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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

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I am honestly shocked they are charging for bands no one has heard of.

I was in Nashville about 2 weeks ago. Broadway, 2nd avenue, etc. had to have 25-30 live bands, most being free or a 5 dollar cover charge every night.

What the hell is hensville doing charging 12 bucks for 3 brothers out of Pennsylvania.

I was an advocate for hensville but this is a sham.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Jun 01, 2016 at 10:29:40 pm     #  

Speaking of 3 brothers, 12 bucks would be too much for Hanson also.

posted by justread on Jun 02, 2016 at 07:52:34 am     #  

Xbuckeyex posted at 10:29:40 PM on Jun 01, 2016:

I am honestly shocked they are charging for bands no one has heard of.

I was in Nashville about 2 weeks ago. Broadway, 2nd avenue, etc. had to have 25-30 live bands, most being free or a 5 dollar cover charge every night.

What the hell is hensville doing charging 12 bucks for 3 brothers out of Pennsylvania.

I was an advocate for hensville but this is a sham.

Nashville is different - the music scene there is insane. Might be the single most talented and saturated city in the country, in fact. You can't go ANYWHERE without hearing world-class talent in any genre. I have a friend who moved down there to be a drummer full time, and he makes a pretty decent living playing places without cover charges - because that's the model that works in Nashville.

Also, this:
"The band members are accomplished musicians and songwriters who are on their way to leaving a lasting impression in Country Music. Their hit single, ‘Countrified’, has spent multiple weeks in the Top 40. ‘Countrified’ has also been featured as the theme song for the 2016 NHL All-Star Game. It was also featured on the hit show, Nashville, on April 13."

I'm not a country guy or anything, but that sounds like a slightly bigger deal than 3 random brothers from PA. They're a touring act, not a local band.

posted by endcycle on Jun 02, 2016 at 09:57:00 am     #  

Well I listen to a lot of music, including country and never heard of them or their song.

Just went to youtube to see if I recognized it: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+stickers+countrified

There is one video with 14 views of that song (unless I'm missing something). And a few other videos all with only a few thousand views.

I can tell you, a top 40 song from a real act has millions and millions of views on youtube.

There are thousands of touring acts, most aren't good. Bar 145 brings in touring acts monthly. I still consider this band just 3 guys. And the 50-75 people that show up will confirm.

Not trying to be negative about the band, but this is a publically paid for park and charging for bands that very few people know is ridiculous. This park as I understood it was sold as an open area for the public to enjoy - I am not seeing that so far.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Jun 02, 2016 at 11:08:05 am     #  

Well I listen to a lot of music, including country and never heard of them or their song.

Just went to youtube to see if I recognized it: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+stickers+countrified

There is one video with 14 views of that song (unless I'm missing something). And a few other videos all with only a few thousand views.

I can tell you, a top 40 song from a real act has millions and millions of views on youtube.

There are thousands of touring acts, most aren't good. Bar 145 brings in touring acts monthly. I still consider this band just 3 guys. And the 50-75 people that show up will confirm.

Not trying to be negative about the band, but this is a publically paid for park and charging for bands that very few people know is ridiculous. This park as I understood it was sold as an open area for the public to enjoy - I am not seeing that so far.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Jun 02, 2016 at 11:08:06 am     #  

Not trying to be negative about the band, but this is a publically paid for park and charging for bands that very few people know is ridiculous.

I get that, completely. But I also know that someone has to pay the band, the guys who set up the stage, the electricians, and the folks who clean up after.

That said, these concerts are too expensive. Would they rather have 100 people at $12, or 300 people at $5?

posted by Anniecski on Jun 02, 2016 at 11:51:13 am     #  

The way that local bars (bar 145, several bars on Adams St.,
Blarney, etc.) pay for these bands is by alcohol and food sales at their establishment.

Fleetwood is connected to Hensville Park. If you do it right, you would more than make up for the set-up with the food and alcohol sales just like the other bars do.

And if you wanted to do a "cover" do the 5 bucks like you suggested. You would have a lot more people and those people would spend money on the booze and food to compensate for the few bucks you "lost" bringing the band to the venue.

Nothing is worse for the establishment or the band than a few lonely bodies standing on astro-turf in the middle of a football field looking park.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Jun 02, 2016 at 12:17:43 pm     #  

Xbuckeyex posted at 11:08:06 AM on Jun 02, 2016:

Well I listen to a lot of music, including country and never heard of them or their song.

Just went to youtube to see if I recognized it: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+stickers+countrified

There is one video with 14 views of that song (unless I'm missing something). And a few other videos all with only a few thousand views.

I can tell you, a top 40 song from a real act has millions and millions of views on youtube.

There are thousands of touring acts, most aren't good. Bar 145 brings in touring acts monthly. I still consider this band just 3 guys. And the 50-75 people that show up will confirm.

Not trying to be negative about the band, but this is a publically paid for park and charging for bands that very few people know is ridiculous. This park as I understood it was sold as an open area for the public to enjoy - I am not seeing that so far.

Huh. According to their site from 4/11:

http://www.thestickers.com/

'Countrified' in the Top 40 two weeks in a row!
Apr 11, 2016
‘Countrified’ is being played on over 130 country radio stations across the US including Major Market Stations, Secondary stations and Tertiary stations. The single is also being played on stations overseas.

posted by endcycle on Jun 02, 2016 at 01:22:37 pm     #  

Sooooo....

Maddie and Bella soft-opened today. Wife and I took the baby there for the friends and family opening Friday night, and I stopped by for a cup this morning on my way into work.

THE LINES WERE OUT THE DOOR.

(I'm kidding. they weren't. Soft open. ;)

They did a great job with the interior. Great updates. The equipment they're using is all top-notch. They're VERY serious about the coffee they're brewing. I love that. The quality of the pourover I'm drinking right now (sip) is... well, damned fine.

Downside: It's not the fastest. They don't brew batches - the coffee is brewed for you, a cup at a time. That means for a proper pourover, you're gonna get it at the earliest 4-5 minutes after ordering. They can make a coffee other ways - americano, aeropress, etc, but if you want possibly the best cuppa you're going to have? I'd recommend at least once that you should get a pourover.

Overall, very impressed and excited that they're open. Bleakhouse finally has competition for "best cup in toledo" in my book which is awesome. The more great coffee I can get, the happier I am. Hopefully they last - I figure if Downtown Latte could survive all those years of relative mismanagement, they should be okay. The one concern I have is that speed of service, really. That might be a problem for people on their way into work.

posted by endcycle on Jun 06, 2016 at 08:27:20 am     #  

Saw in TCP that M&B finally was having a soft opening today...14 months is faster than never. Thanks for posting because you saved me a trip to confirm.

Awful weekend for Hens. Double-header rained out Saturday and yesterday's double-header looked at best to be lightly attended...another wasted fireworks display for less than 1,000 people.

Is the open-container entertainment district on Adams going to happen this year? After receiving a great amount of press coverage last year, I haven't heard anything lately except that city council did give approval.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 06, 2016 at 12:07:21 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 12:07:21 PM on Jun 06, 2016:

Saw in TCP that M&B finally was having a soft opening today...14 months is faster than never. Thanks for posting because you saved me a trip to confirm.

Awful weekend for Hens. Double-header rained out Saturday and yesterday's double-header looked at best to be lightly attended...another wasted fireworks display for less than 1,000 people.

Is the open-container entertainment district on Adams going to happen this year? After receiving a great amount of press coverage last year, I haven't heard anything lately except that city council did give approval.

You really should go get a cup. It's pretty good. I feel badly that my post deprived you of your much-needed-creepy-window-peering moment. :(

posted by endcycle on Jun 06, 2016 at 12:27:29 pm     #   6 people liked this

I've never really understood why they do firework shows on Sunday nights. For a Fri/Sat/Sun series, they did fireworks on Sat/Sun. Why not Fri/Sat?

As for the open container issue, take this with a massive grain of salt, because this is such a vague/foggy memory for me, but I think they were waiting until TSA finished out their year before getting it going.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 06, 2016 at 12:38:19 pm     #  

Don't worry EC, I'll still do my daily DT drive around, but you have saved me a couple turns today.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 06, 2016 at 12:53:11 pm     #  

I believe the open container thing is in full effect. There are official signs installed all up and down Adam's street.

As for weekend events, even with the rain we had an insanely good turnout at the Old West End festival this weekend.

posted by upso on Jun 06, 2016 at 02:40:41 pm     #  

Yeah, we came very early on Sunday, and the crowds even then were great. Saw some cool stuff, at a funnel cake and a gyro, discovered some houses we love are for sale, and began seriously considering the move.

Spent some time in the museum drying off from a sudden downpour, too. :)

posted by endcycle on Jun 06, 2016 at 03:03:35 pm     #  

Attendance seemed average to me early yesterday afternoon @ OWE.

My gf and I were disappointed to see that Reverend Culp's former house on Scottwood was a total disaster inside. Listed price of 99k will draw some lookers for sure, but after stepping inside they'll quickly realize it's going to require a ton of money to whip that dump into shape.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 06, 2016 at 03:22:33 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 03:22:33 PM on Jun 06, 2016:

Attendance seemed average to me early yesterday afternoon @ OWE.

My gf and I were disappointed to see that Reverend Culp's former house on Scottwood was a total disaster inside. Listed price of 99k will draw some lookers for sure, but after stepping inside they'll quickly realize it's going to require a ton of money to whip that dump into shape.

Wife and I looked in - we thought about the same as you on that one. Cosmetically alone, you basically need to rebuild every room from floor to ceiling. New windows will be required... the realtor site says they redid the wiring, but it looked terrible to me. Plumbing all looked like it was there.

The house has good bones, and is an interesting place... but yeah, this one's a labor of love. 100k is way, way high.

posted by endcycle on Jun 06, 2016 at 03:26:07 pm     #  

Xbuckeyex posted at 11:08:05 AM on Jun 02, 2016:

Well I listen to a lot of music, including country and never heard of them or their song.

Just went to youtube to see if I recognized it: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+stickers+countrified

There is one video with 14 views of that song (unless I'm missing something). And a few other videos all with only a few thousand views.

I can tell you, a top 40 song from a real act has millions and millions of views on youtube.

There are thousands of touring acts, most aren't good. Bar 145 brings in touring acts monthly. I still consider this band just 3 guys. And the 50-75 people that show up will confirm.

Not trying to be negative about the band, but this is a publically paid for park and charging for bands that very few people know is ridiculous. This park as I understood it was sold as an open area for the public to enjoy - I am not seeing that so far.

I missed this one initially...14 YouTube views = LOOOL

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 06, 2016 at 03:33:09 pm     #  

Checked Maddie and Bella out tonight.

Looks nice inside. They didn't have any cold brew tonight and I didn't see any frozen drinks on their menu. I decided to go with an iced pour over instead and there were two coffee blends to choose from and I have to say it's the best pourover I've ever had. They also had a container of prebrewed coffee and one of Decaf.

They didn't have much in the way of food but hopefully that will change.

Their hours are really good. Open till 7 during the week, open Saturday until 2 and open on sundays until noon. It will be nice to have a place to go for coffee before or after church on Sunday

posted by jamesteroh on Jun 06, 2016 at 06:38:51 pm     #  

Oh cool. They didn't have the prebrewed when I hit this morning, or maybe I didn't see it.

posted by endcycle on Jun 06, 2016 at 07:38:24 pm     #  

The prebrewed was off to the side where they had the cream and the sugar packs at. Something I didn't like was that I had to ask for sweetner (they only had sugar in the raw). They also had sugar in a liquid form.

The staff was great but they weren't that fast, if they get a starbucks/biggby type crowd first thing in the morning they need to speed things up. I love pour overs but if I'm in a coffee house on a break or my way to work I don't have the time to spare and want prebrewed

posted by jamesteroh on Jun 06, 2016 at 09:04:33 pm     #  

upso posted at 02:40:41 PM on Jun 06, 2016:

I believe the open container thing is in full effect. There are official signs installed all up and down Adam's street.

As for weekend events, even with the rain we had an insanely good turnout at the Old West End festival this weekend.

I'm on Adams daily, including 3x today and I still haven't seen one of these signs you've mentioned.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 06, 2016 at 11:00:33 pm     #  

They've been up for a while. Little brown signs with white lettering, (the scheme used for "recreation and cultural interest" on road signs). Mostly found on light poles and the like. Not really something you'd see if you weren't walking on the sidewalk.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 06, 2016 at 11:07:17 pm     #  

^
Though, given 6thFloor's keen eye and history "observing" downtown, I'm surprised he's missed the signs.

posted by wahhutch9 on Jun 06, 2016 at 11:21:09 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 11:07:17 PM on Jun 06, 2016:

They've been up for a while. Little brown signs with white lettering, (the scheme used for "recreation and cultural interest" on road signs). Mostly found on light poles and the like. Not really something you'd see if you weren't walking on the sidewalk.

Yeah... I mean... I noticed them on my own. In my car. Driving through uptown over the past week.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

posted by upso on Jun 06, 2016 at 11:33:24 pm     #  

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 06, 2016 at 11:39:51 pm     #  

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My gf and I were disappointed to see that Reverend Culp's former house on Scottwood was a total disaster inside. Listed price of 99k will draw some lookers for sure, but after stepping inside they'll quickly realize it's going to require a ton of money to whip that dump into shape.
! posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 06, 2016
I'm not sure why anyone would have been disappointed, unless they had been in that house at least 10 years ago when it may or may not have been in good shape.

Having never been in it, I was actually very pleasantly surprised. I have walked by it many a time, including when I presumed there were squatters inside, back in 2013 leading up to the big shootout.

I had assumed that it would be dark and ugly inside, similar to the exterior. But that LR of roughly 30×18 is pretty bright and large, and the main staircase is impressive, though I hate to think what it would cost to repair the stained glass on the landing.

Yes, the asking price is high, given the amount of work that will be involved, but in the end the price will come down, and I hope that somebody worthy picks it up.

By the way, a lot of people, especially professional realtors and bankers, thought the George Mills house next door needed too much work as well. But it was on the the house tour last weekend.

posted by Bandito on Jun 06, 2016 at 11:44:29 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 11:39:51 PM on Jun 06, 2016:

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Recently, I finally realized what this symbol reminded me of.

Michael Jordan's shrug in the NBA finals.

Game 1 of the Finals will forever be associated with The Shrug – Michael Jordan’s gesture following a relentless 35-point first half offensive onslaught in 1992.

The trigger for The Shrug was Jordan’s sixth three-point field goal just prior to halftime. As he made his way up the floor, Jordan turned to the crowd/announcers’ table, shook his head, raised his palms and shrugged his shoulders.

posted by jr on Jun 06, 2016 at 11:49:21 pm     #  

Bandito, I've walked through many older homes "needing work" in Toledo and elsewhere. Reverend Culp's former house is a dump.

However, somebody eventually will buy it...maybe you will and frankly I don't care because I realized a long time ago that often times one man's garbage is another man's gold.

Good luck with an implied Jordan Shrug.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 07, 2016 at 01:25:56 am     #   3 people liked this

I will say that I agree with Bandito overall - the place IS rehabbable, and for someone with the cash, time, and love? It could be stunning. The actual building itself is very well laid out, has interesting features, and that stairway... wow. I'd absolutely love to see what could happen with the right person for that place.

For the average person that's not super into rehabbing houses, fuck no.

posted by endcycle on Jun 07, 2016 at 08:43:10 am     #  

I haven't seen the particular house being mentioned, but I think a lot of old houses/buildings that seem to fit this bill are pretty comparable to classic cars. It doesn't usually make financial sense to restore a 75 year old car, but the owner doesn't care. He isn't doing it because he needs a vehicle to get him from Point A to Point B, he's doing it because he wants that car. And some people just want to live in that house, and don't care if it'll take more time, money, or effort than just moving into a new construction home.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 07, 2016 at 09:09:03 am     #   1 person liked this

I actually think it could make financial sense to restore that home. OWE houses are in high demand, and one that size properly restored could be worth much more than the selling price.

Of course, 99k might be higher than I'd ask for that property in particular given the sheer amount of work needed.

posted by endcycle on Jun 07, 2016 at 10:19:52 am     #  

I went to M&B yesterday and enjoyed it. I know that Bleakhouse uses M&B coffee, but the pour over at M&B was better than any I've had at Bleakhouse.

I hope they bring back the outdoor chairs Downtown Lattee had. I'm also hoping they add Frappee's or some form of frozen drink.

And there is a place to lock up bikes next door:)

They are going to carry All Crumbs bake goods and it will be nice to have a place to walk or bike to on Sunday mornings for a coffee and pastry.

My only complaint is they use plastic/paper. When I'm dining in there is just something about having real ceramic/glass instead of disposable tableware.

posted by classylady on Jun 07, 2016 at 10:23:05 am     #  

Classy ladies are like that.

posted by justread on Jun 07, 2016 at 10:24:28 am     #  

Something else to take into account in the OWE is that utilities can be sky high.

I love the charm of the OWE. There is no way those houses could be duplicated today and the history on some of the houses is fascinating. I like how all the neighbors seem to know each other, I live in a loft downtown and only know a couple of my neighbors names and my boyfriend lives in the Southwest Toledo/Holland area and it has been the same in all the places we have lived at in Toledo, we don't know the neighbors, The OWE reminds me of a small town, it seems like neighbors know each other.

The main reasons I chose not to live in the OWE over downtown was that I couldn't find a place with enclosed parking and the utilities and lack of central air in most of the places that were for sale that didn't require extensive renovations.

posted by classylady on Jun 07, 2016 at 10:26:56 am     #  

Johio you are correct. Hopefully the person who eventually buys the Rev Culp house is somebody with money wanting their very own special house...the house is special for sure. Because if they're buying it as an investment, their high equity point will be at the closing table as a buyer, not a seller.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 07, 2016 at 11:57:48 am     #  

I'm not sure why you think the utilities would be sky high. Unless you're talking about one of the giant mansions, utilities are pretty much in sync with similar sized homes throughout the city.

My house's utilities are actually a bit less than my 13 year old condo in Chicago I recently moved out of. Sure we don't have central air in our home but a couple of window units does the trick.

As for that 99k house that needs lots of work, Johio is right. These homes are projects for most folks. As it says on the neighborhood website, "We came for the homes... and stayed for the people." It really is a special place.

On the flip side of the 99k, a much smaller house behind us just sold for 120k. Seems like value of the OWE is starting to turn around after a number of very very bad years. Heck, there are still homes available for less than 20k.

posted by upso on Jun 07, 2016 at 12:05:55 pm     #  

Also, popped into M&B today. Holy smokes their cold brew (on tap) is strong as hell. Grabbed a chocolate croissant as well. 👌

posted by upso on Jun 07, 2016 at 12:07:08 pm     #  

The owe isn't unique with people knowing their neighbors in Toledo. I've lived in Toledo most of my life, in a few different parts of the city, and I've always known my neighbors very well.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 07, 2016 at 12:21:44 pm     #  

The owe isn't unique with people knowing their neighbors in Toledo. I've lived in Toledo most of my life, in a few different parts of the city, and I've always known my neighbors very well.

6th, driving by and looking in their windows doesn't count! ;)

posted by valbee on Jun 07, 2016 at 12:49:23 pm     #   2 people liked this

LOL Valbee window peeking is reserved for my DT and WHD drive around tours.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 07, 2016 at 01:20:33 pm     #   1 person liked this

It appears that Mac & Tongs on Central Avenue bit the dust a week or so ago.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 07, 2016 at 01:39:13 pm     #  

Upso if you weren't living in Chicago this place might have survived another few months.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 07, 2016 at 01:42:28 pm     #  

The landlord was unrelenting, and Mr. Rafati is not getting any younger. Great run. Thanks to Mac and Tong for many wonderful "old school" meals. Not sure I'd put this one in the regular "death by Toledo-another failure" group.

More like the "now is as good a time as any" group.

posted by justread on Jun 07, 2016 at 01:53:01 pm     #   1 person liked this

One great run ends and hopefully another one begins elsewhere.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 07, 2016 at 01:55:51 pm     #  

For the record, currently living in Toledo. ;) But I agree, it was a great run. They've retired once before... Hard to imagine Tong not going stir crazy (pun intended) at some point!

posted by upso on Jun 07, 2016 at 01:58:42 pm     #  

Restaurants don't seem to commonly be passed on in a line of succession like most other businesses are. It seems to be a pretty natural course in the restaurant life cycle that the owner hits that golden retirement age, and the plug gets pulled, rather than a new owner stepping in.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 07, 2016 at 02:03:03 pm     #  

Crap. I never got to go there. It was always on the list, but never quite got to the top. Ah well. :(

posted by endcycle on Jun 07, 2016 at 02:47:27 pm     #  

Allegedly, the alleged story occurred late Friday night/early Saturday morning of last weekend. It's hard to tell from the way the story was written.

Police say the call came in around 2:30 AM.

2:30 a.m. when? The story was posted on Saturday, June 4. I assume that the 2:30 referred to Saturday morning.

... they were walking near the Spaghetti Warehouse about a block away when they were approached by three black men with what they called, machetes. The women ran to Fricker's for help. And the woman told them that her husband ran after the three men.

From the story, I assume that one unarmed man chased three men who carried machetes. Umkay.

I have no idea what this part of the story is trying to say. This is allegedly a quote from "Battalion Chief Bryce Blair" who said:

"It is this time of year. and some very unfortunate circumstances."

What? According to the punctuation, that was two alleged sentences, despite the lack of capitalization.

More from Blair's alleged quote. I'm thinking that Blair is some kind of poet who speaks in lowercase letters.

"Some of them are successful as we had the other day. this one. one hopes there is not a body there that the person that went in was able to get out. but, time will tell on that."

????

What was successful the other day? This one what?

Maybe this is one of those news stories that was created by a computer program and not a human. Maybe the story contains video/audio, which does not appear in my browser setup. Maybe a different news org should be referenced.

posted by jr on Jun 08, 2016 at 07:09:02 am     #  

From the story, I assume that one unarmed man chased three men who carried machetes. Umkay.

Hey! Come back here and fight like a... a... Hutu.

posted by justread on Jun 08, 2016 at 08:07:34 am     #   3 people liked this

If this isn't bad news for DT, I'd like to know why.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Real-Estate/2016/06/08/Developer-plans-hotel-retail-restaurant-across-from-casino.html

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 08, 2016 at 07:51:46 pm     #   1 person liked this

DT Toledo, of course.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 08, 2016 at 07:52:21 pm     #  

Id say that's more bad for toledo but great for the area!

posted by upso on Jun 08, 2016 at 07:59:54 pm     #  

upso posted at 07:59:54 PM on Jun 08, 2016:

Id say that's more bad for toledo but great for the area!

Meh. The hotels near the casino are where the catch the bad guys from Detroit. Like a Roach Motel. Net gain.

posted by justread on Jun 08, 2016 at 08:03:21 pm     #  

Hopefully Promedica purchases the Marina District and officially converts it into a bird and bum sanctuary.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 08, 2016 at 08:25:20 pm     #   1 person liked this

6th_Floor posted at 08:25:20 PM on Jun 08, 2016:

Hopefully Promedica purchases the Marina District and officially converts it into a bird and bum sanctuary.

Ultimately a Metropark using tax dollars to protect it from future taxation. The judges are going to give you this point.

posted by justread on Jun 08, 2016 at 08:33:24 pm     #   1 person liked this

6th_Floor posted at 08:25:20 PM on Jun 08, 2016:

Hopefully Promedica purchases the Marina District and officially converts it into a bird and bum sanctuary.

I assume you keep several large buckets of water in your refrigerator on hand at all times in order to immediately extinguish any hope or enthusiasm. 6th floor, I just want you to know that in my my mind, I see Eeyore peeping in windows, please don't ever let me think anything different, and don't ever change.

posted by ahmahler on Jun 08, 2016 at 08:35:37 pm     #  

Yep. It's shameful that many people continue demanding we develop our riverfront, yet the Metroparks now will own a large chunk of it and contribute $0 to Toledo's tax coffers. In turn, the rest of us ultimately will pay higher taxes and still have terrible roads.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 08, 2016 at 08:37:11 pm     #   1 person liked this

6th_Floor posted at 08:37:11 PM on Jun 08, 2016:

Yep. It's shameful that many people continue demanding we develop our riverfront, yet the Metroparks now will own a large chunk of it and contribute $0 to Toledo's tax coffers. In turn, the rest of us ultimately will pay higher taxes and still have terrible roads.

Ok, I'll bite....

If you make Toledo more attractive and liveable, maybe people will want to live here, stay here, and relocate here. Less vacancy, higher property values=increased tax base. I'm sure you're dubious about it, but the other approaches certainly haven't worked. Plus, we were hurtling towards the inevitable tax abatements to attract someone.

posted by ahmahler on Jun 08, 2016 at 08:48:28 pm     #   2 people liked this

Ahmahler, I've been here for a long time and unfortunately all the fluff in your shirt pockets likely won't change anything here and you'll likely remain in the suburbs no matter how many blowhard statements you make about moving. With this announcement, the final failure of the Marina District has been sealed. 40-50 million down the tubes...for yes, another park in Toledo...as if we really need another one, adjacent to skid row nonetheless.

Trust me, I couldn't care less what you think about me or anything else.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 08, 2016 at 08:50:35 pm     #  

Oh eeyore.

posted by ahmahler on Jun 08, 2016 at 08:54:48 pm     #  

Ok, I'll make one exception. Your wine opinion is worthy of respect.

Another park in skid row aka Front and Main in East Toledo isn't going to bring a single person or business to Toledo.

There are plenty of empty parks throughout East Toledo along with other parts of the city. Toledo isn't becoming any more "liveable" with this deal. Toledo needs more revenue, not more land in the hands of non-tax-paying entities.

East Toledo property values aren't going to rise one bit from another park being created at the Marina District. Besides if it were true (which it definitely isn't), it would be bad news, because they likely can't afford to pay them.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 08, 2016 at 08:57:23 pm     #   2 people liked this

posted by endcycle on Jun 09, 2016 at 10:47:07 am     #   1 person liked this

Thursday we grabbed lunch at the Original Sub Shop on Broadway. I'm sure I've said it before but the new owner is killing it. I get whatever the daily panini is and it has yet to disappoint. There seems to be a younger, dare I say hipper crowd starting to support them and it's just so cool to see new life in that classic space. Supposedly a business has bought the Park Inn across the street and will be rehabbing and bringing their employees down. That plus middle grounds park and greyhound moving their hub to the train station makes me think that area has a solid future.

Hit M&B again on Friday. They had a brisk business with a lot of people passing through. Great energy and coffee coming out of there.

Friday night we hit Adams street for the soft launch of the outdoor open container option. The novelty was kind of lost on me as I don't typically bar hop but it certainly seemed to encourage that type of behavior. I was surprised by the small amount of police presence but generally had a good time and saw a lot of unfamiliar college age folks walking up and down the street.

Saturday there was a food truck party at the Collingwood Arts Center. I did not attend but drove by it a dozen times (I live next door) and there was a huge turn out. I know the CAC is hard up for money but they are definitely on to something.

Today we swung over to the warehouse district and checked out Hensville's Fleetwood Taproom. Parking was sparse but the restaurant was pretty empty.

They have a soul music Sunday from 12-3 with a dj spinning some great tunes. I was disappointed to not find any sort of breakfast / brunch items but really enjoyed my grilled pastrami on rye with havarti and pickles.

I was surprised to find out they aren't doing weekday lunch yet, as the menu is really sandwich / lunch focused. I have a feeling whenever they decided to do weekday lunch they'll do very well.

posted by upso on Jun 12, 2016 at 03:14:44 pm     #  

I went to M&B again today. Third time there this week.

They have had the outside seating back since at least Weds. Must have not had it set up the first day or two.

It's great to have a place to go to on Sunday morning. They were doing a really good business this morning and hope they extended their Sunday hours until at least 2.

They did have batch brew regular and decaf (it was called the warehouse blend) but I haven't tried it yet since I'm a big fan of pour overs. I tried the Nitro cold brew and it is very strong. They also have a cold brew tea that is brewed with coffee beans that is very unique.

My only complaint is that they don't have any artificial sweetener's and the barista told me she didn't think they would carry any. I have a good friend that is a diabetic and whilst she has an insulin pump and can have carbs drinking coffee with pure sugar in it makes her blood sugar go through the roof

posted by classylady on Jun 12, 2016 at 07:25:07 pm     #  

Has Kobe Bay updated their reopening date?

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 12, 2016 at 10:22:58 pm     #  

I forgot that place even existed.

posted by upso on Jun 13, 2016 at 12:31:01 am     #  

There was a fire on top of the Standard Lofts last night around midnight. From my vantage point, it looked like it was confined to the rooftop deck, but I can't say for sure. The blaze went for about 20 minutes from the time I heard the sirens until the time it was put out. I have no idea what damage was done or if anyone was hurt, but there didn't seem to be a lot of urgency on the ground other than the fire itself, so hopefully everyone is ok.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 13, 2016 at 07:56:38 am     #  

"Just fill it with new businesses and industry. We need the revenue more than we need another park, dumbasses!!!!" Well no shit. Ever hear of the term "cut bait" ? Toledo has been mired in far too many situations where it needed to cut bait and didnt. Disappointing that it hasn't and never will generate revenue ? Absolutely. But at a certain point in time, a city that has been contracting significantly, needs to make some tough decisions. I assure you....a metropark in this location will do far more for positive for Toledo....than 10-20 more years of vacant industrial wasteland with decorative lighting, which we all know would be the future of that land.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jun 13, 2016 at 11:12:43 am     #   1 person liked this

re: Kobe Bay-They are installing Hibachi tables, and there have been delays, as they are customized. They had originally targeted Memorial Day, but that's been pushed back. As i understand it, they are doing a minor reboot, mostly front of house focused.

posted by ahmahler on Jun 13, 2016 at 11:23:35 am     #  

I hope Kobe Bay gets it all figured out. I've enjoyed my meal there every single time (four, I think), and with the space/views they have, and the outdoor patio enclosed hibachi grills, there is massive potential. But they certainly have some issues to work out. Service was slow every single time, and it's a gigantic space to fill. A lot of the space seems pretty wasted with the layout. And there really isn't a lunch menu - it's just selected items from the dinner menu for the same price. The low end of the menu is around $15 if memory serves, which is a lot to ask for the lunch crowd.

posted by Johio83 on Jun 13, 2016 at 11:42:13 am     #  

Small update to Maddie and Bella - they have artificial sweeteners behind the counter.

Becoming an addict. Stop 4 in 2 weeks.

Suggestion: get a pourover of the Long Miles coffee and drink it black. It's a wonderfully complex and easy to drink cup.

posted by endcycle on Jun 14, 2016 at 07:31:00 am     #  

I agree with endcycle on the Long Miles at Maddie's. I've had it both iced and hot as a pourover and well worth the four minute or so wait. I can't drink it black but can drink it with just milk (and they don't charge for soy unlike some of their competition) and no sweetner (that's the only coffee I've been able to drink with no sweetner besides the Anderson's PB cup coffee).

Like another poster said they don't have anything except the raw sugar any longer. The first two times I went there they had some behind the counter. When I went on Saturday they didn't have any and I was told by the clerk that she heard they were not going to carry it and it was just splenda they had left over (probably some they found from the Downtown Lattee days). I remembered to bring a couple packs on Sunday since I was drinking the Nitro and that is too strong for me to drink with no sweetner and I also avoid table sugar in coffee for health reasons.
I'm going to try to remember to put a few packs of Splenda in my bike saddle bag so I'll have it when I bike there. Hopefully they will bring Splenda back if enough people complain, table sugar causes a real spike for most diabetics even if they take insulin to cover it, the sugar kicks in before the insulin does to counter it.

I was there Sunday after church and thought they had a good crowd for being their first Sunday open. It's better coffee than Downtown Latte and the hours are a lot better.

posted by jamesteroh on Jun 14, 2016 at 12:23:53 pm     #  

as a type one diabetic of 28 years I just avoid sweet stuff. artificial or otherwise. that said, most of the diabetics I know just roll with their own backup sweeteners.

posted by upso on Jun 14, 2016 at 12:51:50 pm     #  

I wonder what their reasoning is for not carrying artificial sweeteners? It can't be that big of an expense. I know it seems like a small issue to most people but it's kind of shitty in my opinion to alienate a certain population (diabetics).

posted by dell_diva on Jun 14, 2016 at 01:01:53 pm     #  

upso posted at 12:51:50 PM on Jun 14, 2016:

as a type one diabetic of 28 years I just avoid sweet stuff. artificial or otherwise. that said, most of the diabetics I know just roll with their own backup sweeteners.

My dad is the same way. He doesn't ever rely on a restaurant to make sure they have sweetner for him. Most typically do however.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Jun 14, 2016 at 01:05:59 pm     #  

Huh. The lady said they had splenda this morning behind the counter - wonder if she was wrong? She didn't look, so maybe she was just assuming.

It is an odd choice in my book. Not sure how much they thought that through.

posted by endcycle on Jun 14, 2016 at 01:16:36 pm     #  

The first couple times I asked for sweetner it was behind the counter mixed in with sugar in a plastic cup. When I asked for it Saturday they got out the plastic cup and only sugar was in it and I was told they weren't going to carry it and it was probably just what they had left over.

I'm hoping to go there tonight after work and am prepared since I have a few packs in my saddle bag on my bike and am going to suggest they carry it.

I'm also a Type 1 diabetic of almost 35 years and I have to bolus anyway for a couple grams of carbs since caffiene spikes me as well as the milk but pure sugar spikes my blood sugar too much and I like to avoid the calories as well.

It will be great when Plate 21 opens, it will be nice having three high quality coffee houses in the downtown area (M&B, Plate 21 and Bleekhouse).

posted by jamesteroh on Jun 14, 2016 at 03:32:10 pm     #  

Make sure when you go that you say something about your medical reasons for wanting non-dairy sweetener, maybe even talk to a manager. They're still new, so they probably could use some direct feedback.

posted by endcycle on Jun 14, 2016 at 03:34:00 pm     #  

I went to M&B after work tonight. I had Splenda in my saddle bag in case if I needed but fortunately I didn't. They had Stevia in a plastic cup behind the counter.

It was nice to see a couple other bikes locked up on St. Clair street on the bike posts as well. I wish we had more of those downtown

posted by jamesteroh on Jun 14, 2016 at 06:34:28 pm     #  

M+B was jamming this morning. Some kinda meeting taking place at the large table, a couple of people around small tables, and about 5 -6 people this morning waiting for pourovers and lattes to be made when I walked in. I opted for pre-brewed this time, and it was really quite nice. Not pourover good, but good.

My concern here is that the time for service might be longer than people are willing to tolerate on their way into work. It's worked okay for Bleakhouse, so maybe people can adjust. We'll see.

posted by endcycle on Jun 16, 2016 at 10:24:22 am     #  

Went to Kengo tonight. I loved it. Best sushi I have had in a long time. I loved the different types of yakatori. We ordered three rounds. A+

posted by Dappling2 on Jun 16, 2016 at 09:10:28 pm     #  

Georgiz on Adams finally opened a couple nights ago.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 25, 2016 at 02:26:10 pm     #  

I heard Gerogez/old moxie is doing a soft grand opening at 5 tonight and officially opens weds

posted by classylady on Jun 25, 2016 at 03:07:59 pm     #  

I have to say the open container situation on Adams is definitely bringing our a new crowd of folks. Lots of people popping in to the Attic last night dressed up WAAAAAY nicer than you'd typically see in uptown. I'm looking forward to seeing where this is headed.

posted by upso on Jun 25, 2016 at 05:44:26 pm     #  

Besides people standing next to the Mano's entrance with cups of beer, I'm not seeing any extra activity from the open container area...especially along Adams Street.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 26, 2016 at 01:29:59 am     #  

Please share you're market research...

posted by upso on Jun 26, 2016 at 01:53:57 am     #  

Please share another fairy tale of how amazing the business has been with thousands of people walking along Adams with cups of beer since the open container zone started.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jun 26, 2016 at 03:23:25 am     #  

time to invent a crowd estimating app for smart phone.

posted by justread on Jun 26, 2016 at 03:48:15 am     #  

That or turnstiles

posted by justread on Jun 26, 2016 at 03:49:05 am     #  

justread posted at 03:48:15 AM on Jun 26, 2016:

time to invent a crowd estimating app for smart phone.

The Mud Hens are great at estimating crowds, from what I hear ☺

posted by JoeyGee on Jun 26, 2016 at 08:06:54 am     #   2 people liked this

Unfortunately I am out of town and had to miss it but I heard Georgjz's grand opening was very successful last night. His face book page is:
https://www.facebook.com/GeorgjzToledo/

posted by jamesteroh on Jun 26, 2016 at 12:58:41 pm     #  

jamesteroh posted at 12:58:41 PM on Jun 26, 2016:

Unfortunately I am out of town and had to miss it but I heard Georgjz's grand opening was very successful last night. His face book page is:
https://www.facebook.com/GeorgjzToledo/

It must be one of those super secret clubs.

posted by jr on Jun 26, 2016 at 01:21:10 pm     #  

Worked fine for me JR.

posted by JustaSooner on Jun 26, 2016 at 02:20:53 pm     #  

JustaSooner posted at 02:20:53 PM on Jun 26, 2016:

Worked fine for me JR.

Interesting. I tried to open that Facebook page in the following Web browsers:

  • Chrome
  • Firefox
  • Opera
  • Opera Developer
  • Min
  • GNU IceCat
  • Tor
  • Safari

And each time, I received the same no-dice "error" message.

Hold it. The error message also states:

... the page may only be visible to an audience you're not in.

That page only displays if logged into Facebook.

Gladly, I'm not part of that audience. It may be time to update the Groucho Marx quote.

"I don’t care to read any Facebook page that will have me as a member of its audience."


Elsewhere in the world:

"Daddy, do you think that someday smoking will be banned from bars and restaurants?"

"Definitely, son. Smoking is a dangerous, disgusting activity. Only troglodytes smoke."

"Daddy, do you think that someday new small businesses will launch without a public presence on the open web?"

"Son, stay away from my mushrooms."


I'm concerned about the fake Indian, shedding a tear.

posted by jr on Jun 26, 2016 at 02:50:25 pm     #  

I just did a Facebook search for Georgiz and it came right up. Maybe you can't access it unless you are logged in

posted by jamesteroh on Jun 26, 2016 at 03:24:47 pm     #  

Yeah, that's the joke. Jr doesn't want to have to use Facebook! :)

I'm happy they are open. Looking forward to checking out the menu.

posted by upso on Jun 26, 2016 at 03:59:47 pm     #  

Hey, I logged into Facebook, using the Links browser, and the page displayed just fine. Thanks for the help.

But I think that my web experience is lacking. Do I needs me the Facebook apps? How do I gets the Facebook apps?

posted by jr on Jun 26, 2016 at 05:05:21 pm     #  

Niiiiice. Haven't used links in a while.

posted by endcycle on Jun 26, 2016 at 05:23:51 pm     #  

Is the Proof Bakery still around? (I think that was the name.) Used to see them at the Farmers Market. Their breads were a bit pricey, but definitely unique and worth the occasional splurge. All I can find via a google search is stuff from two years ago.

Thanks in advance for any info.

posted by Bandito on Jun 26, 2016 at 07:15:50 pm     #  

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