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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

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classylady posted at 12:37:59 AM on Sep 25, 2017:

Giamarco is losing money downtown? Osteria always looked like it was doing a good business to me

Most likely, but he has enough money so burning some of it operating Osteria isn't much concern.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 25, 2017 at 07:49:36 am     #  

6th_Floor posted at 10:23:50 AM on Sep 24, 2017:
daddyg posted at 06:29:30 PM on Sep 23, 2017:

I was surprised to see that Avenue Bistro has closed. Really liked the food and there were a couple of servers there who had been with them a long time. Anyone know the story?

Giamarco has a lot of money, but he decided if he was going to lose money owning a bar/restaurant he'd prefer to only lose money DT.

Me thinks someone is too old to be awake late enough to see the line of people waiting to get upstairs on the weekends.

posted by Johio83 on Sep 25, 2017 at 08:18:16 am     #   1 person liked this

Me thinks you're incorrect.

I'm also not too young or old to see the nights they are closed before 10pm.

:)

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 25, 2017 at 08:44:18 am     #  

There's an old saying in the restaurant business-Nothing good happens after 10pm.

posted by ahmahler on Sep 25, 2017 at 09:40:54 am     #  

Got a chance to check out the Heights yesterday. There was a line waiting for the doors to open at 4 and within 20 minutes the place was PACKED. This new view of Downtown really highlights the vision Promedica had in their move. No question this new roof top bar will be constantly packed in the warmer months of the year.

Came back downtown today for brunch at Durty Bird. Not only were they packed but Downtown as a whole seemed to be buzzing with life. Feels like we are at a tipping point with activation... really curious to see what this will all look like in the next few years.

posted by upso on Oct 01, 2017 at 03:00:56 pm     #   5 people liked this

The Heights is one of my new favorites. The Chop House is scheduled to open in about 30 days !!

posted by Hoops on Oct 01, 2017 at 04:57:36 pm     #  

Really looking forward to that l!

posted by upso on Oct 01, 2017 at 06:39:23 pm     #  

There was a 45 minute wait for a table at Poco Loco Friday night.

I'm really looking forward to Chop House opening.

Durty Bird was packed last night.

If the restaurant business and night life continue to pick up, I hope the city seriously considers requiring residential permits on St. Clair St which was brought up at the last Warehouse District meeting. I'm thankful for all the new business downtown but for people who live on St. Clair it's a pain when you can't find parking because restaurant employees are taking up the street spots

posted by classylady on Oct 01, 2017 at 07:36:56 pm     #  

I was wondering if there was any update on Cilantro's since they were suppose to have opened back up tomorrow and their facebook page is gone. Has he given up on reopening since it appears he won't be getting a liquor license and/or couldn't find any $100,000 investors for his million dollar business?

posted by classylady on Oct 01, 2017 at 07:38:20 pm     #  

http://www.toledoblade.com/business/2017/09/29/Downtown-Toledo-master-plan-wins-statewide-honor.html

Continued momentum

posted by ahmahler on Oct 01, 2017 at 09:34:19 pm     #  

classylady posted at 07:36:56 PM on Oct 01, 2017:

There was a 45 minute wait for a table at Poco Loco Friday night.

I'm really looking forward to Chop House opening.

Durty Bird was packed last night.

If the restaurant business and night life continue to pick up, I hope the city seriously considers requiring residential permits on St. Clair St which was brought up at the last Warehouse District meeting. I'm thankful for all the new business downtown but for people who live on St. Clair it's a pain when you can't find parking because restaurant employees are taking up the street spots

What buildings on St. Clair that have residential don't also offer private parking?

posted by upso on Oct 01, 2017 at 09:45:27 pm     #  

River West and St. Clair village only have one parking spot per unit. If you have a couple living there or a roommate and you both have cars it means one has to park on the street.

At the last warehouse district meeting I was at several residents were complaining that due to Hensville bars and all the activity downtown that it is difficult to find a parking spot when they get off work or on a big event night due to the St. Clair restaurant employees parking on the street before they get off work or people that are attending concerts or eating out downtown taking those spots. The residents are encouraging the warehouse district board to encourage the city to start requiring residential parking permits on St. Clair south of Lafyette. The residents at the meeting said they have no issues paying for a permit providing the city enforces it 24/7.

posted by classylady on Oct 01, 2017 at 10:34:52 pm     #  

I see they have put some tables and chairs in the old Bigby space in the Ohio Building and it appeared that constructions workers were doing work yesterday. Hopefully this is a sign they will open up soon.

posted by classylady on Oct 03, 2017 at 11:55:27 pm     #  

She's had a plumbing issue. Everything else is pretty much ready to go, but that needs to get resolved first.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 04, 2017 at 07:03:38 am     #  

classylady posted at 11:55:27 PM on Oct 03, 2017:

I see they have put some tables and chairs in the old Bigby space in the Ohio Building and it appeared that constructions workers were doing work yesterday. Hopefully this is a sign they will open up soon.

What is this?

posted by ckbeats21 on Oct 04, 2017 at 12:47:58 pm     #  

It's in regards to Sandy Spang's new coffee shop opening up in the old Bigby space.

posted by upso on Oct 04, 2017 at 01:55:42 pm     #  

I'm anxious for Plate 21 to open, it was suppose to have opened over a year ago.

Any word of Food and Fodder? I was told that was going to open mid to late last month.

Someone in my office told me they went by Cilantro's yesterday on the way to Magic Wok and it looked like all the furniture was removed, looks like they won't be opening back up. I hope no one was foolish enough to give him $100G's:)

posted by classylady on Oct 04, 2017 at 02:44:00 pm     #  

Did Fowl and Fodder get Pizza Kittened?

posted by justread on Oct 04, 2017 at 04:40:05 pm     #  

No it's happening. They've got plans in the windows and there has been work going on pretty much every time I've driven by.

posted by upso on Oct 04, 2017 at 04:47:36 pm     #  

I should also note that they are actively hiring...

posted by upso on Oct 04, 2017 at 04:47:58 pm     #  

Yeah, F&F's progress has been extremely visible. You almost have to go out of your way to not notice how much work is getting done if you're anywhere around the Court House Block.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 04, 2017 at 05:29:01 pm     #  

upso posted at 04:47:36 PM on Oct 04, 2017:

No it's happening. They've got plans in the windows and there has been work going on pretty much every time I've driven by.

Sorry, it was a subtle name change joke based on a post above. Pizza Cat/Pizza Kitten/Pizza Lion/Pizza Tiger... Fowl and Fodder/Food and Fodder. Never mind. :(

posted by justread on Oct 04, 2017 at 06:54:30 pm     #  

Typo with Fowl and Fodder. I have noticed progress is being done but they announced they were to be open mid-Sept, I was just wondering if they had a new predicted open date. Seems like every downtown business opens a lot later than predicted.

It seems like Promedica renovated the Edison Plant and build a new parking garage in less time than it's taking Plate 21 to open up a coffee shop that was previously a coffee shop for over 15 years.

posted by classylady on Oct 04, 2017 at 08:50:31 pm     #   1 person liked this

You are comparing apples to watermelons. Small business canít compete with the resources of the likes of Promedica... especially when the small business isnít the full time job of the owner (Sandy)

posted by upso on Oct 04, 2017 at 09:04:38 pm     #  

And even though it went from coffee shop to coffee house, it was a complete overhaul.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 04, 2017 at 09:34:18 pm     #  

I had dinner with the owner of a very successful newer restaurant in Detroit last night. We had a long talk about how to build hype -never, ever, never ever-give an opening date, until you really know (I.e.-construction is finished, inspections have passed, staff has been hired, etc). Until then, even giving a half year window, can be off, and viewed as a failure of planning, resources, construction, government, etc. many, many things go wrong, having to deal with PR fallout as a result, only hurts. And you know what? Heís 100% right. You gain NOTHING by announcing an opening, months out. Even though youíre excited, and everyone is asking. This thread should serve as exhibit A, about how to handle openings. People are always going to talk and speculate, you control that, but you can choose to not feed the beast.

posted by ahmahler on Oct 04, 2017 at 10:32:11 pm     #  

It's kinda like telling your girlfriend you'll get married in "a year or so". That never goes well.

posted by JoeyGee on Oct 05, 2017 at 06:58:29 am     #   2 people liked this

I've been saying the same things for years. What can go wrong, inevitably will and then business owners look foolish opening many months after announced plans.

If Sandy Spang's place finally opens it'll be no less than 18 months from the initial date. It'll be a complete burial at that location anyway.

When F & F had their go fund me drive, they said they were going to open early spring 2017. It was obvious they weren't going to open at that time. Now, 6 months later they're near completion.

Hot Box Cafe/Diner is opening at the Galaxy Diner location on Erie Street.

posted by 6th_Floor on Oct 05, 2017 at 07:11:45 am     #  

6th_Floor posted at 07:11:45 AM on Oct 05, 2017:

I've been saying the same things for years. What can go wrong, inevitably will and then business owners look foolish opening many months after announced plans.

If Sandy Spang's place finally opens it'll be no less than 18 months from the initial date. It'll be a complete burial at that location anyway.

When F & F had their go fund me drive, they said they were going to open early spring 2017. It was obvious they weren't going to open at that time. Now, 6 months later they're near completion.

Hot Box Cafe/Diner is opening at the Galaxy Diner location on Erie Street.

Any more info on the Hot Box Cafe? What is the address?

posted by ckbeats21 on Oct 05, 2017 at 08:29:34 am     #  

"... even giving a half year window, can be off, and viewed as a failure of planning, resources, construction, government, etc. many, many things go wrong, having to deal with PR fallout as a result, only hurts. And you know what? Heís 100% right. You gain NOTHING by announcing an opening, months out."

Is Hensville too big to use as an example of how that 100 percent claim is incorrect?

In late August 2015, Hensville planned to open for Mud Hens opening day, Apr 7, 2016. That's more than seven months between those dates.

In early December 2015, Hensvilled planned to open before opening day. They must have been eyeing St. Patrick's Day weekend more than three months in advance.

And Hensville opened for St. Patrick's Day weekend 2016.

How did Hensville do it? Have they shared their experience with the public to help small business owners?

Even if Hensville is not considered a small business, it seems that something from their renovation experience could be helpful for others.

Or did the following occur?

I was inbibing with some experienced bar people who laughed that Hensville was able to jump through all the pre-opening inspections, re-inspections and permits from the Toledo Building Inspection, Lucas County Health Department, Toledo Fire Department and Ohio Liquor Control.

These inspections are required AFTER CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED in order for mere mortals to get an occupancy permit for a bar / restaurant.

I was downtown last weekend and Hensville construction was not completed. No way the construction, inspections and permits got done in 3 days. I even heard that there remains exposed wiring in several areas through the Henhouse.

posted by jr on Oct 05, 2017 at 09:14:45 am     #   2 people liked this

Whats it going to take to get a legit deli (other than Big Apple), with evening hours, to open in this gd city :>) Warehouse District would be a great location.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Oct 05, 2017 at 09:22:15 am     #  

JR-as with everything- power, money and influence negate all of the previous rules.

posted by ahmahler on Oct 05, 2017 at 09:55:34 am     #   1 person liked this

jr's post magnifies both forms of guvmint city and county are strictly do as I say not what I do propositions. All pigs are created equal. Oink Oink.

posted by Mariner on Oct 05, 2017 at 09:58:52 am     #  

I'd love to see a deli in the warehouse district/downtown. Especially if they offered things like cheesecake and desserts. A lot of times in the summer boyfriend and I will have a craving for ice cream or a sweet and it's a pain driving someplace at 9 p.m. just for ice cream.

What happened with the upscale deli that was suppose to go in by the Blarney? I remember hearing he ran into some problems at that location and was going to try to relocate it to another downtown location (last I heard the Berdan but that isn't happening since Tin Can is going in there) and haven't heard anything about that in a long time.

posted by classylady on Oct 05, 2017 at 10:32:42 am     #  

I'm not up to date with all the pending project downtown, but I do enjoy them once completed.

Anyways, with the success of The Heights (only negative is slow service, I don't think they anticipated the popularity), does the Tower on the Maumee have any plans for a restaurant in the upper levels or will it be all residential.

Seems like it would be a perfect spot considering location, view, residents and success of the Heights.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Oct 05, 2017 at 10:35:43 am     #  

BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:22:15 AM on Oct 05, 2017:

Whats it going to take to get a legit deli (other than Big Apple), with evening hours, to open in this gd city :>) Warehouse District would be a great location.

DUDE seriously. I was just in NYC, and our lack of a true deli in this city is painful. :(

and no, kids, barry's does not count.

posted by endcycle on Oct 05, 2017 at 10:36:06 am     #   1 person liked this

BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:22:15 AM on Oct 05, 2017:

Whats it going to take to get a legit deli (other than Big Apple), with evening hours, to open in this gd city :>) Warehouse District would be a great location.

I got ya covered. I'm going to have a sign printed up with an opening date of April 2018 for the Warehouse District Deli. I'm going to slap it on a random empty building in the district and sit back and read all the comments about lack of progress on the building.

Apparently, that's a thing.

posted by JoeyGee on Oct 05, 2017 at 10:52:23 am     #  

I wish Focaccia's had better hours, they are the closest thing to a deli we have downtown but the hours suck but that is a location that only gets the lunch time crowd.

I wish we could get a decent wine and a decent martini bar downtown or in the warehouse district. The martini bar in St. Clair village was really good but didn't last long

posted by classylady on Oct 05, 2017 at 11:06:07 am     #  

ahmahler posted at 09:55:34 AM on Oct 05, 2017:

JR-as with everything- power, money and influence negate all of the previous rules.

Don't bring me down, bro. Your negative comment rattles my faith in humanity.

As Mariner suggested, that sounds like something from Orwell's allegory Animal Farm where the pigs violate their own commandments of decency by settling on:

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

The sentence is a comment on the hypocrisy of governments that proclaim the absolute equality of their citizens but give power and privileges to a small elite.

If inequality exists in Toledo and Lucas County, Ohio for something benign like the opening of restaurants, bars, and other small businesses, then it's naive to expect equality in broader, more important areas of life.

The worst part is not the actions of government or the so-called elite because they are acting as expected. Most everyone else tolerating the pigs behavior is unfortunate.

But as long as the businesses finally open and my meal and drinks are served quickly and with quality at a reasonable price, then I'm satisfied, especially when I'm eating carnitas tacos. Who has the energy to care about anything else?

posted by jr on Oct 05, 2017 at 11:21:50 am     #  

JoeyGee posted at 10:52:23 AM on Oct 05, 2017:
BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:22:15 AM on Oct 05, 2017:

Whats it going to take to get a legit deli (other than Big Apple), with evening hours, to open in this gd city :>) Warehouse District would be a great location.

I got ya covered. I'm going to have a sign printed up with an opening date of April 2018 for the Warehouse District Deli. I'm going to slap it on a random empty building in the district and sit back and read all the comments about lack of progress on the building.

Apparently, that's a thing.

I read on the internet that a sign for a deli was going up, but I have seen NOTHING.

posted by justread on Oct 05, 2017 at 12:21:59 pm     #   4 people liked this

classylady posted at 10:32:42 AM on Oct 05, 2017:

I'd love to see a deli in the warehouse district/downtown. Especially if they offered things like cheesecake and desserts. A lot of times in the summer boyfriend and I will have a craving for ice cream or a sweet and it's a pain driving someplace at 9 p.m. just for ice cream.

What happened with the upscale deli that was suppose to go in by the Blarney? I remember hearing he ran into some problems at that location and was going to try to relocate it to another downtown location (last I heard the Berdan but that isn't happening since Tin Can is going in there) and haven't heard anything about that in a long time.

The space ended up being too small for everything they were trying to accomplish, so they pivoted. It will be opening soon as a sidewalk-focused quick service spot, with a walk-up window for drinks. Should be a really cool concept to capitalize on the DORA.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 05, 2017 at 12:41:49 pm     #  

BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:22:15 AM on Oct 05, 2017:

Whats it going to take to get a legit deli (other than Big Apple), with evening hours, to open in this gd city :>) Warehouse District would be a great location.

It will take someone actually doing it. Know anyone?

posted by Johio83 on Oct 05, 2017 at 12:42:59 pm     #  

The walkup bar will be really cool in the summertime on game days and during events like art loop.

posted by classylady on Oct 05, 2017 at 02:52:44 pm     #  

justread posted at 12:21:59 PM on Oct 05, 2017:
JoeyGee posted at 10:52:23 AM on Oct 05, 2017:
BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:22:15 AM on Oct 05, 2017:

Whats it going to take to get a legit deli (other than Big Apple), with evening hours, to open in this gd city :>) Warehouse District would be a great location.

I got ya covered. I'm going to have a sign printed up with an opening date of April 2018 for the Warehouse District Deli. I'm going to slap it on a random empty building in the district and sit back and read all the comments about lack of progress on the building.

Apparently, that's a thing.

I read on the internet that a sign for a deli was going up, but I have seen NOTHING.

Toledoans have been missing the signs for years.

posted by JoeyGee on Oct 05, 2017 at 03:28:26 pm     #  

JoeyGee posted at 03:28:26 PM on Oct 05, 2017:
justread posted at 12:21:59 PM on Oct 05, 2017:
JoeyGee posted at 10:52:23 AM on Oct 05, 2017:
BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:22:15 AM on Oct 05, 2017:

Whats it going to take to get a legit deli (other than Big Apple), with evening hours, to open in this gd city :>) Warehouse District would be a great location.

I got ya covered. I'm going to have a sign printed up with an opening date of April 2018 for the Warehouse District Deli. I'm going to slap it on a random empty building in the district and sit back and read all the comments about lack of progress on the building.

Apparently, that's a thing.

I read on the internet that a sign for a deli was going up, but I have seen NOTHING.

Toledoans have been missing the signs for years.

Yeah, but there was a spike around 2009. :D

posted by justread on Oct 05, 2017 at 04:32:33 pm     #  

Sign stealing city workers.... nevermind. Tough crowd.

posted by justread on Oct 06, 2017 at 11:36:00 am     #  

daddyg posted at 06:29:30 PM on Sep 23, 2017:

I was surprised to see that Avenue Bistro has closed. Really liked the food and there were a couple of servers there who had been with them a long time. Anyone know the story?

Don't know the story, but looks like Poco Piatti (sp?) is moving in. Sign is already on the building.

Poco Piatti is officially on the clock.

posted by JoeyGee on Oct 07, 2017 at 09:37:41 pm     #  

Thatís a great location for Poco. Theyíll kill it over there.

posted by ahmahler on Oct 08, 2017 at 09:18:22 am     #  

If Pier 7 doesn't improve how they're doing things, they won't be in business much longer.

More of a joke operation than Kobe Bay was during it's first attempt.

posted by 6th_Floor on Oct 08, 2017 at 12:31:12 pm     #  

To be honest, I didnít realize they were actually open! Have they advertised at all?

posted by upso on Oct 08, 2017 at 12:37:11 pm     #  

They need to advertise for somebody to donate a few tables...along with a licensed plumber.

Maybe if they follow Forrester's path and don't pay rent for several years, and/or enough people buy their $13 grilled cheese sandwiches, they will do ok there.

posted by 6th_Floor on Oct 08, 2017 at 12:48:30 pm     #  

Upso, you probably should visit Pier 7 because they could use one of your patented 4* or 5* yelp reviews. Post a reminder if/when you visit because I want to see how you review that dump.

posted by 6th_Floor on Oct 08, 2017 at 12:59:36 pm     #   1 person liked this

Hey cool. Just in time for all the heavy boat traffic on the emerald river.

posted by Mariner on Oct 08, 2017 at 02:15:12 pm     #  

ahmahler posted at 09:18:22 AM on Oct 08, 2017:

Thatís a great location for Poco. Theyíll kill it over there.

Wasnít Poco originally located on Monroe St. and moved to Levis Commons?

posted by dell_diva on Oct 08, 2017 at 03:44:26 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 12:59:36 PM on Oct 08, 2017:

Upso, you probably should visit Pier 7 because they could use one of your patented 4* or 5* yelp reviews. Post a reminder if/when you visit because I want to see how you review that dump.

No thanks. Iíll take your patented one star review as a warning.

posted by upso on Oct 08, 2017 at 04:08:13 pm     #   5 people liked this

I'm at Fowl and Fodder on central and the chalk board says that the Adams street location opens on October 30.

posted by suz on Oct 09, 2017 at 04:01:22 pm     #  

I think they were originally in the same strip as the late Revolution Grill.

posted by suz on Oct 09, 2017 at 04:07:13 pm     #  

upso posted at 12:37:11 PM on Oct 08, 2017:

To be honest, I didnít realize they were actually open! Have they advertised at all?

It looks like they did a facebook-based grand opening event last Friday, $50 per person, 8-12.

posted by justread on Oct 09, 2017 at 04:28:05 pm     #  

Fowl & Fodder Downtown-Opening Monday, October 30th

posted by ahmahler on Oct 10, 2017 at 09:14:29 am     #  

ahmahler posted at 09:14:29 AM on Oct 10, 2017:

Fowl & Fodder Downtown-Opening Monday, October 30th

Any word on hours they'll be open?

posted by ckbeats21 on Oct 10, 2017 at 10:00:19 am     #  

Word is they are starting with breakfast and lunch, 8-4. Looking like they will be open on the weekends as well!

posted by upso on Oct 10, 2017 at 12:43:44 pm     #  

They have a liquor license as well. Will have Bloody Marys, mimosas and a curated adult beverage offering

posted by ahmahler on Oct 10, 2017 at 02:31:15 pm     #   1 person liked this

http://www.wtol.com/story/36564706/new-city-egg-restaurant-coming-to-downtown-toledo

Spinoff of Cafť Marie - going to be in the new lower level of the parking garage

posted by Xbuckeyex on Oct 10, 2017 at 04:28:24 pm     #  

Not a fan of Cafť Marie, but this doesn't look half bad: http://cityeggrestaurants.com/

posted by upso on Oct 10, 2017 at 04:40:42 pm     #  

Chicago Tribune, ladies and gentlemen...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/travel/ct-trav-toledo-ohio-1022-story.html

posted by ahmahler on Oct 10, 2017 at 10:18:59 pm     #  

I canít be expected to scroll down and read 5 topics. 4 is generally where I start getting bored.

;)

posted by ahmahler on Oct 10, 2017 at 10:47:32 pm     #  

Looks like Riverfront Apartments are renting out market rate units, but only when existing low-income residents leave. Is anyone familiar with the current population there?

posted by ckbeats21 on Oct 12, 2017 at 06:29:29 pm     #  

This is insanely huge: http://tol.bz/2i6Eoow

posted by upso on Oct 12, 2017 at 08:17:18 pm     #   3 people liked this

whoah. that IS exciting.

posted by endcycle on Oct 13, 2017 at 09:23:56 am     #  

The momentum in downtown is ridiculous right now. It's honestly getting difficult to keep track of everything that is going on, whether currently under construction/development, or in the pipeline.

Restaurants/Bars/Etc currently in progress:
Barry Bagels and the Chop House in the ProMedica Junction building.
CItyEgg in the ProMedica garage.
Not sure if public yet, so a "non-local coffee shop," which I believe is also going into the ProMedica garage.
Balance in the Fiberglas Tower garage.
Plate One in the Ohio Building
Fowl & Fodder on Adams.
Two yet-to-be-announced restaurants in the old S Metzger / Al Peake / Sunkist building.
Tin Can in the Berdan Building.
A pizza place on Ontario St, focusing on delivery.

Others that have been touring buildings in search of a location downtown:
A bbq joint
A breakfast place
A southern/soul food restaurant

Things on my wishlist:
A noodle place
A Jewish deli (or really any true deli)

That's a lot of eateries coming down here. We'll have an estimated 2,000 extra jobs in the middle of downtown by the time ProMedica finishes Phase Two of its move, plus Hart, Directions Credit Union, and any others I'm not thinking of right now joining the movement. Plus the Hotel Seagate redevelopment. Plus all the residential going on: Berdan (115 units), Fiberglas (106 units), Marina District (360 units), Nasby (who knows, but 9 stories... 75-100 units?), Fort Industry Square (no idea how to estimate that one). That could easily be another 1,000 residents in downtown by the time they're done.

It's crazy to think how far we've come in the past 5 years, and what kinds of big projects we'll be drooling over 5 years from now.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 13, 2017 at 09:38:53 am     #  

All of that said, my single biggest concern in downtown is the need for parking garages - and probably a handful of them - throughout downtown.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 13, 2017 at 09:48:37 am     #  

Per Jorge's FB today:
Cilantro's is ready to REOPEN
We are now hiring
For all positions
Resume only

posted by stooks on Oct 13, 2017 at 10:24:25 am     #  

I see that Cilantro has a new facebook page up but no info on it. Did he delete his old one to get rid of all the bad reviews? Does he have his liquor license? Does he have an opening date (whenever anyplace downtown announces an opening date anymore I add at least three months to it until they actually open).

Last year Dave Ball's dad told someone in my office Domino's was coming downtown but wouldn't elaborate on the location. Is that the pizza delivery place going in on Ontario street?

posted by classylady on Oct 13, 2017 at 10:37:58 am     #  

I'd like to see a noodle place come downtown. I don't know of any decent ones in Toledo to be honest.

A couple things I would like to see open up are a bakery that is open on weekends or at least Saturday mornings, a Froyo and/or ice cream store that is open later in the night and/or weekends, a convenience type grocery store like they used to have in St. Clair Village and a restaurant that serves a decent Sunday brunch.

posted by classylady on Oct 13, 2017 at 10:42:21 am     #  

Per his facebook, in the comments, he says yes on the license.

posted by stooks on Oct 13, 2017 at 10:44:23 am     #  

"Domino's [...] is that the pizza delivery place going in on Ontario street?"

It is not, though Domino's could very well be coming down and going somewhere else. Little Caesar's is going to be building a store on Broadway and Walbridge, which should be a positive for the Historic Sound End.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 13, 2017 at 10:50:53 am     #  

upso posted at 08:17:18 PM on Oct 12, 2017:

This is insanely huge: http://tol.bz/2i6Eoow

Fun video here: https://www.facebook.com/balancegrille/videos/10156138110262985/

Sorry anti FB folks!

posted by upso on Oct 13, 2017 at 11:02:43 am     #  

Cool video. Thanks for share and seems like a very exciting project.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Oct 13, 2017 at 11:14:34 am     #  

I live at the Riverfront Apartments. I haven't seen anyone moving in for a while now. Just see people leaving. I've seen some of the units that will be going Market Rate, they def. do not look to be something to be in that building. I also can't understand how they are going to charge market rate with all the issues they have. (Elevators go down, smells like urine in the back hallway, sewage smell that comes through the wall outlets, the parking garage that is a dump. Which bring me to my next point- they upped our parking in the garage from $40/month to $60/month. For residents you can park at Park Smart across the street a much nicer garage for $45/month. I emailed the provided email address to address my concerns with why we were paying more and there was no work being done to the garage except new gates to enter and exit. This was the response I got with my questions/concerns.

To respond to some of your questions, The owners are in the process of getting quotes to upgrades and repairs in the garage including new LED lighting and work on the concrete structure. The over head gates have been repaired as of last Monday and will be put into operation shortly, they are being tied into the new automation equipment.
We are working on installing camera throughout the garage.
As far as parking passes for your guests those were offered by the apartment management company, which the owners are not associated with at this time. The new equipment is not capable of utilizing vouchers.
Also the owners of the garage dictate the costs and it is not an option for the garage manager to make changes.
Thanks for you feedback and inquiries

posted by stooks on Oct 13, 2017 at 11:29:05 am     #  

It was last year when I heard about Dominos coming downtown and I haven't heard anything since so either he either had some bad information or they decided it wasn't feasible.

I am willing to give Jorge another shot once he has his liquor license. I hope he does well, with old man winter not too far away it would be nice to have another Mexican restaurant that is an easy stumble home after a couple margaritas:) We can tolerate walking one way to Poco Loco in nice weather (and sometimes both ways) but we don't enjoy walking in zero degree weather and businesses don't have a good reputation in this city for keeping their sidewalks clean in the winter time. Hopefully Jorge learned from his mistakes the first time he was open, his food truck seemed to be a success but I can tell you from managing a restaurant in a prior life it's a lot of hard work if you do it correctly

Another business I would enjoy seeing downtown (or any place in Toledo) is a good tapas place.

posted by classylady on Oct 13, 2017 at 11:39:11 am     #  

These restaurants that are opening downtown, on the hopes that Promedica employees will be eating lunch at their establishments... do they realize that these employees only have 30-60 minutes for lunch? Thatís including walking or drive time. Plus Iím sure ProMedica will have a cafeteria in the building, with the added perk of being able to use payroll deduction to pay for lunch. I just hope these restaurants are putting all of their eggs in Promedicaís basket.

I donít get downtown too often But was down there a couple of weekends ago. It still looks like the dump it always has. The crumbling buildings and just overall crappy facade of everything.... Iím not seeing this ďamazing, insaneĒ revitalization that people talk about.

posted by dell_diva on Oct 13, 2017 at 12:09:33 pm     #  

classylady posted at 11:39:11 AM on Oct 13, 2017:

It was last year when I heard about Dominos coming downtown and I haven't heard anything since so either he either had some bad information or they decided it wasn't feasible.

I am willing to give Jorge another shot once he has his liquor license. I hope he does well, with old man winter not too far away it would be nice to have another Mexican restaurant that is an easy stumble home after a couple margaritas:) We can tolerate walking one way to Poco Loco in nice weather (and sometimes both ways) but we don't enjoy walking in zero degree weather and businesses don't have a good reputation in this city for keeping their sidewalks clean in the winter time. Hopefully Jorge learned from his mistakes the first time he was open, his food truck seemed to be a success but I can tell you from managing a restaurant in a prior life it's a lot of hard work if you do it correctly

Another business I would enjoy seeing downtown (or any place in Toledo) is a good tapas place.

Are the market rate units updated? And how are the people who live there?

posted by ckbeats21 on Oct 13, 2017 at 12:39:41 pm     #  

dell_diva posted at 12:09:33 PM on Oct 13, 2017:

These restaurants that are opening downtown, on the hopes that Promedica employees will be eating lunch at their establishments... do they realize that these employees only have 30-60 minutes for lunch? Thatís including walking or drive time. Plus Iím sure ProMedica will have a cafeteria in the building, with the added perk of being able to use payroll deduction to pay for lunch. I just hope these restaurants are putting all of their eggs in Promedicaís basket.

I donít get downtown too often But was down there a couple of weekends ago. It still looks like the dump it always has. The crumbling buildings and just overall crappy facade of everything.... Iím not seeing this ďamazing, insaneĒ revitalization that people talk about.

Just keep a bowl of popcorn handy because there will be plenty of closings not too long after the latest round of new bar/rest capacity is completed.

I work DT and so I see what's happening and most of these new places are completely dead during mornings and all the new places have accomplished is noticeably decrease traffic elsewhere DT.

It's great seeing what's happening at the Fiberglass Tower, but the enthusiasm has more bark than bite...as usual.

posted by 6th_Floor on Oct 13, 2017 at 01:06:10 pm     #  

ck-did you mean to quote me? My post had nothing to do with the Riverfront Apartments.

Last I heard they were allowing to any income based people to stay but as they moved out all new tenants would be market rent and rent wouldn't be based on income. I think that makes sense seeing the old Fiberglas tower next door is going to be higher end rentals and with Promedica now downtown Riverfront would be a prefect location for an employee to live at if they are single or a childless couple.

I would just call the management office with your questions. I'd hope they would renovate market rate apartments seeing they are getting a lot more revenue.

I realize they can't just evict income based tenants under a lease to get market rent tenants but why aren't they telling the income based tenants at the end of their lease they have to start paying market rent or move? They could be getting a lot more rent money that way. It would also make the apartments more marketable, if I were looking to move into an apartment I would have a huge issue paying triple the rent as someone with an identical unit who has reduced rent just based on their income.

posted by classylady on Oct 13, 2017 at 01:29:31 pm     #  

Sure, competition will knock some out of business. And some just won't be good from the get-go, and fail. But you've been forecasting downtown's doom for years now, yet every year that passes, more businesses are thriving. When is the last time there have been fewer establishments at year's end than year's beginning?

posted by Johio83 on Oct 13, 2017 at 01:35:03 pm     #  

Speaking of the Berdan Bldg as someone did above: from the exterior, the makeover is nothing short of phenomenal. I pass by it every evening on the way home and just marvel at what they've been able to do with that property.

A tip of the evening cocktail to those responsible. Well done.

posted by Foodie on Oct 13, 2017 at 04:07:41 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 01:06:10 PM on Oct 13, 2017:
dell_diva posted at 12:09:33 PM on Oct 13, 2017:

These restaurants that are opening downtown, on the hopes that Promedica employees will be eating lunch at their establishments... do they realize that these employees only have 30-60 minutes for lunch? Thatís including walking or drive time. Plus Iím sure ProMedica will have a cafeteria in the building, with the added perk of being able to use payroll deduction to pay for lunch. I just hope these restaurants are putting all of their eggs in Promedicaís basket.

I donít get downtown too often But was down there a couple of weekends ago. It still looks like the dump it always has. The crumbling buildings and just overall crappy facade of everything.... Iím not seeing this ďamazing, insaneĒ revitalization that people talk about.

Just keep a bowl of popcorn handy because there will be plenty of closings not too long after the latest round of new bar/rest capacity is completed.

I work DT and so I see what's happening and most of these new places are completely dead during mornings and all the new places have accomplished is noticeably decrease traffic elsewhere DT.

It's great seeing what's happening at the Fiberglass Tower, but the enthusiasm has more bark than bite...as usual.

New restaurants are dead huh...

Poco Loco is dead? The Heights is dead? Osteria (relatively new) has a half hour wait to get in on the weekend. What are you talking about?

posted by ckbeats21 on Oct 13, 2017 at 04:28:36 pm     #  

You know... it might be naÔve of us to assume that of the roughly 15,000 ProMedica employees in the system, the ones working at the ProMothership have the most restrictive schedules. You know... some roles work more than 40 hours and don't punch in and out and do a lot of lunch meetings. Plus when some people go to lunch, they ARE working.

posted by justread on Oct 13, 2017 at 04:42:53 pm     #   1 person liked this

"Plus when some people go to lunch, they ARE working."

Was just taken to lunch by a ProMedica employee today, and can confirm: it was far more than half an hour, and it was exactly what he's getting paid to do.

posted by Johio83 on Oct 13, 2017 at 07:18:39 pm     #   2 people liked this

Unless I missed this:

Fowl and Fodder grand opening will be October 30. Would have been sooner, but there are a lot of nose prints on the windows to clean off.

posted by justread on Oct 14, 2017 at 07:56:51 am     #  

stooks posted at 11:29:05 AM on Oct 13, 2017:

I live at the Riverfront Apartments. I haven't seen anyone moving in for a while now. Just see people leaving. I've seen some of the units that will be going Market Rate, they def. do not look to be something to be in that building. I also can't understand how they are going to charge market rate with all the issues they have. (Elevators go down, smells like urine in the back hallway, sewage smell that comes through the wall outlets, the parking garage that is a dump. Which bring me to my next point- they upped our parking in the garage from $40/month to $60/month. For residents you can park at Park Smart across the street a much nicer garage for $45/month. I emailed the provided email address to address my concerns with why we were paying more and there was no work being done to the garage except new gates to enter and exit. This was the response I got with my questions/concerns.

To respond to some of your questions, The owners are in the process of getting quotes to upgrades and repairs in the garage including new LED lighting and work on the concrete structure. The over head gates have been repaired as of last Monday and will be put into operation shortly, they are being tied into the new automation equipment.
We are working on installing camera throughout the garage.

As far as parking passes for your guests those were offered by the apartment management company, which the owners are not associated with at this time. The new equipment is not capable of utilizing vouchers.

Also the owners of the garage dictate the costs and it is not an option for the garage manager to make changes.

Thanks for you feedback and inquiries

How are the people who live there now? I figured that shady characters come with the territory of low income buildings but I guess it depends how selective the owners are

posted by ckbeats21 on Oct 14, 2017 at 10:06:57 am     #  

I wouldn't want to live in mixed section 8/market rate myself. I get the daily police alerts for any crimes within a mile of my place and there are occasional crimes reported at 245 Summit.

If you want to rent in that area and want to avoid low income I'd try Commodore Perry or LaSalle, it's my understanding those are only market rate now.

posted by classylady on Oct 14, 2017 at 04:49:07 pm     #  

classylady posted at 04:49:07 PM on Oct 14, 2017:

I wouldn't want to live in mixed section 8/market rate myself. I get the daily police alerts for any crimes within a mile of my place and there are occasional crimes reported at 245 Summit.

If you want to rent in that area and want to avoid low income I'd try Commodore Perry or LaSalle, it's my understanding those are only market rate now.

The LaSalle is excellent if you want your car broken into in the garage, you like the smell of dog pee, you are hearing impaired and therefore not bothered by the noisy, high ceiling apartments, and are not worried about parking. You can walk to whatever failed restaurant is in 324 Huron next, and you can watch the natives do drug deals around the carry out on Huron. A bonus is that the windows are so dirty, it is like UV protection. Electric bill over $250/month. All for market rate!

posted by justread on Oct 14, 2017 at 05:10:14 pm     #  

My bad on the LaSalle. I was told they had a new management company that got rid of the Section 8 tenants and cleaned it up Sounds like that hasn't happened.

posted by classylady on Oct 14, 2017 at 05:53:31 pm     #  

I don't know who is and who is not section 8, but it didn't get all that cleaned up. I like the idea of the LaSalle, but the execution for the price does not seem worth it. Maybe the people with those huge units like it. The massive ones. Like three bed, extra rooms, etc.

posted by justread on Oct 14, 2017 at 08:08:16 pm     #  

Cilantro's facebook page is up again and he is advertising that he has his liquor license and the opening date will be announced soon.

I hope he learned from his mistakes when he was open the first time and wish him well.

posted by classylady on Oct 18, 2017 at 11:22:39 am     #  

Idonbilevit.

posted by justread on Oct 18, 2017 at 01:24:20 pm     #  

Liquor permit #877102 was issued to TACO GRINGO LLC; DBA CILANTROS MEXICAN RESTAURANT; Address: 329 HURON TOLEDO 43604 and ANGEL ZAPATA President.

https://www.comapps.ohio.gov/liqr/liqr_apps/PermitLookup/PermitHolderOwnership.aspx

Jorge Zapata's middle initial is A.

posted by fgordon on Oct 19, 2017 at 01:13:11 am     #  

Cilantro's is having open interviews friday at lunch time. I'm hoping his Margaritas are as good as Poco Loco and as reasonably priced. It will be nice having a place in the DORA district to get a good margarita at to have on the streets.

posted by classylady on Oct 19, 2017 at 07:15:18 am     #  

Cilantro's is opening to be open by next weekend

posted by classylady on Oct 22, 2017 at 11:21:04 pm     #  

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