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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

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closing mondays is weirdly common. super bummer when you're looking for somewhere to go, but I think it ends up being one of the slowest days of the week in general for food service beyond sundays.

posted by upso on Dec 29, 2015 at 09:08:47 pm     #  

Google's newish feature showing popular times for restaurants really does illustrate just how slow Monday and Tuesday traffic tends to be.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 29, 2015 at 11:26:00 pm     #  

Biggby is moving next to the Subway downtown.

posted by stooks on Dec 30, 2015 at 06:49:11 am     #  

Just a quick article on Curbed on restaurant decor. What is even better are the comments when you scroll down.

http://curbed.com/archives/2015/11/30/restaurant-interiors-decor-trends.php?utm_campaign=detroit&utm_medium=social&utm_content=saturday&utm_source=facebook

posted by Molsonator on Dec 30, 2015 at 07:33:42 am     #   1 person liked this

"closing mondays is weirdly common."

Seems to be a common and growing theme DT moreso than elsewhere in town.

The trainwreck aka Market on the Green is having a rough start. Very few customers, rotten produce, dead flowers, and this week I've seen the police there twice. Police cruisers in the street with flashing sirens isn't exactly an optimal look for a store trying to attract yuppies to a store located in a bum-filled deadzone.

Happy New Year Toledo Talk!

posted by 6th_Floor on Dec 31, 2015 at 06:25:31 pm     #   1 person liked this

for whatever it's worth, a bunch of restaurants here in chicago are also closed on monday and it's terrifically annoying. long story short, it's a thing.

posted by upso on Dec 31, 2015 at 10:20:19 pm     #  

as for the Market on the Green... wondering if launching in winter was a bad idea in general? when we were home last week it was a ghost town on our few visits...

Also, I had been told Cherry Street Mission was moving entirely into the Macomber building. Looks like that might now not be the case. Curious how that will affect the traffic at the Green. One can assume it won't help much.

posted by upso on Dec 31, 2015 at 10:24:20 pm     #  

Well I can see closing on Monday's if statistically you have determined for it to be a lousy business night and nothing special is happening to attract patrons. Closing Sundays might be worth it too again if you know you wont get business. The random closing very early because business is dead when your posted hours say your open, well that can put a bad vibe in people showing up to a closed restaurant when its supposed to be open and its posted that way.

posted by MIJeff on Jan 01, 2016 at 02:54:32 am     #  

Is anybody involved to the extent that they know what the goal is for the Marketing the Green? In conversations I have had, I am not convinced that this is comparable to a regular privately owned market. I think it's some kind of working learning lab attached to an institute which will study and promote population health. I think the comparisons to other markets in or outside of uptown might be misplaced.
This lemonade stand can't fail no mater what happens at the cash register. That's not how it will likely be evaluated. But this is just a hunch.

There has been a job opening posted for a Security Officer at the "Ebeid Market." Opportunity to join a fast growing company. It would be kind of cool. Everybody in the neighborhood would know you. Like those two cops on Sanford and Son.

posted by justread on Jan 01, 2016 at 07:13:22 am     #  

All you need to know about "Market on the Green" and the building in which it is located is that it's all about ProMedica and The Oostra. And let's not leave the Mannik & Smith Group out of the picture. They were the ones that first approached the Uptown Association about building "Uptown Green," touting their track record at securing grants for stupid projects. Mannik & Smith also seems to be slated to secure a contract from the 22nd Century Committee, the brainchild of The Oostra.

posted by Bandito on Jan 01, 2016 at 07:02:39 pm     #  

What exactly does Mannik & Smith do? Their website couldn't be more vague...

posted by upso on Jan 01, 2016 at 08:08:47 pm     #  

Civil Engineering

posted by Molsonator on Jan 01, 2016 at 08:44:48 pm     #  

Bandito, what exactly is your complaint? That Randy Oostra is putting his money where his mouth is when he says ProMedica should help the health of the community before it comes to hospital visits? I mean seriously, what beef could you have with that? Oh no, they're offering healthy food options to the community, with professionals on hand to help create nutritious diet plans! What a fascist!

posted by Johio83 on Jan 01, 2016 at 11:29:47 pm     #   1 person liked this

But is it at the expense of any other venue?

posted by MIJeff on Jan 02, 2016 at 02:24:26 am     #  

MIJeff, from my observations during a handful of visits, there aren't any bargains at that market. In fact, shoppers should expect to pay 30-100% premiums for most items. Regarding produce, meat, and other perishables, they are having to either toss or donate a great amount.

The place is there for other reasons, obviously. It's likely a combination of positive propaganda for Promedica, along with some sort of tax credits.

I don't expect the place to close soon because Promedica won't accept that level of embarassment. However, I do expect to see a severe reduction in operating hours in 6 months or less.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 02, 2016 at 02:59:23 am     #  

I was only questioning the idea of a store like that being back funded by someone not allowing it to fail at any cost stopping any other similar venue from possibly opening in the area. If they will keep it open at any cost how can anyone else compete with that? It would sort of be like when the city had the fire departments start ambulance services, albeit in only certain areas, they put a severe cramp on the private companies, who were still required to service all areas.

posted by MIJeff on Jan 02, 2016 at 06:16:18 am     #  

Since so many of these initially positive stories have long delays and/or fail to be completed, it's difficult to remember all of them after many years.

Does anybody have any current news about the environmental company that 2-4 years ago was supposed to build a building between ESM and CoT public utilities complex? They cleared the land a while ago, but I haven't seen any activity in at least a couple years. I know it was mentioned briefly here at TT, but I cannot find anything here or TB's website.

The Blade and other media outlets were quick to report news of the company adding 40 new employees to DT/WHD. However, since the project is long past due or appears altogether scrapped, there isn't any further reporting.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 02, 2016 at 03:20:32 pm     #  

"Does anybody have any current news about the environmental company that 2-4 years ago was supposed to build a building between ESM and CoT public utilities complex?"


No current news, but the company is Hull & Associates, which, according to its website, still lists its Toledo office as being located on Glendale Ave.


April 2011 Blade story titled Columbia Gas center to become office space.


According to a September 2013 Blade story, the company had planned to move into its new downtown Toledo office, located near the Erie Street Market, in the fall of 2014. Obviously, the building has yet to be built.

"The cleanup portion is just about complete,” company spokesman Kara Allison said Wednesday. “The physical work is done. We’re wrapping up the paperwork part.”

Officials expect to submit paperwork to the Ohio EPA for final approval by Sept. 27 [2013].


In 2013, the proposed new building was mentioned on the company's Facebook page. Maybe post a comment, asking for an update.

An architect’s rendering of a building that Hull & Associates plans to build on Erie Street, next to the Erie Street Market downtown. A rooftop solar array will generate part of the firm’s energy needs.

posted by jr on Jan 02, 2016 at 05:45:32 pm     #  

Sounded like a good plan, the drawing looks good, maybe they prepaid for the solar panels from Solyndra?

posted by MIJeff on Jan 02, 2016 at 06:35:12 pm     #  

They're working on things. Just sit tight.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 02, 2016 at 06:55:31 pm     #  

So what we have is yet another "coming soon" DT/WHD announcement?

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 02, 2016 at 07:01:40 pm     #  

An "I'm not at liberty to say, just just be patient, because things are currently being worked on" announcement.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 02, 2016 at 07:22:29 pm     #  

this is silly. thanks for the info jr!

posted by upso on Jan 02, 2016 at 09:46:05 pm     #  

Funny. I asked our business desk about that last week.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Jan 02, 2016 at 09:59:17 pm     #  

My wife and I had dinner at Kobe Bay in their first week, and I went there again for lunch yesterday, and I was very pleased with both experiences. The only negatives I'd have to say are that it took a while for the food to come out both times, and they could stand to have some lunch sized portions for the items on their lunch menu. But the tonkatsu dinner and ramen lunch I had were both delicious. The place is beautiful inside, and some of the things the manager was talking about in their plans could be pretty damn cool. The coolest, as far as I'm concerned, is that they're weighing the possibility of building a glassed in area on the patio with hibachi grills. I think that would be pretty damn amazing, to be sitting out on the patio overlooking the river and the city skyline, with a chef whipping up my meal in front of me.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 07, 2016 at 01:02:49 pm     #  

Any word about the other two restaurants planned to open at Hensville?

If it's completed on schedule, Hensville is less than 3 months from completion. So, wouldn't new businesses at Hensville want to make some sort of announcement? We've heard about 9 or whatever it's named, but I haven't heard anything else about new bars/restaurants at Hensville.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 12, 2016 at 08:32:56 pm     #  

Another couple joined my boyfriend and I for lunch at Kobe Bay yesterday and I agree with Johio's review. Food was amazing and was really nice inside but it took a little longer than I liked for the food to come out. I don't mind waiting at dinner time but if I am on my lunch hour, I like to be in and out of a place. The glassed in patio would be great in the winter time.

Home Slice must be doing pretty darn good. I had to work until 7 tonight and called when I had finished working to place an order figuring I could chill at the office for a few and catch up on some personal emails online and pick it up on my way home. I was told it would be 40 to 45 mintues before the pizza could be ready so I just drove across the river to Marco's instead.

posted by classylady on Jan 12, 2016 at 08:39:56 pm     #  

My girlfriend and I also recently had dinner at Kobe Bay.

As mentioned above, the service was terribly slow (nearly an hour) despite the restaurant being mostly empty. Also, they really need to find a smoother way on the weekends, once they begin transitioning from a restaurant to a nightclub, because it was very distracting while eating, having to listen and watch tables and chairs being carted away.

The sushi was good, my dish was tasty (one of the salmon selections), but my gf's dish was bad...little or no seasoning and at best bland.

Overall grade C- and a lot of room for improvement.

We've decided that since Kobe Bay is a new place, a short drive, and more importantly they're on Groupon, we'll give them one more shot. Don't let anybody tell you that Kobe Bay is as good as Nagoya because it isn't yet remotely close.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 12, 2016 at 08:59:36 pm     #  

Classylady, I believe Homeslice has 1/2 off pizzas every Tuesday.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 12, 2016 at 09:00:59 pm     #  

Laffs Comedy Club on Secor has bit the dust...

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 12, 2016 at 09:11:12 pm     #  

Formerly Club Soda for us middle-aged folks.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 12, 2016 at 09:13:54 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 08:32:56 PM on Jan 12, 2016:

Any word about the other two restaurants planned to open at Hensville?

If it's completed on schedule, Hensville is less than 3 months from completion. So, wouldn't new businesses at Hensville want to make some sort of announcement? We've heard about 9 or whatever it's named, but I haven't heard anything else about new bars/restaurants at Hensville.

http://hensvilletoledo.com/
There are 3 spots listed on the website. Nine, Nine top and bird cage.

posted by upso on Jan 12, 2016 at 09:53:51 pm     #  

Thanks UPSO.

http://www.pamelaroseauction.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Forresters-Brochure.pdf

http://www.pamelaroseauction.com/personal-property-2/

January 22nd @ 10am Forresters auction information.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 12, 2016 at 10:18:34 pm     #  

Well sad to see they will be taking it from a turnkey location to an empty shell. Given I have not been in there for some time to know the condition of the place.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 13, 2016 at 07:36:08 am     #  

Is it odd that the file is named "2014/11"?

Did they almost bail a year prior?

posted by justread on Jan 13, 2016 at 08:25:10 am     #  

I'd really like to see them divide the space. You could have a full sized restaurant just out of their banquet spaces they have there. I think the sheer size of the place would require someone to be going gangbusters 24/7 to make the numbers work.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 13, 2016 at 09:55:57 am     #  

Johio83 posted at 09:55:57 AM on Jan 13, 2016:

I'd really like to see them divide the space. You could have a full sized restaurant just out of their banquet spaces they have there. I think the sheer size of the place would require someone to be going gangbusters 24/7 to make the numbers work.

Agreed. Place is way too big. However, I could see a old-school German style Biergarten/ Brewhaus work a la Hofbrau Haus in Covington (Cincinnati) and now Cleveland. Forget trying to be a restaurant, simplify the menu, take half of the room and turn it into an upscale wine/ negroni (see what i did there?) bar with small plates. The other half is a German beer bar.

The catering space could be sold as a private bar for small parties (bachelor/bachelorette, etc).

Who has some $$$ they want me to help them spend?

posted by ahmahler on Jan 13, 2016 at 10:06:47 am     #   1 person liked this

God I've wanted a German beer hall here for so long. I actually spoke with representatives from Hofbrau about it a while back, but they said they already had enough in our area. I can't really argue that - they only have seven in the United States, and two of those are already in Ohio. Anyway, that doesn't mean it one couldn't be here just because a brand of them isn't coming.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 13, 2016 at 10:12:38 am     #   1 person liked this

With a bit o' background enjoying establishments where hops and barley are presented am wondering how much amusement would be extended by the neighbor Mainstreetveturesinc who specialize in fine dining and have been a solid tenant for years at the location. They might have some reservations so as to protect their own outdoor dining atmosphere and select clientele from a Bavarian fracas invading the neighborhood. No doubt there was friction between the recent occupant of the Navy Bistro location and the desired goals of the two long term businesses by virtue of differing customer bases. The property owner has to evaluate all the factors.

posted by Mariner on Jan 13, 2016 at 11:29:29 am     #  

I had some extra time today, so I stopped by The City Hub Coffee & Ice Cream to see if their "coming soon" was actually moving along at all. It doesn't appear that any progress has been made there since at least mid-October.

It's apparent that City Hub is a venture that current ownership either doesn't possess the necessary time to operate a business and/or capital. Considering the amount of competition DT relative to the foot traffic, this is a recipe for rapid failure.

Despite Maddie & Bella shows signs of moving along, it has been at less than a snail's pace, They initially announced they'd be opening very soon after Downtown Latte closed its doors...last April. I continue being fooled by the ambiguous "soon" word.

Lo and behold, one of my personal favorite places to discuss here during 2015, Martini & Nuzzi has stated it will reopen its DT location in late January or February. I did notice as I quickly drove by today that the ground level bar has been moved. Apparently failing once at that location isn't going to be enough for them...they're at least claiming there will be a second go-round.

Lastly on the "soon" tour is Georgz Lounge, formerly The Moxie Live on Adams. First it was October, then November, and now were into mid January and it still hasn't opened.

Maybe these folks are anxiously awaiting the Forresters auction to purchase equipment next week???

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 13, 2016 at 12:48:05 pm     #  

I have been told Maddie & Bella is actually doing more extensive build out then previously planned. Not sure of their time line but it does feel like it's taken forever.

As for bars planning on opening, even as far as soft launches might be concerned opening in January or February is not a good idea. If they have the time and resources to wait until spring they'll be much better off in general.

posted by upso on Jan 13, 2016 at 01:14:03 pm     #  

Maddie & Bella is currently hiring, and has been for about a month now, so it would seem that an opening is drawing nearer.

I'm glad to hear about Martini & Nuzzi, and hope this run at it is more successful. Despite it being the same company, the quality of food served at the downtown iteration was so much better than the one by the old Kazmaier's.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 13, 2016 at 02:45:34 pm     #  

And ahmahler, find somebody to run the place (preferably someone who has experience and know how) and I'll find some space for it.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 13, 2016 at 06:31:23 pm     #  

The space is the easy part, how about you set up a Kickstarter, and let me know once we reach buildout costs and 6 months of operating revenue? I'll totally find someone.

posted by ahmahler on Jan 13, 2016 at 08:36:16 pm     #  

Good news about Martini and Nuzzi's. Hope they have good luck with this second run. I loved their cocktails. Problem is the location. Now with the Spitzer closed there aren't any office buildings convenient to it and no parking lot. The Lasalle building is across the street but there are other bars closer to the other residential building downtown and to the Huntington Center and 5/3rd field for the before/after game crowd.

Maddie & Bella's has been saying they have been hiring for a while on their facebook page and I hope they open up soon. I'm really looking forward to Plate 21 opening up. I was chatting with one of the security guards at the Ohio Building and he said they are in the process of obtaining a liquor license and want to have a happy hour from 4ish to closing time and serve adult coffee drinks and vodka infused tea martini's and wine and also be open during games and Huntington Center events. Once Plate 21 opens I am sure Biggby will be struggling in their new location.

My boyfriend and I stopped at Durty Bird last night for a drink and he ordered some wings and I ordered a salad. Everything looked the same to us so the remodel work must have been in the kitchen or offices. It appears they raised their prices again. My boyfriends Tanq and tonic was 50 cents more than he was used to paying and my salad was 50 cents more than it was last time I was there. It's absurd to be having a price increase when your prices are already the highest in that area.

I know someone involved with Georgez Lounge and they are trying to open up ASAP. They ran into some unexpected problems during their remodel.

posted by classylady on Jan 14, 2016 at 11:45:14 am     #  

Anyone know what is going on with the market next door to the Blarney? I thought that was to have opened up last fall and it doesn't look like they have touched that space in months.

posted by classylady on Jan 14, 2016 at 11:46:40 am     #  

In regards to the idea that more is better for downtown, Table Forty 4 reported that 2015 was far and away its best year to date, specifically stating that the sustained uptick really started around late spring. Which just happens to coincide with the openings of M Osteria and Black Cloister.

In college, we studied what was called the Starbucks effect, which showed that independent coffee shops actually did better when they were within walking distance of a Starbucks. In some instances, and I think downtown is certainly one, added competition effectively serves to make the area more of a destination, so instead of fighting over the same piece of the pie, the whole area is carving out a much larger slice.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 14, 2016 at 11:53:49 am     #  

Well, if that's true (which I don't believe), Table Forty 4 owners sure didn't reduce their delinquent property tax bill.

In fact it's currently the largest amount I've seen for them. Their last recorded payment was in April 2015. The "uptick" you mentioned around late Spring likely happens every year with the Hens season and continues through summertime.

Prior Delinquent Charges 25,532.54
1st Half Tax, Assessments, and/or Penalty/Interest 4,911.45
* 1st Half Total Before Payments 30,443.99

2nd Half Tax, Assessments, and/or Penalty/Interest 4,911.41
* Full Year Total Before Payments 35,355.40

** TOTAL PAYMENTS ** 0.00
** TOTAL DUE AFTER PAYMENTS ** 35,355.40

2014 - 2 23-APR-15 1105 64 $1,456.80
2014 - 2 11-MAR-15 8888 17 $1,456.80
2014 - 2 11-FEB-15 8888 71 $1,456.80

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 14, 2016 at 12:12:56 pm     #  

ClassyLady, the planned Blarney deli currently is suffering from DT Toledo's "coming soon" syndrome.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 14, 2016 at 12:16:02 pm     #  

Table forty four suffers from a very strange phenomenon unique to me. I have to check once in a while to make sure it still exists because I don't know anyone that goes there, works there, or does business there. That, on its own merits means nothing. My gut says there's no way they're increasing business, and if somehow they are, it indicates either a) a massive turnaround b) more demand than even the most optimistic on this board (that may possibly be me) even dreamed of. Sorry, those guys are historically dicks.

In other news-our buddies at Wesleys are (and have been) hosting Cards against Humanity every Monday, followed by midnight movies. This may encourage me to start skipping Morning work on Tuesday.

posted by ahmahler on Jan 14, 2016 at 12:26:35 pm     #  

From what I can tell you, we've done business with the guys at Table Forty 4, and they paid back everything they owed us last week, a couple years ahead of schedule. That's when they told us about the uptick they've had, etc. I can't speak to the specific property tax issue, but I do know that they've been on a payment plan with the city for a couple years.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 14, 2016 at 01:45:23 pm     #  

Count me among those who do not go to Table 44. Gave them two shots a few years back and won't make that mistake again.

Two observations: anyone that far behind in their tax bill is likely behind in other areas and would make me question the quality of food they buy.
Also: just one property among hundreds (thousands?) that owe back taxes. Why is this allowed to go on? P2H & Co. wants to jack up our taxes because, to her and her ilk, it's the easiest thing to do. Why are we not aggressively trying to collect delinquent taxes and water bills?
Oh........wait.........never mind. Politics as usual in Lucas County, OH.

posted by Foodie on Jan 14, 2016 at 01:53:35 pm     #   1 person liked this

Mi Hacienda is over $30,000 in back taxes owed now. They paid less than $400 in 2015. At what point does a community say no more?

posted by justread on Jan 14, 2016 at 03:32:49 pm     #  

I can tell you if your on a "tax plan" you are paying an amount monthly, that's every month you have a set payment amount.

posted by MIJeff on Jan 14, 2016 at 04:38:20 pm     #  

Easy Street Bar remained open and racked up more than 70k unpaid property taxes before the foreclosure process was completed.

I'd like to see The Blade have a series about this topic. Hopefully that would either squeeze some funds from these chronic deadbeats and/or force sheriff's sales and put the property into more responsible hands.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 14, 2016 at 05:05:55 pm     #  

MIJeff posted at 04:38:20 PM on Jan 14, 2016:

I can tell you if your on a "tax plan" you are paying an amount monthly, that's every month you have a set payment amount.

That's not what the payment history would indicate in this case. Very erratic. And small.

posted by justread on Jan 14, 2016 at 05:07:35 pm     #  

Having a payment plan doesn't always = full and timely payments.

44 is proof.

Enough is enough for the deadbeats. A sheriff's sale notice should be given for 610 Monroe Street. If they don't pay the full amount, there are plenty of locals who would buy that building for a higher price than the delinquent taxes.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 14, 2016 at 05:11:45 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 05:05:55 PM on Jan 14, 2016:

Easy Street Bar remained open and racked up more than 70k unpaid property taxes before the foreclosure process was completed.

I'd like to see The Blade have a series about this topic. Hopefully that would either squeeze some funds from these chronic deadbeats and/or force sheriff's sales and put the property into more responsible hands.

Having struggle once as a small business owner myself, and having compassion for the people who put their own food on the table and ride the market's fickle waves... I still agree. I never viewed taxes as an optional expense. I guess I overestimated the consequences significantly.
If an unforeseen catastrophe occurred, I favor a back tax payment plan arrangement. If they just slow-roll the county for a decade, or essentially the entire time they are operating, they can go. I have no qualms. Go on real welfare. Don't do it the back way posing as a successful business owner and setting nice hours for yourself.

posted by justread on Jan 14, 2016 at 05:13:07 pm     #  

Part of the compassion should go toward the timely paying businesses who I'm sure often struggle to pay their bills.

They should not have to compete with deadbeats such as Forresters, 44, Michael's, etc who via the lack of enforcement, clearly have a competitive advantage.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 14, 2016 at 05:23:55 pm     #   1 person liked this

I should have said if your on a payment plan your SUPPOSED to pay a set amount every month

posted by MIJeff on Jan 14, 2016 at 05:41:14 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 05:23:55 PM on Jan 14, 2016:

Part of the compassion should go toward the timely paying businesses who I'm sure often struggle to pay their bills.

They should not have to compete with deadbeats such as Forresters, 44, Michael's, etc who via the lack of enforcement, clearly have a competitive advantage.

Hopefully that came across.

posted by justread on Jan 14, 2016 at 05:42:37 pm     #  

It did. I like your usage of "slow-roll" so much, expect to see it used again here.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 14, 2016 at 05:45:25 pm     #  

Since I just finished writing a check to the county treasurer, I thought I'd make a post about what's on the invoice.

"According to Ohio Law, if taxes are not paid within sixty days from the date they are certified delinquent, the property is subject to tax foreclosure."

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 14, 2016 at 06:55:12 pm     #  

Finally, a pro-business policy in the county and everyone gripes about it.

posted by JoeyGee on Jan 14, 2016 at 07:37:25 pm     #  

JoeyGee posted at 07:37:25 PM on Jan 14, 2016:

Finally, a pro-business policy in the county and everyone gripes about it.

Huh? Not paying your taxes = "pro business" ????

posted by Foodie on Jan 14, 2016 at 08:24:51 pm     #  

Post on Toledo Talk="sarcasm"....

posted by JoeyGee on Jan 14, 2016 at 08:46:00 pm     #  

Sorry JoeyGee, I was a bit slow on the uptake with that one......

posted by Foodie on Jan 15, 2016 at 08:42:35 am     #  

Visited the Original Sub Shop and Deli for lunch today with my wife and baby....

http://www.yelp.com/biz/original-sub-shop-and-deli-toledo?search_key=88271

I haven't been since the change in ownership, but had heard the new owner has been doing great with the place. We got there around 1130, and the place was empty. By the time we left (1230ish), the place had 2 large tables (6 and 4 I think), us, and I watched a large take-out go as well. NOT super busy, but not too bad for a monday holiday.

The food? SO good. I had the original, a cup of lentil kale and sausage soup, my wife the tuna, and we got an order of hommus to feed the baby. Everything was perfect. Absolutely no complaints.

Great prices, good service, awesome food. I'll be back for sure.

posted by endcycle on Jan 18, 2016 at 01:22:10 pm     #  

"NOT super busy, but not too bad for a monday holiday."

And the coldest day of the winter so far. That was actually a topic of conversation in our lunch room at the office today, of people changing their plans to go out for lunch because they didn't want to deal with the cold, and just eating in instead.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 18, 2016 at 02:18:13 pm     #  

We're here now! I'm having this week's delicious panini and some stellar clam chowder.

posted by upso on Jan 18, 2016 at 02:40:19 pm     #  

The paninis looked great. I'll probably grab one next time.

posted by endcycle on Jan 18, 2016 at 02:43:28 pm     #  

I've been three times in the last month and each time was better than the last. In the past I didn't really care for the bread but that is one of the only changes the new owners have made and their new bread is delicious.

posted by idinspired on Jan 18, 2016 at 03:17:14 pm     #  

I went to the original sub shop for the first time a few weeks ago and was really impressed. The meatball sandwich was really good and the girl working the register (I think it was the owner) was really nice.

posted by jamesteroh on Jan 18, 2016 at 10:43:59 pm     #  

GZ has served his timeout...lift the ban. Saw this across the street @ SB.

Forrester's on the River: Why it's damned stupid to open a restaurant there.

On 2016 Jan 22 Fri 10 am, the contents of "Forrester's on the River" restaurant will be auctioned off as a total liquidation to satisfy debt. The auctioneer Pamela Rose Auction Company has posted [1] that the sale will be "down to the walls" [2] but there might be contention about that, regarding installations like the wooden bars and ventilation system.

Disclaimer: I have no association whatsoever with the auctioneer, the landlord (Dashing Pacific), the bank involved (Genoa Bank), or the restaurant owners (John and Jonathan McQueary, whom I refer to as "McMorons" hereafter).

The reason why this liquidation is happening is that the Toledo area has too many morons who can't admit we are in the middle of a gigantic economic crash of generational scope. Toledo is in the middle of a Great Depression. In such a case, opening a restaurant like Forrester's was totally foolish. The McMorons must have mental issues. But they're not alone... why did Genoa Bank loan them about 200 thousand dollars for this foolishness? Who's the drooling idiot at the bank who approved that loan? I don't blame the landlord Dashing Pacific for signing a lease; after all, the property would have sat vacant otherwise. But the entire venture was just stupid. Imbecilic.

Dashing Pacific filed a court action against the McMorons in the Lucas County Court of Common Pleas, case number G-4801-CI-0201503037-000. Look it up yourself. In the documents attached to the docket for that case, you can find the 60+ page initial filing. That's how I found out the moron Genoa Bank loaned moron money to a couple of McMorons.

But I also found the Lease Ledger. And it sufficiently illuminated the issue for me. By any rational metric, the restaurant had failed by the THIRD month. The ledger clearly shows that the McMorons never fully satisfied their expenses after that point. A raft of natural gas and electric expenses had been paid by the landlord and were therefore charged to the McMorons. Is it normal for a landlord to pay your utility bills when you run a restaurant? Obviously the answer is "no". Obviously the court agrees, since this liquidation is being done to satisfy every dollar of the ledger's end balance.

By month 6, the ledger clearly shows that the McMorons started to have trouble submitting the entire monthly rent and CAM (common area maintenance) payments.

By month 12, the McMorons had bounced a check. After that, rent/CAM was paid only sporadically. Sure, some payments were significant, like a payment of $35000 made 3/04/2015, but by then the balance had swelled to over 156 thousand dollars. So the McMorons were doing the "Table 44" [3] thing... they were just running up a balance that they obviously were never going to make good on.

The ledger clearly indicates that each winter, the restaurant just didn't make good on rent/CAM payments, or utility payments. Either way, the winters at that restaurant were dismal. Why would anyone open a restaurant there? I mean, other than clinically defined mental retardation? And then why would a bank give hundreds of thousands of dollars to obvious imbeciles who propose such a thing?

I myself am going to the auction to do my part in making sure that that site is totally emptied of equipment so that another set of morons don't just move in and try to run a restaurant there. I'm bringing lots of money but I'm not going to bid that high. I deserve a break and with all the utilities and bank money, I suspect that somewhere along the way all of us are paying for the McMorons having their time drooling in microencephalic glee.

[1] http://www.pamelaroseauction.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Forresters-B...

[2] http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/auctionview.cgi?lid=2645053&kwd=&zip=4...

[3] The "Table 44" restaurant is running a huge balance on their property taxes. Why won't Lucas County force them to a tax sale? It looks like our government is more afraid of the restauranteurs than the reverse.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 20, 2016 at 10:36:25 pm     #  

GZ is an idiot even if he is able to make good points.
Forrester's on the River was a terrible restaurant with terrible service. The flopped because they sucked. Nothing to do with a "gigantic economic crash of generational scope"

posted by nits on Jan 20, 2016 at 11:12:41 pm     #   16 people liked this

While no one will confuse Toledo's economy with boom times, its hardly worthy of comparison to The Great Depression. Im guessing reading that comparison would be insulting to people that lived through that.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jan 21, 2016 at 10:27:46 am     #   1 person liked this

Ive been driving for Uber. I can tell you anecdotally...the downtown Toledo bar scene is WEAK on days not starting with "Fri" or "Sat". And its not always booming on those days either. Most are closed VERY early during the week.....and I even see a few closed well before midnight on the weekends. Im not basing my opinion on Uber traffic, Im basing it on what I see. Packo's ?? Regularly a ghost town, including weekend nights. M Osteria? Black Cloister, Table 44, Bronze Boar, Jeds.....all weak Sunday thru Thursday. And many weekends.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jan 21, 2016 at 10:33:25 am     #  

Packo's bar area, is fantastic. Cool place, nice setting, plenty big. And almost always empty. Hell, Packo's barely even staffs the thing when there ARE people in there. We took a gang of guys in there to eat post MudHens game and she acted like we were inconvienencing her. This was about 15 very thirsty guys who had full wallets and time on their hands. We left after the second round.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jan 21, 2016 at 10:37:30 am     #  

BulldogBuckeye posted at 10:33:25 AM on Jan 21, 2016:

Ive been driving for Uber. I can tell you anecdotally...the downtown Toledo bar scene is WEAK on days not starting with "Fri" or "Sat". And its not always booming on those days either. Most are closed VERY early during the week.....and I even see a few closed well before midnight on the weekends. Im not basing my opinion on Uber traffic, Im basing it on what I see. Packo's ?? Regularly a ghost town, including weekend nights. M Osteria? Black Cloister, Table 44, Bronze Boar, Jeds.....all weak Sunday thru Thursday. And many weekends.

We were in town for the past few days and I'll admit I was a bit bummed to drive downtown at night and observe places like M Osteria & Black Cloister seemingly empty. Sure it was cold and a weeknight, but still.

That said, we went to Packo's at the park sunday afternoon and it was PACKED. I think there was some sort of sports ball game going on but the parking lot was full and both the first and second floor were completely seated. This was at like 1pm.

posted by upso on Jan 21, 2016 at 01:19:48 pm     #  

Theo's Mediterranean to-go Cafe on Summit has had a posted sign reading "Closed for the holidays" since before Thanksgiving.

Another crafty way of conveying the widespread "coming soon" epidemic throughout DT.

In their defense, they didn't clarify which holidays.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 23, 2016 at 06:03:46 pm     #  

Great post BulldogBuckeye.

Many of us have known the DT bar/restaurant scene has been dead weeknights for many years. The recent additional businesses certainly have added pressure to the situation and Hensville should add enough pressure to the already struggling businesses...especially after its inaugural year.

Also, if even half the "coming soon" bars/restaurants open, maybe the synergy cheerleaders finally will be silenced. The weeknight emptiness really should be difficult for anybody to deny.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 23, 2016 at 06:12:26 pm     #   1 person liked this

Martini & Nuzzi DT has posted at it's FB page that it's reopening next Friday, January 29th.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 23, 2016 at 06:14:12 pm     #  

Tried to drop in to Registry tonight. Full. 40 ppl at the bar, dining room full + a wedding. DT was packed, walleye game. Headed to Revolution instead-had a great dinner. Along with Kengo (didn't even try), favorite 3 spots in town.

posted by ahmahler on Jan 24, 2016 at 12:04:27 am     #   5 people liked this

Martini and Nuzzi's is opening tomorrow at 11 a.m. I didn't remember them being open for lunch the first time. Their face book page says they hired a chef trained by Betty Timko and they will be open for lunch and dinner daily. Not sure what their weekends hours will be or if they will be open Sunday.

posted by classylady on Jan 28, 2016 at 07:04:15 pm     #  

My boyfriend and I had a late dinner/cocktails at Martini & Nuzzi's tonight.

We decided to wait until around 7:30 when the game started figuring it would be busy before game time. Was pretty dead, especially with the auto show going on and a game night and being opening night. No need for them to have the second floor open.

They really didn't promote the reopening and the way I found out they were reopening was in this thread and looking at their facebook page. They did a segment on the Channel 11 news tonight so hoping that makes people aware they are open.

We were really impressed. Large drink menu, one page of Martini's and another of other cocktails, large selection of beers on tap and a full bar.

Good food menu, our meals were great and came out really fast, attentive and friendly staff, prices are reasonable, food was good and drinks are poured strong.

The only drawbacks to this place as no free parking and the location. There any businesses next to it and the only residential is the Lasalle apartments across the street.

I hope they promote it better and get more business. I feel this restaurant could be a big asset to downtown if people are aware of it. You get a lot of value for your $ compared to other downtown bars

posted by classylady on Jan 29, 2016 at 11:55:05 pm     #   1 person liked this

Was at the Spaghetti Warehouse Saturday, was a lot of people in there at 4pm when we got there, was still pretty packed when we left almost at 5pm.

posted by MIJeff on Jan 30, 2016 at 12:07:30 am     #  

Martini and Nuzzi's was busy late night. I stopped in between 11 and midnight. The ground floor had maybe 25 people, and upstairs had about 60... quite full. Band was good. Service was attentive and well staffed. I hope they do well. That part of downtown needs a boost.

posted by mixman on Jan 30, 2016 at 12:23:37 pm     #   1 person liked this

Hey Molsonator...5 years and 2300 posts for this thread.

Cheers to another 5!

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 30, 2016 at 12:44:59 pm     #   1 person liked this

We should have had a TT meetup at M&Z last night:)

I went to the car show and walked over after and it was around 8. Wasn't busy when I got there but the people that would have downtown for the game would have been at the Huntington Center by then and it was too early for the bar crowd to be out. Hope they do good.

I had a flatbread pizza and two martinis. Martini glasses seemed a little bigger than the martini glasses at the other bars downtown. Really tasty and strong. The bartender at the downstairs bar was really sweet and chatty. Pizza was great. It was only $7.50 with two toppings and was pretty big and filling. I'll definitely go back there for a flatbread pizza at lunch during the week.

I'd also recommend going to the car show. It's only $5 to get in if you buy your ticket online. Nothing like the DTW car show but it's very easy to get around and look at the cars. Jeep/Chrysler/Fiat is giving away free t-shirts so that more than pays for the $5 admission price. There is a cool display of corvette's in the lobby and you can also test drive a Toyota and drive it around the block. If you are downtown and don't want to pay the $5 to get in you can look at the corvette display and test drive the Toyota without a ticket since they are in the lobby.

posted by jamesteroh on Jan 30, 2016 at 02:49:19 pm     #  

HA. We also went to the car show and stopped at Martini & Nuzzi's afterward. I bet we crossed paths, jamesteroh!

We enjoyed our drinks, but decided not to order food so I didn't get a good look at the menu. It was pleasantly busy when we walked in, but people cleared out pretty quickly to get to the game.

posted by kaj on Jan 31, 2016 at 12:57:50 pm     #  

Toledo's recent favorite of the propagandists, Market on the Green, posted on FB that chicken is discounted 50% through next Tuesday.

This is a place that's mission includes providing food to poor people, but they're also touting fine meat cuts including lamb chops. LOL

Note: Be sure to check expiration dates when shopping there because the shelves are collecting dust.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 31, 2016 at 01:02:12 pm     #  

Decent crowd before the Walleye game on Saturday night at M & N. Had the flatbread pizza also, which was very good. And a Martini. Was going to stop in after the game because of the band "Sweet Tea Band" but never made it back. I liked the atmosphere, bartender Erica was very good, and it was a nice change of pace for the usual hangouts downtown

posted by Hoops on Feb 01, 2016 at 08:16:31 am     #  

I'll have to try the flatbread pizza next time we go to Martini and Nuzzi's, I thought about the meatball pizza but was in the mood for a sandwich and onion rings. The buffalo shrimp appetizer was really good and their onion rings are the best onion rings I've had downtown.

posted by classylady on Feb 01, 2016 at 09:41:27 am     #  

My sister and brother in law decided to go bar hopping last night downtown to celebrate her birthday. I went with them to two bar but they went to five and each ordered the same drink (see ordered a G&T with Tanq. and he ordered a beer, can't remember which one) and they decided to compare prices.

Cheapest was Pizza Papalis.
2 was Cock and Bull
3 was Blarney
4 was table forty-four
most expensive was Durty Bird.

She stated there was a considerable price difference between PP's price and the drink prices at table 44 and Durty Bird.

posted by classylady on Feb 04, 2016 at 04:53:09 pm     #   1 person liked this

My sister and brother in law decided to go bar hopping last night downtown to celebrate her birthday. I went with them to two bar but they went to five and each ordered the same drink (see ordered a G&T with Tanq. and he ordered a beer, can't remember which one) and they decided to compare prices.

Cheapest was Pizza Papalis.
2 was Cock and Bull
3 was Blarney
4 was table forty-four
most expensive was Durty Bird.

She stated there was a considerable price difference between PP's price and the drink prices at table 44 and Durty Bird.

posted by classylady on Feb 04, 2016 at 04:53:10 pm     #  

Sorry about the double post, not sure what happened

posted by classylady on Feb 04, 2016 at 04:54:18 pm     #  

Spoke with a lady at Biggby when I went to grab lunch at subway this afternoon. She said they will be open tomorrow.

posted by stooks on Feb 09, 2016 at 01:19:25 pm     #  

Speaking of which, anybody know the timeline for Plate 21?

posted by Johio83 on Feb 09, 2016 at 02:44:17 pm     #  

Is that actually happening?

posted by upso on Feb 09, 2016 at 03:54:50 pm     #  

Upso, Plate 21 is happening but it will probably be a couple months.

I work at the PNC building across the street from the Ohio Building and chat with the day security guard sometimes when I go into 5/3rd. He said Plate 21 is opening and she is waiting to get approval on her liquor license since she is planning on serving adult beverages after 4 and on special events. The security guard is Dave Balls father.

posted by classylady on Feb 09, 2016 at 05:20:46 pm     #  

I checked out Biggby earlier today. Taylor and Jakob from the Ohio Building are still baristas. They said Jody is at another store and they have a new manager who is either a new hire or from another store. Space is half the size as Ohio Building but looks good.

No business, I was the only customer at 11ish this morning. But they didn't do a good job of promoting it, I only found out about their reopening through this thread

posted by classylady on Feb 10, 2016 at 02:32:30 pm     #  

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