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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

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MrGlass419 posted at 07:40:28 PM on Aug 12, 2014:

That's why Diva is gone? I thought it had to do with the fact that their neighbors at FifthThird moved killing their lunch business plus the streets around it were torn out to build the Huntington Center which made the area a dead zone. Add on top the owner Zaleski wanted money out to concentrate on his overly ambitious project which is the Secor Hotel building (huge undertaking)? I don't think it's coincidence that Rapp's restaurant is in her former boss's new building.
White stuff? pfhhh.

Ding. Thank you. Somebody may have something on an employee. I was close to Eric and Jim, and kind of went with Jim in the divorce. Great guy. That place was a labor of love and drugs had nothing to do with the H/Z projects, and later Jim. I had some of the best meals of my life there between 2001 and 2008. All due respect to the strong field of local chefs that we have today. There are more options now. Toledo has grown as a food town. And frankly, I thank H/Z, then Jim, for a swift kick in the butt.
They added something very special downtown at a time (2001) that needed it so bad. Same with 20 North Gallery. Same for a first home for Toledo School for the Arts.

For someone to connect the ownership with a white powder innuendo is startling to those who knew them at the time.

posted by justread on Aug 12, 2014 at 08:07:07 pm     #   2 people liked this

I guess nobody said "owner." My bad, but still... to connect it with going out of business may have been a bit much.

posted by justread on Aug 12, 2014 at 08:13:59 pm     #  

no-not owner, not at all. That's not the accusation.

Idiot manager (employee), mismanaged the place. My suspicion is, Jim was probably out of patience and didn't want to sink more money into it. I know for a fact that the business had perked up, but there were still mismanaged (not Jim) and that can be the difference between being open and closed. If the manager ran that place professionally, rather than as an outlet for his partying, we would have found out if they survived the recession and 5/3 moving (I contend lunch is irrelevant for a good dinner spot). As it turned out, Jim probably didn't have the patience to find out-he already gave the place a reprieve when he hired Erika. Huge props to those guys for having a vision and investing in Toledo.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 12, 2014 at 09:45:18 pm     #   1 person liked this

I wasn't saying the owner...I just knew of several employees there. If the owners knew or not what was going on I have no idea. I didn't mean anything against the owners.

posted by stooks on Aug 13, 2014 at 10:56:51 am     #  

"workers at diva loved sniffing the white stuff" is a pretty broad and all-inclusive generalization. If 80 people worked there in 7 years, they can go under the bus for the sake of 3 at the end.

That's fair.

posted by justread on Aug 13, 2014 at 01:31:44 pm     #   3 people liked this

Heard that Woodchucks across from ESM is going to become a bar with house music theme. I didn't bother asking about an estimated opening date.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 15, 2014 at 12:46:50 pm     #  

Heard that Woodchucks across from ESM is going to become a bar with house music theme. I didn't bother asking about an estimated opening date.

6th-either you've learned something-or you agree with me on house music.

;)

posted by ahmahler on Aug 15, 2014 at 01:18:32 pm     #  

^ Aw, you're crazy. Probably just haven't heard any good house music yet. I can help with that.

posted by mixman on Aug 16, 2014 at 10:02:43 am     #  

The Muzak in hell plays house music. People think it is just the same song over and over, but's it's actually the entire catalog.

posted by justread on Aug 16, 2014 at 10:07:50 am     #   1 person liked this

Oh there's way worse stuff being played in satan's den. Round the clock country or adult contempoary would be my guess. But music is a very personal thing. To each his or her own.

Here's to Toledo becoming hip at a glacial pace!

posted by mixman on Aug 16, 2014 at 10:14:57 am     #  

They only play 90's rap music in hell.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 16, 2014 at 10:53:29 am     #  

Ok mixman- give me some suggestions on good house music-I'll stay open minded.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 16, 2014 at 12:41:43 pm     #  

Sure thing. pm sent

posted by mixman on Aug 17, 2014 at 05:13:30 pm     #  

Thanks-I'll check it out!

posted by ahmahler on Aug 17, 2014 at 05:16:38 pm     #  

Just seen the new sign on the restaurant going in by me El Camino Real La Chalupa. Rumor was late August opening, its located in the Merchant Landing plaza on N. Summit right by the Michigan state line.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 17, 2014 at 07:30:26 pm     #   1 person liked this

La Chalupa, the Boat

I am twenty,
drifting in la chalupa,
the blue boat painted with roses,
white lilies—

No, not drifting, I am poling
my way into my life. It seems
like another life:

There were the walls of the mind.
There were the cliffs of the mind,
There were the seven deaths,
and the seven bread-offerings—

Still, there was still
the little boat, the chalupa
you built once, slowly, in the yard, after school—

-Jean Valentine, 1934

posted by justread on Aug 17, 2014 at 08:46:19 pm     #  

1505 Adams (across from Manhattans) is not home to a tattoo parlor named Ink & Iron.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 18, 2014 at 03:42:32 pm     #  

*now

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 18, 2014 at 03:42:45 pm     #  

Any idea who is running it?

posted by upso on Aug 18, 2014 at 04:02:35 pm     #  

How long until Chez Joey bites the dust?

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/08/21/One-person-carried-out-on-stretcher-in-shooting-at-Chez-Joey.html

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:04:41 am     #  

I'm pretty positive anyone concerned with downtown's development would agree that the sooner something other than a strip club goes in there, the better off the area will be.

posted by Johio83 on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:09:15 am     #   6 people liked this

6th_Floor posted at 10:04:41 AM on Aug 21, 2014:

How long until Chez Joey bites the dust?

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/08/21/One-person-carried-out-on-stretcher-in-shooting-at-Chez-Joey.html

Chez Joey??? The strip club name generator must have been broken the day that place was started.

posted by clt212 on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:18:21 am     #   3 people liked this

I think it's a chain or something. (Before people begin to speculate, it doesn't have anything to do with a local restaurateur.)

posted by Johio83 on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:29:25 am     #  

Agreed on the strip club point, but violence was going to find the victim at the Chez Joey shooting.
Just like the two people who were shot dead in his house on Pearl St. last December.

posted by justread on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:36:51 am     #   2 people liked this

2 parcels involved with Chez Joey.

713 (building) & 725 (parking lot).

Slightly above 15k of unpaid property taxes.

The place should be closed immediately because the owners aren't even attempting to pay the property taxes they owe. I'd like to see the city padlock a couple more businesses nearby (Table 44 & Micheal's) that each are between 10-20k delinquent.

The Blade article says 17 patrol cars were at the scene. That probably cost Toledo taxpayers quite a bit of money and also reduced safety throughout the city during the incident.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 21, 2014 at 11:08:42 am     #   6 people liked this

Do you have any information about if Michael's and Table 44 are on settlement plans with the city?

posted by endcycle on Aug 21, 2014 at 04:03:57 pm     #  

Yes. 44 was paying into some of the principal owed, but has stalled again and the balance is again increasing. 44 currently owes between 18-19k.

Michael's finally paid some of the taxes for their parking lot. They previously hadn't paid anything toward the lot's balance for several years, if ever. They're also on a payment for the other parcels, but still very behind.

I don't see any delinquent payment plan at Chez and they didn't pay anything for at least the past year.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 21, 2014 at 04:11:25 pm     #  

The El Camino Rio, La Chalupa is delayed in opening, something about a no show for one of the guys for an inspection or license.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 27, 2014 at 07:06:43 pm     #  

The other day I noticed that the El Camino on Dussel (former Ground Round) is now "Don Juan" Mexican restaurant.

Just a name change or did El Camino not make it there?

posted by Foodie on Aug 28, 2014 at 09:56:53 am     #  

The dussel location always struggled for business it seems. I think it changed over earlier this summer but do not remember when exactly. Has to be expensive land/rent/building cost on that road

posted by Hoops on Aug 28, 2014 at 10:17:34 am     #  

The building is still owned by the Harb brothers who owned Ground Rounds at that location and on Alexis. As for who owns Don Juan...I refuse to discuss this topic.

posted by Molsonator on Aug 28, 2014 at 11:12:20 am     #  

'Nuff said. We'll continue to avoid it as we did when it was El Camino. Thanks.

posted by Foodie on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:07:54 pm     #  

The El Camino on Dussel was never affiliated with the other El Camino's. They just wanted to make it look like it was after they saw how successful the Douglas/Sylvania location was. Those owners on Dussel either did (or stil do) own some Marco's pizza locations.

posted by llz on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:30:00 pm     #  

Well, that's interesting - I never knew that. Wonder how they got away with using the El Camino name?

If you go to the El Camino Real website, it shows "Toledo Maumee Orgeon".

posted by Foodie on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:45:24 pm     #  

llz posted at 12:30:00 PM on Aug 28, 2014:

The El Camino on Dussel was never affiliated with the other El Camino's. They just wanted to make it look like it was after they saw how successful the Douglas/Sylvania location was. Those owners on Dussel either did (or stil do) own some Marco's pizza locations.

I don't know how accurate this is... they had the exact same menu, same logo, and it was on their main website.

http://www.elcaminorealtoledo.com/El_Camino_Real_Maumee.html

posted by wahhutch9 on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:53:40 pm     #  

I did give Don Juan's a try. Completely different menu.. some of the same staff as El Camino. Given its proximity to my home, I'm sure we will try it again.

posted by wahhutch9 on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:54:53 pm     #  

There was another "El Camino" in the old Joe's Crab Shack a few years ago that had no affiliation with the one we all know. It's good they didn't, as their menu was different (and they didn't serve half of what was listed on the menu), staff were unfriendly, and food was quite honestly horrendous. That was a one and done visit for us.

posted by webrioter on Aug 28, 2014 at 01:06:24 pm     #  

Paula Brown Shop opened their restaurant/wine bar this week.

It appears they're going to offer lunch with Swig's food truck and an after work happy hour type bar until 7:30 or 8pm.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 29, 2014 at 01:17:31 pm     #  

6th-Nice! I didn't realize they were working together. I <3 Swig.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 29, 2014 at 01:35:27 pm     #  

Wow. That's actually a pretty brilliant idea, using the food truck that way. Would Black Cloister be able to do the same thing? Just collaborate with a food truck to be parked outside, so that they aren't violating their alcohol sales license? (Tap room vs brewery)

posted by Johio83 on Aug 29, 2014 at 02:32:01 pm     #  

Sure, as long as no money was exchanged between the two businesses. It's a pretty big city idea and I love it.

posted by upso on Aug 29, 2014 at 09:20:08 pm     #  

Italian restaurant opening soon at 332 N. Erie.

Posted hours 6am-7pm Mon-Fri and 11am-4pm Sat-Sun.

The name is real creative. Toledo Art & Food Italian Restaurant.

I know I'm a glass half empty type here, but I'd like to know the reasoning behind those operating hours.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 31, 2014 at 02:51:52 pm     #  

Wow-those are diner hours, not normally something you associate with an Italian Restaurant.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 31, 2014 at 03:19:41 pm     #  

Found out who didn't show up to inspect the new El Camino restaurant up here in Merchant Landings. It was the health inspector, so they have no certification to open yet, from what I heard he just never showed up to do the inspection. I have no idea when they are expecting to open now.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 31, 2014 at 04:50:22 pm     #  

is 332 N. Erie the old Lunch Hour spot?

posted by upso on Aug 31, 2014 at 05:23:24 pm     #  

Yep. There had been a for rent sign in the curved windows for at least a few years.

I think Rob Croak had a piece of that place a long time ago when it was a breakfast/lunch diner during his time at Frankie's.

It has maybe a half dozen parking spots and doesn't have any parking available along that part of Erie, so it's a terrible location for an Italian restaurant. The posted are so ridiculous, I don't even think Toledo Talk's most optimistic posters will say the hours are optimal.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 31, 2014 at 05:38:13 pm     #  

Shockingly it appears that T-Town Pub & Grub (formerly THE BAR across from Huntington on Jefferson) will open ON TIME for it's previously announced early September grand opening.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 31, 2014 at 05:39:56 pm     #  

T-Town Pub & Grub opened Friday and is going through a "soft opening" period now.

posted by Mike21 on Aug 31, 2014 at 06:37:22 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 05:38:13 PM on Aug 31, 2014:

Yep. There had been a for rent sign in the curved windows for at least a few years.

I think Rob Croak had a piece of that place a long time ago when it was a breakfast/lunch diner during his time at Frankie's.

It has maybe a half dozen parking spots and doesn't have any parking available along that part of Erie, so it's a terrible location for an Italian restaurant. The posted are so ridiculous, I don't even think Toledo Talk's most optimistic posters will say the hours are optimal.

It was called Galaxy when Croak owned it. Became a hangout for all of us alternateens and post-bar crowds. Super-great menu, service, and coffee.

posted by endcycle on Sep 02, 2014 at 01:00:57 pm     #  

Saw people outside T-Town this weekend while biking to the Warehouse District.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Sep 02, 2014 at 05:20:14 pm     #  

I noticed that the Italian restaurant at 332 N. Erie didn't waste much time and has opened. Kudos to them for avoiding the typical route of several delays. Maybe that determination will give them success at what appears to be a bad location.

Also, a week or two ago some sort of clothing store has opened at 1505 Adams, next door to the tattoo parlor. I was waiting to see a sign, but have yet to see one. I recognized one of the servers at Rockwell's and she is either an employee or owner.

Bleakhouse still remains without any type of outdoor signage.

The carryout at Adams and Huron has more than its share of shifty people hanging around the entrance day, evening, and night. It really does give a dumpy vibe to the surrounding area.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 10, 2014 at 05:16:14 pm     #  

Buddy had lunch at the new Italian restaurant today and claimed it's the best italian in the city. When I pressed for a website or more info, he said it's run by an old italian lady who wouldn't know how to get things online. So if you're interested, just go check it out! They have a pretty good looking menu. Click this link for more info:

http://i.imgur.com/SZvBYl1.jpg

He says they are open 11am - 4pm on the weekends to boot!

posted by upso on Sep 15, 2014 at 09:01:48 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 05:16:14 PM on Sep 10, 2014:

I noticed that the Italian restaurant at 332 N. Erie didn't waste much time and has opened. Kudos to them for avoiding the typical route of several delays. Maybe that determination will give them success at what appears to be a bad location.

Also, a week or two ago some sort of clothing store has opened at 1505 Adams, next door to the tattoo parlor. I was waiting to see a sign, but have yet to see one. I recognized one of the servers at Rockwell's and she is either an employee or owner.

Bleakhouse still remains without any type of outdoor signage.

The carryout at Adams and Huron has more than its share of shifty people hanging around the entrance day, evening, and night. It really does give a dumpy vibe to the surrounding area.

That carryout indeed might be the nastiest downtown. 'Dumpy vibe' doesn't quite cover it.

posted by McCaskey on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:29:34 am     #  

upso posted at 09:01:48 PM on Sep 15, 2014:

Buddy had lunch at the new Italian restaurant today and claimed it's the best italian in the city. When I pressed for a website or more info, he said it's run by an old italian lady who wouldn't know how to get things online. So if you're interested, just go check it out! They have a pretty good looking menu. Click this link for more info:

http://i.imgur.com/SZvBYl1.jpg

He says they are open 11am - 4pm on the weekends to boot!

This might be unfair, but if the 'best Italian' joint in the city closes at 4 p.m. on a Saturday, what good is it?

And do they have liquor license? If not, what good REALLY is it??

posted by McCaskey on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:34:27 am     #  

Bleakhouse has a real sign!

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 16, 2014 at 06:27:04 am     #  

McCaskey, looks like it's a lunch spot. Take a look at the menu, it's mostly sandwiches. :)

posted by upso on Sep 16, 2014 at 09:10:05 am     #   1 person liked this

I missed this yesterday and it's surprising the Lucky's dreamers aren't more excited about the possibility of this happening.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2014/09/15/Toledo-mulls-giving-ProMedica-building.html

I'll believe it when I see it.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:09:42 pm     #  

Weird... isn't that the building next to the new Uptown Green Park? I thought that was owned by the Uptown Association. Interesting location... would be great for the Old West End if they actually put a decent grocery in there but it seems odd to me that Promedica would want to get into the grocery business!

posted by upso on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:50:59 pm     #  

Also... there is zero parking there besides street right?

posted by upso on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:52:12 pm     #  

There isn't any significant amount of parking adjacent to that building. There is another vacant lot across the street next to the Democrat Party HQ, and I would think that if there really are plans to open a grocery store there some sort of parking lot will need to be created.

ProMedica entering the grocery business certainly is odd, and I'm not really a fan of the city of Toledo spending tax dollars and subsequently giving away property. Especially to already well-heeled entities.

There were prior discussions regarding the city swapping some property with Cherry Street Mission and the soup kitchen being moved. I heard it was possibly going to be moved closer to or into Macomber, but those discussions fell apart.

Uptown Green is a joke to begin with, but that has already been discussed here in length. We really need more accountability and transparency from the land bank, and CoT real estate dealings.

Nolan Rosenkrans, if you are reading this, I think a series examining the inner workings of the land bank would be very informative. Aries doesn't show any purchase or sale prices of properties involving the land bank.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 17, 2014 at 08:21:12 am     #  

Land Bank. Check.

Why, again, is UpTown Green a joke?

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Sep 17, 2014 at 09:00:25 am     #  

Because he declared it so. The "at length" was more or less him saying it was a joke and others saying it wasn't. Which I guess means it's a joke.

The Promedica Grocery idea really is perplexing. The only logic I can make of it is that, since they've maxed out their hospital properties, they're looking for other ventures to get into that won't raise red flags and calls of monopoly. But even then...

And as far as the Land Bank and the city giving buildings away to people who will develop them, I have zero problem with that, provided there are actionable requirements. A building like this that would most likely otherwise sit vacant until it ultimately got torn down (which costs a fortune, btw) is instead given to a company with a proven track record and the stipulation that it must be renovated, must be filled by a certain date, etc. The city then has an income-generating property, in addition to a revitalized building that has the potential to inspire further development around it. The property around a grocery store in the downtown/uptown area would instantly become much more valuable. It's a win all the way around.

posted by Johio83 on Sep 17, 2014 at 09:15:16 am     #   1 person liked this

Johio, I suppose you're going to be having weekly picnics at Uptown Green, so enjoy yourself. It'll be more believable if you post photos.

Bring plenty of spare change and cigarettes with you. And a lighter, in case the bums need that as well.

Nolan, I realize the funding for Uptown Green mostly came from the state, private grants or elsewhere. However, inevitably the city ends up paying for the upkeep or other costs and I think the city has greater needs elsewhere than creating more park space.

I believe the land bank should be more transparent about prices being paid for property they are acquiring and selling. From what AREIS shows, prices aren't listed. If I'm incorrectly looking, somebody please inform me where I need to search to discover prices.

Johio, they aren't just acquiring worthless properties and what is the process to acquire these properties via land bank giveaways as you've mentioned?

Nolan, there are dozens, but to begin, here are two properties with history with LUCAS COUNTY LAND REUTILIZATION CORPORATION, aka land bank, that deserve further transparency. 706 Monroe (currently owned) and 2041 Glenwood (previously acquired and later transferred/sold to a private citizen).

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 17, 2014 at 09:57:45 am     #  

6th, you can actually find out a lot about things by asking questions. It's usually more effective than driving past a place at 2:30 on a Wednesday afternoon. Check out the Land Bank's website, or give them a call. They have a list of their available properties, and if you'd like to take ownership of one, you let them know. Anyone who applies for a property is vetted by the LB, including not only their background and financial stability, but a comprehensive statement of intentions. How will the property be redeveloped, what will that cost, who will they work with, what is the projected timeline, etc.

posted by Johio83 on Sep 17, 2014 at 10:12:17 am     #   2 people liked this

Any explanation regarding why the sale prices involving the land bank aren't posted on AREIS?

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 17, 2014 at 10:13:57 am     #  

The person that acquired 2041 Glenwood hasn't paid a penny of property taxes since taking ownership of the property in June 2013.

So much for the land bank doing it's "background and financial stability" legwork, eh?

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 17, 2014 at 10:18:49 am     #   2 people liked this

Well, that settles it. Of all the deals the Land Bank has done, you've found a property that is a year delinquent on its taxes. I guess that means the whole system should just be shut down, because it obviously doesn't work if it can't achieve a 100% success rate.

posted by Johio83 on Sep 17, 2014 at 11:01:20 am     #   4 people liked this

There are more. Someone once told me that you can learn a lot by asking questions, however.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 17, 2014 at 11:07:36 am     #   1 person liked this

If Promedica is moving downtown and moving people there wouldn't it be in their interest to support their people? Maybe I'm being naive but maybe they are putting in a grocery because their people will need one and there isn't anything nearby that would serve that purpose?

posted by MIJeff on Sep 17, 2014 at 11:53:25 am     #   2 people liked this

^^^^^Exactly. Promedica didn't become a Billion dollar business (monopoly) by making dumb decisions like the City of Toledo. They are ahead of the curve.

As mentioned - it would turn a deteriorating building into an income producing building. At this point previous losses are already loss and no one is looking to turn the building around.

Might as well go with a company that has a proven track record of fiscal responsibility along with maintaining their properties unlike the City.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Sep 17, 2014 at 12:06:34 pm     #   3 people liked this

Sushi & Yakitori coming to the Warehouse district! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joshuawagy/kengo-sushi-and-yakitori

posted by upso on Sep 22, 2014 at 03:39:56 pm     #   4 people liked this

Since I recalled many months ago hearing it was to open in September, but nothing since, I searched for any news. I laughed when I found the link below.

Do these broke guys actually think they stand a chance to survive if they are resorting to begging for starting capital? Anyway, maybe Johio and a few other Toledo Talk's WHD enthusiasts will donate.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joshuawagy/kengo-sushi-and-yakitori?ref=nav_search

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 22, 2014 at 03:44:21 pm     #  

LOL Upso

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 22, 2014 at 03:47:42 pm     #   2 people liked this

A lot of businesses (across the country) use a Kickstarter as a way to bring attention to their up & coming projects. I can't speak on their behalf, but I don't think they are broke.

It's not super clear from that page but Josh is the guy responsible for http://smashtoledo.com/ Chef Kengo is also highly respected in the food community for whatever it's worth.

posted by upso on Sep 22, 2014 at 03:51:12 pm     #  

haha. great and disagreeing point of view minds post alike!

posted by upso on Sep 22, 2014 at 03:52:01 pm     #  

6th, I already did!

posted by Johio83 on Sep 22, 2014 at 04:23:47 pm     #   2 people liked this

My guess is $5k is a drop in the bucket. Let's not forget, most small businesses rely on backing to open, often, that's in the form of small business loans. Doing a kickstarter shouldn't be associated with a last ditch funding effort, even though it's tempting to think that. It's just that much money they don't need to borrow or pay interest on. Plus, kickstarter has a real benefit of having the backer feel like they're a part of something.

Can't wait for the place to open-Kengo has some serious skills

posted by ahmahler on Sep 22, 2014 at 04:54:38 pm     #  

If I hadn't seen the Kickstarter here for Fowl & Fodder, I don't know when/if I would have tried it.

As it is, I was happy to help fund it, and had one of the best lunches in recent memory as a result. And my name is on the wall! How cool is that!

(No, not the BATHROOM wall, you pervs... At least, I hope not.)

posted by Anniecski on Sep 22, 2014 at 05:07:41 pm     #   3 people liked this

El Camino La Chalupa open up here on North Summit place has been packed since they opened on Thursday.

posted by MIJeff on Sep 22, 2014 at 08:31:45 pm     #  

Close to 2 grand of the 5 grand goal on day one of a 20 day goal. Looking good for some Japanese in DT Toledo! :)

posted by upso on Sep 23, 2014 at 12:00:10 am     #   4 people liked this

MIJeff posted at 08:31:45 PM on Sep 22, 2014:

El Camino La Chalupa open up here on North Summit place has been packed since they opened on Thursday.

MIJeff: I'm not sure I'm thinking of the correct location - is North Summit Place aka or fka Merchants Landing - across from Alternative Plumbing and where the former Kroger store was?

posted by Foodie on Sep 23, 2014 at 08:55:39 am     #  

At noon, they're just shy of $3K.

6th, isn't this exactly what you're constantly preaching? What better way to show that downtown is ripe for more investment and variety? A guy wants to open a good sushi joint, and people are all to eager to throw money at him to help get it off the ground. Isn't this exactly how a free market dictates its wants and needs?

posted by Johio83 on Sep 23, 2014 at 12:15:54 pm     #   5 people liked this

Johio, yes, I am an advocate of people being free to spend their money as they wish. You haven't hurt my wallet one bit by donating.

This kickstarter exercise also seems to validate that "There's a sucker born every minute" remains as alive and well in 2014 as it did during prior centuries.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 23, 2014 at 12:51:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

I don't see the logic there. If I contribute money to help him open, how is it different than patronizing his establishment after it's open? Either way, I'm helping his business exist, so why is one wrong and the other right?

posted by Johio83 on Sep 23, 2014 at 12:58:45 pm     #   5 people liked this

Nah 6th-no one is being duped. They're just voting with their wallet. No false promises. Just goes to show how much people are in favor of this concept in this location. I'll fund it tomorrow when I'm at my computer.

posted by ahmahler on Sep 23, 2014 at 10:24:28 pm     #   1 person liked this

Foodie posted at 08:55:39 AM on Sep 23, 2014:
MIJeff posted at 08:31:45 PM on Sep 22, 2014:

El Camino La Chalupa open up here on North Summit place has been packed since they opened on Thursday.

MIJeff: I'm not sure I'm thinking of the correct location - is North Summit Place aka or fka Merchants Landing - across from Alternative Plumbing and where the former Kroger store was?

Yes its in Merchant landings where the Landing's used to be, or if you have lived in the area long enough, Radio Shack and Pier 12.

posted by MIJeff on Sep 24, 2014 at 02:29:42 am     #  

"If I contribute money to help him open, how is it different than patronizing his establishment after it's open?"

Donating to help bring about the realization of someone's dream, even when it is going to personally benefit you is very different than the transactional process of purchasing food at menu price.

I'm not suggesting that either is wrong. But they are not the same.

posted by justread on Sep 24, 2014 at 06:37:16 am     #   2 people liked this

MIJeff posted at 02:29:42 AM on Sep 24, 2014:
Foodie posted at 08:55:39 AM on Sep 23, 2014:
MIJeff posted at 08:31:45 PM on Sep 22, 2014:

El Camino La Chalupa open up here on North Summit place has been packed since they opened on Thursday.

MIJeff: I'm not sure I'm thinking of the correct location - is North Summit Place aka or fka Merchants Landing - across from Alternative Plumbing and where the former Kroger store was?

Yes its in Merchant landings where the Landing's used to be, or if you have lived in the area long enough, Radio Shack and Pier 12.

Found them. We were heading up to the Tigers game yesterday afternoon and decided to stop by El Chalupa for some chips and salsa just to check them out. As previously mentioned here by me on numerous occasions, we've never been fans of the El Camino restaurants.

That said, I have to say they did a nice job with the build out - especially considering what they had to work with. We sat at the bar - which is pretty neat with some amazing light fixtures - love to have that over my pool table.

We very much enjoyed the chips, salsa and, yes a Margarita (just one) as well as chatting with the bartender. The Margarita was not spectacular but definitely drinkable. We will go back and try the food soon. Nice to have such an establishment so close to home.

When we first walked in, an odor of sewer gas punched me in the nose. Before we left, I went to the little boy's room to wash my hands and noticed the odor was even stronger in the men's room. The odor was familiar because we used to experience the same issue in the common rest rooms of a building we occupied in Arrowhead Park and the fix is simple. Since the men's room at El Chalupa is very bright and well lit, I could see right down the floor drain - and there's the problem. It was dry. On the way out, I mentioned this to the hostess - didn't seem to be a manager around - and told her the solution is as simple as pouring a few buckets of water down the drains. She said she'd pass it on so hopefully she did.

Trust me, if and when you walk in, you'll know.

Looking forward to going back. Never thought I'd say that about one of their restaurants.

posted by Foodie on Sep 24, 2014 at 09:39:28 am     #  

Has it been verified that El Camino La Chalupa is related to the other El Camino Real on Sylvania and on Woodville?

I've seen the Toledo City Paper say that they are related, but nothing on their website, Facebook, etc.

Disregard.. found a separate Facebook page specifically for La Chalupa and confirmed they are related.
https://www.facebook.com/LaChaupa43611

posted by wahhutch9 on Sep 24, 2014 at 12:33:37 pm     #  

does the PP location have a patio ?

posted by Hoops on Sep 24, 2014 at 12:47:21 pm     #  

I don't see the logic there. If I contribute money to help him open, how is it different than patronizing his establishment after it's open? Either way, I'm helping his business exist, so why is one wrong and the other right?

Johio, you've already explained how they are different with your own post.

They are different because with the latter you are receiving something in return for your money, instead of providing a handout. However, and again, you are free to do whatever you decide with your own money.

They're already late opening, and now resorting to asking for donations for equipment, so yes, I'm again skeptical that this appears to be another poorly-funded establishment that won't survive much longer than 18 months. Greater than 24 months in business will surprise me.

However, to satisfy the glass-half-full crowd here, the bright side is that they can't possibly do any worse at that location than the previous entrepreneur, who claimed to close for several days because of a broken microwave.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 24, 2014 at 01:38:47 pm     #  

Foodie, thanks for providing the cons along with the pros of establishments you visit.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 24, 2014 at 01:45:01 pm     #  

Hoops posted at 12:47:21 PM on Sep 24, 2014:

does the PP location have a patio ?

not yet, there is a large sidewalk area in front but it isn't set up for it.

posted by MIJeff on Sep 24, 2014 at 01:51:57 pm     #  

I should clarify, I don't know if they will set up a patio there.

posted by MIJeff on Sep 24, 2014 at 01:55:12 pm     #  

Actually - and not to stick my nose in the middle. But if you donate to the Kickstarter campaign you get stuff in return as well. For example - a $100 donation gets you a free private meal once opened, a $250 donation gets your name/or company name onto the grill that everyone will see.

Every donation on Kickstarter gives away something depending on donation amount. Therefore - there really isn't a difference imo.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Sep 24, 2014 at 01:59:37 pm     #   5 people liked this

6th-again (and not to beat a dead horse)-Most startups lack the savings to open a new restaurant. Even established restaurant families or small corporations finance the nearly the entirety of the operation. KS makes sense, especially when banks are being so tough to get small business loans from. I know of at least 2 new establishments that could get financing with collateral until AFTER they opened. The only difference with KS vs. going to a bank is that some people erroneously perceive it as a last ditch effort for financing, when in fact, it's a very responsible additional funding source to start a small business.

posted by ahmahler on Sep 24, 2014 at 02:24:10 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 01:45:01 PM on Sep 24, 2014:

Foodie, thanks for providing the cons along with the pros of establishments you visit.

You are welcome but I try to do that with any topic. In this case however, I'm happy to say that the major "con" is a very simple, no cost fix - just as long as someone at the restaurant follows through.

posted by Foodie on Sep 24, 2014 at 03:08:40 pm     #  

Xbuckeyex posted at 01:59:37 PM on Sep 24, 2014:

Actually - and not to stick my nose in the middle. But if you donate to the Kickstarter campaign you get stuff in return as well. For example - a $100 donation gets you a free private meal once opened, a $250 donation gets your name/or company name onto the grill that everyone will see.

Every donation on Kickstarter gives away something depending on donation amount. Therefore - there really isn't a difference imo.

"If you get something in return, it's not a donation."
-IRS

But ok.... I give. There is no difference. Kickstarter donations are transactional purchases made without regard to using philanthropy to influence change or meet a community need. No different from ordering off a menu because you are hungry. Umkay.

posted by justread on Sep 24, 2014 at 04:10:42 pm     #  

There's obviously a difference between the two in the fundamentals (one gets you a meal, one doesn't), but in terms of the context of the conversation (contributing to his kick starter to put him in business, patronizing his restaurant to keep him in business) they're fulfilling the same goal. That's all I was saying about them being the same thing, when 6th said I was a sucker for helping his KickStarter fund.

posted by Johio83 on Sep 24, 2014 at 05:21:20 pm     #   2 people liked this

I apologize if this already has been posted here.

Last week I noticed a "opening soon" sign for a Pumpernickel's Deli & Cafe at the building that where Black Kite Coffee & Pies is located on Collingwood. Does anybody have a projected opening date? Maybe another kickstarter campaign soon will be launched.

Wasn't that what was located at the current Black Kite space before it closed several years ago?

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 29, 2014 at 06:50:34 pm     #  

Pumpernickel's was originally located in the current Black Kite space, yes. It's being revived by the same owner as before, in the space he used to use as a "russian tea room." He's been talking about it since early summer but I'm not sure of his time line.

posted by upso on Sep 29, 2014 at 07:18:09 pm     #  

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