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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

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They've been doing a lot of structural work on the Pythian. Since the condition was so bad, they've basically had install steel supports to rebuild the top floor to hold up the roof the roof, since there were basically no solid floors all the way down to the basement for bracing. Lots of work on the bones of the building before any more visible work begins.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 05, 2017 at 02:59:18 pm     #  

The gross vinyl siding has come off the storefronts of the space between Ye Olde Cock n Bull and Leslie Adams' space on Huron Street, and nice new glass panes have been installed. It is such an incredible improvement.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 06, 2017 at 10:29:23 am     #   1 person liked this

Speaking of new windows: has anyone seen the building at the corner of Collingwood and Delaware, opposite Black Kite Coffee? It was the Old West End Collector's Corner many years ago.

I've heard the diocese bought it, but I don't know what's going in there. They have turned it back into a storefront, with nice windows, and it looks like they're working on the interior.

Anyone have any intel on it?

posted by Anniecski on Dec 06, 2017 at 01:55:13 pm     #  

The Diocese is upgrading/updating the building before they decide what they are going to do with it. I'm crossing my fingers something good is announced.

posted by upso on Dec 06, 2017 at 02:34:30 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 10:29:23 AM on Dec 06, 2017:

The gross vinyl siding has come off the storefronts of the space between Ye Olde Cock n Bull and Leslie Adams' space on Huron Street, and nice new glass panes have been installed. It is such an incredible improvement.

Is there something new going in there? What was there before?

posted by ckbeats21 on Dec 07, 2017 at 08:41:21 am     #  

I believe it was all part of the Toledo Free Press, and has been empty since its closing. Not sure what it's becoming.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 07, 2017 at 09:48:38 am     #  

upso posted at 02:34:30 PM on Dec 06, 2017:

The Diocese is upgrading/updating the building before they decide what they are going to do with it. I'm crossing my fingers something good is announced.

If you cross more than you're fingers, you might get a wine and bread bar.

posted by JoeyGee on Dec 07, 2017 at 10:04:10 am     #  

JoeyGee posted at 10:04:10 AM on Dec 07, 2017:
upso posted at 02:34:30 PM on Dec 06, 2017:

The Diocese is upgrading/updating the building before they decide what they are going to do with it. I'm crossing my fingers something good is announced.

If you cross more than you're fingers, you might get a wine and bread bar.

I have been to those church wine and bread bars. The wait is terrible and the portions are TINY. :(

posted by justread on Dec 07, 2017 at 10:19:54 am     #   2 people liked this

And they get REALLY pissed if you go up for seconds.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 07, 2017 at 11:59:27 am     #  

Also, cannibalism.

posted by endcycle on Dec 07, 2017 at 02:25:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

endcycle posted at 02:25:04 PM on Dec 07, 2017:

Also, cannibalism.

I am definitely in your audience for that one. :)

I have a giggle stomach ache.

posted by justread on Dec 07, 2017 at 03:07:29 pm     #  

Bretz - an adams street icon will celebrate its last night tomorrow.

posted by Adams_Street on Dec 20, 2017 at 10:19:37 pm     #  

Yup, there is already a thread about it! http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/216216/20Dec2017/Bretz_is_closing

posted by upso on Dec 20, 2017 at 10:35:08 pm     #  

Maybe we can have a toledo talk meetup there?

posted by Adams_Street on Dec 20, 2017 at 10:54:12 pm     #  

Some friends of our went to Tin Can last week and were charged a fee for using a credit card . I didn't think that was even legal. I hope other establishments downtown don't start that practice.

posted by classylady on Jan 02, 2018 at 02:26:41 pm     #  

classylady posted at 02:26:41 PM on Jan 02, 2018:

Some friends of our went to Tin Can last week and were charged a fee for using a credit card . I didn't think that was even legal. I hope other establishments downtown don't start that practice.

Many gas stations do it all the time (credit card upcharge) and even diplay the differential price per gallon.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jan 02, 2018 at 03:55:54 pm     #  

Been there twice and never had the fee. Each time my bill was between $60-80 bucks. I have seen "service" fees on charges under $5 and $10 bucks in the past.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Jan 02, 2018 at 04:05:55 pm     #  

My bill was around $29, it came back as 3.5 - 3.75 % higher because I used a credit card. They are recovering the transaction fee from the banks in order to keep their prices low on the food and beverage

posted by Hoops on Jan 03, 2018 at 08:22:56 am     #  

Not Downtown but word on the street is Claddagh at the mall is closing.

posted by upso on Jan 03, 2018 at 10:29:44 am     #  

I wish I would have paid attention to the charges at Tin Can when I ate there if htat is the case. There is nothing on their menu indicating they charge to use to a credit card and I paid with a credit card when I ate there but didn't pay any attention to if the credit card receipt matched what was on the original receipt.

It's not illegal but it may be against the credit card companies terms of service. I remember hearing gas stations get away with it by charging a cash price or offering a cash discount and they have to display it. I'm sure Tin Can is in violation of the terms by not at least disclosing it.

I understand them not wanting to pay the transaction fees but we becoming a cashless society plus some people aren't comfortable walking around with a large amount of cash in a bar

posted by jamesteroh on Jan 03, 2018 at 10:36:25 am     #   1 person liked this

upso posted at 10:29:44 AM on Jan 03, 2018:

Not Downtown but word on the street is Claddagh at the mall is closing.

Damn, I'm really upset to hear that. Although it seems like every other year, the talk is that they're closing. I've always been a fan of theirs, and thought the mall location sold short just what a cool job they did with the interior. And why does nobody else in town do an Irish Breakfast like they do?

posted by Johio83 on Jan 03, 2018 at 10:47:35 am     #  

Total wishful thinking here: they were originally supposed to open in Fort Industry Square, then the deal fell apart and they went to the mall. Now that F.I.S. is under new ownership with a new development plan, maybe they're finally just moving to where they'd originally intended.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 03, 2018 at 10:49:10 am     #  

I heard Blackrock Grill will be opening in that same spot as Claddagh. Not 100% sure of the exact name.

posted by Hoops on Jan 03, 2018 at 10:52:14 am     #  

Johio83 posted at 10:49:10 AM on Jan 03, 2018:

Total wishful thinking here: they were originally supposed to open in Fort Industry Square, then the deal fell apart and they went to the mall. Now that F.I.S. is under new ownership with a new development plan, maybe they're finally just moving to where they'd originally intended.

Wow, really? When they first opened at the Mall, Downtown was a ghost town. I'm surprised that was ever their intent!

posted by upso on Jan 03, 2018 at 10:56:08 am     #  

Please don't be kidding about black rock. Love that place.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Jan 03, 2018 at 11:10:30 am     #   1 person liked this

CL you sure do chase every penny when dining and eating out.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 03, 2018 at 05:25:57 pm     #  

6th i wouldn’t have had an issue paying cash as I known about this fee. I find it deceitful that the way I found out was after they charged my card and brought us the slip to sign. I’m sure most people wouldn’t appreciate going to Dillard’s or Macy’s and making a purchase of $100 and then have their credit card charged for $103

posted by classylady on Jan 03, 2018 at 05:37:48 pm     #  

We accept credit cards at my business, and the fees to accept credit cards have gotten crazy, especially with all the "rewards" cards out there. Sometimes between the fee and the surcharges, it's well over 4 %, depending on what kind of a reward card the customer is using. Somebody is paying for all those rewards, and it's not your credit card issuer, it's the merchant who accepts your card.
I do agree with classylady though, if a restaurant is going to charge a fee, they absolutely need to tell you that upfront, and should have a sign at the door or on the table. Otherwise, if you have already eaten and aren't aware of that policy, and don't have cash on you, you are screwed. I don't think restaurants let you wash dishes anymore if you can't pay your bill, lol.

posted by foodie88 on Jan 03, 2018 at 06:17:44 pm     #   1 person liked this

Black Rock Grill confirms Toledo opening coming soon

posted by gunz1 on Jan 03, 2018 at 07:11:48 pm     #   1 person liked this

Man I'll have to get over to Claddagh before they close. My grandma, who was part Irish, said they had the best fish and chips she ever had.

Bars and restaurants tacking on surcharges without telling people is sneaky and bad etiquette. The local Burger Kings did that for a short time before enough people complained. They removed the surcharge and most likely raised prices to compensate. Hopefully, Tin Can figures out a solution that appeases customers without breaking their price structure. Some places have signs saying $10 minimum for credit cards. With fees how they are, that seems fair.

posted by mixman on Jan 03, 2018 at 07:29:47 pm     #  

Rewards cards charge a higher transaction fee than non-rewards cards? I always figured the fee was a set percentage set by the credit card processor based on whatever brand of credit card is used. I know a lot of merchants don't accept AmEx because the fees are higher and I remember at on time in college some stores got a good discount from Am Ex if that was the only card they accepted (I remember Am Ex was the only card Macy's and Jacobson's accepted at that time).

I agree with others merchants should be required to disclose a fee. I wonder if someone could contest the charge with their bank after stating the fee wasn't disclosed up front and they didn't have cash. I'll have to check next time I'm at Tin Can to see if they add it on. I get 4.5 percent back on restaurant charges so even if they charge 4 percent I'm still better off using the card than cash.

posted by jamesteroh on Jan 03, 2018 at 08:27:37 pm     #   1 person liked this

The credit card fees should be built into your costs. With so many people going cashless, the fees truly are part of the cost of doing business. Tacking on a fee because somebody used a card, but not advising that the fee would be tacked on is pretty much a deceptive business practice. If they can't cover the expense by making a very minor price change or cutting an expense and have to resort to these practices, it's not a business I want to patronize. Like others have said, some gas stations do this (where margins are thinner than restaurants/bars), but have signage stating it.

posted by clt212 on Jan 04, 2018 at 09:57:56 am     #  

The credit card fee is in small print at Tin Can. I believe it was at the bottom of the bill or receipt.

posted by Hoops on Jan 04, 2018 at 11:43:05 am     #  

All they need to do is offer a "discount" for paying cash when the bill is presented. Problem solved.

posted by Columbusguy on Jan 04, 2018 at 11:47:17 am     #  

At least tin can's prices are reasonable. If I was a business owner I'd rather eat the 3% fee and have my customers pay with plastic than cash. If the place is robbed or your employee gets held up or losses the bank deposit you are screwed if it's cash. I'm sure Tin Can doesn't have many business meals/client entertainment there but most companies like their employees to use a company credit card for business related meals/drinks.

I've never understood gas stations charging a surcharge for credit cards, especially in high crime/intercity areas. Gas stations are a huge targets for robberies. And most gas stations have pay at the pump, if someone is using a credit card the customer just swipes their card, pumps their gas and leaves. If they are paying in cash you have to have an employee accept the cash and ring up the sale and handle making the bank deposit.

posted by jamesteroh on Jan 04, 2018 at 11:56:54 am     #   1 person liked this

Believe it or not, we had a Dr. that charged a "fee" for using my FSA Debit/Credit card for our co-pay. When I complained about it, he countered with "Why should I be out the money? Next time bring cash". There was no next time.

posted by llz on Jan 04, 2018 at 01:25:59 pm     #   2 people liked this

You should have turned the doctor into your insurance company for that. I'm surprised an FSA debit card would allow that transaction fee to go through. I also thought with a debit card the fee was really low, l remember at one time Walmart was requiring customers who had a debit card that could also be used as a credit card to select debit instead of credit because the fee was lower.

posted by jamesteroh on Jan 04, 2018 at 03:12:56 pm     #   1 person liked this

Many courthouses charge a fee for using a credit card to pay a fine, including Toledo Municipal Court.

posted by JohnnyMac on Jan 04, 2018 at 03:30:47 pm     #  

I had to pay a fee to use my credit card to pay my property taxes last week. I think it was around 2 1/2 percent. Was well worth it since the tax deduction for prepaying will be worth a lot more than the convenience fee.

posted by jamesteroh on Jan 04, 2018 at 05:22:51 pm     #  

All credit cards charge service fees and it's up to the merchant whether they eat them or pass them on. And if they're "eating them", chances are they're just bumping their prices to cover it so you're paying them either way. AMEX charges a higher merchant fee than Visa, Mastercard, etc - which is why some businesses won't accept it.

I'm surprised that anyone is surprised by this info - I thought it was common knowledge?

posted by idinspired on Jan 05, 2018 at 08:14:53 am     #  

Business were originally not allowed to charge extra for the use of credit cards. This was either by law or in their agreements with the card issuers, I don't remember which. That all changed a few years back and that requirement was removed from the agreement between card issuers and merchants. This was when you started seeing the gas station have a discount for cash. Now it is up to the merchant to decide if they want to pass along the service charge they pay the card companiesto their customers.

posted by OldTimer on Jan 05, 2018 at 08:31:12 am     #   1 person liked this

idinspired posted at 08:14:53 AM on Jan 05, 2018:

All credit cards charge service fees and it's up to the merchant whether they eat them or pass them on. And if they're "eating them", chances are they're just bumping their prices to cover it so you're paying them either way. AMEX charges a higher merchant fee than Visa, Mastercard, etc - which is why some businesses won't accept it.

I'm surprised that anyone is surprised by this info - I thought it was common knowledge?

Yeah, it's common knowledge and it's also the cost of doing business. Build it into the price of your goods and services. If somebody can't do something simple like cost control/management, maybe they shouldn't be in charge of running a business.

posted by clt212 on Jan 05, 2018 at 09:46:56 am     #  

If anyone was thinking of doing the farmers market they are closed today due to the cold.

posted by classylady on Jan 06, 2018 at 11:36:47 am     #  

jamesteroh posted at 05:22:51 PM on Jan 04, 2018:

I had to pay a fee to use my credit card to pay my property taxes last week. I think it was around 2 1/2 percent. Was well worth it since the tax deduction for prepaying will be worth a lot more than the convenience fee.

2.35%

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 06, 2018 at 03:18:23 pm     #  

The fees merchants pay to the credit card processors vary. There's a minimum. Reward cards charge higher acceptance and processing fees.

Example. The average annual profit margin for convenience stores, without fuel, is 7%. (From industry stats). So, if your acceptance fees are 3%, or higher, and your margin is 7% , well you do the math.

Some sales can go negative right at the register. One pack of cigarettes and one can of pop and the merchant probably doesn't break even.

The three 3% processing fee isn't the floor either on acceptance costs. The electronic network that actually transmits the transaction and then, one or two days later credits the merchants account with the proceeds also gets an additional fee. And the bank where the merchant banks charges a fee for each account deposit. Monthly commercial checking account fees are higher, much higher than individual/personal accounts.
Plus the merchant either has to buy or rent the card processing equipment.

Sometimes it can be free as part of the service, if you're a high volume account. Each time there's a change in card security features, like the recent change to chip cards, the merchant has to get all new equipment. It literally never ends. There's at least 5 or 6 different ways a merchant pays to accept a credit card.

Debit cards, if the customer actually runs it as a debit using a pin, are charged a flat fee that doesn't vary by card, but all other processing/deposit/handling fees are applied on top of that.

posted by holland on Jan 06, 2018 at 05:16:16 pm     #  

I think a lot of businesses don't realize they can negotiate their fees, not that the banks would really want people knowing that. If you're doing volume, it's not hard to get your % lowered if you shop around and make the banks/service providers fight for your $.

posted by upso on Jan 06, 2018 at 09:25:10 pm     #  

It was 2.35 to pay my property taxes. Well worth it for the tax break plus I used a 2 percent cash back rewards card so it only came out to 0.35 percent

posted by jamesteroh on Jan 06, 2018 at 11:15:17 pm     #  

Downtown was very busy this morning. Almost every seat at Maddie and Bella was taken this morning when my boyfriend and I went there after church, I'm glad to see they are doing so well.

Packo's brunch was popular this morning as well

posted by classylady on Jan 07, 2018 at 06:06:03 pm     #  

And the "Success of Hensville" has been so great that Nine has decided to indefinitely close the doors.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 07, 2018 at 06:14:34 pm     #  

That was fast.
Their website says to look for a new concept coming in the spring.
I wonder what they will try next?

We went to Fleetwood a couple of weeks ago and were reminded that the food is just ok, the service is pretty awful and the lighting/atmosphere is just a miss. Not terrible, but just not great either. That said, it was packed.

posted by upso on Jan 07, 2018 at 06:30:35 pm     #  

Nine has this on their facebook page, sounds temporary:

Effective Saturday, January 6: NINE is closed as we get ready for a new dining experience. Thank you and we’ll see you in the spring!

I don't know why they need to be closed so long.

One thing Nine and Fleetwoods have going for them is they carry the Walleye and Mudhen's games. I rate their food as just average.

Bleakhouse is no longer going to carry the different flavored waffles on weekends. I used to like having Sunday brunch there for the waffles

posted by jamesteroh on Jan 07, 2018 at 06:37:39 pm     #  

Paging Jim Avolt...

So despite having a virtual blank check with the initial design, obviously Nine has been an abject failure. If this phantom, taxpayer ripoff funded business had anything to do with private capital, it never would have opened and reopening it would be an even greater impossibility.

Instead of permanently dumping the failure, Napoli Inc. is going to burn more of the taxpayers' money for a "new and improved Nine."

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 07, 2018 at 06:38:42 pm     #   2 people liked this

I don't know why they need to be closed so long.

^

Umm...the place being empty far too often since opening likely is a prime reason.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 07, 2018 at 06:45:36 pm     #  

NINE will miraculously open just prior to Mud Hens opening day

posted by Hoops on Jan 08, 2018 at 08:32:15 am     #   1 person liked this

It's their MO to have synergy between their entities, so obviously being open by Opening Day should be a foregone conclusion for any of their undertakings.

I'm assuming they came to the conclusion that trying to do something upscale in a space that looks out over the stadium is probably not the best idea. I'd expect to see something more sportsbar-related in its next incarnation.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 08, 2018 at 09:12:19 am     #  

I wasn't that impressed with the food at Hensville. Like Upso said it isn't terrible but Nine isn't anyplace I'd go out of my way to drive to either.

We like going there to drink, especially now DirecTv isn't carrying Channel 36. The Hensville bars and Frickers were the only bars downtown where we could watch the world series or OSU/Michigan game last year.

Hensville also has cheaper drink prices than the other bars and I love the deck.

posted by classylady on Jan 08, 2018 at 09:34:23 am     #  

What's the deal with the Christmas tree lights and decorations still up downtown. The tress at Hensville park and Promoedica's tree are still up and lit and the lights on the building in Hensville and 5/3rd field are still up.

Plate One will be awesome if it ever opens. She is building a stage and I love the chairs.

posted by classylady on Jan 08, 2018 at 09:51:17 am     #  

"Hensville also has cheaper drink prices than the other bars and I love the deck."

Funny what you're able to do when you have tax dollars keeping you afloat, and aren't paying property taxes.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 08, 2018 at 09:54:08 am     #   1 person liked this

"Plate One will be awesome if it ever opens."

I don't remember the exact timeline (if she said "this week and the week after" or "next week and the week after"), but either way, she told me last week that she'll have two weeks of employee training and simulated service, and then opening the week following. So sometime before the end of January is her plan.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 08, 2018 at 09:57:16 am     #  

Hopefully Plate One will be open by Mudhen's opening day. I talked to her this summer and she was hoping to have her grand opening on National Coffee Day which was in late Sept.

I think she'll do great once she opens, it' is a much classier coffee shop than Biggby.

I hope she is open on Sunday. Maddie and Bella and Bleakhouse do a great business on Sunday. Boyfriend and I were at M&B yesterday and it was almost SRO

posted by classylady on Jan 08, 2018 at 10:54:20 am     #  

She had a lot of issues with the plumbing in her place, and eventually turned the remainder of the renovation job over to the Ball family to complete on her behalf. Sounds like everything has been completed now.

posted by Johio83 on Jan 08, 2018 at 11:10:36 am     #  

Plate One has made a lot of progress in the past several months. I love the chairs and stools but not sure how practical white is for a coffee house.

posted by classylady on Jan 08, 2018 at 11:15:18 am     #  

Hello 6th Floor. I've never been paged before on this site. Makes me feel warm all over.

I spouted off loud and clear about the obvious unfairness of the County using tax dollars (after all, all their dollars are tax dollars) to open a facility that competes directly with existing business that pay real estate taxes. These business effectively gave and continue to give the County the funding necessary to compete against them.

While some folks like several of the aspects of the venue they created at Hensville, it's disgusting that they were allowed to pay for the entire undertaking with virtually unlimited funds collected from residents of Lucas County. The local tax-paying competition cannot complain as they risk not only the wrath of the county that sets their property tax, but also do not want to risk alienating any part of their customer base who might support the County's projects.

Classylady opined that they offer cheaper drink prices. No shit. They can do whatever they want. Not only was the entire venue paid for by the County, there is no requirement that they ever turn a profit. Who could think that is fair to the owners of every other bar/restaurant downtown. While I would never pick a fight with a lady, classy or otherwise, I invite her comments defending this as being OK.

Cheers all.

posted by jimavolt on Jan 08, 2018 at 12:32:11 pm     #   2 people liked this

I didn't say it was fair. All I stated was that their drink prices are cheaper than other venues and also that they have Buckeye which enables us to watching sporting events such as the World Series and the OSU/Michigan game.

Didn't St. Clair village get some tax credits? Should I avoid eating at Kengo and Home Slice because it's unfair to the owner of Fricker's that they received a tax credit?

The main reason I have been to the Hensville bars last year was because non of the other bars except Fricker's carried Fox.

I've noticed that different bars charge different prices for the same drink downtown. Why is Durty Bird more expensive than the Blarney for the same beer? Or why is Blarney more expensive than Cock and Bull for the same beer?

posted by classylady on Jan 08, 2018 at 03:34:56 pm     #  

I've noticed that different bars charge different prices for the same drink downtown.

I've noticed that different gas stations charge different amounts for gas that burns exactly the same.

posted by justread on Jan 08, 2018 at 03:51:51 pm     #  

Justread, so if you see two gas stations across the street from each other and one is a 50 cents a gallon cheaper, which one do you think the majority of people are going to go to?

posted by classylady on Jan 08, 2018 at 03:57:21 pm     #  

The majority of people are going to go where they can make a right turn.

posted by justread on Jan 08, 2018 at 04:04:59 pm     #   2 people liked this

I've noticed that different bars charge different prices for the same drink downtown. Why is Durty Bird more expensive than the Blarney for the same beer? Or why is Blarney more expensive than Cock and Bull for the same beer?

Everyone has different laid in costs. What is there labor, rent, food cost? Some use a high markup for beer wine to keep booze lower, some vice versa. Some pour a stronger or weaker drink. Some use cheaper for their well. There’s a million variables-it would be really strange if pricing lined up.

posted by ahmahler on Jan 08, 2018 at 09:57:11 pm     #  

Hi Classylady,

I know you didn't say you thought it was fair - sorry for putting words in your mouth. I am sensitive to this situation because I was once in the hospitality business. It's hard enough to survive without having to compete with the government.

I wouldn't go into Hensville if they were giving beer away.

posted by jimavolt on Jan 09, 2018 at 11:16:51 am     #   1 person liked this

jimavolt posted at 11:16:51 AM on Jan 09, 2018:

Hi Classylady,

I know you didn't say you thought it was fair - sorry for putting words in your mouth. I am sensitive to this situation because I was once in the hospitality business. It's hard enough to survive without having to compete with the government.

I wouldn't go into Hensville if they were giving beer away.

....man, I must like beer a lot more than you do.

I'd be happy to contemplate the morality of drinking free beer from a slightly anti-competitive crew while slowly sipping on said free beer.

posted by endcycle on Jan 10, 2018 at 08:55:10 am     #   2 people liked this

Hey Endcycle - If free beer were available at my typical watering holes, I could retire years ahead of schedule. Instead, I moil at the office all day and pay retail for my suds.

Speaking of beer - - - - TT'ers should have a get-together for beverages some time. In the past such meetings were always enjoyable. If it gets scheduled for Hensville I'll be at Frickers or the Durty.

posted by jimavolt on Jan 10, 2018 at 11:14:40 am     #  

I like the idea of meeting for drinks.

I think just meeting up for coffee could be nice as well (as long as it isn't Rust Belt, I have issues giving them my money with the causes they support) or even pizza and drinks.

posted by classylady on Jan 10, 2018 at 02:05:57 pm     #  

Im only going if all they serve is "Whiskey and Rain Water".

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 10, 2018 at 02:40:44 pm     #  

To make sure everyone can be equally offended why don't we have a drink at one of Napoli's bars, have coffee at Rust Belt and then go to West Toledo and eat at Chick-Fil-A and then go to Hobby Lobby?<EG>

posted by classylady on Jan 10, 2018 at 03:44:41 pm     #   1 person liked this

Would like to meet up with youse guys but I think there's a teabagger meeting that night. :P (yuk yuk)

posted by Mariner on Jan 10, 2018 at 04:13:28 pm     #  

Did Cilantro's shut down again? Boyfriend and I got take out from San Marco's tonight and overheard someone saying they went there last week and they were closed.

posted by classylady on Jan 11, 2018 at 12:01:08 am     #  

I'd be down, depending on timing / date obviously. THO this thread is more about the impending DOOM of downtown toledo and the probable buyout of everything by some Chinese investors, so if someone wants to do it start a thread. :)

posted by endcycle on Jan 11, 2018 at 08:35:37 am     #  

Umm....pretty sure the people offended by Rust Belt are also offended by Chik Fil A and Hobby Lobby, so thats not really bringing equality :>) Is there a liberal whacko bar/restaurant/retailer right wingers rail against and avoid on moral grounds? hmmmm, that kinda stuff must be the exclusive domain of the lefties.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Jan 11, 2018 at 09:33:42 am     #  

Im guessing The Attic, but not really the establishment, just their clientele. Mostly a bunch of pretentious hippsters who will look down on you if your not drinking the right beer, don't have cool enough facial hair, and not about what ever their cause of the monent is. The type of people I have recently heard describe the warehouse district as 'gimmicky' and where the worse type of people hangout. ' and 'Where people from the suburbs go to think they cool by going downtown'.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 11, 2018 at 09:46:33 am     #  

BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:33:42 AM on Jan 11, 2018:

Umm....pretty sure the people offended by Rust Belt are also offended by Chik Fil A and Hobby Lobby, so thats not really bringing equality :>) Is there a liberal whacko bar/restaurant/retailer right wingers rail against and avoid on moral grounds? hmmmm, that kinda stuff must be the exclusive domain of the lefties.

Really? Maybe we can all grab Starbucks and head over and take in a NFL game together since so many conservatives destroyed their Keurig machines live on Twitter and they have to head out for coffee anyway.

posted by SensorG on Jan 11, 2018 at 09:58:45 am     #   6 people liked this

What did the media tell you conservatives did? We were supposed to destroy our Keurig machines? I have a freaking regular coffee pot. You know... a conservative, regular coffee pot. And I am not even on Twitter. Damn it. Where do I learn how to be the conservative I am supposed to be? MSNBC?

posted by justread on Jan 11, 2018 at 10:11:17 am     #   3 people liked this

Where do I learn how to be the conservative I am supposed to be?

Breitbart! Oh, wait... never mind.

posted by Anniecski on Jan 11, 2018 at 11:15:31 am     #   1 person liked this

Mostly a bunch of pretentious hippsters

hipsters

who will look down on you if your not drinking the right beer

I can do that anywhere

don't have cool enough facial hair

Only 2 kinds of people don't have facial hair...

about what ever their cause of the moment is.

#metoo #resist #DACA #nopalefizzybeer

Where people from the suburbs go to think they cool by going downtown'
So, you haven't been to the Heights yet?

posted by ahmahler on Jan 11, 2018 at 11:25:12 am     #   1 person liked this

justread posted at 10:11:17 AM on Jan 11, 2018:

What did the media tell you conservatives did? We were supposed to destroy our Keurig machines? I have a freaking regular coffee pot. You know... a conservative, regular coffee pot. And I am not even on Twitter. Damn it. Where do I learn how to be the conservative I am supposed to be? MSNBC?

Depends-How do you feel about Hugh Hewitt?

posted by ahmahler on Jan 11, 2018 at 11:29:41 am     #  

Re: Cilantro's, I found out he is open he was just closed last week for a winter break according to his facebook page. I guess after being open all those long hours in 2017 he needed a rest.

I think Poco Loco would be a great place for a meet up if we seriously do this. Everyone on here likes their food and they haven't done anything to offend anyone.

Man the Keurig people must have both sides pissed off. They have the conservatives destroying their machines and the liberals hate them because the Kcups are supposedly bad for the environment (I don't know how throwing a Kcup in the trash is any more damaging to the environment than throwing a coffee in the trash).

posted by classylady on Jan 11, 2018 at 11:40:50 am     #  

ahmahler posted at 11:25:12 AM on Jan 11, 2018:
Mostly a bunch of pretentious hippsters

hipsters

who will look down on you if your not drinking the right beer

I can do that anywhere

don't have cool enough facial hair

Only 2 kinds of people don't have facial hair...

about what ever their cause of the moment is.

#metoo #resist #DACA #nopalefizzybeer

Where people from the suburbs go to think they cool by going downtown'
So, you haven't been to the Heights yet?

Point pretty much proven.

And yes the "place where people from the suburbs go" was a real quote I overheard this week.

Hipster one "Why did you want to come here?"

Hipster two "Im tired of the drama on Adams Street"

Hipster One "But this is the type of place people from the suburbs go to think they are cool by coming downtown"

posted by In_vin_veritas on Jan 11, 2018 at 11:43:56 am     #   1 person liked this

ahmahler posted at 11:29:41 AM on Jan 11, 2018:
justread posted at 10:11:17 AM on Jan 11, 2018:

What did the media tell you conservatives did? We were supposed to destroy our Keurig machines? I have a freaking regular coffee pot. You know... a conservative, regular coffee pot. And I am not even on Twitter. Damn it. Where do I learn how to be the conservative I am supposed to be? MSNBC?

Depends-How do you feel about Hugh Hewitt?

I had to google him. Not sure.

posted by justread on Jan 11, 2018 at 12:46:56 pm     #  

justread posted at 12:46:56 PM on Jan 11, 2018:
ahmahler posted at 11:29:41 AM on Jan 11, 2018:
justread posted at 10:11:17 AM on Jan 11, 2018:

What did the media tell you conservatives did? We were supposed to destroy our Keurig machines? I have a freaking regular coffee pot. You know... a conservative, regular coffee pot. And I am not even on Twitter. Damn it. Where do I learn how to be the conservative I am supposed to be? MSNBC?

Depends-How do you feel about Hugh Hewitt?

I had to google him. Not sure.

Yeah-not sure if he’s your brand of conservatism. I have a few wonky righties that love him. Predictably, I could do without.

posted by ahmahler on Jan 11, 2018 at 12:51:33 pm     #  

"Is there a liberal whacko bar/restaurant/retailer right wingers rail against and avoid on moral grounds?"

One of my all-time favorite Toledo area businesses is the Phoenix Earth Food Co-op. I'm unsure if the co-op meets the above wacko requirements, but it's possible that the co-op is a little too crunchy for some. Do you need a scoby to make your own kombucha? They'll hook you up. The co-op does have a dress code. Customers are required to wear a Baja hoodie.

Now I've jinxed the co-op. Let's see, my other favorite Toledo businesses include Thackeray's Books, The Andersons retail stores, and Michael Canning's full-service gas station. All are gone now.

I suggest the Paula Brown Shop for a gathering. I can buy some Luxardo Marachino Cherries and maybe a new pepper mill.

Wouldn't we need to go to a shooting range first? Actually, I would suggest booze first and then going someplace to shoot a bow and arrow or to play jarts. That's how us rednecks rolled back in the day in the eastern Ohio hills. I've got the scars to prove it. They shot anyone wearing a Baja hoodie and carrying a jar with a scoby.

posted by jr on Jan 11, 2018 at 01:21:10 pm     #   2 people liked this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G52JKyAqD4

posted by Mariner on Jan 11, 2018 at 01:23:23 pm     #  

In Bucyrus, they used to wear a lot of Baja hoodies. Some Checkmate.

posted by justread on Jan 11, 2018 at 03:07:38 pm     #  

Thought Checkmate was a sparkly colored boat.

posted by Mariner on Jan 11, 2018 at 04:44:14 pm     #   1 person liked this

According to Jorge's FB --

Cilantro's will be closing at the end of the month.

posted by stooks on Jan 18, 2018 at 09:36:05 am     #  

No surprise about Cilatnro's other than he has stayed open this long. Seemed like he was closed more than he was open.

On a positive Dave Ball's dad told me this morning Plate One is officially opening Monday morning and she is having a small soft grand opening Friday night. The space looks amazing.

posted by classylady on Jan 18, 2018 at 09:56:54 am     #  

stooks posted at 09:36:05 AM on Jan 18, 2018:

According to Jorge's FB --

Cilantro's will be closing at the end of the month.

...which only leaves me waiting for the next post that they will be opening again soon.

I love this game.

posted by JoeyGee on Jan 18, 2018 at 11:04:31 am     #  

According to the "Cilantro's" page, they have been hacked......seems like as many times as they have been hacked they would change passwords.

posted by stooks on Jan 18, 2018 at 11:12:58 am     #  

I've never seen a business close and reopen as many times as Cilantro.

As a downtown resident I would love to see a chain restaurant or two open up downtown.

posted by classylady on Jan 18, 2018 at 02:41:11 pm     #  

classylady posted at 02:41:11 PM on Jan 18, 2018:

I've never seen a business close and reopen as many times as Cilantro.

As a downtown resident I would love to see a chain restaurant or two open up downtown.

Bite your tongue! Why?

posted by ahmahler on Jan 18, 2018 at 03:00:02 pm     #  

Friends don't let friends eat at chains.

posted by justread on Jan 18, 2018 at 03:03:32 pm     #   1 person liked this

Now his personal facebook has the "closing at the end of the month" removed and replaced with "My facebook was hacked"

posted by stooks on Jan 18, 2018 at 03:33:32 pm     #   1 person liked this

I would just like a couple nicer mid-scale chains to walk to downtown for dinner or at lunch time. I think a place like Panera would do really good downtown.

posted by classylady on Jan 18, 2018 at 04:52:08 pm     #  

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