Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

ONE idiot said: Perhaps they were driving by intending to eat there but the creepy evil Wil Wheaton on a bike leering in taking pictures may not be what that person wished to experience during their dining outing.

I don't ride a bike downtown. I drive a car. And I'm well enough dressed.

The reality here that you're avoiding saying is that there's another form of street life that drives people away. It rhymes with "Blacks".

But hey, enough reality for now. I'll take credit from your assertions for single-handedly destroying retail activity downtown. I did it. Me, GuestZero. So, I'll gladly setup a Paypal account for receiving payments from downtown retail owners for outright bribes to stay away. I'm cheap; I'll only need $10000 or so in total donations each year to avoid the downtown entirely that year. As taxes go, that's a deal. And then customers will flood back into Table 44 like it was 2006 again. Really, I should charge more, but I'm not greedy. (Greed is the problem of your class of person, ONE idiot.)

Always a good reminder. I'm overdue at Registry.

ONE idiot said: I would recommend eating at Table Forty4 before posting trash-talk about them. Judge their food and service for yourself.

Why would I need to? Most of Toledo has already judged, either directly (by staying away due to disdain) or indirectly (by staying away because they're struggling to pay bills). I was just noting its failure. Oh wait, I forgot, Toledoans check here a lot to see my views on restaurants. GuestZero the creepy restaurant slayer. Surely there's some municipal law[*] that would allow me to be prosecuted for my terrible effect on the local economy.

[*] Oh shit, there's that First Amendment thing. Drat! Fucking teabaggers!

I looked at The Registry's website and menu and they look fantastic, I'm definitely going to give them a try. Really nice looking interior!

I'm going to give Table Forty4 a shot myself before I judge them, but thier website is suspended and there have been no facebook updates since 2011.

Again, I am an outsider here, but it looks to me like the owners of Table Forty4 have just given up...which is on them, not downtown business development and the viability of downtown ion general. You can conflate the two all you want, Guest Zero, but that still doesn't mean they are related.

It looks like they haven't paid their taxes since their business turned down a couple years ago. So, they're struggling. Perhaps they'll close and it will be unfortunate if they do. Not somethign to celebrate. The fact that they're still trying to hang on says something, if nothing more than for stoicism which should impress you phony modern conservatives cause you guys beat your head against so many brick walls repeatedly, it's no wonder you have brain damage.

In the restaurant world, there are three bridges you have to cross. The one year, the three year and the five year. The first year is the hardest to make it through, and most restaurants fail during the first three years. If you make it to the five year mark and are still turning a profit and your profits are on a noticable rise, then you're doing good. If you're just breaking even, then you're probably looking at what your business is going to look like for the long-run without significant changes. Many people just start slacking off once they're breaking even. They relax instead of buckling down and trying harder. That's a mistake that many many many many restauranteurs make and it signals the five year failure of many food service establishments.

I went to Table Forty Four last summer before a Mud Hens game during one of my trips to Toledo. It was good. Nothing special in my mind, but good. There are some outstanding places downtown, but I just don't consider them in that category.

I do have a big problem with them not paying taxes, though. The fact that they reap the benefits of taxes (especially with them being a commercial business), don't pay, and aren't punished by the appropriate municipality really bothers me.

Table44 had the potential to do some very cool stuff, but generally suffered from a boring menu and mediocre service. A shame, too - very cool location and atmosphere otherwise. The food is... fine.

The real surprise for me was the newly renovated Durty Bird - their food is kind of great. Interesting, fun menu, great flavors, and very good specials. Highly recommend checking them out too.

From ONEVillageIsAwesome: Again, I am an outsider here, but it looks to me like the owners of Table Forty4 have just given up...

You know, it does appear that the owners may be throwing in the proverbial towel. Look up Table Forty4 on Google maps and read a few of the comments, and by that I mean the negative comments. The place showed lousy service, and that's something that will put you out of business faster than the IRS. Well, maybe not faster, but arguably much more painfully. Customers may come in, but they won't be back. A few may leave without ordering.

From ONEVillageIsAwesome: We pay our taxes on time becayuse [because - MJ] we want good schools and a good library.

Just exactly what 'we' are you talking about? If this is you and your Significant Other, that's one thing. If you're referring to the general public, that's something entirely different - in more ways than one.

People don't pay property tax because they want a better infrastructure. They pay because they have no choice - if they want to keep their property. Otherwise the government will seize it and sell it for the tax debt.

From EndCycle: ...and their bartenders know how to make excellent cocktails.

I'm going to hold you to that, and we shall see.

I love the Durty bird! I think they have one of the best chicken chunks around town. I also enjoy the "Durty" Sauce!

ohhhh and I had a bloody mary there once and they guy that made it added a splash of Guinness and it was delicious!!!

_IDinspired said: I understand that a forum like this isn't set up for that - just wishful thinking on my part.

It's more than wishful thinking, it's delusional thinking. People respond to what I say not because they see my words, it's because they know full well that other people see my words._

I'll respond just this once, since you've called me out. I do skip over you. As I said, I've started reading the poster before the post because of your desire to spew your repetitive narrow minded thoughts over and over on nearly every topic and every thread. It must be nice to know everything about every topic and always be correct. It also must be sad to spend so much time and effort to tell everyone how wrong they are and how right you are.

I know I've stopped reading TT as much since you've felt the need to constantly enlighten all of us with your wisdom - I wonder how many others have done the same?

Feel free to respond (as we all know you can't help yourself), but I'll just continue with my delusional, wishful thinking.

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Actually, given Toledo's history on tax foreclosures and the sheer volume of delinquent properties in the city, I'm not really worried about the city or county taking our place, the guy who lives behind us owes 37,000 in back property taxes on his dilapidated residential properties that he refuses to fix and we can't even beg the county to foreclose on him...we've tried. So, in essence we ( by that I mean my business partners and myself) pay our taxes because we are more interested in better infrastructure than fear of foreclosure.

We also reap the benefits of paying taxes so we really should, as a matter of civic responsibility, pay our taxes.

Registry Bisto: Greater Toledo Restaurant Aficionados Group link update: https://www.facebook.com/groups/GTRAG/

The lack of punishment on your neighbor is absurd. Would his house even fetch $37,000 on the market? That's probably why he's not paying. That, and knowing that he won't suffer any consequences from not paying.

With the amount of open lots in the Vistula area and the crummy/abandoned condition of many others, it would be a prime area for a "town center" redevelopment by an ambitious developer if Toledo had better population projections. That has been done to a lot of old cotton mills and other factory neighborhoods in the southeast.

He owns several properties, all of the blighted all of them uninhabitable and all of tax delinquent since the late 90's/early 2000's. None of his houses would get anywhere near what the tax delinquency on them is, and all of them were worth close to full market value when he acquired the properties. He is simply a lazy, crazy, property hoarder (like some people hoard houses till they are full of crap, he has multiple properties like that and some of them he has drug addicts and alcoholics squatting in for "security")

I'm on the board of the Vistula Historic Foundation and that is exactly one of the redevelopment ideas we have been floating around. One of the ideas is to convert that empty lot where the old elementary school at Lagrange and Erie used to be into a community garden park that has elements of community gardening interpsersed with the decorative elements of a public park. We are also actively seeking qualified end-users for the Lucas County Land Bank programme for new homeowners looking to live in a historic district and don't mind a "project house" which even our location is.

There are actually financial incentives to move into Vistula and grants available from United North and various other historical organizations for rehabbing a house in Vistula it's just that the only people who have been taking advantage of those programmes are folks who have converted beautiful Victorian housing stock into Section 8 housing and are currently getting market rate rents for even though it is sec8.

Perfect, jr. Thank you!

Thanks jr! Big improvement.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2013/05/23/Toledos-population-slips-again.html

OVA, since you've been here since 2009, why haven't you and your flock reversed this trend yet?

Well Captain Loudmouth, Toledo has been shrinking for 30 years.

With all the vigor you portray posting here, I am expecting to see some results...eventually. I won't be holding my breath, tho.

I haven't had much time to post, but regarding T44, if they aren't going to pay their property taxes, then any bad light placed on them is good news. We don't need deadbeats competing with prudent business owners paying their bills.

UPSO whined: dude you're just getting boring

You already know what you're going to read when you see a post from GZ. A practical solution would be to quit reading his posts and/or this thread.

What's equally boring is the same level of homer-ish drivel while Toledo languishes.

JOhio, go flip through your rolodex and figure out why Fort on the River closed in less than 6 weeks.

While you're at it, let us know about the latest rumors about the next Fortune 500 company relocating in WHD.

Oh wait! I forgot that WHD first needs a grocery store? That's the final piece before the area REALLY takes off!

Meanwhile back in Realityville, even convenience stores can't keep their doors open in the area.

idinspired said: It must be nice to know everything about every topic and always be correct.

It is, actually. That's supposedly why we seek education and make use of 5-1/2 pounds of brain. Why, what did you think education and 100 billion neurons were for? Making money? Personally I'm finding my billions and billions of very active neurons are being used for schadenfreude.

idinspired said: It also must be sad to spend so much time and effort to tell everyone how wrong they are and how right you are.

It is, really. We live in a highly delusional society. Reality will fix all this soon enough, so that's something to look forward to. I know I'm looking forward to it. The anguished cries of the foreclosed and the bankrupt hearten me today, for I told them all (often in this very forum; check the archives) that all this was going to happen. Look, it's still happening:

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2013/05/23/Toledos-population-slips-again.html

Toledo's 2012 est. population of 284K matches her first population upswing period to almost 1929. (Toledo lost population during the First Great Depression. So it figures that in this Second Great Depression we're losing again, except this is more severe.) The depopulation will continue to happen; Toledo's population will drop to the 1910s level at least. That means less money. Less business. Less employment. So it means we'll do less with less. The wise man foresees the future and prepares for it. So... are you a wise man, Idinspired?

Works good, lasts a long time. Thanks JR.

idinspired said: It must be nice to know everything about every topic and always be correct.

It is, actually. That's supposedly why we seek education and make use of 5-1/2 pounds of brain. Why, what did you think education and 100 billion neurons were for? Making money? Personally I'm finding my billions and billions of very active neurons are being used for schadenfreude.

Well, we're not always correct, are we, GZ?

http://www.toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/138854#139034

But when we're called out as 100% wrong...well, we just run away like a scared little bitch and pretend the whole thing never happened, instead of addressing the challenge. Am I right?

ONE idiot said: There are actually financial incentives to move into Vistula and grants available from United North and various other historical organizations for rehabbing a house in Vistula it's just that the only people who have been taking advantage of those programmes are folks who have converted beautiful Victorian housing stock into Section 8 housing and are currently getting market rate rents for even though it is sec8.

Well well well. Imagine that. A government program gone awry. Who could have foreseen that?

Why, people like me. I keep telling people that the property market needs to float on individual measures. Few people listen to this. This is why we tolerated the creation of the largest financial crash in all of Human history, bar none. And it's still raging.

If the City of Toledo wanted to incentivize people to move into a certain area, then it had to directly put a stop to the stuff that drove people away: Crime and Black racism and the welfare state. Sadly, the CoT has only acted to promote crime, Black racism and welfare.

There's only one way to continue to enjoy the benefits of a culture created by regulated finance, a strong rule of law, and respect for private enterprise: And that's to regulate, enforce and get out of the way of business. Yes, it's totally possible to regulate (minimally) and yet get out of the way of business. This is news to both major parties, but still.

FYI, Mulvaney's Bunker on Dorr Street soon will be reopening. I expected this to happen, since the place always seemed to have business.

I stopped at Jominic's Subs on Adams this afternoon for one of their $4 dollar subs. The largest "crowd" was a whopping 3...and that includes myself. So much for the lie that they have "out the door" lines at lunchtime. I was there @ 12:30.

I would like to again plug that it's a pretty good sub priced at $4. Unfortunately they have to compete with Subway and another place I believe named JJ's...both within a stone's throw.

Unless Subway improved their bread, which lately has been pretty stale at the Point Place store just about anyone can beat them as far as something tasty.

There it was again... It's like a giant sucking sound...

Jimmy Johns had $1 subs yesterday...

yeah... I have no idea how jominic's is doing, but yesterday would have been rough for any restaurant within walking distance of Jimmy John's: http://www.toledoblade.com/Food/2013/05/24/Jimmy-John-s-crowded-for-1-deal.html

Jimmy John's rocks. I wish the managers would treat their employees better, but their food is far superior to Subway....and they deliver. I wonder what the repeat customer count will rise to after this promotion?

I saw the $1 sign. Again, with 3 sub shops within 1.5 blocks of each other, it's going to be tough to earn a profit.

I went downtown for a few beers last night after posting here. Other than the Adams Street bars in Uptown, and C'n'B, downtown was a total morgue.

@ 12:15 Durty Bird, Homeslice Pizza, & T44 all were CLOSED. Not exactly the sign of hopping watering holes...especially a Thursday night. Wesleys completely dead. Bronze Boar appeared to have less customers than I have fingers.

Other bars nearby downtown were also shuttered at approximately 12:15-12:30-ish. Mickey Finn's closed, Frankies closed, Main Street (former Main Event) was open but doubt it had enough patrons to cover the electric bill.

I ended up settling in at Fricker's and had a few drafts...about 8 people were there.

huh.. when I left the blarney last night at 9 there were over 300 people out celebrating "Jam City"
I stopped by the Attic on the way home and it was packed as well. There are people out, you're just clearly going to the wrong places. :) it's all about perspective dude

I mentioned the Adams corridor wasn't dead (except Wesley's).

When I drove by shortly after midnight, there were approximately 25 people at Blarney.

There isn't anything related to perspective regarding what I saw...it's a fact that several bars were closed shortly after midnight. You know that if doing well, bars such as T44 should still be open at 12:15 on Thursday night.

Attic was "packed" even though the overflow lot was empty? Yeah, ok upso. It looked like a decent crowd, but I've seen much better there and so have you.

I realize you rarely, if ever say anything negative about a downtown business. However, you've been hanging out @ Attic long enough to know how many cars used to be in that lot. Not only weekends, but Wed & Thurs nights as well.

There weren't any cars parked in the overflow lot after midnight and the regular lot had some open spaces, too. I still see the overflow lot being used occasionally, but their business clearly is less than prior years.

You're talking midnight, I'm talking 9pm.

My experience last night downtown was lovely and packed with people. I was in bed by 11am.

Sorry I didn't have the same experience you had.

in bed by 11pm that is!

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SMH, wtf does it take to receive a 2* or 1* from you UPSO? Seriously, what happened at the 2* and 1* places you patronized?

Holy shit man, I could have used more college professors like you back in the day.

You're averaging about 2% D & F grades and your posting here about perspective? LOL

Well put UPSO!

We could give 6th_Bore some perspective by putting him into the Total Perspective Vortex...

UPSO, really: What's the point of a quality-assurance system if it's biased against negative data?

I stopped @ Jominic's Subs again today shortly after noon...during the alleged by another Toledo Talk downtown homer " slammed and lined up out the door" lunchtime rush hour.

Well, there never was a "line" greater than ONE and the greatest customer count inside the restaurant never surpassed FOUR, so a "rush" didn't materialize today.

Also, the sandwich quality was much poorer than my previous visits. Quite a bit of lettuce without much meat. I doubt I'll be returning for a while, if ever. My advice for them is to increase the sandwich price to $5, lighten up on the lettuce and increase the meat a bit.

Using Upso-style yelp star ratings, the place still would receive a 4 or maybe 5.

However, I'm more of a realist and call them how I see them, so my actual star rating Jominic's is going to be 2 stars. The place is locally owned, the price still is good, but the product today was quite lacking.

Add another one to the downtown "Another one bites the dust" list.

Jefferson Diner @ 1220 Jefferson has closed.

Although I'm not sure how long ago the place closed, all the windows are covered. Additionally, the phone number painted on the building has been disconnected.

Areis data shows the property taxes are current.

6th man... you're killing me.

"Using Upso-style yelp star ratings, the place still would receive a 4 or maybe 5."

As stated above, I try (for the most part) to only post about things I think people should check out. Negative comments I take straight to management as I would hope my customers would do for me! :)

From Upso: As stated above, I try (for the most part) to only post about things I think people should check out. Negative comments I take straight to management as I would hope my customers would do for me! :)

Which I can appreciate. My thought was about the review you gave Angelo's Northwood Villa. I've spent considerable time at Angelo's, and I think you're being a bit generous about the food quality. The service can vary from four and a half stars to one star.

The thing is, Angelo's is not in the same class as, say, Rose and Thistle, but by your review both places are interchangeable.

the places ARE interchangeable in my mind.

i've only been to both restaurants you mention once in the past 5 years and had lovely experiences both evenings. reviews are based on both food and ambiance and whatever else happens along the way. so for example, angelo's food was great (for what it was) but i LOVED the atmosphere. flip side is, my meal was much better at the rose and thistle but the actual atmosphere didn't do as much for me.

this is yelp mind you. i'm not a professional reviewer. :)
if this was the new york times food review, they probably wouldn't even touch angelo's with a ten foot pole. me, hell... i'll eat anywhere and try anything. and more than likely i'll yelp about it.

there are a few yelp threads on TT if you'd like to talk more about this.

sums it up nicely!

Veritas, I don't hate downtown. What I dislike is all the homerism and boondoggle. How many times do I have to post here that I have been patronizing downtown bars and restaurants for quite a long time.

It's sort of how yourself and other folks at TT hate this thread, but continue reading and posting.

Is it at all possible that downtown is still a tough market and yet be on a comparative upswing in recent years?

^^^ Nope. Used as an excuse too often and for too long.

Nolan, that seems to be the way it has worked in other cities in recent times past. Especially during periods of downtown revitalisations. Pretty much every city that "reurbanised" has gone through similar steps and stages.

UPSO said: Negative comments I take straight to management as I would hope my customers would do for me!

How does that help (or yelp) the rest of us? We don't know, if you don't tell us on Yelp.

Once again: What's the point of a quality-assurance system if it's biased against negative data? A system packed only with positive information is uniformly useless to consumers.

Nolan said: Is it at all possible that downtown is still a tough market and yet be on a comparative upswing in recent years?

As fueled by taxpayer subsidies? And highly repetitive as well documented by Jr? Hell no. You haven't been around long enough to know, and you certainly don't demonstrate knowledge of your own employer's archives about decades of documented plans for development that never panned out (and will never pan out).

Hide. Thanks jr.

GZ: yelp works because some people only post positive stuff, some people only post negative stuff, some people only post once, and some people just read the posts. it's the internet. it works itself out.

DT Toledo is indeed a step up from tumbleweeds, AC. But that's still not viable economic activity. You can't find tumbleweeds in Detroit either. There's a lesson there for you, assuming Liberals can learn, which isn't a good bet.

6th_Floor has already taken the steps to watch the economic activity that's happening. I've done the same to a lesser degree. The conclusion is that it's not enough for the outlets that are there. There are too many bars, restaurants, shops and galleries to be serviced by customers.

I doubt you even slowed down to notice those details, AC. Or, you have some ideological barrier against admitting it. Some combination thereof, I posit. Your latter factor was ever my thesis here.

I didn't mention this earlier this year, since I haven't asked about it or looked often enough to know if it was officially closed.

After a couple last gasps, it appears that Mickey Finns has finally has bitten the dust.

Finns was closed tonight on a Friday night. Also, I was told by a friend Friday afternoon that whoever was leasing the bar for a while didn't work out, so Mickey finally threw in the towel. It'll be available for special events, but the bar is closed. He more or less owns the entire block and it's all for sale.

UPSO replied about MF: __It's still going strong. I have several friends working there, and they are still employed.
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! posted by upso on Jan 15, 2012 at 03:07:12 am # +

Of course I didn't believe MF was "going strong" when I questioned if the bar would soon close last year, but I must ask where are your friends formerly employed by MF working now?

Thanks for the update upso. It matches what my friend told me Mickey decided. I'm assuming that Innovation Concerts lack of paying rent had a lot to do with the contract being breached.

Tequila Sheila's also was absent activity last night at 11pm. If a similar situation exists tonight, it's probably a safe bet to add Tequila Sheila's to the "Another one bites the dust" list.

On a brighter note, it appears some sort of art business will be opening on St. Clair where Fine Things Bistro was located.

Tequila Sheila's Bar @ Monroe & Erie Street again was closed Saturday night, so it appears to be out of business.

This afternoon I noticed antique/gift store named "Rare Finds on Adams LLC" has left downtown and moved to 1414 N. Reynolds.

A sign in the window states the last day of business was 6-15 and they would be re-opening in July on Reynolds Road.

I cannot recall a weekend where I saw less activity downtown. Blarney & Table44 didn't even bother opening today for potential Father's Day business.

Rare Finds on Adams LLC formerly operated at 1501 Adams...across the street from Manhattan's.

If you think things are going really well, and then suddenly the doors are padlocked, then the rational man goes back and examines why the heck he ever thought things were going really well.

6th... that's interesting. the blarney was closed? their website says they should have been open: http://www.theblarneyirishpub.com/contact-hours.aspx
their facebook page makes no mention of being closed: https://www.facebook.com/blarneytoledo

I checked table 44's website and yikes: http://www.tableforty4.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi
their account has been suspended! their facebook page hasn't been updated since november of last year: https://www.facebook.com/TableForty4

as for the antique shops on adams... i'm not surprised one of them has moved. While personally I loved the location as it was on my way home from work... every time I visited it was beyond dead / empty. Hope they find better luck in their new Reynolds local. Only clarification I would make is that rarefinds was in "uptown" not "downtown" :) not that it matters either way!

Upso, I was downtown a few different times Sunday and Blarney wasn't open. Their posted business hours state Sundays are "Special events only."

Pizza Papalis looked like it benefited from the lack of competition in the immediate area.

Regarding T44, it's long past time to assign it dead man walking status. Not only are they not paying property taxes, lacking crowds, now they aren't even maintaining a website or their FB page.

Maybe drop them a hint to change their business hours at their facebook page, to match what's posted in their front window sign and their actual operating hours?

Well T44 appears to be doing business right now, so GZ and 6th, why don't you call them and ask about the website, Facebook, and taxes? Or are you chicken? I double dog dare you.

Why would I need to ask T44 about their taxes? I pay taxes to a government that's supposed to collect taxes from everyone without bias, without fail. Why aren't they doing that in T44's case? Levy, then seize, then auction it off. Drive that price down.

I passed by Bleak House Coffee (should have been called Bleak Coffee House, but I digress) today at 830am. Prime time for morning coffee, AC. I specifically walked from my car to the front glass and creepily peered in just to make the barista fear for her life and maidenhead. So, care to guess how many customers were packed in there?

TWO. LOL!

The Spitzer and Nicholas buildings are done, like dinner. You cheerleaders avoid that new part of the downtown desolation. A new economy is not being constructed. What's happening downtown is a bunch of moving things around so that you people have something to rah-rah about.

Chester the Middle Englishman. :)

I knew you'd like the verbiage. I speak of course to refined gentlemen who understand the country matters whereof I speak.

You still could have called and asked about the website and Facebook, GZarthy. Or call the tax collections office about the back taxes, since that's such a huge issue for you and The Blah is failing at investigating it. I'd make "bawk bawk" noises at you for being a chicken, but you'd think it was a come-on.

I'm not sure why I typed "Rare Finds" because the actual name is "Great Finds on Adams LLC." A second store also existed there named "Valentine Vintage" but it's also moving to Reynolds Road.

Bleakhouse is so dead and empty I saw an employee or patron sleeping there Saturday afternoon. LOL

Jominic's has added Saturday hours via their "Summer schedule." There wasn't a single customer there Saturday when I was in the area. Unfortunately, I don't see 2014 being part of Jominic's future.

From the TT posting guidelines:

"don't troll, which means posting inflammatory messages for the sole purpose of baiting others to argue the points until blue in the face. People "troll" for kicks and to destroy conversations and communities. Intelligent discussion and debate is preferred."

Apparently GuestZero making rape jokes about real people doesn't cross the line. All of the visitors to this site that do not have accounts see the filth that many have hidden from view.

You may have taken away part of his audience jr, but he still has a medium. I hope I'm not the only one who thinks such posts "destroy conversations and communities."

Brian posted: __Apparently GuestZero making rape jokes about real people doesn't cross the line. All of the visitors to this site that do not have accounts see the filth that many have hidden from view. __

What GZ typed was in response to all the ridiculous posts by others regarding observing business activity. There are hundreds of weirdos wandering downtown daily...GZ is the least of their worries.

Bleakhouse has very little business, and will close when Ciolek tires of the monthly burning of his earned cash.

AC, you are one of 3 people I have on block here at TT.

So, I no longer see or read your posts.

What you think about me never mattered, and what's awesome is I no longer have to read most of your trolling nonsense here.

Cheers :)

Sohio said: Can't understand why more people don't hang out in these places. Random creeps leering in the windows is a selling point in more chic locales than Toledo...

It's not the random 'creeps' that put people off. It's the nutty Black people wandering around downtown like a zombie horde, dressed in literal rags, and muttering something that sounds like "gimme change" or "gimme brains" (they sound so similar). Glad to finally get one of you Liberals to even admit that it's even possible that a population of undesirable people can cause the degradation of such an urban area. What remains is for you to admit that it's not a well-dressed White fellow like myself that's to blame. There aren't even that many of those downtown, visually speaking. So it's another class of person. Slowly the truth will hit you.

Ac (ever the fan) said: You two schmucks GET OFF on the closing of small businesses while spouting nearly every line of the oh-so-business-friendly Republican/Libertarian platform.

I can't speak for 6F, but I enjoy watching economic rationality asserting itself brutally on those who long denied it. Open up a business downtown, particularly a retail one, and you're doing one of the most stupid things ever.

As for 'schmuck', your yarmulke is showing. Oy vey iz mir, oh weh! What a nebbish.

(LOLs mandatory.)

AC (riding coattails) said: What kind of demented sickos do you have to be to indiscriminately cheer on small businesses to fail?

Oh, I'm not indiscriminate. I observe, judge, then laugh as required by sound criteria. There's space for some coffee houses, restaurants, bars and hotels downtown. Some. No question. But that space is smaller than what we have today. That's what Toledo's economic energy supports.

BTW, I checked Giammarco's long-slogging location at 611 Monroe St and noticed there's no current tax information there at all. The Summary page lists nothing for current taxes, not even zeroes. The Current Taxes tab says "[t]here is no current collection information on file for this parcel". Seems like a pretty sweet deal for Giammarco... but that seems a little odd, for if what's going on there is slated to be soooooo successful, then why has his tax obligation been zeroized? In turn, I'm gonna GuestZeroize it. LOLs all around!

What's really going on downtown is so obvious it's becoming painful, like walking through some of the thistles coming up through the sidewalk gratings near Grumpy's. There's a huge scam going on downtown. Taxpayers are being screwed. Those who are still paying, I mean.

http://i.imgur.com/iNruyBM.png <-- Whatever he has to say? Yeah. Probably doesn't matter.

Dear JR: dude made jokes about raping real life women in Toledo. Is that okay still by your rules on this board? Because uh... rape? Not so funny.

Another day...another one bites the dust downtown.

This place never had a chance from day one. I'm not sure if they even made it a full year.

The dumbfucks have a vote YES for issue 25 sign still in their window, so as far as I'm concerned, anybody that stupid deserves to go out of business.

Weekdays Breakfast & Lunch Diner @ 614 Adams Street.

A sign on the front door reads: "Sorry, Weedkays is closed PERMANENTLY. Thank you to all our customers that supported us while we were here.

God Bless!

Sean & the entire Weekdays staff.

Weekdays Diner neighbor, Jominic's Subs is so empty more days than not, it will be lucky to be open when 2013 ends.

I know Sean and work with his brother. Weekdays had an awesome burger and breakfast food. I will definitely miss them during lunch downtown.

However, I tried that Jominic's Sub place and I will never go back- Sandwiches were kind of pricy and took FOREVER to make and we were the only ones in there at the time.

I tried weekdays once. I ordered about 12:10 and did not get food until about 12:50. Food was decent, but the wait was ridiculous, so I never went back.

Oh we always ordered ahead of time for pickup.

We always seem to have a hit or miss experience at Focaccias when we dine in.

brainswell posted :

endcycle posted :

Can you post a link to the comment because I don't know what you're talking about.

I believe the statement in question was:

I passed by Bleak House Coffee (should have been called Bleak Coffee House, but I digress) today at 830am. Prime time for morning coffee, AC. I specifically walked from my car to the front glass and creepily peered in just to make the barista fear for her life and maidenhead. So, care to guess how many customers were packed in there?