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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

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btw, what IS the plan for the Marina District? Has a timeline been established? Any finalized plans? Whispers of plans?

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jan 26, 2017 at 01:00:18 pm     #  

They are still in the planning stages. I have heard whispers. Hoping for the best.

posted by upso on Jan 26, 2017 at 01:29:25 pm     #  

Think I'm going to open up a restaurant called Taco Toledo. Sell $1 tacos and $1.50 Bud Lights, cuz that's what we really are folks. Enough of this upscale restaurant BS. Especially downtown. The "upscale" restaurants that are downtown NOW are struggling to keep the doors open. Veritas closing is just the beginning. When that Chop house opens, it'll be like a nuclear detonation on the rest of downtown.

posted by Adams_Street on Jan 27, 2017 at 02:45:10 am     #  

Adams_Street posted at 02:45:10 AM on Jan 27, 2017:

Think I'm going to open up a restaurant called Taco Toledo. Sell $1 tacos and $1.50 Bud Lights, cuz that's what we really are folks. Enough of this upscale restaurant BS. Especially downtown. The "upscale" restaurants that are downtown NOW are struggling to keep the doors open. Veritas closing is just the beginning. When that Chop house opens, it'll be like a nuclear detonation on the rest of downtown.

This kind of a post is an art form combining sarcasm, irony, hyperbole and subtle derision through false comic premise.

This is not a high quality sample of that art form.

To the point it raises, I would suggest that "we" are not ignorant bottom feeding uncultured buffoons, that we do get it, we do appreciate nice things, and we do understand the complex market dynamics at work. We just have different perspectives.

(Enter Shruggie.)

posted by justread on Jan 27, 2017 at 05:35:15 am     #   3 people liked this

If I regularly can find a parking spot 20 steps or less from the entrance and the beer is cold, count me in at Taco Toledo.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 27, 2017 at 07:28:51 am     #   1 person liked this

Maybe a Taco Bell Cantina with adjacent parking?

https://www.tacobell.com/news/taco-bell-new-urban-restaurant-concept-redefines-fast-food-experience

That would seem to satisfy the need for a) Chain corporation validation b) Cheap Tacos (<1!!) c) Bud Light d) parking

Remind me again why this needs to be downtown? Since so few people actually live downtown, isn't it possible that the people that go downtown want something unique that they can't get in Sylvania or Perfectsburg?

posted by ahmahler on Jan 27, 2017 at 07:56:11 am     #   1 person liked this

In this conversation lies Veritas's dismiss the "taco crowed" that seems to roam downtown on a hunt for dollar tacos thought it was high class. Those with any class knew in 5 minutes it was not. A fancy name and a few nice peices of decor, does not make a place classy.

This will not be what you get of the Chop house. On a side note a few (maybe a hundred) post ago, in this thread, I thought the barometer of downtown was set at the chains moving in?

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 27, 2017 at 07:57:51 am     #  

Adams_Street posted at 02:45:10 AM on Jan 27, 2017:

Think I'm going to open up a restaurant called Taco Toledo. Sell $1 tacos and $1.50 Bud Lights, cuz that's what we really are folks. Enough of this upscale restaurant BS. Especially downtown. The "upscale" restaurants that are downtown NOW are struggling to keep the doors open. Veritas closing is just the beginning. When that Chop house opens, it'll be like a nuclear detonation on the rest of downtown.

What's your obsession with Bug Light? Craft beer in Toledo is killing it. Places like Doc Watson, 5th Street, Swigs and BPH all pull in folks for rare beers.

Toledo is up to 3 brewers, Sylvania. Holland and Perrysburg all have their own as well. I was in EBW last night and it was packed.

posted by SensorG on Jan 27, 2017 at 07:58:33 am     #   1 person liked this

What if I told you, you could like bud light, tacos AND flights of craft beer paired with a charcuterie board?

posted by TrilbyGuy on Jan 27, 2017 at 08:29:44 am     #  

^^

You could count me in - except for the Bud light. Reminds me of the old joke:

"What do Coors (BL could easily be substituted) beer and making love in a canoe have in common?"

Both are f***ing near water.

posted by Foodie on Jan 27, 2017 at 08:57:37 am     #  

Adams_Street posted at 02:45:10 AM on Jan 27, 2017:

Think I'm going to open up a restaurant called Taco Toledo. Sell $1 tacos and $1.50 Bud Lights, cuz that's what we really are folks. Enough of this upscale restaurant BS. Especially downtown. The "upscale" restaurants that are downtown NOW are struggling to keep the doors open. Veritas closing is just the beginning. When that Chop house opens, it'll be like a nuclear detonation on the rest of downtown.

I mean... I get it. You were trying to point out that Toledoans are low class or something.

But. I think there's more of a mixed market than you think around here. I mean, Registry has thrived for what, 4 years downtown despite naysayers.... and Kengo, arguably the best sushi place you're going to find anywhere in the city and definitely on par with the best I've had in Seattle, NYC, and LA... they're doing incredible business, beyond what they expected... and they're not cheap.

So Toledo Taco (actually a great name)-

1: I'd totally go to that restaurant after work. I'd probably eat lunch there every so often, too.
2: Change bud light to PBR and I'm totally there.
3: Better yet, partner with Buckeye for their cheaper stuff.
4: Put it right by Registry - like in Veritas' space.

Because here's a goddamned perfect friday night:

Drive on downtown, park somewhere around Registry. Stop in for a cocktail and an appetizer (maybe some scotch olives or something). Walk down to Kengo, have some yakitori and a bit of sushi, have a good beer or two.

After BSing with Kengo and Josh for a bit, stroll over to Durty Bird and grab an IPA, watch a band for a bit, and then mosey over to Black Cloister. Suckle on Nature's Breast until properly sauced. Walk down to Taco Toledo, grab 3 tacos and a beer while you wait for your uber to get you home.

Sounds awesome to me, personally.

If you open it, I'll be there.

posted by endcycle on Jan 27, 2017 at 09:34:46 am     #   2 people liked this

If Registry Bistro is considered to be thriving than it doesn't take many tables Tuesday thru Saturday week to thrive DT.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 27, 2017 at 10:02:07 am     #  

"Think I'm going to open up a restaurant called Taco Toledo. Sell $1 tacos and $1.50 Bud Lights ..."

If Taco Toledo sells food after 11:00 p.m. on the weekend, that would be a selling point.

"So Toledo Taco (actually a great name)"

I would change the name to Toledo Talko.

posted by jr on Jan 27, 2017 at 10:09:48 am     #   4 people liked this

Mutz had $1.50 Buckeye beers for many years. Maybe Appold will bring them back after Taco Toledo and Chop House become competition.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 27, 2017 at 10:13:25 am     #  

6th_Floor posted at 10:02:07 AM on Jan 27, 2017:

If Registry Bistro is considered to be thriving than it doesn't take many tables Tuesday thru Saturday week to thrive DT.


Are you suggesting that if they were busier they'd be open 7 nights?

posted by ahmahler on Jan 27, 2017 at 10:21:28 am     #  

No I'm suggesting that they really aren't very busy many of the nights they're open.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 27, 2017 at 10:25:44 am     #  

...and once again we devolve into a Mexican restaurant thread.

posted by JoeyGee on Jan 27, 2017 at 10:29:24 am     #  

6th_Floor posted at 10:25:44 AM on Jan 27, 2017:

No I'm suggesting that they really aren't very busy many of the nights they're open.

Gotcha. I think that is a very challenging dining room, that looks sparsely filled, even when it's pretty full. Their cover count is much higher than, say an Element 112, but it doesn't always feel that way. It has been pretty seasonal, but their year to year guest counts hold pretty steady. They also do a tremendous amount of special events. The restaurant business isn't easy. Even really busy restaurants can struggle with margins. They operate very smart, and at a high level. They aren't going anywhere, and they have certainly done more than survived. I wonder if the Chop House would be planning a new location if Registry hadn't opened 4 years ago? From a Toledo food and wine culture standpoint, Registry is a very important piece of our identity. I know you weren't necessarily lobbing criticisms at them, but, likely more to the comment that they're "thriving". Perhaps a better word is-They've "redefined" the aspirations of Downtown restaurants. In my (biased) opinion, they're the most important and the best.

posted by ahmahler on Jan 27, 2017 at 10:40:36 am     #  

Great post and I believe their challenges to remain viable are going to increase with the arrival of Chop House.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 27, 2017 at 10:43:57 am     #  

6th_Floor posted at 10:43:57 AM on Jan 27, 2017:

Great post and I believe their challenges to remain viable are going to increase with the arrival of Chop House.

Thank you. Perhaps. Equally likely, though, is they gain business. Just like clustering bars together, clustering restaurants, helps all. Now the idea of going somewhere nice downtown, becomes a choice, and a more likely choice. After all, it gains mind space. It becomes a "thing", just like going to the bars downtown has become a thing EVEN if there's no game. You also need to factor in the higher end hotel rooms and more downtown residents. This isn't a Cheesecake Factory (sorry, couldn't resist), that needs to do 300 covers a night. 40-50 diners/ night for both restaurants is just fine.

posted by ahmahler on Jan 27, 2017 at 10:54:29 am     #  

JoeyGee posted at 10:29:24 AM on Jan 27, 2017:

...and once again we devolve into a Mexican restaurant thread.

Good point. Now it makes more sense to name the biz ToledoTalk-O.

If not Mexican influenced, then what about UK-ish? Toledo Pasty. With all of that walking around during the cold time of the year, a person might need to eat something hardy.

posted by jr on Jan 27, 2017 at 11:07:57 am     #   1 person liked this

jr posted at 11:07:57 AM on Jan 27, 2017:
JoeyGee posted at 10:29:24 AM on Jan 27, 2017:

...and once again we devolve into a Mexican restaurant thread.

Good point. Now it makes more sense to name the biz ToledoTalk-O.

If not Mexican influenced, then what about UK-ish? Toledo Pasty. With all of that walking around during the cold time of the year, a person might need to eat something hardy.

I think a hand pie spot sounds brilliant.

posted by ahmahler on Jan 27, 2017 at 11:24:31 am     #  

Zingerman's occasionally makes a fold-over, pastry pie at its bakehouse, and, of course, their versions taste good.

Cornish Style Pasties - Beef & root veggie with lard crust or caramelized onion & cheese with butter crust.

posted by jr on Jan 27, 2017 at 01:02:50 pm     #  

Although-Toledo Talk-O's is too good to not exploit to it's rightful ascendance. Unless you would like to just offer a secondary TT page www.toledotalk-o.com for all Mexican restaurant related threads...

posted by ahmahler on Jan 27, 2017 at 01:14:31 pm     #   1 person liked this

jr posted at 01:02:50 PM on Jan 27, 2017:

Zingerman's occasionally makes a fold-over, pastry pie at its bakehouse, and, of course, their versions taste good.

Cornish Style Pasties - Beef & root veggie with lard crust or caramelized onion & cheese with butter crust.

mmmm...lard crust. If that doesn't scream "Toledo" nothing does.

posted by JoeyGee on Jan 27, 2017 at 01:29:52 pm     #  

So with all this discussion about new things going in along Summit St, has anybody heard updates on who ProMedica might have in the street level retail spaces of the parking garage?

posted by Johio83 on Jan 27, 2017 at 03:23:32 pm     #  

My source is rather suspect but one shop is supposed to be an upscale lingerie called Big Ed's Bra Barn and Titty City.

posted by Mariner on Jan 27, 2017 at 03:29:09 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 03:23:32 PM on Jan 27, 2017:

So with all this discussion about new things going in along Summit St, has anybody heard updates on who ProMedica might have in the street level retail spaces of the parking garage?

I've heard one tenant is a bakery/lunch spot. Chain restaurant.

posted by slowsol on Jan 27, 2017 at 08:05:47 pm     #  

URGENT: Does Black Cloister have mixed drinks? Can't find anything on their website and tried calling to no avail.

posted by ckbeats21 on Jan 27, 2017 at 08:08:08 pm     #  

I think it's just beer???

posted by toledolen_ on Jan 27, 2017 at 08:56:57 pm     #  

Adams_Street posted at 02:45:10 AM on Jan 27, 2017:

Think I'm going to open up a restaurant called Taco Toledo. Sell $1 tacos and $1.50 Bud Lights, cuz that's what we really are folks. Enough of this upscale restaurant BS. Especially downtown. The "upscale" restaurants that are downtown NOW are struggling to keep the doors open. Veritas closing is just the beginning. When that Chop house opens, it'll be like a nuclear detonation on the rest of downtown.

Veritas was an "upscale" restaurant? News to me.

posted by toledolen_ on Jan 27, 2017 at 08:59:29 pm     #  

Mariner posted at 03:29:09 PM on Jan 27, 2017:

My source is rather suspect but one shop is supposed to be an upscale lingerie called Big Ed's Bra Barn and Titty City.

If it's Big Edna's Bra Barn you are talking about, that's resale.

posted by justread on Jan 28, 2017 at 04:56:50 am     #  

ckbeats21 posted at 08:08:08 PM on Jan 27, 2017:

URGENT: Does Black Cloister have mixed drinks? Can't find anything on their website and tried calling to no avail.

Ah crap. Adams Street nailed it after all.

posted by justread on Jan 28, 2017 at 05:17:58 am     #  

Carlos' Poco Loco opening soon -uptown Mexican-Cuban fusion. Street taco late night menu. Open until 2am. Open Refreshment Area member.

No address, no date

Who knows which space and progress?

posted by ahmahler on Jan 30, 2017 at 05:48:22 pm     #  

ahmahler posted at 05:48:22 PM on Jan 30, 2017:

Carlos' Poco Loco opening soon -uptown Mexican-Cuban fusion. Street taco late night menu. Open until 2am. Open Refreshment Area member.

No address, no date

Who knows which space and progress?

It's on Adams, I think next to or near Ottawa Tavern

I would also be interested in any updates

posted by ckbeats21 on Jan 30, 2017 at 06:10:30 pm     #  

It's pretty clear which space, when you go past it. Right between Claro Coffee and Ottawa Tavern. Signs and window paper have been up for a couple months. I heard it's supposed to be this week, but that was like a month ago, so I dunno if that's still the plan or not.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 30, 2017 at 06:25:49 pm     #  

I wonder if as the businesses expand on Adams if Claro coffee will start being open late nights. Could get a wild demographic shift when you can get late night tacos and margaritas and then follow up with some Christian espresso!

posted by upso on Jan 30, 2017 at 07:04:09 pm     #  

A lot of progress has been made at Poco Loco since Christmas.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 30, 2017 at 09:44:43 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 09:44:43 PM on Jan 30, 2017:

A lot of progress has been made at Poco Loco since Christmas.

Details?

posted by ckbeats21 on Jan 30, 2017 at 11:34:01 pm     #  

Instead of Taco Toledo we're getting Taco Gringo Mexican restaurant where Martini & Nuzzi last operated at 329 N. Huron.

http://www.toledoblade.com/business/2017/02/03/Food-truck-operator-to-try-sit-down-restaurant.html

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 03, 2017 at 05:14:24 am     #  

7 a.m. to 9 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays and from 7 a.m. until 4 a.m. Fridays and Saturdays, said he hopes to open by May 1.

With those operating hours, has the proprietor performed any market research whatsoever? This one won't even be a year from opening to closing.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 03, 2017 at 05:17:25 am     #  

Panera coming to downtown Toledo, as well as a another coffee shop ....I think it is Biggby

posted by Hoops on Feb 03, 2017 at 08:34:00 am     #  

Really? Where will each be going?

posted by Johio83 on Feb 03, 2017 at 08:40:18 am     #  

There already more coffee shops downtown now than actual businesses.

posted by westsidebob on Feb 03, 2017 at 08:49:29 am     #  

We already have a biggby. I'm assuming the Panera will be part of the Promedica campus?

posted by upso on Feb 03, 2017 at 08:52:12 am     #  

Berdan also is going to have 4000-5000 sq. ft. of ground level commercial space available across from 5/3 home plate entrance.

Maybe another coffeehouse will open there? SMH

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 03, 2017 at 09:47:27 am     #  

Hmmm.. A Mexican restaurant at the old Nuzzies location?? Shocker. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they will have a taco Tuesday and $1.50 bud lights? Way to keep it real Toledo. Enough with the fine dining BS. It's not what Toledo is. Never will be. Who stole my idea?

posted by Adams_Street on Feb 03, 2017 at 10:06:03 am     #  

...how exactly does the opening of a taco place mean fine dining can't be a thing? I don't get how there is any correlation between the two. I mean, wouldn't that be the same thing as saying "well they have Bud Light on tap, might as well disconnect all the microbrew lines"

posted by Johio83 on Feb 03, 2017 at 10:13:22 am     #  

Condado in the short north of Columbus is the most packed restaurant. Usually an hour to two wait. They do make your own $3 tacos.

They are opening 4 new locations in Columbus this year. And possibly franchising.

People love tacos - you open a Condado or similar place in the old Swan Creek Candle next to Packo's you would kill it.

Americans love Tacos - not just a Toledo loves Tacos.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 03, 2017 at 10:48:14 am     #  

The Nuzzies location was already a taco seller three restaurants prior.

posted by westsidebob on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:18:01 am     #  

The Nuzzies location is a cursed location. If it can't survive as a Mexican restaurant with a bar back when there were still some businesses in that area there is no way they will make it now.

Whilst I like the idea of a late night place to grab taco's this isn't a good location. He should open up a food truck on Adams by the Ottawa Tavern on weekends and that would be a gold mine.

Who is going to go in that area at 4 a.m.????

posted by classylady on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:22:54 am     #  

I heard from a good source that Starbucks is looking for a place downtown. There is also another coffee house that is to open soon at the old Biggby location in the Ohio Building. It was suppose to have been opened in October or November and they are still working on it. The progress on that is as slow as Maddie and Bella.

I'm excited to hear Panera is opening downtown.

Anyone know when Potbelly is going to open? They are doing work on it every day when I walk past there.

posted by classylady on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:26:58 am     #  

classylady posted at 11:22:54 AM on Feb 03, 2017:

The Nuzzies location is a cursed location. If it can't survive as a Mexican restaurant with a bar back when there were still some businesses in that area there is no way they will make it now.

Whilst I like the idea of a late night place to grab taco's this isn't a good location. He should open up a food truck on Adams by the Ottawa Tavern on weekends and that would be a gold mine.

Who is going to go in that area at 4 a.m.????

Nobody lol. I don't even like going there at 8 p.m.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:35:06 am     #  

The Ohio Building spot is going to be Plate 1, the second spot for Sandy Spang's Plate 21

posted by Johio83 on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:37:43 am     #  

Adams_Street posted at 10:06:03 AM on Feb 03, 2017:

Hmmm.. A Mexican restaurant at the old Nuzzies location?? Shocker. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they will have a taco Tuesday and $1.50 bud lights? Way to keep it real Toledo. Enough with the fine dining BS. It's not what Toledo is. Never will be. Who stole my idea?

That's the old Diva location. I must have fine dined there a hundred times. Sorry you missed it. It was excellent.

posted by justread on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:44:15 am     #  

Which you could say Registry Bistro is essentially Diva 2.0

posted by Johio83 on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:01:57 pm     #  

Adams_Street posted at 10:06:03 AM on Feb 03, 2017:

Hmmm.. A Mexican restaurant at the old Nuzzies location?? Shocker. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they will have a taco Tuesday and $1.50 bud lights? Way to keep it real Toledo. Enough with the fine dining BS. It's not what Toledo is. Never will be. Who stole my idea?

You must have a fan. Enough with this fine dining crap, give the people what they want! The last place that served tacos here must have been ahead of the game a bit. Downtown has really evolved towards this.

#cheesecakefactorydreaming

posted by ahmahler on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:04:05 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 05:17:25 AM on Feb 03, 2017:

7 a.m. to 9 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays and from 7 a.m. until 4 a.m. Fridays and Saturdays, said he hopes to open by May 1.

With those operating hours, has the proprietor performed any market research whatsoever? This one won't even be a year from opening to closing.

maybe its expecting to serve a dual purpose like Los Pollo Hermanos did?

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:06:03 pm     #  

Here's the taco concept that is just blowing up:

http://www.bakersfieldtacos.com/

You can't get near the Cinci location, and the Columbus is always packed as well. Restaurant group is just a few years old. They do a great job. Something like THIS could totally work in the Diva/ Nuzzi space.

posted by ahmahler on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:07:12 pm     #  

I would kill for a Bakersfield in Toledo. It was one of the places I listed in the "what I want to see in Toledo" thread.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:15:33 pm     #  

I wish the best of luck to anyone trying to open a new restaurant in this town.

Hopefully Taco Gringo will have better luck this time around. His food truck recently caught on fire, and his automotive business burned down about a year ago.

His son Emiliano has pictures of the location up on his fb page,and they are already looking for waitstaff, bartenders and dj's, so maybe they will be opening sooner than May !

posted by foodie88 on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:16:27 pm     #  

I have never personally tried his tacos, but I have heard that their food is awesome, and the online reviews here and there seem to back that up.

I do love a good taco.

posted by foodie88 on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:27:15 pm     #  

I've tried their food - it was really, really good. I'm definitely nervous about the location for them right NOW, but it's an interesting position to be in for the future. That area's been a bit ignored and neglected downtown, and with Promedica popping in there and the fiberglass tower / maumee-whatever-they-called-it tower underway... COULD be a gold mine. I hope so.

posted by endcycle on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:41:02 pm     #  

Yeah, downtown's problem areas are going to be very different once Promedica settles in.

posted by upso on Feb 03, 2017 at 12:55:19 pm     #  

I am excited for this. I used to love getting their tacos on Thursday from his food truck!

posted by stooks on Feb 03, 2017 at 01:26:14 pm     #  

upso posted at 12:55:19 PM on Feb 03, 2017:

Yeah, downtown's problem areas are going to be very different once Promedica settles in.

Predictions?

I'm beginning to think the Vistula area is gonna get hot.

posted by endcycle on Feb 03, 2017 at 02:10:25 pm     #  

Any word on Fowl and Fodder's Adam street location?

posted by classylady on Feb 03, 2017 at 11:28:12 pm     #  

http://www.toledoblade.com/Real-Estate/2017/02/04/Developer-envisions-downtown-Toledo-gem.html

Another loft development

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 04, 2017 at 01:37:38 am     #   2 people liked this

Wow. I LOVE that guy. How cool is that?

posted by ahmahler on Feb 04, 2017 at 08:41:34 am     #   1 person liked this

The more outside interest we can get in downtown, the better off we are. Very cool.

posted by upso on Feb 04, 2017 at 11:04:04 am     #   1 person liked this

I don't mean this question in a negative way, but why does everyone think that when ProMedica moves downtown, there is going to be such a demand for apartments and restaurants? I understand lunch time restaurants maybe - if they're quick enough to get in and out in less than an hour. But are people really expecting ProMedica employees to stick around after work and have dinner at these places? Or to sell their homes in the suburbs and move to a loft downtown? I'm just not getting the connection here.

posted by dell_diva on Feb 04, 2017 at 01:08:47 pm     #  

There are market studies that support significant residential demand in downtown, aside from anything Promedica is doing.

posted by slowsol on Feb 04, 2017 at 01:48:27 pm     #  

There was an independent study done a handful of years before the ProMedica announcement that said downtown could absorb another 2500 units before current demand tapered off.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 04, 2017 at 03:39:20 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 01:21:01 PM on Oct 28, 2016:

Oh, forgot to add another to the list. There will be a very significant residential development in the Warehouse District that should be announced soon. Prominent developer, will be their first project in Ohio. Only their second in the US I believe, as a matter of fact. The sale was completed earlier this month.

btw, this is the development I was talking about back then. The "sale was completed" obviously should have said "it's under contract" though.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 06, 2017 at 11:15:49 am     #   1 person liked this

It was mentioned previously that Biggby was leaving Cricket West...

here is the new coffee shop taking over:
http://www.siptoledo.com/

https://www.facebook.com/SipCoffeeToledo

posted by upso on Feb 06, 2017 at 09:09:07 pm     #  

What is being built at the corner of Summit and Lafayette? Surprising to see a free standing building going in with so many other available spaces.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 07, 2017 at 09:51:40 am     #  

That's not a new building. The owner is just rehabbing the interior and exterior. It's office space.

posted by upso on Feb 07, 2017 at 10:38:42 am     #   1 person liked this

Isn't the building at Summit and Lafayette the one Cornerstone church bought and is rehabbing into church and office space in the lower levels and housing in the upper two levels?

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 07, 2017 at 11:17:21 am     #  

jamesteroh posted at 11:17:21 AM on Feb 07, 2017:

Isn't the building at Summit and Lafayette the one Cornerstone church bought and is rehabbing into church and office space in the lower levels and housing in the upper two levels?

Thats Summit and Perry. The old "Events Center".

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 07, 2017 at 11:27:17 am     #  

I knew it was the old events center, couldn't remember the intersection it was at. Thanks!

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 07, 2017 at 11:47:53 am     #  

Delldiva, to speak from my own experience I would only consider moving to a downtown space if I saw evidence that there was a vibrant street scene with people on the sidewalks from early morning to mid-evening, families walking to parks or greenspaces or events, the occasional runner/jogger, and maybe a mix of people walking a mix of dogs. Plus a good bakery and grocery market nearby :-)

I think people's hopes are that a big workplace like Promedica will generate a lot of daytime sidewalk traffic and the restaurants/bars will help keep people downtown after 5:00 p.m. at least a few days a week.

Two additional factors to consider are that big companies have all kinds of visitors, vendors, industry folks coming and going during "appointment hours" which are slightly different from standard rush hour. More sidewalk traffic, more need for lunch & dinner options, more business/professional use of coffee spaces.

Also the big companies are in a good position to hire hundreds of young professionals and I think the idea is that cool urban spaces appeal to young folks. It's the young(ish) ones wandering around and examining the rehabber possibilities that might lead to further residential development.

Disclaimer: not an expert, I just read New York Times.

posted by viola on Feb 07, 2017 at 12:06:08 pm     #  

To have such a scene will take years, and by then I'll have no interest in that kind of fun lol. I worked downtown for 13 years, from 2003 until last year, and could cross the street nine times out of 10 without looking. Progress has been made, for sure, but there is along way to go, a long way. I hope downtown rises up, but if I were a betting man I'd hold onto my chips for a while.

posted by westsidebob on Feb 07, 2017 at 02:38:05 pm     #  

upso, any idea where new biggby location is landing?

posted by westsidebob on Feb 07, 2017 at 02:42:27 pm     #  

I like living downtown but wouldn't want to live downtown if I had children. It's great if you are single or a couple with no children living at home. The middlegrounds is nice if you like to walk or run and for biking the path along the river that leads to the bike trail off summit is pretty nice. LIving downtown is really nice if you work downtown. I love being able to bike or walk to work when the weather is nice and to be able to go home for lunch and nice being home a few minutes after leaving the office for the day. It's also nice being able to walk to the farmers market, etc.

It sucks not having a grocery store or pharmacy but before I lived downtown I didn't have a grocery or pharmacy that was a convenient walk to my old place and most people in Toledo don't.

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 07, 2017 at 02:46:38 pm     #  

westsidebob.....Biggby is to be located on the first floor of the former keybank bldg aka Junction Bldg for ProMedica. It will be on the same floor as the Chop House. Panera Is supposed to occupy the parking garage first floor space on the corner of Jefferson/Summit

posted by Hoops on Feb 07, 2017 at 02:59:32 pm     #  

Hoops-Is Biggby going to have two locations downtown? The location at Adams and Superior has only been there about a year. I don't understand why Biggby would want two locations downtown so close to each other

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 07, 2017 at 11:08:55 pm     #  

Totally wild guess on the Biggby thing, but when I was last in their loop, there were three different franchisees in our area, with one having most of the stores (and some in MI), a former employee of his having a couple, and a newer player having the one on the trail at Parkway Plaza.
If each of those downtown Biggbys is owned by a different franchisee, I can see why two would be so close to one another.
And the competition between franchisees can be pretty fierce.

posted by justread on Feb 08, 2017 at 05:44:46 am     #  

Update on the Renaissance Place

http://www.13abc.com/content/news/Behinc-the-scenes-look-at-the--413076393.html

posted by ahmahler on Feb 08, 2017 at 08:01:13 am     #  

Unless they've completely lost their minds and are remodeling, it appears that Nutrition City / Glass City Nutrition on Adams across the street from Bleak House has bit the dust.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 08, 2017 at 03:23:30 pm     #  

Nutrition city? Toledo is many things, but a nutrition city it is not. Shocker. Yet another downtown establishment down the drain. Smh.

posted by Adams_Street on Feb 08, 2017 at 04:00:05 pm     #  

Already there will be a 220 seat Chop House restaurant, another Biggby, along with possibly Panera and who knows what else adjacent to Promedica.

Additionally, Berdan will have 4,000-5,000 square feet of commercial space at ground level.

Call me crazy, but only speaking about DT bars and restaurants, it appears the synergy may ultimately work in reverse after the dust settles from the over-hyped Promedica gold rush.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 08, 2017 at 04:20:22 pm     #  

I know this argument is an endless loop. We need to really start looking at this differently.
While the population of the area has remained stagnant, the traffic DT has increased every year. We are now getting to a point, for many businesses, where we set location aside. Upscale restaurants are the most notable piece of that. When we say saturation, we need to slide some of these into the category of "regionally saturated". That's to be determined. The same would not be said about, say, lunch spots. Those are much more dependent upon locations and people at work.

posted by ahmahler on Feb 08, 2017 at 06:37:59 pm     #   1 person liked this

What are some good restaurants/coffee shops/etc. to hang out in the evenings and work on homework?

posted by ckbeats21 on Feb 14, 2017 at 04:09:51 pm     #  

"Additionally, Berdan will have 4,000-5,000 square feet of commercial space at ground level."

When I looked into that last summer I was told there was not going to be commercial space.

Hmm.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 14, 2017 at 05:11:28 pm     #  

Yup. Going to have a bar/grille. Not sure if it'll be taking the entire space, or just part of it.

posted by Johio83 on Feb 14, 2017 at 08:54:48 pm     #  

ckbeats21 posted at 04:09:51 PM on Feb 14, 2017:

What are some good restaurants/coffee shops/etc. to hang out in the evenings and work on homework?

What specifically are you looking for? Hours? Amenities?

posted by upso on Feb 14, 2017 at 10:51:52 pm     #  

The omnipresent "for rent" sign confirms that Nutrition City has bit the dust and that the endless loop here shall continue.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 15, 2017 at 10:55:53 am     #  

Saw this at TCP's FB page. 2am seems like a stretch for a restaurant in that area, but I'm looking forward to checking it out.

Poco Loco is Cocina de Carlos' newest location on Adams Street (right next door to Claro Coffee Bar). They will be open until 2amů you can find us there eating street tacos! Be on the lookout for their official opening coming soon. In the meantime here is a little sneak peek.

https://www.facebook.com/toledocitypaper/

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 15, 2017 at 11:02:29 am     #  

Why in the hell nutrition city ever opened downtown and at that location is beyond me. They are hardly an indicator of the revival (or lack thereof depending on who you ask of downtown)

The only indication they provided is that of stupidity.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Feb 15, 2017 at 11:06:11 am     #  

LOL

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 15, 2017 at 11:08:37 am     #  

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