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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

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Tried to go to Cock and Bull last night same thing took a minute to even make our way through the front door gave up on even thinking about getting through the crowd to the bar and walked to the Bronze. Had to fight a crowd there and waite a few minutes for a drink but wasn't so packed. But hey guess this isn't a bad problem to have.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Aug 10, 2014 at 08:22:34 am     #  

Were the blarney and cock and bull slammed from people looking to continue the celebration of the Hibernian festival downtown in promenade park Friday and Saturday?

They need to focus on creating more similar draws

posted by MrGlass419 on Aug 10, 2014 at 05:40:15 pm     #  

Went to the Irish festival around 7 and was disappointed by the turnout. Maybe 200 people at one time. Great time though. Thirsty Hooligans were good as always. Walked up to Frickers to eat and caught the end of the Mud Hens game. Great crowds in around the ballpark.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Aug 10, 2014 at 06:03:25 pm     #  

I had no idea the city of toledo even had an irish festival!

posted by upso on Aug 10, 2014 at 07:00:59 pm     #   1 person liked this

MrGlass419 posted at 05:40:15 PM on Aug 10, 2014:

Were the blarney and cock and bull slammed from people looking to continue the celebration of the Hibernian festival downtown in promenade park Friday and Saturday?

They need to focus on creating more similar draws

Good point. I don't know what time the Irish festival let out, but the Blarney was jammed at 11:00 Friday. Jam-med. Stuffed. Sardine.

posted by justread on Aug 10, 2014 at 07:09:12 pm     #  

UPSO- as reported in The Blade the hibernian festival used to be held outside The Blarney on Huron. Due to growth they moved the location to Promenade park this year. 600 to 700 people on Friday. This was the 24th annual.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Culture/2014/08/10/Dancers-vendors-festival-goers-attend-Irish-event-at-new-location.html

posted by MrGlass419 on Aug 11, 2014 at 09:21:39 am     #  

Ah ok. I knew the blarney had event but never realized it was an official celebration! Thanks for the info. :)

posted by upso on Aug 11, 2014 at 10:27:43 am     #  

They don't really want to sell yet at this price, but Wesley's bar at 1201 Adams is for sale.

It's strange because the business and building are owned by different people.

Listing price is a whopping $385,000.

Anyone that has been around Wesley's the past few years, knows how much the business has fallen.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 11, 2014 at 10:32:48 pm     #  

There are a few apartments upstairs, but 385 large still seems a bit steep, since the bar has been dead for at least 3-4 years.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 11, 2014 at 10:34:26 pm     #  

the building certainly needs some work. where is this listed?

posted by upso on Aug 11, 2014 at 10:47:39 pm     #  

Upso, I don't expect we'll see an official listing because Mike probably don't want the negative publicity. Many bars are sold via confidential listings because they don't want the employees and customers going elsewhere. I'm pretty sure the building, business, and all contents are included with the fat price.

Also, heard today that Cloister is looking at an opening around the "holiday season." So it's a late fall or early winter opening. This is another example of an establishment giving a previous opening date and then later delaying it a few months.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 11, 2014 at 10:55:06 pm     #  

Quite a bit of news today for this thread.

"The Bar" also formerly "Players Bar" @ 513 Jefferson across from Huntington Center, is reopening as "T-Town Grub & Pub" and provided September 1 as their opening date.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 11, 2014 at 11:13:41 pm     #  

As far as the "T-Town Grub & Pub" that sounds like a good time line, as it get's them ready for hockey. Any idea who is running the place?

In regards to Wesleys, Mike is the bar owner, not the building owner right? Anyways, makes sense on the listing. I get it.

I do want to mention... in regards to build out and general expected launch dates, I'm currently going through a build out project and it's gone months beyond our plans. I'm not taking either side of the argument other than to point out that groups with limited or fixed budgets working with contractors who have multiple projects don't have a huge amount of control on how things go.

posted by upso on Aug 11, 2014 at 11:32:50 pm     #  

Yeah Mike owns the bar and I believe with his lease he also controls the apartments upstairs. His bartenders used to live upstairs and maybe still are. Someone else owns the building itself at 1201 Adams, so this high sale price is odd.

Not sure if both are included in the price, but for $385,000, but I would have to believe it's both what Mike owns, the bar business along with the building owned by another person. The bar itself isn't really worth anything close to half that price. As a former Wesley's regular and still occasional customer, I feel comfortable saying that Mike hasn't been making money at Wesley's for a while and may even be running in the red currently because the business has really fallen apart.

The attached building on the right side (where Moxie will eventually open) as well as the parking lot are owned by the people that own the Mano's/Attic building.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 12, 2014 at 12:02:28 am     #  

TT's resident wet blanket has spoken. He doesn't know who owns the building or isn't even totally sure if Mike controls the apartments. He's also "comfortable' in saying that Wesley's isn't making money or is operating in the red (you know just like every other place he drives by). You don't know Mike's motivations for selling. You literally know nothing about the situation, just that it looks dead whenever it is your doing your drive-bys.

Oh and by the way next time I'm in there, I'll look for you. I'll just assume your the asshole, know it all guy at the bar.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Aug 12, 2014 at 10:05:30 am     #   4 people liked this

That's to bad I used to go to Wesley's quite a bit and still go by every once in a while.

One thing I have noticed lately is how bad it has smelled in there the past couple of times I have went by. Not sure if that is just lack of cleaning or whatnot but it might be off putting for some. Also I could never understand why they never put a little money into sprucing up the restrooms just a little.

posted by glasscityguy on Aug 12, 2014 at 10:09:55 am     #  

TT's resident wet blanket has spoken.
In defense of 6th-I feel like his comments have been constructive and informative as of late-particularly on this thread-He's right-385 is ridiculous. The last few weeks of downtown posts on this and other threads have been intelligent conversations about the goings on.

T-Town Grub & Pub-ugh. why didn't they just call it Ye Olde Grub & Pub? I've heard good things about the bones of that space, and I guess the Bar is is a gorgeous custom wood piece for that space. Fingers crossed they do something more than fried foods and bud light.

Upso-What's your take on Wesley's? Why the slowdown? I'm there pretty sporadically-is it the other bars closer to the warehouse district?

posted by ahmahler on Aug 12, 2014 at 11:47:05 am     #  

I have no take really. I'm rarely there, and when I am it's usually early in the evening. I have some friends that make it a point to go around 5 on fridays and the crowd is usually pretty thin at that point.

I agree that 385k is insane, but over valuation of downtown and uptown properties has been par for the course for decades. If every property owner that was sitting on empty buildings actually dropped their prices to market rate I think you'd see a lot more development in the area.

Hell, 15 years ago I wanted to buy a building near the library. It was only 3,000 sq feet and they wanted 250k for it. Sad thing was it needed another 100+ to get it liveable. 15 years later it's still basically vacant.

posted by upso on Aug 12, 2014 at 12:35:03 pm     #  

"T-Town Grub & Pub"

This is a joke, right?

posted by justread on Aug 12, 2014 at 12:37:37 pm     #  

Wesley's restrooms are terrible. The inside of the men's room is a little wider than a doorway. If you extend your arms, you can probably touch both walls. If one or two people are in there, getting to the sink requires a sideways, almost grind-past-you shuffle. Might as well wait in the hallway. It looks like a former proprietor, maybe back in 1950, decided they needed a second restroom so they turned a storage closet into the men's room.

posted by mixman on Aug 12, 2014 at 12:55:54 pm     #  

Ahmahler, Mike has a string of several successful, money-making years, but Wesley's business kind of peaked right around the time OT opened and the overall economy peaked.

Ron Z. a well-liked regular passing away a few years ago, also didn't help the bottom line there.

I've never remembered the bathrooms being anything other than disgusting, but I guess they really have turned away some customers.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 12, 2014 at 01:01:10 pm     #  

Is there anybody here with info about what's happening at the former Woodchuck's across from ESM? The inside was gutted a couple months ago and there still appears to be work happening inside.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 12, 2014 at 01:06:09 pm     #  

I've always found, in the three years I've been here, that Wesley's is hit or miss. Packed on some nights (especially the 80's-90's hiphop dance party on Friday's) empty on others.

I haven't noticed a significant change over the past three years, but I take it from 6th_Floor, who has been out and about much longer than I, that it's a change from years prior.

I don't know anything about their bottom line, but they seem to do a steady enough business while I've been in town. Not the OT or the Attic, but they sure as hell aren't The Bar of 329.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Aug 12, 2014 at 01:22:49 pm     #  

"in the three years I've been here."
"They sure as hell aren't the The Bar of 329."

Guessing you mean 329 Huron. Shame you missed Diva, from 2001-2008. Great space, gutted and remodeled, and great food, first from Dorian Dziad, and then from Erika Rapp, who is now known for her work at Registry Bistro.

posted by justread on Aug 12, 2014 at 01:39:55 pm     #  

Yeah, I meant 329 Huron. I meant to write The Bar OR 329 Huron.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Aug 12, 2014 at 01:43:52 pm     #  

329 Huron is where Diva was.

posted by justread on Aug 12, 2014 at 02:08:32 pm     #  

Workers at diva loved sniffing the white stuff..

posted by stooks on Aug 12, 2014 at 03:33:02 pm     #  

Yeah, the front of house manager in the final years was a bad dude. This is one of the reasons that restaurant is gone, front of house staff was a little out of control. Shame too, because the back of the house were total pros.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 12, 2014 at 03:40:55 pm     #  

Yeah. I know exactly who you are referencing. It was a shame because they really did have something awesome going!

posted by stooks on Aug 12, 2014 at 03:47:25 pm     #  

As sad as it is, or really, was, that Diva is gone, Registry is way better than Diva was at their best. It's a much better overall concept, staff is way better, and even Erika will say, she's a better cook today than while at Diva (although, I thought was awesome then too).

posted by ahmahler on Aug 12, 2014 at 04:17:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

That's why Diva is gone? I thought it had to do with the fact that their neighbors at FifthThird moved killing their lunch business plus the streets around it were torn out to build the Huntington Center which made the area a dead zone. Add on top the owner Zaleski wanted money out to concentrate on his overly ambitious project which is the Secor Hotel building (huge undertaking)? I don't think it's coincidence that Rapp's restaurant is in her former boss's new building.
White stuff? pfhhh.

posted by MrGlass419 on Aug 12, 2014 at 07:40:28 pm     #   1 person liked this

MrGlass419 posted at 07:40:28 PM on Aug 12, 2014:

That's why Diva is gone? I thought it had to do with the fact that their neighbors at FifthThird moved killing their lunch business plus the streets around it were torn out to build the Huntington Center which made the area a dead zone. Add on top the owner Zaleski wanted money out to concentrate on his overly ambitious project which is the Secor Hotel building (huge undertaking)? I don't think it's coincidence that Rapp's restaurant is in her former boss's new building.
White stuff? pfhhh.

Ding. Thank you. Somebody may have something on an employee. I was close to Eric and Jim, and kind of went with Jim in the divorce. Great guy. That place was a labor of love and drugs had nothing to do with the H/Z projects, and later Jim. I had some of the best meals of my life there between 2001 and 2008. All due respect to the strong field of local chefs that we have today. There are more options now. Toledo has grown as a food town. And frankly, I thank H/Z, then Jim, for a swift kick in the butt.
They added something very special downtown at a time (2001) that needed it so bad. Same with 20 North Gallery. Same for a first home for Toledo School for the Arts.

For someone to connect the ownership with a white powder innuendo is startling to those who knew them at the time.

posted by justread on Aug 12, 2014 at 08:07:07 pm     #   2 people liked this

I guess nobody said "owner." My bad, but still... to connect it with going out of business may have been a bit much.

posted by justread on Aug 12, 2014 at 08:13:59 pm     #  

no-not owner, not at all. That's not the accusation.

Idiot manager (employee), mismanaged the place. My suspicion is, Jim was probably out of patience and didn't want to sink more money into it. I know for a fact that the business had perked up, but there were still mismanaged (not Jim) and that can be the difference between being open and closed. If the manager ran that place professionally, rather than as an outlet for his partying, we would have found out if they survived the recession and 5/3 moving (I contend lunch is irrelevant for a good dinner spot). As it turned out, Jim probably didn't have the patience to find out-he already gave the place a reprieve when he hired Erika. Huge props to those guys for having a vision and investing in Toledo.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 12, 2014 at 09:45:18 pm     #   1 person liked this

I wasn't saying the owner...I just knew of several employees there. If the owners knew or not what was going on I have no idea. I didn't mean anything against the owners.

posted by stooks on Aug 13, 2014 at 10:56:51 am     #  

"workers at diva loved sniffing the white stuff" is a pretty broad and all-inclusive generalization. If 80 people worked there in 7 years, they can go under the bus for the sake of 3 at the end.

That's fair.

posted by justread on Aug 13, 2014 at 01:31:44 pm     #   3 people liked this

Heard that Woodchucks across from ESM is going to become a bar with house music theme. I didn't bother asking about an estimated opening date.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 15, 2014 at 12:46:50 pm     #  

Heard that Woodchucks across from ESM is going to become a bar with house music theme. I didn't bother asking about an estimated opening date.

6th-either you've learned something-or you agree with me on house music.

;)

posted by ahmahler on Aug 15, 2014 at 01:18:32 pm     #  

^ Aw, you're crazy. Probably just haven't heard any good house music yet. I can help with that.

posted by mixman on Aug 16, 2014 at 10:02:43 am     #  

The Muzak in hell plays house music. People think it is just the same song over and over, but's it's actually the entire catalog.

posted by justread on Aug 16, 2014 at 10:07:50 am     #   1 person liked this

Oh there's way worse stuff being played in satan's den. Round the clock country or adult contempoary would be my guess. But music is a very personal thing. To each his or her own.

Here's to Toledo becoming hip at a glacial pace!

posted by mixman on Aug 16, 2014 at 10:14:57 am     #  

They only play 90's rap music in hell.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 16, 2014 at 10:53:29 am     #  

Ok mixman- give me some suggestions on good house music-I'll stay open minded.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 16, 2014 at 12:41:43 pm     #  

Sure thing. pm sent

posted by mixman on Aug 17, 2014 at 05:13:30 pm     #  

Thanks-I'll check it out!

posted by ahmahler on Aug 17, 2014 at 05:16:38 pm     #  

Just seen the new sign on the restaurant going in by me El Camino Real La Chalupa. Rumor was late August opening, its located in the Merchant Landing plaza on N. Summit right by the Michigan state line.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 17, 2014 at 07:30:26 pm     #   1 person liked this

La Chalupa, the Boat

I am twenty,
drifting in la chalupa,
the blue boat painted with roses,
white lilies—

No, not drifting, I am poling
my way into my life. It seems
like another life:

There were the walls of the mind.
There were the cliffs of the mind,
There were the seven deaths,
and the seven bread-offerings—

Still, there was still
the little boat, the chalupa
you built once, slowly, in the yard, after school—

-Jean Valentine, 1934

posted by justread on Aug 17, 2014 at 08:46:19 pm     #  

1505 Adams (across from Manhattans) is not home to a tattoo parlor named Ink & Iron.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 18, 2014 at 03:42:32 pm     #  

*now

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 18, 2014 at 03:42:45 pm     #  

Any idea who is running it?

posted by upso on Aug 18, 2014 at 04:02:35 pm     #  

How long until Chez Joey bites the dust?

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/08/21/One-person-carried-out-on-stretcher-in-shooting-at-Chez-Joey.html

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:04:41 am     #  

I'm pretty positive anyone concerned with downtown's development would agree that the sooner something other than a strip club goes in there, the better off the area will be.

posted by Johio83 on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:09:15 am     #   6 people liked this

6th_Floor posted at 10:04:41 AM on Aug 21, 2014:

How long until Chez Joey bites the dust?

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/08/21/One-person-carried-out-on-stretcher-in-shooting-at-Chez-Joey.html

Chez Joey??? The strip club name generator must have been broken the day that place was started.

posted by clt212 on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:18:21 am     #   3 people liked this

I think it's a chain or something. (Before people begin to speculate, it doesn't have anything to do with a local restaurateur.)

posted by Johio83 on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:29:25 am     #  

Agreed on the strip club point, but violence was going to find the victim at the Chez Joey shooting.
Just like the two people who were shot dead in his house on Pearl St. last December.

posted by justread on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:36:51 am     #   2 people liked this

2 parcels involved with Chez Joey.

713 (building) & 725 (parking lot).

Slightly above 15k of unpaid property taxes.

The place should be closed immediately because the owners aren't even attempting to pay the property taxes they owe. I'd like to see the city padlock a couple more businesses nearby (Table 44 & Micheal's) that each are between 10-20k delinquent.

The Blade article says 17 patrol cars were at the scene. That probably cost Toledo taxpayers quite a bit of money and also reduced safety throughout the city during the incident.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 21, 2014 at 11:08:42 am     #   6 people liked this

Do you have any information about if Michael's and Table 44 are on settlement plans with the city?

posted by endcycle on Aug 21, 2014 at 04:03:57 pm     #  

Yes. 44 was paying into some of the principal owed, but has stalled again and the balance is again increasing. 44 currently owes between 18-19k.

Michael's finally paid some of the taxes for their parking lot. They previously hadn't paid anything toward the lot's balance for several years, if ever. They're also on a payment for the other parcels, but still very behind.

I don't see any delinquent payment plan at Chez and they didn't pay anything for at least the past year.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 21, 2014 at 04:11:25 pm     #  

The El Camino Rio, La Chalupa is delayed in opening, something about a no show for one of the guys for an inspection or license.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 27, 2014 at 07:06:43 pm     #  

The other day I noticed that the El Camino on Dussel (former Ground Round) is now "Don Juan" Mexican restaurant.

Just a name change or did El Camino not make it there?

posted by Foodie on Aug 28, 2014 at 09:56:53 am     #  

The dussel location always struggled for business it seems. I think it changed over earlier this summer but do not remember when exactly. Has to be expensive land/rent/building cost on that road

posted by Hoops on Aug 28, 2014 at 10:17:34 am     #  

The building is still owned by the Harb brothers who owned Ground Rounds at that location and on Alexis. As for who owns Don Juan...I refuse to discuss this topic.

posted by Molsonator on Aug 28, 2014 at 11:12:20 am     #  

'Nuff said. We'll continue to avoid it as we did when it was El Camino. Thanks.

posted by Foodie on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:07:54 pm     #  

The El Camino on Dussel was never affiliated with the other El Camino's. They just wanted to make it look like it was after they saw how successful the Douglas/Sylvania location was. Those owners on Dussel either did (or stil do) own some Marco's pizza locations.

posted by llz on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:30:00 pm     #  

Well, that's interesting - I never knew that. Wonder how they got away with using the El Camino name?

If you go to the El Camino Real website, it shows "Toledo Maumee Orgeon".

posted by Foodie on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:45:24 pm     #  

llz posted at 12:30:00 PM on Aug 28, 2014:

The El Camino on Dussel was never affiliated with the other El Camino's. They just wanted to make it look like it was after they saw how successful the Douglas/Sylvania location was. Those owners on Dussel either did (or stil do) own some Marco's pizza locations.

I don't know how accurate this is... they had the exact same menu, same logo, and it was on their main website.

http://www.elcaminorealtoledo.com/El_Camino_Real_Maumee.html

posted by wahhutch9 on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:53:40 pm     #  

I did give Don Juan's a try. Completely different menu.. some of the same staff as El Camino. Given its proximity to my home, I'm sure we will try it again.

posted by wahhutch9 on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:54:53 pm     #  

There was another "El Camino" in the old Joe's Crab Shack a few years ago that had no affiliation with the one we all know. It's good they didn't, as their menu was different (and they didn't serve half of what was listed on the menu), staff were unfriendly, and food was quite honestly horrendous. That was a one and done visit for us.

posted by webrioter on Aug 28, 2014 at 01:06:24 pm     #  

Paula Brown Shop opened their restaurant/wine bar this week.

It appears they're going to offer lunch with Swig's food truck and an after work happy hour type bar until 7:30 or 8pm.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 29, 2014 at 01:17:31 pm     #  

6th-Nice! I didn't realize they were working together. I <3 Swig.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 29, 2014 at 01:35:27 pm     #  

Wow. That's actually a pretty brilliant idea, using the food truck that way. Would Black Cloister be able to do the same thing? Just collaborate with a food truck to be parked outside, so that they aren't violating their alcohol sales license? (Tap room vs brewery)

posted by Johio83 on Aug 29, 2014 at 02:32:01 pm     #  

Sure, as long as no money was exchanged between the two businesses. It's a pretty big city idea and I love it.

posted by upso on Aug 29, 2014 at 09:20:08 pm     #  

Italian restaurant opening soon at 332 N. Erie.

Posted hours 6am-7pm Mon-Fri and 11am-4pm Sat-Sun.

The name is real creative. Toledo Art & Food Italian Restaurant.

I know I'm a glass half empty type here, but I'd like to know the reasoning behind those operating hours.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 31, 2014 at 02:51:52 pm     #  

Wow-those are diner hours, not normally something you associate with an Italian Restaurant.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 31, 2014 at 03:19:41 pm     #  

Found out who didn't show up to inspect the new El Camino restaurant up here in Merchant Landings. It was the health inspector, so they have no certification to open yet, from what I heard he just never showed up to do the inspection. I have no idea when they are expecting to open now.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 31, 2014 at 04:50:22 pm     #  

is 332 N. Erie the old Lunch Hour spot?

posted by upso on Aug 31, 2014 at 05:23:24 pm     #  

Yep. There had been a for rent sign in the curved windows for at least a few years.

I think Rob Croak had a piece of that place a long time ago when it was a breakfast/lunch diner during his time at Frankie's.

It has maybe a half dozen parking spots and doesn't have any parking available along that part of Erie, so it's a terrible location for an Italian restaurant. The posted are so ridiculous, I don't even think Toledo Talk's most optimistic posters will say the hours are optimal.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 31, 2014 at 05:38:13 pm     #  

Shockingly it appears that T-Town Pub & Grub (formerly THE BAR across from Huntington on Jefferson) will open ON TIME for it's previously announced early September grand opening.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 31, 2014 at 05:39:56 pm     #  

T-Town Pub & Grub opened Friday and is going through a "soft opening" period now.

posted by Mike21 on Aug 31, 2014 at 06:37:22 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 05:38:13 PM on Aug 31, 2014:

Yep. There had been a for rent sign in the curved windows for at least a few years.

I think Rob Croak had a piece of that place a long time ago when it was a breakfast/lunch diner during his time at Frankie's.

It has maybe a half dozen parking spots and doesn't have any parking available along that part of Erie, so it's a terrible location for an Italian restaurant. The posted are so ridiculous, I don't even think Toledo Talk's most optimistic posters will say the hours are optimal.

It was called Galaxy when Croak owned it. Became a hangout for all of us alternateens and post-bar crowds. Super-great menu, service, and coffee.

posted by endcycle on Sep 02, 2014 at 01:00:57 pm     #  

Saw people outside T-Town this weekend while biking to the Warehouse District.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Sep 02, 2014 at 05:20:14 pm     #  

I noticed that the Italian restaurant at 332 N. Erie didn't waste much time and has opened. Kudos to them for avoiding the typical route of several delays. Maybe that determination will give them success at what appears to be a bad location.

Also, a week or two ago some sort of clothing store has opened at 1505 Adams, next door to the tattoo parlor. I was waiting to see a sign, but have yet to see one. I recognized one of the servers at Rockwell's and she is either an employee or owner.

Bleakhouse still remains without any type of outdoor signage.

The carryout at Adams and Huron has more than its share of shifty people hanging around the entrance day, evening, and night. It really does give a dumpy vibe to the surrounding area.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 10, 2014 at 05:16:14 pm     #  

Buddy had lunch at the new Italian restaurant today and claimed it's the best italian in the city. When I pressed for a website or more info, he said it's run by an old italian lady who wouldn't know how to get things online. So if you're interested, just go check it out! They have a pretty good looking menu. Click this link for more info:

http://i.imgur.com/SZvBYl1.jpg

He says they are open 11am - 4pm on the weekends to boot!

posted by upso on Sep 15, 2014 at 09:01:48 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 05:16:14 PM on Sep 10, 2014:

I noticed that the Italian restaurant at 332 N. Erie didn't waste much time and has opened. Kudos to them for avoiding the typical route of several delays. Maybe that determination will give them success at what appears to be a bad location.

Also, a week or two ago some sort of clothing store has opened at 1505 Adams, next door to the tattoo parlor. I was waiting to see a sign, but have yet to see one. I recognized one of the servers at Rockwell's and she is either an employee or owner.

Bleakhouse still remains without any type of outdoor signage.

The carryout at Adams and Huron has more than its share of shifty people hanging around the entrance day, evening, and night. It really does give a dumpy vibe to the surrounding area.

That carryout indeed might be the nastiest downtown. 'Dumpy vibe' doesn't quite cover it.

posted by McCaskey on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:29:34 am     #  

upso posted at 09:01:48 PM on Sep 15, 2014:

Buddy had lunch at the new Italian restaurant today and claimed it's the best italian in the city. When I pressed for a website or more info, he said it's run by an old italian lady who wouldn't know how to get things online. So if you're interested, just go check it out! They have a pretty good looking menu. Click this link for more info:

http://i.imgur.com/SZvBYl1.jpg

He says they are open 11am - 4pm on the weekends to boot!

This might be unfair, but if the 'best Italian' joint in the city closes at 4 p.m. on a Saturday, what good is it?

And do they have liquor license? If not, what good REALLY is it??

posted by McCaskey on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:34:27 am     #  

Bleakhouse has a real sign!

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 16, 2014 at 06:27:04 am     #  

McCaskey, looks like it's a lunch spot. Take a look at the menu, it's mostly sandwiches. :)

posted by upso on Sep 16, 2014 at 09:10:05 am     #   1 person liked this

I missed this yesterday and it's surprising the Lucky's dreamers aren't more excited about the possibility of this happening.

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2014/09/15/Toledo-mulls-giving-ProMedica-building.html

I'll believe it when I see it.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:09:42 pm     #  

Weird... isn't that the building next to the new Uptown Green Park? I thought that was owned by the Uptown Association. Interesting location... would be great for the Old West End if they actually put a decent grocery in there but it seems odd to me that Promedica would want to get into the grocery business!

posted by upso on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:50:59 pm     #  

Also... there is zero parking there besides street right?

posted by upso on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:52:12 pm     #  

There isn't any significant amount of parking adjacent to that building. There is another vacant lot across the street next to the Democrat Party HQ, and I would think that if there really are plans to open a grocery store there some sort of parking lot will need to be created.

ProMedica entering the grocery business certainly is odd, and I'm not really a fan of the city of Toledo spending tax dollars and subsequently giving away property. Especially to already well-heeled entities.

There were prior discussions regarding the city swapping some property with Cherry Street Mission and the soup kitchen being moved. I heard it was possibly going to be moved closer to or into Macomber, but those discussions fell apart.

Uptown Green is a joke to begin with, but that has already been discussed here in length. We really need more accountability and transparency from the land bank, and CoT real estate dealings.

Nolan Rosenkrans, if you are reading this, I think a series examining the inner workings of the land bank would be very informative. Aries doesn't show any purchase or sale prices of properties involving the land bank.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 17, 2014 at 08:21:12 am     #  

Land Bank. Check.

Why, again, is UpTown Green a joke?

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Sep 17, 2014 at 09:00:25 am     #  

Because he declared it so. The "at length" was more or less him saying it was a joke and others saying it wasn't. Which I guess means it's a joke.

The Promedica Grocery idea really is perplexing. The only logic I can make of it is that, since they've maxed out their hospital properties, they're looking for other ventures to get into that won't raise red flags and calls of monopoly. But even then...

And as far as the Land Bank and the city giving buildings away to people who will develop them, I have zero problem with that, provided there are actionable requirements. A building like this that would most likely otherwise sit vacant until it ultimately got torn down (which costs a fortune, btw) is instead given to a company with a proven track record and the stipulation that it must be renovated, must be filled by a certain date, etc. The city then has an income-generating property, in addition to a revitalized building that has the potential to inspire further development around it. The property around a grocery store in the downtown/uptown area would instantly become much more valuable. It's a win all the way around.

posted by Johio83 on Sep 17, 2014 at 09:15:16 am     #   1 person liked this

Johio, I suppose you're going to be having weekly picnics at Uptown Green, so enjoy yourself. It'll be more believable if you post photos.

Bring plenty of spare change and cigarettes with you. And a lighter, in case the bums need that as well.

Nolan, I realize the funding for Uptown Green mostly came from the state, private grants or elsewhere. However, inevitably the city ends up paying for the upkeep or other costs and I think the city has greater needs elsewhere than creating more park space.

I believe the land bank should be more transparent about prices being paid for property they are acquiring and selling. From what AREIS shows, prices aren't listed. If I'm incorrectly looking, somebody please inform me where I need to search to discover prices.

Johio, they aren't just acquiring worthless properties and what is the process to acquire these properties via land bank giveaways as you've mentioned?

Nolan, there are dozens, but to begin, here are two properties with history with LUCAS COUNTY LAND REUTILIZATION CORPORATION, aka land bank, that deserve further transparency. 706 Monroe (currently owned) and 2041 Glenwood (previously acquired and later transferred/sold to a private citizen).

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 17, 2014 at 09:57:45 am     #  

6th, you can actually find out a lot about things by asking questions. It's usually more effective than driving past a place at 2:30 on a Wednesday afternoon. Check out the Land Bank's website, or give them a call. They have a list of their available properties, and if you'd like to take ownership of one, you let them know. Anyone who applies for a property is vetted by the LB, including not only their background and financial stability, but a comprehensive statement of intentions. How will the property be redeveloped, what will that cost, who will they work with, what is the projected timeline, etc.

posted by Johio83 on Sep 17, 2014 at 10:12:17 am     #   2 people liked this

Any explanation regarding why the sale prices involving the land bank aren't posted on AREIS?

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 17, 2014 at 10:13:57 am     #  

The person that acquired 2041 Glenwood hasn't paid a penny of property taxes since taking ownership of the property in June 2013.

So much for the land bank doing it's "background and financial stability" legwork, eh?

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 17, 2014 at 10:18:49 am     #   2 people liked this

Well, that settles it. Of all the deals the Land Bank has done, you've found a property that is a year delinquent on its taxes. I guess that means the whole system should just be shut down, because it obviously doesn't work if it can't achieve a 100% success rate.

posted by Johio83 on Sep 17, 2014 at 11:01:20 am     #   4 people liked this

There are more. Someone once told me that you can learn a lot by asking questions, however.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 17, 2014 at 11:07:36 am     #   1 person liked this

If Promedica is moving downtown and moving people there wouldn't it be in their interest to support their people? Maybe I'm being naive but maybe they are putting in a grocery because their people will need one and there isn't anything nearby that would serve that purpose?

posted by MIJeff on Sep 17, 2014 at 11:53:25 am     #   2 people liked this

^^^^^Exactly. Promedica didn't become a Billion dollar business (monopoly) by making dumb decisions like the City of Toledo. They are ahead of the curve.

As mentioned - it would turn a deteriorating building into an income producing building. At this point previous losses are already loss and no one is looking to turn the building around.

Might as well go with a company that has a proven track record of fiscal responsibility along with maintaining their properties unlike the City.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Sep 17, 2014 at 12:06:34 pm     #   3 people liked this

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