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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

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No, don't get me wrong. I take no issue with anyone's religious beliefs. It's just odd that their original business plan seemed to suggest that was a core part of their mission and at least for now is not mentioned anywhere on their social / web etc... Granted, they JUST opened! :)

The City Hub, which will house Rustbelt Coffee & Cream, whose proceeds will benefit faith-based nonprofits in the Toledo area, as well as providing office and meeting space for area nonprofits.

posted by upso on Aug 03, 2016 at 12:02:11 pm     #   2 people liked this

"Tequila Sheila's was open a couple Fridays ago, but I haven't looked since. "

I pass by every day on the way home. It was rarely ever open. It appeared that Tequila Sheila's had gone OOB completely as all signage - such as it was - was gone. Now there is a sign on the building calling it "Tacos and Tequila."

Yep, that's sure where I'd like to fill up on both - NOT.

posted by Foodie on Aug 03, 2016 at 12:27:12 pm     #  

upso posted at 12:02:11 PM on Aug 03, 2016:

No, don't get me wrong. I take no issue with anyone's religious beliefs. It's just odd that their original business plan seemed to suggest that was a core part of their mission and at least for now is not mentioned anywhere on their social / web etc... Granted, they JUST opened! :)

The City Hub, which will house Rustbelt Coffee & Cream, whose proceeds will benefit faith-based nonprofits in the Toledo area, as well as providing office and meeting space for area nonprofits.

Call me a cynic, but I tend to be dubious of faith based non profits. Often, their social agendas and mine are different. Feeding and clothing the poor is great, counseling vulnerable people towards their beliefs is a little icky, IMO. No accusations towards Rust Belt or anyone in particular, but that's what that would be me pause, 6th.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 03, 2016 at 05:08:59 pm     #   7 people liked this

ahmahler posted at 05:08:59 PM on Aug 03, 2016:
upso posted at 12:02:11 PM on Aug 03, 2016:

No, don't get me wrong. I take no issue with anyone's religious beliefs. It's just odd that their original business plan seemed to suggest that was a core part of their mission and at least for now is not mentioned anywhere on their social / web etc... Granted, they JUST opened! :)

The City Hub, which will house Rustbelt Coffee & Cream, whose proceeds will benefit faith-based nonprofits in the Toledo area, as well as providing office and meeting space for area nonprofits.

Call me a cynic, but I tend to be dubious of faith based non profits. Often, their social agendas and mine are different. Feeding and clothing the poor is great, counseling vulnerable people towards their beliefs is a little icky, IMO. No accusations towards Rust Belt or anyone in particular, but that's what that would be me pause, 6th.

yeah, so I do not have a strong opinion on this... but some of my Facebook friends do...

"Glad new things are coming to downtown, and I like the idea of supporting nonprofits, but I'm not so sold on some of the nonprofits this coffee shop donates its profits to. 😕

Requesting respectful, intelligent conversation. Please don't make me regret this."

"This place is opening up In downtown Toledo, their monies go to the "pregnancy center" which is an organization that lies to women about health care. Many of these crisis pregnancy centers are actually being shut down in other states due to their out right lies. Be aware of where you spend your $$$."

here is their "opening video" I watched this AM..
https://www.facebook.com/DowntownToledo/videos/1056390004443564/

posted by upso on Aug 03, 2016 at 09:51:09 pm     #  

My boyfriend and I walked over to Rust Belt for ice cream and coffee around 6:15 and they were closed already, they close at 6. We looked in the window and it looks really nice inside. Boyfriend was craving coffee so we went to M&B and they were closed as well, I thought they were open until 7 during the week but they close at 6. Ended up getting my car and driving to Cold Stone and Starbucks.

Someone in my building is complaining about Rustbelt and had this posted on his Facebook:
I invite all of my friends to take a look at where the money from this non-profit goes. They support, among others, The Pregnancy Center, which lies to women about abortion and their options when pregnant, and to Cherry St. Ministries, which turns away LGBT people in their time of need. Please avoid this establishment if you care about reproductive justice and LGBT equality.

posted by classylady on Aug 03, 2016 at 11:43:47 pm     #  

Slamming cherry street mission. I've seen it all now....

I'll make a special point to check them out just due to that ridiculous post, and I'm not anti-lgbt, but a huge supporter of much of the work cherry street does and have donated many hours to them over the years.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Aug 04, 2016 at 12:02:10 am     #  

Btw way because you buy ice cream there doesn't mean you don't care about lgbt. What a ridiculous leap your co-worker has made. Sad.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Aug 04, 2016 at 12:03:18 am     #   2 people liked this

Does Cherry St really turn away LGBT folks?

Thanks for the heads up about the Pregnancy Center support. One just opened this summer just off the BGSU campus called "Her Choice." No irony there, eh?

Ill be avoiding Rustbelt.

posted by swampprof on Aug 04, 2016 at 12:08:44 am     #   2 people liked this

I've never heard or seen that at the cherry street mission and I've been volunteering there for nearly 10 years. Granted it's only 4-5 times a year.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Aug 04, 2016 at 12:10:06 am     #  

Pro-life advocates aren't neccessarily always anti abortion rights or advocates of denying women access. Just like pro choice advocates aren't always pro abortion. Im not for lying about facts, but I dont see why anyone would be turned off by a simple message of pro life.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Aug 04, 2016 at 09:46:18 am     #   1 person liked this

This was the first time I have heard of the Cherry Street mission being anti-LGBTQ and when I googled it the only thing that came up to indicate anything like that was the story last year concerning a transgendered woman:

http://www.13abc.com/home/headlines/Transgender-woman-upset-after-being-kicked-out-of-shelter-309397841.html

It sounds like she was offered the opportunity to sleep in the lobby that night. I can understand why she was upset if the staff member handled it the way she claimed but it appears to have been the first time they've had that situation and the CEO is working on a solution. The CEO's statement in this story indicates to me they welcome all. I think the Cherry Street Mission is a good organization that provides a lot of help to the community.

I need to look more into the Pregnancy center and see if they really lie to women or if it was an exaggeration like saying the Cherry Street mission turns LGBT people away. If it was one of those groups that claims they help pregnant women in need but doesn't give them all the alternatives and tries to close abortion clinics then I have an issue with them.

I'm interested in what the church preaches as well. If they are anti-gay and not welcoming to the LGBT community, then the LGBT community should refuse to go there. If they trying to get laws passed to close abortion clinics then the pro-choice people should boycott them.

posted by jamesteroh on Aug 04, 2016 at 10:17:12 am     #  

Thanks for the comments about the CSM and LGBTQ folks. I know that several faith-based social service agencies do discriminate against LGBTQ folks in hiring, but not in the distribution of services (ahem, Salvation Army).

From what I know, the Pregnancy Centers do a bait and switch - they advertise themselves as counseling centers for pregnant women, but then refuse to discuss options other than carrying the fetus to term. That is their right, of course, however, the BG office at least appropriates the language of "choice" while perfunctorily limit those choices for the women who try to use their services.

posted by swampprof on Aug 04, 2016 at 11:23:30 am     #   2 people liked this

limiting

posted by swampprof on Aug 04, 2016 at 11:24:10 am     #  

BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:46:18 AM on Aug 04, 2016:

Pro-life advocates aren't neccessarily always anti abortion rights or advocates of denying women access. Just like pro choice advocates aren't always pro abortion. Im not for lying about facts, but I dont see why anyone would be turned off by a simple message of pro life.

Sorry, not to get political. Pro life wants abortion limited if not eliminated. No one is pro abortion. The other is pro choice. That is, they are in favor of a choice. Everyone, even the people having abortions, are in favor of life. There really isn't a gray area in this argument. And the notion of all of the legislation being a "women's health" issue would indicate that perhaps women shouldn't drive or walk down stairs either.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 04, 2016 at 11:26:36 am     #   3 people liked this

Not sure how a woman having an elective abortion as a simply as matter of birth control...are in favor of life. They are choosing to abort a life. Seems pretty gray, at best.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Aug 04, 2016 at 11:46:44 am     #   4 people liked this

I only reposted what another person living in my building had on his Facebook page. He is a big activist and spokesperson for the Toledo gay community and I'm sure many in the gay community will take what he posted at face value. That was the first I heard of the Cherry Street Mission being homophobic and based on what I can find it doesn't appear they discriminate against the gay community.

I have heard different things about the Pregnancy Center. Mostly negative, but again most of my friends are pro choice, as is my neighbor who posted that comment on Facebook.

We went there last night before I read that post. I'd like to know if they refuse to hire gay applicants and if they do I will simply not go there. Same if they are giving a lot of money to the Pregnancy Center and they are guilty of doing "bait and switch" I refuse to patronize Chik-Fil-A and Hobby Lobby because of their views.

posted by classylady on Aug 04, 2016 at 12:24:54 pm     #   3 people liked this

BulldogBuckeye posted at 11:46:44 AM on Aug 04, 2016:

Not sure how a woman having an elective abortion as a simply as matter of birth control...are in favor of life. They are choosing to abort a life. Seems pretty gray, at best.


Ah, one of my favorite myths. I've knows dozens of women that have had abortions, every single one of them would count the experience as one of the very worst moments of their lives. As traumatic as it is, few regret them. It's a terrible, horrible awful thing to go through. The only thing worse, is not being able to make that terrible decision because people without uterus or mistakes have decided that women use it as "birth control".

posted by ahmahler on Aug 04, 2016 at 12:33:46 pm     #   4 people liked this

Hello Swamp Bubbles!

posted by Molsonator on Aug 04, 2016 at 12:37:31 pm     #   5 people liked this

999 times out of 1000.....I just want a chicken sammich or a cup of joe, continue to treat all kinds of people, even those who I don't really "get", with respect, and go about my day. I save the social commentary for chat boards.

That 1 time out of a thousand? Normally involves a place with the wrong college football decor.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Aug 04, 2016 at 12:41:26 pm     #  

" I refuse to patronize Chik-Fil-A and Hobby Lobby because of their views."

I often wonder how many people follow through with the Chick Fil A boycott because that place is tooooooo crowded.

Personally, I think many say they will but give in since the food is so good. I am truly glad you follow through and wish more would - it would make the drive thru line less crowded for me :)

And I don't mean this in a condescending way - I truly wish more people would boycott chick-fila-a. What a gold mine to own one of those.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Aug 04, 2016 at 12:43:38 pm     #  

Molsonator posted at 12:37:31 PM on Aug 04, 2016:

Hello Swamp Bubbles!

I know, sorry.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 04, 2016 at 12:46:20 pm     #   2 people liked this

ahmahler posted at 12:33:46 PM on Aug 04, 2016:
BulldogBuckeye posted at 11:46:44 AM on Aug 04, 2016:

Not sure how a woman having an elective abortion as a simply as matter of birth control...are in favor of life. They are choosing to abort a life. Seems pretty gray, at best.


Ah, one of my favorite myths. I've knows dozens of women that have had abortions, every single one of them would count the experience as one of the very worst moments of their lives. As traumatic as it is, few regret them. It's a terrible, horrible awful thing to go through. The only thing worse, is not being able to make that terrible decision because people without uterus or mistakes have decided that women use it as "birth control".

Nowhere do I imply that all,or even a majority, or even a large percentage use it as birth control. But there certainly is a percentage that does. That cannot be disputed. Step off the soapbox, I dont think anyone wants to turn this into an extended and heated abortion discussion.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Aug 04, 2016 at 12:47:06 pm     #   1 person liked this

Has any TT member tried Rustbelt's coffee or ice cream?

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 04, 2016 at 01:00:53 pm     #  

My friend went yesterday and said the coffee was good but a little pricey.

posted by upso on Aug 04, 2016 at 01:03:23 pm     #  

Perpetuating myths receives soapboxes. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

For further reading:
https://groundedparents.com/2015/02/05/foiling-fallacies-women-who-use-abortion-as-birth-control/

Ok, Off soapbox

posted by ahmahler on Aug 04, 2016 at 01:05:44 pm     #   2 people liked this

I've knows dozens of women that have had abortions

I can only assume you are easy to talk to.

posted by justread on Aug 04, 2016 at 01:21:56 pm     #   7 people liked this

If you want Chick-Fil-A without waiting come downtown on Tuesday and Thursday. The lines looks like they move really fast but unlike most of the other food trucks, their food is already prepared.

I wonder how many people are actually boycotting Hobby Lobby. I only go there two or three times a year at most, but every time I've gone there they sure aren't hurting for customers.

As far as the post I saw it earlier this morning and can tell you that not everyone in the Toledo LGBT agrees with Nick and considers him to be their "spokesperson"

posted by jamesteroh on Aug 04, 2016 at 02:49:07 pm     #  

I wonder how many people are actually boycotting Hobby Lobby

Never been there. My hobbies run more toward scrap metal than scrapbooking.

posted by justread on Aug 04, 2016 at 03:13:50 pm     #  

Quite a few businesses that have boycotts against them thrive. Walmart has a lot of people that claim to refuse to shop there and they are the largest retailer in the world.

posted by classylady on Aug 04, 2016 at 04:27:12 pm     #  

Not to mention Take the Cake Bakery.

posted by justread on Aug 04, 2016 at 04:30:54 pm     #  

I went to Rust Belt after work.

I had the frozen espresso drink and it was pretty good. Cream, milk, espresso and vanilla flavoring.

I didn't think the prices were too bad. My drink was $4 and I'm sure I would have paid more than that at Starbucks for a similar sized Frapacianno.

Place is pretty big and I like how they have it designed. There is a room behind the coffee shop that has some antique and junk trinket like items that I think are for sale and the room behind that had some girls selling some homemade costume jewelry and there was a room to the side with a large table where some girls were working on a laptop. There were a few seats outside but no tables which they may have and not put out since it was so hot out today.

Didn't look like they had much in the way of food, I only saw two small items and I can't remember what they were.

They do pourovers and they had French pots listed at $6 on the board. I had my drink really fast but there was no in line in front of me but they had a decent crowd in there for 6:15 on a weekday downtown. They also have a parking lot but I didn't pay attention to the size since I biked over

Negatives:
No bike parking. M&B's has a couple places to lock up bikes and at Rustbelt I was forced to lock up my bike on the fence. There's really only room for one bike to get locked up the way the fence inclines beside the ramp so for a group of people biking I'd go to M&B instead. The other big negative for me is no sugar free syrups. I'm a diabetic and fortunately on an insulin pump so I just increased my dose but for a non-insulin dependent diabetic or someone watching calories or carbs I could see that being an issue. They don't use real glass/ceramic mugs like M&B, it's all plastic/paper.

I liked my drink but will probably stick to M&B. I like the staff at M&B and there's just something nice about having my drink in real glassware and not plastic and not to mention they are a lot friendlier for bike parking.

posted by jamesteroh on Aug 04, 2016 at 07:28:36 pm     #  

I think there would be way less discussion of Rust Belt, in particular on Facebook, if they had just been straight up out the gate about what their mission is.

The intentionally vague statements and lack of transparency makes me (and others, apparently) feel like they're trying to pull a fast one on us. I don't need that from a freaking coffee house, of all things.

Glad there are some really great options in Downtown and the OWE.

posted by toledolen_ on Aug 06, 2016 at 08:42:41 pm     #  

Now we want "transparency" in a coffee house? I gotta get off the grid for a while.

posted by Molsonator on Aug 07, 2016 at 09:01:07 am     #   4 people liked this

Hold the door for me Molsonator.

posted by Mariner on Aug 07, 2016 at 09:04:24 am     #   2 people liked this

Do you guys ask where all the money goes from some of the gas station owners as well????

posted by Xbuckeyex on Aug 07, 2016 at 09:32:28 am     #  

Can always find a Seinfeld reference.

posted by jr on Aug 07, 2016 at 09:42:16 am     #   3 people liked this

Molsonator posted at 09:01:07 AM on Aug 07, 2016:

Now we want "transparency" in a coffee house? I gotta get off the grid for a while.

Hold on. Did you watch the video? Read any of the press on the opening? The coffee house is touting itself as this cool hip non-profit - as a marketing tool.

So yeah! If you you want to go down that road then let us know what you support... that's kind how non-profits work, right?

posted by toledolen_ on Aug 07, 2016 at 10:09:41 am     #   1 person liked this

Xbuckeyex posted at 09:32:28 AM on Aug 07, 2016:

Do you guys ask where all the money goes from some of the gas station owners as well????

My neighborhood gas station ISN'T passing itself off as a non-profit.

I'm actually expecting those assholes to be funneling money to shady shit ;)

posted by toledolen_ on Aug 07, 2016 at 10:13:04 am     #  

More info: https://www.behance.net/gallery/29577857/The-City-Hub-Funding-Campaign-Branding

posted by toledolen_ on Aug 07, 2016 at 10:26:49 am     #  

Shady only keeps it nice and moist to be consumed by the Kool-Aid drinkers. :P Am only posting on this thread to be a part of the Guinness record account for the longest running blogfest Ever. Always a fan of non-profits and recirculating dollars. Moves the whole thing ahead bunches.

posted by Mariner on Aug 07, 2016 at 10:32:45 am     #  

Specific beneficiaries aside, there are 2 main points of contention with this concept 1) you can presume that most businesses are "for profit". When they are not, as in the case of this shop, most are very forthright about who the business benefits. Many of these are non controversial. They are choosing to leverage towards charities that many many view as controversial. 2) since they are a not for profit venture, they may have an unfair advantage on the taxes. Now, this part is pretty cloudy, and my father, who is a retired CPA, couldn't say for certain how they are structured or operating.

They choose to operate this way, probably proudly. As they do this, they open themselves up to scrutiny. It's everyone's individual choice. There's no good/ bad, but we are all allowed to make informed decisions because of their non traditional and faith based motivations.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 07, 2016 at 11:02:32 am     #  

toledolen_ posted at 10:13:04 AM on Aug 07, 2016:
Xbuckeyex posted at 09:32:28 AM on Aug 07, 2016:

Do you guys ask where all the money goes from some of the gas station owners as well????

My neighborhood gas station ISN'T passing itself off as a non-profit.

I'm actually expecting those assholes to be funneling money to shady shit ;)

Do you prefer your billion dollar firms like promedica passing itself off as a non-profit. Got it.

Stupid rust belt coffee, how dare they give money to cherry street mission!!!

posted by Xbuckeyex on Aug 07, 2016 at 11:03:59 am     #  

Problems reading? At no time did I say I took offense to where their money actually ends up.

Please reread: "I think there would be way less discussion of Rust Belt, in particular on Facebook, if they had just been straight up out the gate about what their mission is."

posted by toledolen_ on Aug 07, 2016 at 11:16:06 am     #  

Xbuckeyex posted at 11:03:59 AM on Aug 07, 2016:
toledolen_ posted at 10:13:04 AM on Aug 07, 2016:
Xbuckeyex posted at 09:32:28 AM on Aug 07, 2016:

Do you guys ask where all the money goes from some of the gas station owners as well????

My neighborhood gas station ISN'T passing itself off as a non-profit.

I'm actually expecting those assholes to be funneling money to shady shit ;)

Do you prefer your billion dollar firms like promedica passing itself off as a non-profit. Got it.

Stupid rust belt coffee, how dare they give money to cherry street mission!!!

DEFLECT! DEFLECT!

posted by slowsol on Aug 07, 2016 at 12:27:53 pm     #  

Molsonator posted at 09:01:07 AM on Aug 07, 2016:

Now we want "transparency" in a coffee house? I gotta get off the grid for a while.

Post 3k is just around the corner, so don't be away long.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 07, 2016 at 01:36:11 pm     #  

I guess the news outlets have decided to not do any follow-up reporting about the "success" of the Adams Street open refreshment area.

Sort of how they haven't had much further to say about "The success of Hensville" they reported months ago.

Obviously there are differing definitions of success.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 07, 2016 at 01:40:09 pm     #   1 person liked this

slowsol posted at 12:27:53 PM on Aug 07, 2016:
Xbuckeyex posted at 11:03:59 AM on Aug 07, 2016:
toledolen_ posted at 10:13:04 AM on Aug 07, 2016:
Xbuckeyex posted at 09:32:28 AM on Aug 07, 2016:

Do you guys ask where all the money goes from some of the gas station owners as well????

My neighborhood gas station ISN'T passing itself off as a non-profit.

I'm actually expecting those assholes to be funneling money to shady shit ;)

Do you prefer your billion dollar firms like promedica passing itself off as a non-profit. Got it.

Stupid rust belt coffee, how dare they give money to cherry street mission!!!

DEFLECT! DEFLECT!

Don't think I've deflected anything. Made it very clear that I find it absurd someone is criticizing a coffee house for donating to cherry street mission. Absolutely insane.

Yet they accept, billion dollar non-profit firms and don't question gas stations, cash only diners/bars and the like.

CRAZY! CRAZY! Maybe those people should REFLECT! REFLECT! On the positive impact they are making on the community.

This is my last comment on the matter. Best of luck to rust belt and I hope they can continue to support the fine folks at Cherry Street.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Aug 07, 2016 at 03:20:40 pm     #  

Text text text PROMEDICA!! Text text Dave Balls!!! Text text Bike lanes!! Text text Why do you hate Toledo!?!? text text Permit delays!!

No, I think I got it.

posted by slowsol on Aug 07, 2016 at 04:58:53 pm     #  

slowsol posted at 04:58:53 PM on Aug 07, 2016:

Text text text PROMEDICA!! Text text Dave Balls!!! Text text Bike lanes!! Text text Why do you hate Toledo!?!? text text Permit delays!!

No, I think I got it.

Whew. I'm glad someone gets it because I don't know what the f*ck this thread is about now. Are we talking about messaging apps?

posted by jr on Aug 07, 2016 at 06:12:02 pm     #   4 people liked this

I just want to know who Dave is and why so many people are obsessed with his balls.

posted by dell_diva on Aug 07, 2016 at 06:50:57 pm     #   2 people liked this

He's the guy who was standing next to the Queen Mum when she uttered, "Balls!" and forty thousand subjects dropped their nickers.

posted by Mariner on Aug 07, 2016 at 07:52:37 pm     #  

I don't understand why anyone is upset with vetting a business and what it does with its money, whether it is self-consciously non-profit, or just a corner store. The Circle K I visit regularly does not make charity work part of its core business values, so I perhaps stupidly assume that they are giving to organizations I support like the United Way. Maybe they are also giving to Neo-Confederates. If I find out they're pushin' the Stars and Bars, I would stop shopping there, as I have done with several other companies because their values conflict with mine. I'm not going to waste my time trying to change their minds, but I am going to let as many people know as possible so that they can wisely steward their money elsewhere.

I usually don't ask about what charities a business supports because the ones I frequent usually don't market that information. But because RustBelt very clearly DOES promote itself as a business that will support other agencies in town as part of its business plan, it seems quite normal to me to ask - OK, what are they?

I agree with Toledoen that the press about Rustbelt has been too coy about what those groups are. I have supported Cherry Street Mission directly in the past, as well as the Salvation Army and other groups. I learned that the Salvation Army refuses to hire LGBT people, though it will serve them, and so I stopped supporting them. Cherry Street Mission is also supported by a variety of religious organizations, and if it were the case that they turned away gay people, for example, I would also not support them again. If Rustbelt is sending money to anti-abortion clinics in the region, I won't give them my business, and I'll let other people in my network know of that connection. But I won't write to Rustbelt and ask them to stop; they can do as they please, as can I.

For now, i support a local nonprofit in Wood County that delivers free food to anyone in need with no added Jesus.

posted by swampprof on Aug 07, 2016 at 09:16:51 pm     #   8 people liked this

Many people do refuse to do business with private companies that donate to causes they disagree with. Chik-Fil-A and Hobby Lobby are two good examples. Unions will boycott companies such as Walmart that are anti-union and I occasionally still see signs and bumper stickers stating to boycott the Blade (I believe it's their positions on unions) and I remember in the 90's some African Americans were boycotting Denny's over their practices.

Rustbelt is owned by a pastor of a very conservative church whose beliefs I don't agree with. I'm not comfortable knowing the profits from my cup of Joe are going to support these causes. Like Swampprof said I am certainly not going to tell them to stop donating to those causes (not that it would do any good anyway) and I am not going to stand outside with a picket sign but I'm certainly not going to patronize them either.

posted by classylady on Aug 07, 2016 at 10:58:44 pm     #   9 people liked this

It was good to see a story in the local media about Rustbelt that asked these questions.

http://www.13abc.com/content/news/New-Toledo-coffee-shops-donations-questioned-by-the-community-389500571.html

posted by swampprof on Aug 09, 2016 at 11:08:31 am     #  

The questions were asked but not necessarily answered.

posted by OneMoreBourbon on Aug 09, 2016 at 11:21:41 am     #   2 people liked this

swampprof posted at 11:08:31 AM on Aug 09, 2016:

It was good to see a story in the local media about Rustbelt that asked these questions.

http://www.13abc.com/content/news/New-Toledo-coffee-shops-donations-questioned-by-the-community-389500571.html

The Toledo media and citizenry ask tougher questions about a coffee shop than it does about our local politicians who lack transparency and engage in alleged nefarious schemes to take and squander our money.

posted by jr on Aug 09, 2016 at 11:54:43 am     #   6 people liked this

I saw the story on 13 last night and they were a little more open than they were in the Blade article but were still vague in answering the questions. In the Blade article they stated that they didn't know what non-profits they were supporting which I don't think was the case at the time:
http://www.toledoblade.com/Retail/2016/08/05/Nonprofit-coffee-shop-is-couple-s-dream-business.html

They did a great job in renovating the space and the drink I had last week was good and the staff was friendly but now that I have read up more on the church and the Pregnancy Center, I'm not comfortable supporting them and I know there are plenty of people with opposite views of mine that will give them business over it.

I was at M&B's Friday after work and the lady in front of me told the girl (she may have been a manager) working the counter that M&B were going to get all her support and the support of their friends due to the non-profits Rust Belt supported. She said she was a chaplain but didn't support the non-profits Rust Belt was supporting. I drank my latte there and was talking to the employee and she said she had no knowledge that Rust Belt was supporting non-profits.

And I recommend trying the iced Downtown Latte at M&B. One of the best latte's I've ever had, it has real honey in it.

posted by jamesteroh on Aug 09, 2016 at 11:56:53 am     #   1 person liked this

I can't help but wonder if our local media would have had any interest if Rustbelt was supporting Planned Parenthood.

posted by Foodie on Aug 09, 2016 at 12:32:21 pm     #  

It's hilarious. Only Toledo, Ohio could gum up coffee and make it controversial.

Bitch about the local government and you get labeled a hater or being negative.

Bitch about a coffee shop and you are changing the world.

Maybe the social justice warriors should boycott all coffee unless it can be proven that the coffee is organic, shade-grown, and fair trade, but even that may not be good enough.

It's damn easy to make the senseless, social justice argument that if you drink coffee, then you are destroying the planet. That shit ain't grown locally. A tremendous amount of habitat has been destroyed to meet the demand. Plus think about all the energy used to produce it and ship it. Shameful beverage.

Coffee shops are nothing more than branch offices that support harming Mother Earth. Hey, that's good Facebook material. I need to spend the next 14 hours creating a witty hashtag.

posted by jr on Aug 09, 2016 at 12:50:03 pm     #   1 person liked this

That's a good and valid question! I would suspect if the opposition was as vocal you'd hear about it in the news. We're a slow news town in general so basically anything gets covered.

posted by upso on Aug 09, 2016 at 12:50:40 pm     #  

Avoiding Rustbelt is no more political or "social justice warriory" than patronizing a business because of who they support. Every time I drive by a Chik-Fil-A, and see the loooong, loooong lines, I just assume that part of their appeal is that they opposed gay rights for so long, and this is a way for people to tacitly approve of this. I'm sure plenty of people go to Chik Fil A because they think it tastes good, and don't give two sh!ts about the company's past. What's the difference?

posted by swampprof on Aug 09, 2016 at 01:09:22 pm     #   1 person liked this

swampprof posted at 01:09:22 PM on Aug 09, 2016:

Avoiding Rustbelt is no more political or "social justice warriory" than patronizing a business because of who they support. Every time I drive by a Chik-Fil-A, and see the loooong, loooong lines, I just assume that part of their appeal is that they opposed gay rights for so long, and this is a way for people to tacitly approve of this. I'm sure plenty of people go to Chik Fil A because they think it tastes good, and don't give two sh!ts about the company's past. What's the difference?

A couple of years ago, I'd say your assumption might have some validity - except the "they opposed gay rights for so long" part.
AFAIK, Dan Cathy simply voiced his opinion that he believes in traditional marriage.
Most sheeple in this country don't remember why they had their panties in a wad last week let alone two years ago.
As a gay man approaching 60, I've had years to enjoy Chik-Fil-A. It may shock you to learn that not once have they ever asked for my sexual preference before or after I placed an order. In fact, Chik-Fil-A employees are, without a doubt, the most courteous and polite wait staff I've ever encountered.
The food isn't half bad either.

posted by Foodie on Aug 09, 2016 at 01:47:01 pm     #   3 people liked this

Coffee is a red herring. They are a not for profit enterprise competing against for profit coffee shops in very close proximity. Why is it silly to question a coffee shop run by some religious type folks, while a baseball team running a restaurant can be viewed as questionable? They're both questionable and have potentially unfair advantages. Since they are a Non Profit, and many don't agree with many of their causes, it's well within their rights to question this aloud and even change their coffee purchasing habits. Let's not marginalize some of the things they stand for. Chick Fil A may be able to afford a boycott, I'm not so sure another coffee shop in a very-crowded-all-of-a-sudden-market, will. It would behoove them to clearly state their objectives and beneficiaries, because, right now, there is doubt. They are undoubtedly, coming at this from a good place. Charity, on their own, shouldn't be questioned-they are hopefully all a force for good. Charities that push agendas should be questioned.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 09, 2016 at 02:30:58 pm     #   2 people liked this

I'm sure if a charity was supporting Planned Parenthood or if the Center for Choice was still in business and Carol Dunn opened up a coffee shop the right to life supporters would be complaining and boycotting the place which would be their right.

I'm just happy we have a lot of downtown coffee choices. We have M&B, Rustbelt, Biggby, The café at the Oliver House (although they are never open when I am available to patronize them outside of Saturday), Bleak House and soon we will have Plate 21 so there are plenty of choices of places to go.

In the case of Rust Belt they are advertising themselves as a non-profit and being promoted by a church.

posted by jamesteroh on Aug 09, 2016 at 03:04:48 pm     #   1 person liked this

"Charities that push agendas should be questioned."

Wow. Where do we begin?

posted by Foodie on Aug 09, 2016 at 03:23:55 pm     #  

Foodie, my understanding about ChikFilA was that it wasn't just Dan Cathy voicing opinions, but the company through its foundation was financially supporting several anti-gay and anti-same sex marriage organizations. Here's a more recent story about the C-F-A Foundation's support of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, whose members pledge that:

"God desires His children to lead pure lives of holiness. The Bible is clear in teaching on sexual sin including sex outside of marriage and homosexual acts. Neither heterosexual sex outside of marriage nor any homosexual act constitute an alternative lifestyle acceptable to God. While upholding God’s standard of holiness, FCA strongly affirms God’s love and redemptive power in the individual who chooses to follow Him. FCA’s desire is to encourage individuals to trust in Jesus and turn away from any impure lifestyle."

https://thinkprogress.org/why-chick-fil-as-anti-lgbt-giving-is-still-a-problem-88634cd34a81#.7bkjmxipn

As an aside, here's a long blog post by someone who is not me about this topic. I'm not sure what constitutes "a lot of controversy" in these social-media days, outside of some keyboard courage (guilty!), but thought I'd pass it along.

https://smolderingwick.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/rustbelt-coffee-and-the-bigger-picture/

posted by swampprof on Aug 09, 2016 at 03:55:13 pm     #   1 person liked this

Foodie posted at 03:23:55 PM on Aug 09, 2016:

"Charities that push agendas should be questioned."

Wow. Where do we begin?

Let's not confuse missions and agendas.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 09, 2016 at 04:05:46 pm     #   6 people liked this

ahmahler posted at 04:05:46 PM on Aug 09, 2016:
Foodie posted at 03:23:55 PM on Aug 09, 2016:

"Charities that push agendas should be questioned."

Wow. Where do we begin?

Let's not confuse missions and agendas.

Oh, I'm not. There are soooooooo many non profits with hidden (or not so hidden) agendas. Far too many to list here.

posted by Foodie on Aug 09, 2016 at 04:38:57 pm     #  

Foodie posted at 04:38:57 PM on Aug 09, 2016:
ahmahler posted at 04:05:46 PM on Aug 09, 2016:
Foodie posted at 03:23:55 PM on Aug 09, 2016:

"Charities that push agendas should be questioned."

Wow. Where do we begin?

Let's not confuse missions and agendas.

Oh, I'm not. There are soooooooo many non profits with hidden (or not so hidden) agendas. Far too many to list here.

I Don't disagree with that, for sure. Some even count self preservation as one.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 09, 2016 at 06:08:57 pm     #  

It is in today's City Paper that Sandy Spangs new coffee house in the old Biggby space is going to open up in late September. I hope her schedule is better than the Maddie & Bella opening date was.

Dave Ball's dad had told me a couple months ago that she was had a liquor permit and was planning on serving tea martinis and adult coffee drinks and the City Paper said she will have craft beers. I'm sure she'll be open past 6 p.m. during the week and past 2 p.m. on Saturdays, I can't imagine she'll have a lot demand for alcohol drinks during the day.

I hope she does well with this ventures. I love Plate 21 in the South side.

posted by classylady on Aug 10, 2016 at 11:04:52 pm     #  

Mini info dump-

Blade confirms previosuly mentioned second location for Plate 21, possibly called plate 1, will serve alcohol and be open at night
http://www.toledoblade.com/Retail/2016/06/24/Councilman-plans-new-coffeehouse-downtown.html

Mickey Finn's for Auction-includes Liquor Lic, Stage, etc...
http://bethroseauction.com/mikey-finns-pub-at-auction/#toggle-id-2

Also-a friend just mentioned 2 new coming soon businesses/restaurants on Adam's St:
Adam's Street Café opening in the former Ranya's location
Maric's at 614 Adam's St-no idea what this place is going to be.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 12, 2016 at 04:28:13 pm     #  

Claro Coffee will also be opening at some point on Adams. Can't remember the intersection, but somewhere around 18th-ish. I pass the "coming soon" sign on my way into work, so that's about the extent of my knowledge of it.

posted by Johio83 on Aug 13, 2016 at 08:17:01 am     #  

One has to wonder how downtown can possibly support so many coffee shops.

posted by Foodie on Aug 14, 2016 at 04:52:46 am     #  

We are DEFINITLY at capacity.

posted by upso on Aug 14, 2016 at 01:38:10 pm     #  

Rustbelt seemed to have a nice crowd most of Saturday afternoon

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Aug 15, 2016 at 11:26:35 am     #  

It was just pointed out that in a recent ad for Cocina De Carlos ( http://www.cocinadecarlos.com/ ) they hint at a new location on Adams Street.

Does anyone have an idea where they may be opening up? I'm assuming they'd go closer to Down Town but the ad specifically calls out UPTOWN.

posted by upso on Aug 25, 2016 at 01:42:32 pm     #  

meh. Close them all down. They are all just dens for potential felons.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Aug 26, 2016 at 10:20:57 am     #  

I see the signs are removed already at the old Lunch Hour/Galaxy on Erie and Adams. Did it even open? If it did it didn't last more than a week or two.

posted by classylady on Aug 26, 2016 at 10:53:55 am     #  

BulldogBuckeye posted at 10:20:57 AM on Aug 26, 2016:

meh. Close them all down. They are all just dens for potential felons.

what?

posted by upso on Aug 26, 2016 at 11:50:53 am     #  

upso posted at 11:50:53 AM on Aug 26, 2016:
BulldogBuckeye posted at 10:20:57 AM on Aug 26, 2016:

meh. Close them all down. They are all just dens for potential felons.

what?

All the bars and restaurants that serve alcohol. Felon bait.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Aug 26, 2016 at 12:59:18 pm     #  

BulldogBuckeye posted at 12:59:18 PM on Aug 26, 2016:
upso posted at 11:50:53 AM on Aug 26, 2016:
BulldogBuckeye posted at 10:20:57 AM on Aug 26, 2016:

meh. Close them all down. They are all just dens for potential felons.

what?

All the bars and restaurants that serve alcohol. Felon bait.

still.... What?

posted by ahmahler on Aug 26, 2016 at 02:00:14 pm     #   1 person liked this

ahmahler posted at 02:00:14 PM on Aug 26, 2016:
BulldogBuckeye posted at 12:59:18 PM on Aug 26, 2016:
upso posted at 11:50:53 AM on Aug 26, 2016:
BulldogBuckeye posted at 10:20:57 AM on Aug 26, 2016:

meh. Close them all down. They are all just dens for potential felons.

what?

All the bars and restaurants that serve alcohol. Felon bait.

still.... What?

Cross-promotion? :D

http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/205869/26Aug2016/Felons_Abound

posted by justread on Aug 26, 2016 at 02:17:26 pm     #   1 person liked this

Kobe Bay is again open for business.

Great timing for them and use those Groupon's if you have them.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 07, 2016 at 06:05:06 pm     #  

Hopefully the second time around, they've corrected their weaknesses, including the Christmas tree, and remain open more than a few months.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 07, 2016 at 06:08:41 pm     #  

Oh nice. Thanks for the update!

posted by upso on Sep 07, 2016 at 06:22:28 pm     #  

Was at Maddie & Bella's after work. They have a fall drink menu starting Monday and she showed me the sign with the drinks. One is an apple cold brew that is part cider and part cold brew. The other drinks looked really good as well

posted by jamesteroh on Sep 10, 2016 at 12:23:25 am     #  

BUSINESS CLOSING SALE - Toledo City Paper's Best of Toledo 2015 winner, Vintage Vibes, is closing its doors - please message facebook.com/vintagevibestoledo with questions or image requests. All items pictured in the flyer are still for sale.

Thank you, Uptown and Greater Toledo, for some real good times...

This place never had a chance in that dead zone. The sale will be this Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 12, 2016 at 06:01:00 am     #  

The City Paper is sort of a kiss of death.

It's the same paper that wrote a ridiculous article about Martini & Nuzzi's Downtown during 2015.

http://www.toledocitypaper.com/July-Issue-3-2015/Martini-Nuzzis-is-the-new-live-music-destination/#Food%20&%20Wine

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 12, 2016 at 06:03:12 am     #  

Maybe someone could put in a coffee shop there. That's really what Downtown needs.

posted by Molsonator on Sep 12, 2016 at 06:34:56 am     #  

Early last decade, Adams Street had probably the funkiest coffee shop around. It was called It's All Good Jahva House.

posted by jr on Sep 12, 2016 at 08:41:23 am     #  

"Toledo City Paper's Best of Toledo 2015 winner, Vintage Vibes"

"It's the same paper that wrote a ridiculous article about Martini & Nuzzi's Downtown during 2015."

There should be a distinction in how the City Paper functions here: articles are paid-for editorials. Contests (Dining Guide, Best of Toledo, etc) are entirely vote-driven by readers. The fact that they wrote a piece on Martini & Nuzzi's means that M&N was trying to drum up some business, and bought an ad in the form of an article in the City Paper. Vintage Vibes winning an award at Best of Toledo means they were voted as such by readers.

posted by Johio83 on Sep 12, 2016 at 09:44:53 am     #   1 person liked this

Warehouse district is having a walk called "wander the warehouse" Sunday from noon to 4. If anyone is going you can get a discount code for $8 on the ValPak site.

They are going to tour a couple residential properties as well including the property being renovated on Broadway across from Oliver House.

posted by classylady on Sep 12, 2016 at 10:06:55 am     #  

You'll also get to go in and see the progress inside the Berdan Building on the tour

posted by Johio83 on Sep 12, 2016 at 10:14:08 am     #  

6th_Floor posted at 06:01:00 AM on Sep 12, 2016:

BUSINESS CLOSING SALE - Toledo City Paper's Best of Toledo 2015 winner, Vintage Vibes, is closing its doors - please message facebook.com/vintagevibestoledo with questions or image requests. All items pictured in the flyer are still for sale.

Thank you, Uptown and Greater Toledo, for some real good times...

This place never had a chance in that dead zone. The sale will be this Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

I've heard there's another clothing store opening up in the same space.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Sep 12, 2016 at 10:20:25 am     #  

I know this to be true.

posted by upso on Sep 12, 2016 at 10:50:49 am     #  

"I know this to be true."

Did you search your feelings?

posted by Johio83 on Sep 12, 2016 at 11:23:01 am     #   2 people liked this

My friend is opening the shop!

posted by upso on Sep 12, 2016 at 11:36:15 am     #   1 person liked this

One of DT's various "coming soon" businesses appears to have scrapped plans.

Marie's diner/cafe @ 614 Adams (facing left from Bleakhouse) has removed all the signs from the entrance.

It's likely a wise move for them based upon the location's track record of business failures.

It also appears that Eddie B. has scrapped his plans for a deli next to Blarney...the "coming soon" sign was removed at least a couple months ago after being there for greater than a year.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 13, 2016 at 06:31:33 pm     #  

classylady posted at 10:53:55 AM on Aug 26, 2016:

I see the signs are removed already at the old Lunch Hour/Galaxy on Erie and Adams. Did it even open? If it did it didn't last more than a week or two.

Yeah. They barely got the grill hot before going out of business.

By the time City Paper printed it had opened, it already was out of business.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 13, 2016 at 06:36:48 pm     #  

Bummer about the Eddie B. deli update. I was really looking forward to checking that out! I know they were going to use half of the space for a Blarney kitchen expansion. I wonder if that got bigger?

posted by upso on Sep 13, 2016 at 09:47:51 pm     #  

I know they'd put things on hold to go back to the drawing board a few months ago, because the space wasn't working out for the amount of stuff they wanted to be able to do with it. I don't know where they're going from here - if it's just being scrapped, looking for a different location, what they plan to do with the space now, etc.

posted by Johio83 on Sep 14, 2016 at 09:27:03 am     #  

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