02, 2016 at 11:38:54 am     #  

justread posted at 05:44:11 AM on May 02, 2016:
upso posted at 05:06:30 PM on May 01, 2016:

That's a pretty common thing these days... businesses looking to "kickstart" what they are doing, using things like kickstarter and gofundme. Some businesses also take out small biz loans etc. Hope it works out for them! The doughnuts are great.

I don't know man... I'm usually lock-step with you on restaurant issues... but I see it as a negative sign. Like when Tom and Chee did it.
But I do understand why people use kickstart and gofundme.

Because small business loans are a mythical creature invented to get small business owners into a bank so they can extend their personal credit. :)

it really depends on the case
some businesses do a kickstarter even when already 100% funded, just for the press it can bring.

I have zero visibility into the doughnut business in Toledo but the difference between this guy and the Tom and Chee example is he has already established himself in the Toledo market while Tom and Chee was completely unproven.

Regardless, we'll have to wait and see! :)p

posted by upso on May 02, 2016 at 01:12:51 pm     #  

upso posted at 01:12:51 PM on May 02, 2016:
justread posted at 05:44:11 AM on May 02, 2016:
upso posted at 05:06:30 PM on May 01, 2016:

That's a pretty common thing these days... businesses looking to "kickstart" what they are doing, using things like kickstarter and gofundme. Some businesses also take out small biz loans etc. Hope it works out for them! The doughnuts are great.

I don't know man... I'm usually lock-step with you on restaurant issues... but I see it as a negative sign. Like when Tom and Chee did it.
But I do understand why people use kickstart and gofundme.


Because small business loans are a mythical creature invented to get small business owners into a bank so they can extend their personal credit. :)

it really depends on the case
some businesses do a kickstarter even when already 100% funded, just for the press it can bring.

I have zero visibility into the doughnut business in Toledo but the difference between this guy and the Tom and Chee example is he has already established himself in the Toledo market while Tom and Chee was completely unproven.

Regardless, we'll have to wait and see! :)p

I didn't mean to directly compare Tom and Chee and this guy, other to say it is what comes to mind when I hear about kickstarters. But you make a good point about the concept being somewhat proven in some form.

I hope they do well. I am not their competitor. :)

posted by justread on May 02, 2016 at 01:50:18 pm     #  

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