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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

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Based solely on the volume of bizarre stuff I've read on here about that place, I'd be fed up, too. Get it together, dude.

posted by mixman on Nov 04, 2017 at 06:13:46 pm     #  

I met a friend for dinner at Poco Loco around 6:15. We figured it would be packed with Huntington center nearby and the Walleye's at home and that wasn't the case. Only people sitting at two tables. Based on the poor service I had there the first time they were open and the complaints I've been reading on here we sat at the bar figuring the service might be better and most of the bar seats were taken but it's a small bar that probably only seats about 12.

The service was great.

Friend ordered a beer that was an IPO from Maumee bay and liked it. I wanted a frozen raspberry margarita but was told they only had strawberry and pineapple flavors and I went with Strawberry. He used a mix out of a plastic bottle and it was made in a blender so they must not have much demand for frozen margaritas and it wasn't very 'sstrong and was too sweet.

Friend ordered two street tacos and liked them. I order the two enchilada dinner. The enchiladas weren't very big and the chicken was like that precubed Tyson stuff you buy at the grocery store and tasted processed, wasn't the shredded chicken like Poco loco uses. Also neither of ours came with Sour Cream or Guacaloma with the lettuce and tomato.

We weren't given salsa or chips but noticed people sitting next to us at the bar had them so I'm not sure if the bartender forgot (our orders came out pretty fast) or if they paid extra for them.

Someone came in to place a take out order and they were complaining that no one was answering the phone. The employee told her it was a new phone number and something was wrong with their phone line and they were hoping to get it fixed Monday.

They messed up my bill (they messed it up in May as well). My meal should have been $7 and the bill said $10 and there was also a $9 charge for chicken. The bartender went back to the kitchen and came back and said I was charged for the three enchilada dinner which he didn't even know they had, instead of the two enchilada dinner. When he put in the enchiladas were chicken it charged me for ordering a chicken dish.

The service has improved a lot over the first time they were open but I don't think I'll be back. They aren't any cheaper than San Marco's or Poco Loco and Poco Loco has a lot better food and more menu prices.

One nice thing about Cilantro's is you don't have to wait for a table:)

posted by jamesteroh on Nov 04, 2017 at 07:45:32 pm     #   1 person liked this

James, your first sentence implies you went to Poco but it sounds like you actually went to Cilantro's?

posted by upso on Nov 04, 2017 at 08:45:58 pm     #  

Sorry it was Cilantro I went to. I can't figure out how to edit it.

posted by jamesteroh on Nov 04, 2017 at 09:28:19 pm     #  

Cilantro's really needs to get their shit together. Girl in my office was craving a quesadilla for lunch and despite warnings from me and another person insisted on giving Cilantro's a shot since he was advertising online ordering on his facebook page and she wasn't in the mood to deal with getting her car out of the parking deck and having to find a spot when she returned.

She goes to his webpage and finds out that not only do you have to prepay your order with a credit card the total comes out wrong. The quesadilla was priced at $10 on his webpage (when you click on the menu it lists the items but not the price and you have to click on the individual item to find out the price) it was showing the total as $11.98 in her cart with no explanation. I told her I wouldn't trust giving out a credit card or personal address (why you need to give your address is beyond me for a pick up order) and to call. The phone is either still out of order or they aren't answering it.

She ended up deciding to go with someone else in our building to poco loco for their buffet. The other girl wanted to know the price of the buffet so they called and they answered the phone promptly. Jorge should try to poach some of the Poco Loco employees to show him how to run a Mexican restaurant.

posted by classylady on Nov 08, 2017 at 01:21:35 pm     #  

classylady posted at 01:21:35 PM on Nov 08, 2017:

Cilantro's really needs to get their shit together. Girl in my office was craving a quesadilla for lunch and despite warnings from me and another person insisted on giving Cilantro's a shot since he was advertising online ordering on his facebook page and she wasn't in the mood to deal with getting her car out of the parking deck and having to find a spot when she returned.

She goes to his webpage and finds out that not only do you have to prepay your order with a credit card the total comes out wrong. The quesadilla was priced at $10 on his webpage (when you click on the menu it lists the items but not the price and you have to click on the individual item to find out the price) it was showing the total as $11.98 in her cart with no explanation. I told her I wouldn't trust giving out a credit card or personal address (why you need to give your address is beyond me for a pick up order) and to call. The phone is either still out of order or they aren't answering it.

She ended up deciding to go with someone else in our building to poco loco for their buffet. The other girl wanted to know the price of the buffet so they called and they answered the phone promptly. Jorge should try to poach some of the Poco Loco employees to show him how to run a Mexican restaurant.

We don't have any girls in our office. We do have a lot of women.

posted by justread on Nov 08, 2017 at 02:32:47 pm     #   4 people liked this

Classylady's epitaph is going to read:

She died waiting for good news about Cilantro's.

posted by Anniecski on Nov 09, 2017 at 09:57:33 am     #   9 people liked this

@anniecski. LOL. Not gonna happen becausae apparently Cilantros is closed. A couple people in my office building wanted me to go with them for appetizers and Ritaís after work today and I have no desire to go there anymore and joked with her that Poco Loco down the street has great margaritas if they couldnít get good service. She sent me a text at 5:30 and said they werenít open. That didnít take long. He really wasted his money on that liquor permit. I hope no one was foolish enough to give him $100,000 to invest.

That is a location that seems to be cursed.

She

posted by classylady on Nov 10, 2017 at 07:08:14 pm     #  

classylady posted at 07:08:14 PM on Nov 10, 2017:

@anniecski. LOL. Not gonna happen becausae apparently Cilantros is closed. A couple people in my office building wanted me to go with them for appetizers and Ritaís after work today and I have no desire to go there anymore and joked with her that Poco Loco down the street has great margaritas if they couldnít get good service. She sent me a text at 5:30 and said they werenít open. That didnít take long. He really wasted his money on that liquor permit. I hope no one was foolish enough to give him $100,000 to invest.

That is a location that seems to be cursed.

She

Per Facebook he will be open next weekend...something about an illegal occupancy issue

posted by ckbeats21 on Nov 10, 2017 at 07:36:05 pm     #  

He needs to have a sign on his door saying heíll be open next week instead of having the doors locked. How can his occupancy permit be illegal. My prior career was a restaurant manager and I never heard of an occupancy permit being illegal. Unless if he opened without one and got busted but that would be very difficult to do.

posted by classylady on Nov 11, 2017 at 12:19:01 am     #  

I picture the guy being some zillionaire and his idle time hobby is trolling Toledo Talk with his "maybe I will open...maybe I won't" bit.

He's just sitting back laughing and laughing as I type this.

posted by JoeyGee on Nov 11, 2017 at 06:50:03 am     #   1 person liked this

Jorge Zapata should follow the advice of many investors...cut losses when they're small and regroup or find something else to do, because most often they inevitably become larger losses.

That location is becoming a cursed spot.

posted by 6th_Floor on Nov 11, 2017 at 12:14:57 pm     #  

Popped into the new downtown Barry Bagels today. The setting and atmosphere is very big city, but the menu is pared down from their other locations.

What I thought was interesting is that the employees are actually Promedica employees, not Barry's. It's a true franchise location, where they've been given recipes and are buying product from Barry's but are doing things their own way. For example... no jalapeno cream cheese even though they know how to make it, and a limited selection of bagel flavors.

Regardless, way quicker than driving to west Toledo so I'm not going to complain!

posted by upso on Nov 14, 2017 at 11:18:50 am     #   1 person liked this

I wasn't that impressed with Barry's. Very limited menu and the cookies were packaged and not made in store and menu prices weren't that reasonable.

I like PJ's better. Similar prices and they make their baked goods in house and better menu selection.

posted by classylady on Nov 14, 2017 at 11:50:46 am     #  

Plate One has the paper off their windows and you can see inside now. Looks like they are finally making some progress. The chairs she has by the front window are really sharp but not sure how smart it is having white chairs for a coffee house if something gets spilled on them. I am hoping she has the same menu she has in South Toledo.

I'm hoping she'll be open in early 2018

posted by classylady on Nov 14, 2017 at 11:58:11 am     #  

My understanding of the Barry Bagel's is that it is actually run/managed by Sodexo.

posted by slowsol on Nov 14, 2017 at 12:31:41 pm     #  

That could make sense. I doubt ProMedica is directly running any of their cafeterias or commissaries, so they probably just added this into their deal.

posted by Johio83 on Nov 14, 2017 at 12:32:50 pm     #  

Still haven't heard news of a closing actually happening yet, but I did see some renderings from the prospective purchaser of the Hotel Seagate, and wow. It'll be a significant improvement to the aesthetic of the Glass City skyline.

posted by Johio83 on Nov 14, 2017 at 12:35:22 pm     #  

Last night at a Promedica event, Randy Oostra mentioned that the Hotel Seagate will be flying a Hilton flag. Announcement to be out this week.

posted by slowsol on Nov 14, 2017 at 12:39:43 pm     #   1 person liked this

slowsol posted at 12:31:41 PM on Nov 14, 2017:

My understanding of the Barry Bagel's is that it is actually run/managed by Sodexo.

That may be true, but the employees are literal Promedica employees who were moved from another location/cafeteria from within the organization.

posted by upso on Nov 14, 2017 at 12:42:44 pm     #  

upso posted at 12:42:44 PM on Nov 14, 2017:
slowsol posted at 12:31:41 PM on Nov 14, 2017:

My understanding of the Barry Bagel's is that it is actually run/managed by Sodexo.

That may be true, but the employees are literal Promedica employees who were moved from another location/cafeteria from within the organization.

Even the Registered Dietitian works for Sodexo.

posted by justread on Nov 14, 2017 at 12:55:59 pm     #  

slowsol posted at 12:39:43 PM on Nov 14, 2017:

Last night at a Promedica event, Randy Oostra mentioned that the Hotel Seagate will be flying a Hilton flag. Announcement to be out this week.

With the election over, the real mayor speaks.

posted by JoeyGee on Nov 14, 2017 at 01:19:59 pm     #   6 people liked this

JoeyGee posted at 01:19:59 PM on Nov 14, 2017:
slowsol posted at 12:39:43 PM on Nov 14, 2017:

Last night at a Promedica event, Randy Oostra mentioned that the Hotel Seagate will be flying a Hilton flag. Announcement to be out this week.

With the election over, the real mayor speaks.

Hey, if that's what it takes to get positive changes in our city, I'll take it.

posted by Johio83 on Nov 14, 2017 at 02:21:11 pm     #   1 person liked this

Hey, if that's what it takes to get positive changes in downtown, I'll take it.

Fixed that for you. The rest of Toledo can just fuck right off.

posted by dell_diva on Nov 14, 2017 at 05:13:14 pm     #   6 people liked this

Is downtown no longer part of Toledo?

posted by Johio83 on Nov 14, 2017 at 06:02:18 pm     #  

Will somebody stop by Jimmy John's and remind about all the synergy ProMedica was going to spread throughout DT?

The place has been deader than any stretch of time I can recall and I've been a customer for many years. I've recently been the only customer there at my usual 12:30 time many days since Labor Day. JJ's used to sort of like Jominic's except they actually had M-F lines out the door during the lunch rush.

JJ also recently raised prices by about 20%. They're likely trying to compensate for decreased business.

posted by 6th_Floor on Nov 14, 2017 at 06:11:26 pm     #  

Spot on Dell_Diva

posted by 6th_Floor on Nov 14, 2017 at 06:12:28 pm     #   2 people liked this

6th_Floor posted at 06:12:28 PM on Nov 14, 2017:

Spot on Dell_Diva

Not sure how their insane investment in the Toledo hospital campus isnít also viewed as a positive for the city as a whole.

Iíve also noticed PM clinics popping up around town. Seems to me like they are generally investing in the city, and then doubling down on their new campus. Makes sense to me.

As for Jimmy Johns, not surprised.

posted by upso on Nov 14, 2017 at 07:53:42 pm     #   1 person liked this

Not sure how their insane investment in the Toledo hospital campus isnít also viewed as a positive for the city as a whole.

Iíve also noticed PM clinics popping up around town. Seems to me like they are generally investing in the city, and then doubling down on their new campus. Makes sense to me.

We should have a drink and chat to bring you up to speed on the past 40 years of healthcare delivery, and Toledo health care and philanthropy history. They are forever entwined. It's a story worthy of a WGTE production, but nobody has the guts to fund it.

Let's just use this brief, yet dated analogy: if there were a Grumpy's on every corner, there would be a sandwich and salad certificate of need requirement. It would be unsustainable and other restaurants would have to go in the rebalancing. It wouldn't end hunger. It would end choice. But if the government funded free sandwiches and salads, and other payers paid for codes billed under the Lunch ICD-10, it would be tempting to try to garner the maximum possible available portion of those funds.

The march toward super-regionalism in payers is the march toward less choice and bad health care.

Meanwhile, Paramount Advantage may soon only be accepted in those clinics. Letters from non-network providers went out in the past month.

Once every restaurant is a Grumpys, they can institute the policy of only accepting the Grumpy Card. The Grumpy card may not be used "out of network." Ah hah! Build more Grumpys.

What I would give for a conversation with William Windus Knight about all of this. (The one born in 1878)
Or Conrad Jobst.

posted by justread on Nov 15, 2017 at 06:35:33 am     #   3 people liked this

William Windus Knight? Of Belmont Country Club lore?

posted by Molsonator on Nov 15, 2017 at 06:52:15 am     #  

He was gone before the first round was played, but that was his family's farm. Yep.

posted by justread on Nov 15, 2017 at 07:12:23 am     #   1 person liked this

Not sure if JJ's raised their prices at the downtown location but here at the Maumee they are charging 7.50 for a sub.

posted by stooks on Nov 15, 2017 at 07:20:48 am     #  

(AP) Breaking News: Jimmy johns raised their prices 25% nationwide today in an effort to combat "the rampant and imminent failure of downtown Toledo, Ohio prior to the influx of capital from the Chinese people with checkbooks in hand".

(do individual JJs even have control over pricing like that?)

posted by endcycle on Nov 15, 2017 at 09:21:43 am     #   2 people liked this

Potbelly has to be hurting Jimmy John's business. The food is better and around the same price.

I see Jimmy John's delivery guys out a lot so they must do a good delivery business.

posted by classylady on Nov 15, 2017 at 11:07:21 am     #   1 person liked this

Just noticed this thread went over 4,000. I didn't even send a card.

posted by JoeyGee on Nov 15, 2017 at 11:14:27 am     #  

Sometimes I'm in the mood for Potbelly. Sometimes I'm in the mood for Jimmy John's. Sometimes I'm in the mood for Original Sub Shop. AND... sometimes I'm in the mood for Barry Bagels.

Rarely in the mood for Subway, however.

posted by toledolen_ on Nov 15, 2017 at 12:42:15 pm     #  

I prefer Subway over Jimmy John's. Favorite place downtown in that price range is Lazeez, free delivery and great food for the price and a sexy delivery man <EG>.

I'm always in the mood for Original Sub Shop. I wish they delivered.

I wish COSI would open up a Toledo restaurant.

posted by classylady on Nov 15, 2017 at 01:16:37 pm     #  

Greg's Grill opening a second location downtown. Let the predictions fly...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=726890984173991&id=336619159867844&__tn__=-R

posted by suz on Nov 15, 2017 at 02:21:03 pm     #  

It's true! I'm helping him set it up. :)

posted by upso on Nov 15, 2017 at 03:07:46 pm     #  

Are you allowed to give out the location of Gregs?:)

posted by classylady on Nov 15, 2017 at 03:11:50 pm     #  

Guessing N Superior.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Nov 15, 2017 at 03:25:20 pm     #  

Greg's Grill downtown is a dangerous thing -- for me, at least.

Knowing I can get truffle fries withing walking distance? OMG.

posted by Anniecski on Nov 15, 2017 at 04:22:14 pm     #  

In_vin_veritas posted at 03:25:20 PM on Nov 15, 2017:

Guessing N Superior.

incorrect!

posted by upso on Nov 15, 2017 at 09:24:42 pm     #  

Anniecski posted at 04:22:14 PM on Nov 15, 2017:

Greg's Grill downtown is a dangerous thing -- for me, at least.

Knowing I can get truffle fries withing walking distance? OMG.

yeah, the only thing stopping me from eating there ALL THE TIME was the fact that I'm usually only in West Toledo when I'm grocery shopping. This is going to become a serious problem for my waist line!

posted by upso on Nov 15, 2017 at 09:25:41 pm     #  

yeah, the only thing stopping me from eating there ALL THE TIME was the fact that I'm usually only in West Toledo when I'm grocery shopping

People from your area shop at the Monroe St. Kroger, I heard. (wink)

posted by justread on Nov 16, 2017 at 09:30:43 am     #  

Not us! West Toledo = fresh Market or fresh thyme. If weíre doing Krogerís itís in Oregon. 😘

posted by upso on Nov 16, 2017 at 11:08:14 am     #  

Upso, you're an OWE'er, right? I'm closing on a house there on Monday, and will move in around Xmas if all goes well. Is it quicker from OWE to go to the Oregon Kroger than the West Toledo markets? Toledo is such a weird city to navigate.

posted by swampprof on Nov 16, 2017 at 11:47:59 am     #  

Hey swampprof, yes I am.

Closest grocery options are going to be the Seaway market at Bancroft and Cherry, and the Promedica shop at Madison and 18th in Uptown. Both are hit and misses.

In the past, if we were doing major grocery shopping we either hit Fresh Thyme or Fresh Market or the Andersons (RIP).

Weíve avoided Krogers generally. If you google map Krogers in Toledo, youíll see 4 that are all about equal distance from the OWE. The west Toledo one is the worst. Second worst is the Point Place location. The two in NW Toledo Alexis & Laskey are actually not bad, but getting there is just not convenient.

Recently we had to take our car to Matthewís Ford in Oregon for some body work. While out there, we stopped by the Oregon Krogers and were shocked with how nice it was. They updated it a couple of years ago and not only does it have pretty much everything you need, it also has an INSANE cheese selection as well as a liquor store.

Getting there is super easy, driving up bancroft to cherry and then the greenbelt parkway and over the 280 bridge. Itís worth checking out!

Sorry for the long answer but I hope it helps out. Welcome to the neighborhood!

posted by upso on Nov 16, 2017 at 12:43:39 pm     #  

+1 for the Oregon Kroger store.

For a quick item or two on the way home from work, I run into the PP Kroger. upso is correct - avoid it if possible.

The Kroger on Navarre in Oregon is a pretty amazing place for a large chain store. Again, upso is correct - the cheese selection entices me like a kid in a candy store. We especially enjoy being able to buy smaller portions that have been marked down because the ex-date is near. It's cheese for Heaven's sake. It will keep well beyond the ex date. Small wedges of various cheeses that I would never pay $20/lb for can be had for a few bucks. A great way to try new options.

posted by Foodie on Nov 16, 2017 at 01:55:04 pm     #  

Thanks Upso and Foodie - we are moving up from 'The Swamp' (BG) to 'the swamp' (Tol) and are really looking forward to being in a city. The Oregon Kroger sounds a lot like our Swamp Kroger. Thanks very much for the advice.

posted by swampprof on Nov 16, 2017 at 03:02:58 pm     #  

Went to chop house last night. Expensive but great, better than Mancys. Some cool local art work. The pricing is a la carte like Ruth Chris and Morton's. Service was wonderful and drinks are strong. I love the tablet menus they use.

I remember someone asking about dress code for there. I would wear at least business casual. No one had on jeans last night.

posted by jamesteroh on Nov 17, 2017 at 11:13:45 am     #  

Are the steaks PRIME at the Chop House? I have to say....it will be hard to beat the Final Cut. Best steak Ive ever had. By far.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Nov 17, 2017 at 11:59:33 am     #  

They advertise as having USDA Prime beef. I'm not a big fan of steak and only eat it about once every five years so far from an expert on steak. The best steak I ever had was at a place in Nashville called the Stock Yard. Beef was so tender you didn't need a knife

posted by jamesteroh on Nov 17, 2017 at 12:07:32 pm     #  

Best Steak ever for moi was Ruth's Chris in Scottsdale. Stunning.

posted by Molsonator on Nov 17, 2017 at 01:34:05 pm     #  

Guys guys have a heart. You have me salivating and am short on food stamps. Guess will just have to hock the wife's wedding ring. So sad.

posted by Mariner on Nov 17, 2017 at 02:11:29 pm     #  

Expect an announcement on the Hotel Seagate deal tomorrow morning.

posted by Johio83 on Nov 27, 2017 at 01:48:29 pm     #  

Assuming itís a Key Hotel with a Hilton brand? He and Prater were the only two to respond to the RFP.

posted by slowsol on Nov 27, 2017 at 03:34:38 pm     #  

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/11/28/Lucas-Co-local-developer-announce-30-million-Seagate-Hotel-investment.html

No timetable discussed. I hope this is completed quickly.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Nov 28, 2017 at 09:45:45 am     #  

That rendering looks amazing.

One thing from the article -

"This is going to be the area's first duel-branded hotel," he said. "There is going to be two brands under one roof. It is going to be a Hilton Garden Inn and a Homewood Suites. Both brands are by Hilton."

posted by endcycle on Nov 28, 2017 at 09:45:49 am     #   1 person liked this

Burr/Hamilton: The REMATCH of the CENTURY

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Nov 28, 2017 at 09:46:55 am     #   2 people liked this

I'm just playing devil's advocate here for a moment, as I am very excited to hear that the eyesore on the corner of Jefferson and Summit will be turned into something new and useful...

How many hotel rooms does Toledo need downtown? Commissioner Contrada says, "This supports the additional needs for hotel rooms in the downtown area." Are there really 200 people per night looking for hotel rooms in the downtown area?

posted by Anniecski on Nov 28, 2017 at 10:12:16 am     #  

When they had MKSK and HKS come in to do the study on downtown last year, they concluded that there was a need for an additional 450-650 rooms. That was including the "Grand Plaza" at that time, which is now the Renaissance. So the Hilton/Homewood's 200 will be the first to chip away at the 450-650 needed.

posted by Johio83 on Nov 28, 2017 at 10:21:34 am     #  

exactly. These hotels aren't expecting full occupancy on a Tuesday night in February. Its about having enough rooms so that Toledo can begin hosting larger events/conferences/concerts/etc. I know that in 2018 the YMCA National Gymnastic Championships are here at the Seagate Center. Last year they were in Atlanta. There aren't nearly enough downtown hotel rooms for the amount of people coming. So a large majority will have to find a hotel 10-15 miles away from their event. That's a problem.

posted by Xbuckeyex on Nov 28, 2017 at 10:24:38 am     #  

A big part of the story here isn't about who "has been" staying downtown, but who "would" stay downtown, if there were decent options available. We have had an oddly disproportionate amount of our hotel rooms away from downtown, when compared to the cities we like to measure ourselves against. Grand Rapids, Omaha, and Des Moines all have about 1 in 5 hotel rooms within their downtowns. Toledo only has 1 in every 10 downtown.

posted by Johio83 on Nov 28, 2017 at 10:25:35 am     #   1 person liked this

I did hear that the reason the upper floor of the Maritime Academy is used for hotel space is because there were no upscale downtown hotels, suitable for Naval and Coast Guard officers. This was a few years ago, before the Renaissance Hotel reno.

posted by Anniecski on Nov 28, 2017 at 10:52:47 am     #  

With this and previous announcements, the intersection of Summit and Jefferson is going from zero to one hundred in about two years.

posted by swampprof on Nov 28, 2017 at 10:59:31 am     #  

dont forget....there are planned hotel(s) for the Rossford Entertainment District that will easily supplement downtown Toledo. (about a 5 minute drive, tops, from hotel to Seagate Center.) No announcements have been made that deals have been made....but I'd look in that direction for any future hotel development.

Also....I hope this added competition will help up the ante and get places like the Park Inn by Radisson (Monore and Summit) to invest in some upgrades.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Nov 28, 2017 at 11:14:44 am     #  

BB, the 13abc story about Hotel Seagate mentioned that the Park Inn is currently investing in renovations, but offered no details.

posted by swampprof on Nov 28, 2017 at 11:27:02 am     #   1 person liked this

It may be hard to believe, but, Toledo is seriously lacking in 3 star and better hotels, especially, relative to the size of this city. I can't tell you how often I host someone that travels all over Ohio and Michigan. They tend to stay with loyalty groups, and when they book in Toledo, it's the highest rate in the 2 state run. Most of the hotels in Maumee and Perrysburg are charging close to rack rates during the week. We could easily absorb 500+ additional rooms throughout the city. I can't tell you how excited I am to have start having DT options for lodging.

BTW-Park Inn isn't too bad, It just doesn't stand up to being the 1 decent DT hotel. Its rates have already started dropping, to where its true value should be.

posted by ahmahler on Nov 28, 2017 at 11:36:59 am     #   1 person liked this

IMO, the financing deal stinks. If at the end of 5 years, Key does not want the property what does the county do with it? Will they recoup their money? Probably not.

That is the problem I have with all of this development (Overland Industrial Park and Downtown).....most of the money is county money to redevelop these areas. If there is/was a need somewhere, I would expect the private sector to jump all over it. Sounds like Key just got a FHA loan from the county and can back out after 5 years without any penalty.

posted by WestToledoan on Nov 28, 2017 at 12:27:20 pm     #  

The company I work for had hosted a convention/show for our customers for the past 26 years. The show is held at Seagate Center and we put our customers up at the Radisson/Park Innn. We ALWAYS max it out and always had to send the overflow to Hotel Seagate or what is now the Renaissance. In most recent years we even had to send some guests to the motels out by the 75/Turnpike because there was nothing else downtown. Not very convenient for our customers. Granted it's only 1 or 2 nights once a year, but I'm sure there are other similiar events that draw people to our area. (In the last two years we opted for holding the event in Columbus OH and Atlanta GA, but this year it will be back in Toledo).
The UT Football team also stays in a downtown hotel the night before a home game.
When coaches/scouts come into the city to see future prospects, they too are looking for something nicer than a Red Roof Inn. Especially the ones that are with Pro teams.

posted by llz on Nov 28, 2017 at 12:43:52 pm     #   1 person liked this

This announcement makes any future planned upgrades to the convention center much more justifiable.

posted by upso on Nov 28, 2017 at 01:48:48 pm     #   1 person liked this

llz posted at 12:43:52 PM on Nov 28, 2017:

The company I work for had hosted a convention/show for our customers for the past 26 years. The show is held at Seagate Center and we put our customers up at the Radisson/Park Innn. We ALWAYS max it out and always had to send the overflow to Hotel Seagate or what is now the Renaissance. In most recent years we even had to send some guests to the motels out by the 75/Turnpike because there was nothing else downtown. Not very convenient for our customers. Granted it's only 1 or 2 nights once a year, but I'm sure there are other similiar events that draw people to our area. (In the last two years we opted for holding the event in Columbus OH and Atlanta GA, but this year it will be back in Toledo).
The UT Football team also stays in a downtown hotel the night before a home game.

When coaches/scouts come into the city to see future prospects, they too are looking for something nicer than a Red Roof Inn. Especially the ones that are with Pro teams.

UT's opponents stay at the Radisson on the UTMC campus.

posted by justread on Nov 28, 2017 at 02:10:28 pm     #   1 person liked this

BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:45:45 AM on Nov 28, 2017:

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2017/11/28/Lucas-Co-local-developer-announce-30-million-Seagate-Hotel-investment.html

No timetable discussed. I hope this is completed quickly.

work starts in the spring and it will be open winter 2019

posted by upso on Nov 28, 2017 at 03:10:43 pm     #  

Has anyone heard updates on the Hotel Secor? WTOL said in summer 2016 that the project was awarded $5 million in historic tax incentives, with significant planning ahead.

http://www.wtol.com/story/32340793/downtown-toledos-secor-building-to-be-hotel-again

posted by swampprof on Nov 28, 2017 at 03:42:46 pm     #  

I heard it wasn't happening but would be happy to be proven wrong.

posted by upso on Nov 28, 2017 at 03:53:01 pm     #   1 person liked this

So with the old Hotel Seagate turning into a Hilton... does that mean the Park Inn will able to renovate? I remember reading last year that they've been wanting to renovate but waiting on what happens with the Hotel Seagate first

posted by odnation on Dec 04, 2017 at 01:36:27 pm     #  

In regards to the Secor Hotel project, I was told by someone in the city that the prospective developers were "more than a few million short" of the funding they were hoping to get, and they were considering it a dead project.

I was able to see their plan (before the majority of it was redacted), and it involved some very weak statements. They were getting some financing through a very sketchy bank in New Orleans. In other words, it wasn't a very realistic plan from the get-go.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 04, 2017 at 01:54:03 pm     #  

That's too bad. They were awarded historic tax credits also, correct?

posted by slowsol on Dec 04, 2017 at 02:24:49 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 01:54:03 PM on Dec 04, 2017:

In regards to the Secor Hotel project, I was told by someone in the city that the prospective developers were "more than a few million short" of the funding they were hoping to get, and they were considering it a dead project.

I was able to see their plan (before the majority of it was redacted), and it involved some very weak statements. They were getting some financing through a very sketchy bank in New Orleans. In other words, it wasn't a very realistic plan from the get-go.

You mean the plan that was just announced last week is already dead?

posted by ckbeats21 on Dec 04, 2017 at 02:26:16 pm     #  

ckbeats21 posted at 02:26:16 PM on Dec 04, 2017:
Johio83 posted at 01:54:03 PM on Dec 04, 2017:

In regards to the Secor Hotel project, I was told by someone in the city that the prospective developers were "more than a few million short" of the funding they were hoping to get, and they were considering it a dead project.

I was able to see their plan (before the majority of it was redacted), and it involved some very weak statements. They were getting some financing through a very sketchy bank in New Orleans. In other words, it wasn't a very realistic plan from the get-go.

You mean the plan that was just announced last week is already dead?

Secor Hotel not Hotel Seagate.

posted by slowsol on Dec 04, 2017 at 02:39:00 pm     #  

slowsol posted at 02:24:49 PM on Dec 04, 2017:

That's too bad. They were awarded historic tax credits also, correct?

Yes, they were awarded $5MM in tax credits, on a $35.7MM project. Tax credits only come once the project has been completed, however, so they aren't any good until you've already spent the money. You also don't need to secure the actual funding, you just need to get a letter of intent for the necessary amount of loans. In their case, they were going to be getting $17MM from the bank in New Orleans, whose tag line under their logo on said letter of intent was, and I quote, "My bank wouldn't touch that loan..." If that doesn't just send your confidence through the roof that they're a legitimate lender, I don't know what would.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 04, 2017 at 03:21:37 pm     #  

Thanks for those updates, Johio83.

posted by swampprof on Dec 04, 2017 at 04:00:11 pm     #  

I hope they eventually can get a project done there. It's such a cool building, and Registry is one of my favorite restaurants in town. I'd love to see a little more bustle in that little chunk of Superior Street.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 04, 2017 at 04:24:06 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 03:21:37 PM on Dec 04, 2017:
slowsol posted at 02:24:49 PM on Dec 04, 2017:

That's too bad. They were awarded historic tax credits also, correct?

Yes, they were awarded $5MM in tax credits, on a $35.7MM project. Tax credits only come once the project has been completed, however, so they aren't any good until you've already spent the money. You also don't need to secure the actual funding, you just need to get a letter of intent for the necessary amount of loans. In their case, they were going to be getting $17MM from the bank in New Orleans, whose tag line under their logo on said letter of intent was, and I quote, "My bank wouldn't touch that loan..." If that doesn't just send your confidence through the roof that they're a legitimate lender, I don't know what would.

Familiar with all of that. Was more concerned that they took the opportunity away from someone that had a financially viable project with legit backing.

posted by slowsol on Dec 04, 2017 at 06:55:16 pm     #  

Yup. Was a smaller project in the Warehouse District, had all of it's funding committed. Scored one point less than Secor Hotel and was not awarded.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 05, 2017 at 06:50:06 am     #  

Imagine how the runner up city for the Sochi Olympics felt. :(

posted by justread on Dec 05, 2017 at 07:06:55 am     #  

OK, next question - how about the Pythian building? Work started on the building in summer 2017 as I recall, but I haven't noticed any work lately.

posted by swampprof on Dec 05, 2017 at 01:12:52 pm     #  

A friend of mine recently toured it. He said work is coming along on Pythian Castle.

posted by Anniecski on Dec 05, 2017 at 01:25:44 pm     #  

They've been doing a lot of structural work on the Pythian. Since the condition was so bad, they've basically had install steel supports to rebuild the top floor to hold up the roof the roof, since there were basically no solid floors all the way down to the basement for bracing. Lots of work on the bones of the building before any more visible work begins.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 05, 2017 at 02:59:18 pm     #  

The gross vinyl siding has come off the storefronts of the space between Ye Olde Cock n Bull and Leslie Adams' space on Huron Street, and nice new glass panes have been installed. It is such an incredible improvement.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 06, 2017 at 10:29:23 am     #   1 person liked this

Speaking of new windows: has anyone seen the building at the corner of Collingwood and Delaware, opposite Black Kite Coffee? It was the Old West End Collector's Corner many years ago.

I've heard the diocese bought it, but I don't know what's going in there. They have turned it back into a storefront, with nice windows, and it looks like they're working on the interior.

Anyone have any intel on it?

posted by Anniecski on Dec 06, 2017 at 01:55:13 pm     #  

The Diocese is upgrading/updating the building before they decide what they are going to do with it. I'm crossing my fingers something good is announced.

posted by upso on Dec 06, 2017 at 02:34:30 pm     #  

Johio83 posted at 10:29:23 AM on Dec 06, 2017:

The gross vinyl siding has come off the storefronts of the space between Ye Olde Cock n Bull and Leslie Adams' space on Huron Street, and nice new glass panes have been installed. It is such an incredible improvement.

Is there something new going in there? What was there before?

posted by ckbeats21 on Dec 07, 2017 at 08:41:21 am     #  

I believe it was all part of the Toledo Free Press, and has been empty since its closing. Not sure what it's becoming.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 07, 2017 at 09:48:38 am     #  

upso posted at 02:34:30 PM on Dec 06, 2017:

The Diocese is upgrading/updating the building before they decide what they are going to do with it. I'm crossing my fingers something good is announced.

If you cross more than you're fingers, you might get a wine and bread bar.

posted by JoeyGee on Dec 07, 2017 at 10:04:10 am     #  

JoeyGee posted at 10:04:10 AM on Dec 07, 2017:
upso posted at 02:34:30 PM on Dec 06, 2017:

The Diocese is upgrading/updating the building before they decide what they are going to do with it. I'm crossing my fingers something good is announced.

If you cross more than you're fingers, you might get a wine and bread bar.

I have been to those church wine and bread bars. The wait is terrible and the portions are TINY. :(

posted by justread on Dec 07, 2017 at 10:19:54 am     #   2 people liked this

And they get REALLY pissed if you go up for seconds.

posted by Johio83 on Dec 07, 2017 at 11:59:27 am     #  

Also, cannibalism.

posted by endcycle on Dec 07, 2017 at 02:25:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

endcycle posted at 02:25:04 PM on Dec 07, 2017:

Also, cannibalism.

I am definitely in your audience for that one. :)

I have a giggle stomach ache.

posted by justread on Dec 07, 2017 at 03:07:29 pm     #  

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