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Another downtown watering hole bites the dust...Easy Street Bar.

I was just told by one of their employees that tonight is their last night.

Someone listening to some of you guys around here would be fooled into believing the downtown Toledo bar scene was part of a thriving metropolis.

There still are a few more downtown watering holes that are circling the bowl.

Easy come, easy go.

Not to worry, the Chinese are here checkbook in hand.

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Anybody happen to know what the situation is with the ground floor commercial space in the LaSalle Building? I know it just got bought by an investment group, so I don't know if anything is in the works. Seems like that would've been a logical place for BH to go once the Spitzer closed up, if those spaces were actually available.

posted by Johio83 on Jul 15, 2014 at 04:48:48 pm     #  

kaj: Several full tables and a line at the register the whole time we were there.

Sounds like a similar to the "lines out the door" at lunchtime a certain TT poster claimed about Jominics Subs but the place went under in about a year or so. Time will be the ultimate barometer, but with several full tables they should reach their sign fundraiser goals in the coming months!

posted by 6th_Floor on Jul 15, 2014 at 06:09:59 pm     #  

Upso, it's nearly as weird as a 1* rating from you.

Justread, it isn't an attack. I like the guy and usually chuckle while anticipating him providing a counter opinion to just about every criticism of Toledo or OWE. With 4,400 posts he more or less is the mascot of TT...moving to Chicago, notwithstanding.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jul 15, 2014 at 06:26:14 pm     #  

"... more or less is the mascot of TT...moving to Chicago, notwithstanding."

Minus the facts, I can understand the ignorant Chi-Town reference because you overlooked the possibility that life is more complex than you realize, and it's nobody else's business.

Troll on while you can. I hear they have an opening or two at SB.

posted by jr on Jul 15, 2014 at 06:48:46 pm     #   9 people liked this

Jr, I've lived life on the road, but thanks for your own bush league shot.

posted by 6th_Floor on Jul 15, 2014 at 08:01:22 pm     #  

eh... It's not really a bush league shot.

ďUpso, it's nearly as weird as a 1* rating from you.Ē

whatís weird is referencing a totally separate social media outlet that has nothing to do with Toledo Talk on TT.

I joined yelp in í11 as a co-owner of a restaurant who wanted to promote other restaurants I liked. I avoided reviewing restaurants I didnít like because I was in the business and felt it was best not to comment. I only made one 1* review during my tenure, and it was because I could not help myself.

During my 3 years involved in a restaurant and also as a yelper, I was also 100% in Toledo so I could only yelp so much. In around 3 years I posted around 130+ Toledo yelps and thought I was helping spread the word on good Toledo vibes.

Now I am on contract in Chicago, not involved in the restaurant biz, and in a city that has SO many more restaurants to explore than Toledo. I am changing my ratings to accommodate and will Iím sure be posting more 1, 2 & 3 stars in the process. Iím also yelping a boatload more while Iím here. Itís fun. I like it.

Once againÖ weíre talking yelp. Itís not rocket science. Anyone can use it. Nothing to be taken too serious.

THANKFULLY, in both Chicago and Toledo, I surround myself with positive people and for the most part most of my friends are food centric so I typically go to good restaurants. Actually, I try my hardest to only go to good restaurants!

I realize my yelp account is public, and it may affect some peopleís filter of their opinion of me, but for the recordÖ I use it to document the awesome places Iím eating on a regular basis for fun.

I apologize in advance if that changes your perception of my posts on other social media like my posts here on Toledo Talk.

Oh and related:

ďWith 4,400 posts he more or less is the mascot of TT...moving to Chicago, notwithstanding.Ē

No plans on moving my friend. Working out of Chicago on an amazing project. Still own my house in Toledo and am in Town during the weekends and as much as I can in general.

Iíve got lord knows how many posts on Facebook. The 4,400 on TT. 7,444 tweets at the time of this post. 1,822 instagram posts as well. Pretty sure a boat load on other message boards as well and a good chunk of that output is pro toledo. I figure Iím a mascot of Toledo in general at this point and not just Toledo Talk.

But regardless. Iím just trying to enjoy life, and have fun. Sorry if that rubs you or anyone else the wrong way. I think Toledo is great. Chicago is great. The midwest is great. These are values Iíve had for my entire life.

posted by upso on Jul 16, 2014 at 12:42:32 am     #   13 people liked this

6th_Floor posted at 06:09:59 PM on Jul 15, 2014:

kaj: Several full tables and a line at the register the whole time we were there.

Sounds like a similar to the "lines out the door" at lunchtime a certain TT poster claimed about Jominics Subs but the place went under in about a year or so. Time will be the ultimate barometer, but with several full tables they should reach their sign fundraiser goals in the coming months!

That certain one was me. And the line out the door was about a week before they closed- I'll own being wrong about Jominics. In retrospect, the lines I experienced might have been due to the slow service that seemed to never quite improve. I miss them a lot, too - great subs.

Ah well. I can't always be right.

posted by endcycle on Jul 16, 2014 at 08:56:54 am     #  

upso posted at 12:42:32 AM on Jul 16, 2014:

eh... It's not really a bush league shot.

ďUpso, it's nearly as weird as a 1* rating from you.Ē

whatís weird is referencing a totally separate social media outlet that has nothing to do with Toledo Talk on TT.

I joined yelp in í11 as a co-owner of a restaurant who wanted to promote other restaurants I liked. I avoided reviewing restaurants I didnít like because I was in the business and felt it was best not to comment. I only made one 1* review during my tenure, and it was because I could not help myself.

During my 3 years involved in a restaurant and also as a yelper, I was also 100% in Toledo so I could only yelp so much. In around 3 years I posted around 130+ Toledo yelps and thought I was helping spread the word on good Toledo vibes.

Now I am on contract in Chicago, not involved in the restaurant biz, and in a city that has SO many more restaurants to explore than Toledo. I am changing my ratings to accommodate and will Iím sure be posting more 1, 2 & 3 stars in the process. Iím also yelping a boatload more while Iím here. Itís fun. I like it.

Once againÖ weíre talking yelp. Itís not rocket science. Anyone can use it. Nothing to be taken too serious.

THANKFULLY, in both Chicago and Toledo, I surround myself with positive people and for the most part most of my friends are food centric so I typically go to good restaurants. Actually, I try my hardest to only go to good restaurants!

I realize my yelp account is public, and it may affect some peopleís filter of their opinion of me, but for the recordÖ I use it to document the awesome places Iím eating on a regular basis for fun.

I apologize in advance if that changes your perception of my posts on other social media like my posts here on Toledo Talk.

Oh and related:

ďWith 4,400 posts he more or less is the mascot of TT...moving to Chicago, notwithstanding.Ē

No plans on moving my friend. Working out of Chicago on an amazing project. Still own my house in Toledo and am in Town during the weekends and as much as I can in general.

Iíve got lord knows how many posts on Facebook. The 4,400 on TT. 7,444 tweets at the time of this post. 1,822 instagram posts as well. Pretty sure a boat load on other message boards as well and a good chunk of that output is pro toledo. I figure Iím a mascot of Toledo in general at this point and not just Toledo Talk.

But regardless. Iím just trying to enjoy life, and have fun. Sorry if that rubs you or anyone else the wrong way. I think Toledo is great. Chicago is great. The midwest is great. These are values Iíve had for my entire life.

Yelp, that about covers it.

posted by McCaskey on Jul 16, 2014 at 12:10:47 pm     #  

Upso says: I figure Iím a mascot of Toledo in general at this point and not just Toledo Talk.

Not to mention, Toledo's top hipster. :-)

Sorry, Dustin; I couldn't resist.

posted by Anniecski on Jul 16, 2014 at 12:40:22 pm     #   2 people liked this

Not sure if Bleak House is going to have strong or mediocre success or will fail, but this morning they had a dozen people in there when I went to get coffee around 9 a.m., and they have posted hours that say they open at 6 a.m.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Jul 17, 2014 at 09:27:36 am     #   1 person liked this

Thought I'd give a rundown of the projects happening around downtown.

Veritas Cork & Craft will be opening soon (in the next week, maybe?) in the Commodore Perry.

Black Cloister Brewing Company hasn't declared their opening date yet, but from the looks of things, they're getting close. Possibly late summer?

The rowhouses at the former Easy Street Cafe are on track to begin receiving tenants in September.

Pat Giammarco's place is still a big question mark. The apartments looked to be ready to go back in September '13, but he's said he doesn't want to start leasing them until the restaurant on the ground floor has been completed.

Kengo Kato's sushi restaurant at 38 S St Clair has had a target opening date of September 1st.

The Berdan Building has had dumpsters moving in and out of it, so I think it's a pretty safe assumption that their crews are hard at work with the renovation as planned.

The Erie Street Market has a couple things going. Sustainable Local Foods moved in last month, and is using about 10,000SF to grow produce. The ESM is still waiting on word from Lucky's Market out of Boulder, CO, as to whether or not they'll be opening a grocery store in the Warehouse District.

The UpTown Green park (in uptown, obviously) looks fantastic! As far as I can tell, all that's left is for the amazing wall mural to be finished.

The Moxie, as far as I know, hasn't opened yet. I haven't been past it in a couple weeks though, so I'm not sure if that has changed. It's the spot next to Wesley's in uptown, and will be a theater/pub.

posted by Johio83 on Aug 08, 2014 at 10:12:53 am     #   3 people liked this

I was in the Black Cloister space a couple of days ago. Sounds like a late fall opening. Brewing equipment to arrive in a couple of weeks, but plenty of work yet to be done.

posted by Hoops on Aug 08, 2014 at 10:26:12 am     #  

Absolutely no way Cloister is opening late summer, but at least there now is visible progress.

Regarding Veritas Cork & Craft...better late than never.

Uptown Green amazing? You sure have a low threshold for what's amazing. Uptown Green is probably one of the most ridiculous wastes of money in a city that sure knows how to waste money. Fortunately, the construction was mostly derived from state or federal funds.

Berdan is likely at least three years from completion, but I have seen recent activity around the building.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2014 at 10:35:21 am     #  

Moxie hasn't opened yet.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2014 at 10:43:53 am     #  

I've opened 3 restaurants, had countless friends open restaurants, Downtown, Maumee, Sylvania, Perrysburg, Cleveland, Cincinnati, California, Chicago, everywhere. The 2 rules hold true for new restaurants/ bars-1) 90% will open at least 3 months later than they originally expected 2) Opening late is no reflection upon the short term nor long term success.

We all tend to worry to much about "why it's delayed". I've seen people run out of money, but I've also seen custom bar tops delay opening by a month. A million moving parts in each of these operations. Heck, the second most famous chef in Cleveland, Jonathon Sawyer was delayed opening his latest restaurant, Trentina by 18 months. That didn't stop the success or praise of the place. There's a ton of good stuff in the pipeline, that WILL open, all within a 15 block radius or so.

So by my count, you have an upscale wine/ beer bar, a brewery/ brew pub, a sushi place (yakitori too), a high end Italian, and a Theater/ pub all getting ready to open in the next 6 or so months. Hey, that's pretty good.

although... Jominics.....

posted by ahmahler on Aug 08, 2014 at 11:35:13 am     #   3 people liked this

Oh, and there's Hensville! (I still wish they would've stuck with Mudville) This one is still quite a ways off, but will certainly change the makeup of downtown quite a bit. There is expected to be a Dave & Buster's style gaming restaurant there.

posted by Johio83 on Aug 08, 2014 at 11:41:08 am     #  

They couldn't use Mudville legally, someone else has the trademark-but that name would have been much better. They'd BETTER have classic games!

posted by ahmahler on Aug 08, 2014 at 11:44:14 am     #  

90% will open at least 3 months later than they originally expected

Then as a consultant or whatever sort of restaurant expert you are, why don't you advise people to simply add 60-90 days to their "expected opening date?"

I'm looking forward to reading the various excuses you and others add here after this added capacity puts pressure on existing capacity. I love it as a patron, because I enjoy having options while enjoying low prices. Because I honestly don't see enough business for most to be profitable.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2014 at 11:59:39 am     #  

Has anybody heard what's happening at the former Woodchucks across the street from ESM? Noticeable activity has been happening there since at least early June.

I also noticed a zoning change sign at Paula Brown Shop on Monroe Street.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2014 at 12:01:36 pm     #  

6th_Floor posted at 11:59:39 AM on Aug 08, 2014:

90% will open at least 3 months later than they originally expected

Then as a consultant or whatever sort of restaurant expert you are, why don't you advise people to simply add 60-90 days to their "expected opening date?"

I'm looking forward to reading the various excuses you and others add here after this added capacity puts pressure on existing capacity. I love it as a patron, because I enjoy having options while enjoying low prices. Because I honestly don't see enough business for most to be profitable.

Who exactly are you bloviating to here with your comment?

posted by McCaskey on Aug 08, 2014 at 12:11:31 pm     #  

Obviously not you since you don't read very well.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2014 at 12:22:27 pm     #   5 people liked this

Your reply is nonsensical in relation to my question, but I see now it was ahmahler, Mr. Biggest Wet Blanket In NW Ohio and SE Michigan.

posted by McCaskey on Aug 08, 2014 at 12:31:50 pm     #  

"I'm looking forward to reading the various excuses you and others add here after this added capacity puts pressure on existing capacity."

That's definitely a concern. The only way these all (or even the majority) succeed is if the trend continues of increased activity downtown. Certainly, the current capacity can't support all of these new places as well as the existing places. But if the upward trend continues, and more and more people continue to come downtown, then it won't be an issue. In a complete guess, downtown is probably only getting about 2% of the metro area's population on even the most active nights. (1% would be about 6,500 people. The stadium holds about 10K, so I think saying 13,000 people downtown is reasonable). That leaves a lot of room for pretty realistic growth. Even if downtown starts bringing another 6K people down regularly, that's just 1% of the area's population that they're tapping into.

posted by Johio83 on Aug 08, 2014 at 12:33:07 pm     #   1 person liked this

6th Floor-no consultant, never owned a restaurant and never been able to be the one to set an opening date. But-half of my business is working with restaurants. If I were ever in charge, I would advise to NEVER declare an anticipated opening until you pass health inspection, but people get excited, so everyone they meet always asks-"when are you opening?". The excitement of opening a place can be hard to temper sometimes. I'm not an apologist or one for making excuses, with one caveat, some places that close suffer from issues that have nothing to do with the potential business (bad location, management, concept, under funded, etc). I would put most closures of bars and restaurants in downtown in the last 5 or so years in that category-i.e.-one of those things was wrong with it.

Paula Brown is adding a wine bar and demo kitchen-I believe they had to get some sort of On-premise distinction-that would explain the zoning change.

It will be interesting to see what happens with all of the new places opening-I do predict continued sustained growth-at some point, saturation will be hit, but we're not there by a long shot, at least in my opinion. I mean, there are flat out bad places downtown still doing a nice business. Had dinner at Registry on Wed-at 9, they were still 60% full-normally a slow restaurant night.

McCaskey-ouch-bloviating? People on this board that immediately assume that a delayed opening=trouble.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 08, 2014 at 12:35:15 pm     #  

I would therefore advise when you start getting questions on when you are opening to always add, "we are hoping to open . . . . . " By the way the new Real Camino up on north Summit is really getting worked on a lot, I continue to see a lot of activity every weekday as they are supposedly opening end of August.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 08, 2014 at 01:42:36 pm     #  

wait, is a new El Camino Real going in Fritz and Alfredos?

posted by nana on Aug 08, 2014 at 03:05:19 pm     #  

No its way north of there, almost on the state line, where the old Kroger used to be.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 08, 2014 at 03:50:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

"I mean, there are flat out bad places downtown still doing a nice business."

I don't expect you to, but I have to ask...would you mind naming them here?

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2014 at 05:39:26 pm     #  

6th-Oh, I'd love to, but I really can't. If we ever meet up for a beer, I'll be happy to share some opinions. That said, I think there are a bunch of places doing a stellar job-Registry, Bistro (of course) I think Manhattan's is gotten pretty good, Love the Attic, OT-amazing Burgers Home slice has great Pizza, Dirty Bird is quite good, Grumpy's, duh.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 08, 2014 at 06:02:03 pm     #  

If your schedule permits, that beer may happen soon after Veritas opens next week.

Manhattan's business seems to have really taken a dive, but I've enjoyed the food every visit there.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2014 at 06:20:37 pm     #  

Speaking of Manhattan's, I was there for lunch recently for the first time. I've had a few dinners there, and countless Sunday brunches, but this was my first lunch. I had their dagwood something or other, and oh my dear lord... it was perfection.

posted by Johio83 on Aug 08, 2014 at 06:27:58 pm     #  

Yeah-I don't go to Manhattan's very often, and I can't really comment on their business, but I really like their Chef, Ian and I think that they put some great stuff out there, particularly when they are left to their own devices and creativity.

Maybe we'll do a TTer meet up at Veritas in the near future...

posted by ahmahler on Aug 08, 2014 at 06:36:16 pm     #  

First lunch at manhattan's this week also and it was excellent.

posted by MrGlass419 on Aug 09, 2014 at 09:57:08 am     #  

I hit Manhattans for dinner last night. They are phasing in some new items on their already recently updated menu. I tried the mussels as an app and the broth they were served in was reeeeeally good.

posted by upso on Aug 09, 2014 at 12:46:20 pm     #   1 person liked this

I was at the Mud Hens game. Great fireworks from the suite. Hopping downtown last night. I thought of this thread.
The Blarney looked like an overflowing crab pot.

posted by justread on Aug 09, 2014 at 01:21:46 pm     #  

I drove past Manhattan's around 10:30 on my way downtown last night and the place basically was empty. Their food may carry them during evening hours, but the lack of live music really has crushed their late-night business compared to previous years because it's obvious their business is far below its peak.

A place that doesn't get much mention here, but sells more liquor than any downtown/uptown bar is My Brothers Place on Huron across from Huntington Center.

It was absolutely jam-packed both Thursday and Friday night this week and the place has enjoyed excellent crowds for a while.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 09, 2014 at 01:24:33 pm     #  

Yeah, I do think the change in live music has affected business, but frankly I like the place a lot more without the loud entertainment. It was mildly busy when we left last night around 9.

I have never been to My Brothers PLace. What is it like?

posted by upso on Aug 09, 2014 at 03:34:44 pm     #  

I have never been to My Brothers PLace. What is it like?

You'd stick out like a sore thumb ;-)

posted by odnation on Aug 09, 2014 at 03:47:54 pm     #   3 people liked this

I don't know if this will be un-PC or whatever, but... I wish Our Brother's Place had more authentic food. My wife and I have gone a couple times (and you're definitely right about sticking out) and there's nothing too exciting about the menu. I was really hoping for a place with good soul food or something. I go pretty crazy for southern cuisine of any kind, and that's what I was hoping to find. But it's pretty much just standard casual fare. Burgers, hot dogs, etc. On the upside, the staff has always been extremely friendly, and I can't agrue with the prices. A burger and fries and a margarita for like 5 bucks.

posted by Johio83 on Aug 09, 2014 at 11:40:55 pm     #  

It definitely has a feel of being a social club, with the food side basically being a supplement to that.

posted by Johio83 on Aug 09, 2014 at 11:44:07 pm     #  

And you're right about The Blarney last night. I don't know what was going on there, but the crowd was literally overflowing over the sidewalk and onto Huron Street.

posted by Johio83 on Aug 09, 2014 at 11:46:23 pm     #  

Tried to go to Cock and Bull last night same thing took a minute to even make our way through the front door gave up on even thinking about getting through the crowd to the bar and walked to the Bronze. Had to fight a crowd there and waite a few minutes for a drink but wasn't so packed. But hey guess this isn't a bad problem to have.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Aug 10, 2014 at 08:22:33 am     #  

Tried to go to Cock and Bull last night same thing took a minute to even make our way through the front door gave up on even thinking about getting through the crowd to the bar and walked to the Bronze. Had to fight a crowd there and waite a few minutes for a drink but wasn't so packed. But hey guess this isn't a bad problem to have.

posted by In_vin_veritas on Aug 10, 2014 at 08:22:34 am     #  

Were the blarney and cock and bull slammed from people looking to continue the celebration of the Hibernian festival downtown in promenade park Friday and Saturday?

They need to focus on creating more similar draws

posted by MrGlass419 on Aug 10, 2014 at 05:40:15 pm     #  

Went to the Irish festival around 7 and was disappointed by the turnout. Maybe 200 people at one time. Great time though. Thirsty Hooligans were good as always. Walked up to Frickers to eat and caught the end of the Mud Hens game. Great crowds in around the ballpark.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Aug 10, 2014 at 06:03:25 pm     #  

I had no idea the city of toledo even had an irish festival!

posted by upso on Aug 10, 2014 at 07:00:59 pm     #   1 person liked this

MrGlass419 posted at 05:40:15 PM on Aug 10, 2014:

Were the blarney and cock and bull slammed from people looking to continue the celebration of the Hibernian festival downtown in promenade park Friday and Saturday?

They need to focus on creating more similar draws

Good point. I don't know what time the Irish festival let out, but the Blarney was jammed at 11:00 Friday. Jam-med. Stuffed. Sardine.

posted by justread on Aug 10, 2014 at 07:09:12 pm     #  

UPSO- as reported in The Blade the hibernian festival used to be held outside The Blarney on Huron. Due to growth they moved the location to Promenade park this year. 600 to 700 people on Friday. This was the 24th annual.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Culture/2014/08/10/Dancers-vendors-festival-goers-attend-Irish-event-at-new-location.html

posted by MrGlass419 on Aug 11, 2014 at 09:21:39 am     #  

Ah ok. I knew the blarney had event but never realized it was an official celebration! Thanks for the info. :)

posted by upso on Aug 11, 2014 at 10:27:43 am     #  

They don't really want to sell yet at this price, but Wesley's bar at 1201 Adams is for sale.

It's strange because the business and building are owned by different people.

Listing price is a whopping $385,000.

Anyone that has been around Wesley's the past few years, knows how much the business has fallen.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 11, 2014 at 10:32:48 pm     #  

There are a few apartments upstairs, but 385 large still seems a bit steep, since the bar has been dead for at least 3-4 years.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 11, 2014 at 10:34:26 pm     #  

the building certainly needs some work. where is this listed?

posted by upso on Aug 11, 2014 at 10:47:39 pm     #  

Upso, I don't expect we'll see an official listing because Mike probably don't want the negative publicity. Many bars are sold via confidential listings because they don't want the employees and customers going elsewhere. I'm pretty sure the building, business, and all contents are included with the fat price.

Also, heard today that Cloister is looking at an opening around the "holiday season." So it's a late fall or early winter opening. This is another example of an establishment giving a previous opening date and then later delaying it a few months.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 11, 2014 at 10:55:06 pm     #  

Quite a bit of news today for this thread.

"The Bar" also formerly "Players Bar" @ 513 Jefferson across from Huntington Center, is reopening as "T-Town Grub & Pub" and provided September 1 as their opening date.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 11, 2014 at 11:13:41 pm     #  

As far as the "T-Town Grub & Pub" that sounds like a good time line, as it get's them ready for hockey. Any idea who is running the place?

In regards to Wesleys, Mike is the bar owner, not the building owner right? Anyways, makes sense on the listing. I get it.

I do want to mention... in regards to build out and general expected launch dates, I'm currently going through a build out project and it's gone months beyond our plans. I'm not taking either side of the argument other than to point out that groups with limited or fixed budgets working with contractors who have multiple projects don't have a huge amount of control on how things go.

posted by upso on Aug 11, 2014 at 11:32:50 pm     #  

Yeah Mike owns the bar and I believe with his lease he also controls the apartments upstairs. His bartenders used to live upstairs and maybe still are. Someone else owns the building itself at 1201 Adams, so this high sale price is odd.

Not sure if both are included in the price, but for $385,000, but I would have to believe it's both what Mike owns, the bar business along with the building owned by another person. The bar itself isn't really worth anything close to half that price. As a former Wesley's regular and still occasional customer, I feel comfortable saying that Mike hasn't been making money at Wesley's for a while and may even be running in the red currently because the business has really fallen apart.

The attached building on the right side (where Moxie will eventually open) as well as the parking lot are owned by the people that own the Mano's/Attic building.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 12, 2014 at 12:02:28 am     #  

TT's resident wet blanket has spoken. He doesn't know who owns the building or isn't even totally sure if Mike controls the apartments. He's also "comfortable' in saying that Wesley's isn't making money or is operating in the red (you know just like every other place he drives by). You don't know Mike's motivations for selling. You literally know nothing about the situation, just that it looks dead whenever it is your doing your drive-bys.

Oh and by the way next time I'm in there, I'll look for you. I'll just assume your the asshole, know it all guy at the bar.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Aug 12, 2014 at 10:05:30 am     #   4 people liked this

That's to bad I used to go to Wesley's quite a bit and still go by every once in a while.

One thing I have noticed lately is how bad it has smelled in there the past couple of times I have went by. Not sure if that is just lack of cleaning or whatnot but it might be off putting for some. Also I could never understand why they never put a little money into sprucing up the restrooms just a little.

posted by glasscityguy on Aug 12, 2014 at 10:09:55 am     #  

TT's resident wet blanket has spoken.
In defense of 6th-I feel like his comments have been constructive and informative as of late-particularly on this thread-He's right-385 is ridiculous. The last few weeks of downtown posts on this and other threads have been intelligent conversations about the goings on.

T-Town Grub & Pub-ugh. why didn't they just call it Ye Olde Grub & Pub? I've heard good things about the bones of that space, and I guess the Bar is is a gorgeous custom wood piece for that space. Fingers crossed they do something more than fried foods and bud light.

Upso-What's your take on Wesley's? Why the slowdown? I'm there pretty sporadically-is it the other bars closer to the warehouse district?

posted by ahmahler on Aug 12, 2014 at 11:47:05 am     #  

I have no take really. I'm rarely there, and when I am it's usually early in the evening. I have some friends that make it a point to go around 5 on fridays and the crowd is usually pretty thin at that point.

I agree that 385k is insane, but over valuation of downtown and uptown properties has been par for the course for decades. If every property owner that was sitting on empty buildings actually dropped their prices to market rate I think you'd see a lot more development in the area.

Hell, 15 years ago I wanted to buy a building near the library. It was only 3,000 sq feet and they wanted 250k for it. Sad thing was it needed another 100+ to get it liveable. 15 years later it's still basically vacant.

posted by upso on Aug 12, 2014 at 12:35:03 pm     #  

"T-Town Grub & Pub"

This is a joke, right?

posted by justread on Aug 12, 2014 at 12:37:37 pm     #  

Wesley's restrooms are terrible. The inside of the men's room is a little wider than a doorway. If you extend your arms, you can probably touch both walls. If one or two people are in there, getting to the sink requires a sideways, almost grind-past-you shuffle. Might as well wait in the hallway. It looks like a former proprietor, maybe back in 1950, decided they needed a second restroom so they turned a storage closet into the men's room.

posted by mixman on Aug 12, 2014 at 12:55:54 pm     #  

Ahmahler, Mike has a string of several successful, money-making years, but Wesley's business kind of peaked right around the time OT opened and the overall economy peaked.

Ron Z. a well-liked regular passing away a few years ago, also didn't help the bottom line there.

I've never remembered the bathrooms being anything other than disgusting, but I guess they really have turned away some customers.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 12, 2014 at 01:01:10 pm     #  

Is there anybody here with info about what's happening at the former Woodchuck's across from ESM? The inside was gutted a couple months ago and there still appears to be work happening inside.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 12, 2014 at 01:06:09 pm     #  

I've always found, in the three years I've been here, that Wesley's is hit or miss. Packed on some nights (especially the 80's-90's hiphop dance party on Friday's) empty on others.

I haven't noticed a significant change over the past three years, but I take it from 6th_Floor, who has been out and about much longer than I, that it's a change from years prior.

I don't know anything about their bottom line, but they seem to do a steady enough business while I've been in town. Not the OT or the Attic, but they sure as hell aren't The Bar of 329.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Aug 12, 2014 at 01:22:49 pm     #  

"in the three years I've been here."
"They sure as hell aren't the The Bar of 329."

Guessing you mean 329 Huron. Shame you missed Diva, from 2001-2008. Great space, gutted and remodeled, and great food, first from Dorian Dziad, and then from Erika Rapp, who is now known for her work at Registry Bistro.

posted by justread on Aug 12, 2014 at 01:39:55 pm     #  

Yeah, I meant 329 Huron. I meant to write The Bar OR 329 Huron.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Aug 12, 2014 at 01:43:52 pm     #  

329 Huron is where Diva was.

posted by justread on Aug 12, 2014 at 02:08:32 pm     #  

Workers at diva loved sniffing the white stuff..

posted by stooks on Aug 12, 2014 at 03:33:02 pm     #  

Yeah, the front of house manager in the final years was a bad dude. This is one of the reasons that restaurant is gone, front of house staff was a little out of control. Shame too, because the back of the house were total pros.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 12, 2014 at 03:40:55 pm     #  

Yeah. I know exactly who you are referencing. It was a shame because they really did have something awesome going!

posted by stooks on Aug 12, 2014 at 03:47:25 pm     #  

As sad as it is, or really, was, that Diva is gone, Registry is way better than Diva was at their best. It's a much better overall concept, staff is way better, and even Erika will say, she's a better cook today than while at Diva (although, I thought was awesome then too).

posted by ahmahler on Aug 12, 2014 at 04:17:10 pm     #   1 person liked this

That's why Diva is gone? I thought it had to do with the fact that their neighbors at FifthThird moved killing their lunch business plus the streets around it were torn out to build the Huntington Center which made the area a dead zone. Add on top the owner Zaleski wanted money out to concentrate on his overly ambitious project which is the Secor Hotel building (huge undertaking)? I don't think it's coincidence that Rapp's restaurant is in her former boss's new building.
White stuff? pfhhh.

posted by MrGlass419 on Aug 12, 2014 at 07:40:28 pm     #   1 person liked this

MrGlass419 posted at 07:40:28 PM on Aug 12, 2014:

That's why Diva is gone? I thought it had to do with the fact that their neighbors at FifthThird moved killing their lunch business plus the streets around it were torn out to build the Huntington Center which made the area a dead zone. Add on top the owner Zaleski wanted money out to concentrate on his overly ambitious project which is the Secor Hotel building (huge undertaking)? I don't think it's coincidence that Rapp's restaurant is in her former boss's new building.
White stuff? pfhhh.

Ding. Thank you. Somebody may have something on an employee. I was close to Eric and Jim, and kind of went with Jim in the divorce. Great guy. That place was a labor of love and drugs had nothing to do with the H/Z projects, and later Jim. I had some of the best meals of my life there between 2001 and 2008. All due respect to the strong field of local chefs that we have today. There are more options now. Toledo has grown as a food town. And frankly, I thank H/Z, then Jim, for a swift kick in the butt.
They added something very special downtown at a time (2001) that needed it so bad. Same with 20 North Gallery. Same for a first home for Toledo School for the Arts.

For someone to connect the ownership with a white powder innuendo is startling to those who knew them at the time.

posted by justread on Aug 12, 2014 at 08:07:07 pm     #   2 people liked this

I guess nobody said "owner." My bad, but still... to connect it with going out of business may have been a bit much.

posted by justread on Aug 12, 2014 at 08:13:59 pm     #  

no-not owner, not at all. That's not the accusation.

Idiot manager (employee), mismanaged the place. My suspicion is, Jim was probably out of patience and didn't want to sink more money into it. I know for a fact that the business had perked up, but there were still mismanaged (not Jim) and that can be the difference between being open and closed. If the manager ran that place professionally, rather than as an outlet for his partying, we would have found out if they survived the recession and 5/3 moving (I contend lunch is irrelevant for a good dinner spot). As it turned out, Jim probably didn't have the patience to find out-he already gave the place a reprieve when he hired Erika. Huge props to those guys for having a vision and investing in Toledo.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 12, 2014 at 09:45:18 pm     #   1 person liked this

I wasn't saying the owner...I just knew of several employees there. If the owners knew or not what was going on I have no idea. I didn't mean anything against the owners.

posted by stooks on Aug 13, 2014 at 10:56:51 am     #  

"workers at diva loved sniffing the white stuff" is a pretty broad and all-inclusive generalization. If 80 people worked there in 7 years, they can go under the bus for the sake of 3 at the end.

That's fair.

posted by justread on Aug 13, 2014 at 01:31:44 pm     #   3 people liked this

Heard that Woodchucks across from ESM is going to become a bar with house music theme. I didn't bother asking about an estimated opening date.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 15, 2014 at 12:46:50 pm     #  

Heard that Woodchucks across from ESM is going to become a bar with house music theme. I didn't bother asking about an estimated opening date.

6th-either you've learned something-or you agree with me on house music.

;)

posted by ahmahler on Aug 15, 2014 at 01:18:32 pm     #  

^ Aw, you're crazy. Probably just haven't heard any good house music yet. I can help with that.

posted by mixman on Aug 16, 2014 at 10:02:43 am     #  

The Muzak in hell plays house music. People think it is just the same song over and over, but's it's actually the entire catalog.

posted by justread on Aug 16, 2014 at 10:07:50 am     #   1 person liked this

Oh there's way worse stuff being played in satan's den. Round the clock country or adult contempoary would be my guess. But music is a very personal thing. To each his or her own.

Here's to Toledo becoming hip at a glacial pace!

posted by mixman on Aug 16, 2014 at 10:14:57 am     #  

They only play 90's rap music in hell.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 16, 2014 at 10:53:29 am     #  

Ok mixman- give me some suggestions on good house music-I'll stay open minded.

posted by ahmahler on Aug 16, 2014 at 12:41:43 pm     #  

Sure thing. pm sent

posted by mixman on Aug 17, 2014 at 05:13:30 pm     #  

Thanks-I'll check it out!

posted by ahmahler on Aug 17, 2014 at 05:16:38 pm     #  

Just seen the new sign on the restaurant going in by me El Camino Real La Chalupa. Rumor was late August opening, its located in the Merchant Landing plaza on N. Summit right by the Michigan state line.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 17, 2014 at 07:30:26 pm     #   1 person liked this

La Chalupa, the Boat

I am twenty,
drifting in la chalupa,
the blue boat painted with roses,
white liliesó

No, not drifting, I am poling
my way into my life. It seems
like another life:

There were the walls of the mind.
There were the cliffs of the mind,
There were the seven deaths,
and the seven bread-offeringsó

Still, there was still
the little boat, the chalupa
you built once, slowly, in the yard, after schooló

-Jean Valentine, 1934

posted by justread on Aug 17, 2014 at 08:46:19 pm     #  

1505 Adams (across from Manhattans) is not home to a tattoo parlor named Ink & Iron.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 18, 2014 at 03:42:32 pm     #  

*now

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 18, 2014 at 03:42:45 pm     #  

Any idea who is running it?

posted by upso on Aug 18, 2014 at 04:02:35 pm     #  

How long until Chez Joey bites the dust?

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/08/21/One-person-carried-out-on-stretcher-in-shooting-at-Chez-Joey.html

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:04:41 am     #  

I'm pretty positive anyone concerned with downtown's development would agree that the sooner something other than a strip club goes in there, the better off the area will be.

posted by Johio83 on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:09:15 am     #   6 people liked this

6th_Floor posted at 10:04:41 AM on Aug 21, 2014:

How long until Chez Joey bites the dust?

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/08/21/One-person-carried-out-on-stretcher-in-shooting-at-Chez-Joey.html

Chez Joey??? The strip club name generator must have been broken the day that place was started.

posted by clt212 on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:18:21 am     #   3 people liked this

I think it's a chain or something. (Before people begin to speculate, it doesn't have anything to do with a local restaurateur.)

posted by Johio83 on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:29:25 am     #  

Agreed on the strip club point, but violence was going to find the victim at the Chez Joey shooting.
Just like the two people who were shot dead in his house on Pearl St. last December.

posted by justread on Aug 21, 2014 at 10:36:51 am     #   2 people liked this

2 parcels involved with Chez Joey.

713 (building) & 725 (parking lot).

Slightly above 15k of unpaid property taxes.

The place should be closed immediately because the owners aren't even attempting to pay the property taxes they owe. I'd like to see the city padlock a couple more businesses nearby (Table 44 & Micheal's) that each are between 10-20k delinquent.

The Blade article says 17 patrol cars were at the scene. That probably cost Toledo taxpayers quite a bit of money and also reduced safety throughout the city during the incident.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 21, 2014 at 11:08:42 am     #   6 people liked this

Do you have any information about if Michael's and Table 44 are on settlement plans with the city?

posted by endcycle on Aug 21, 2014 at 04:03:57 pm     #  

Yes. 44 was paying into some of the principal owed, but has stalled again and the balance is again increasing. 44 currently owes between 18-19k.

Michael's finally paid some of the taxes for their parking lot. They previously hadn't paid anything toward the lot's balance for several years, if ever. They're also on a payment for the other parcels, but still very behind.

I don't see any delinquent payment plan at Chez and they didn't pay anything for at least the past year.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 21, 2014 at 04:11:25 pm     #  

The El Camino Rio, La Chalupa is delayed in opening, something about a no show for one of the guys for an inspection or license.

posted by MIJeff on Aug 27, 2014 at 07:06:43 pm     #  

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