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NWS message 4:00am Dec 8
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NWS message 10:01pm Dec 8
NWS message 4:50am Dec 9
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NWS message 11:26am Dec 9
NWS message 2:44pm Dec 9
NWS message 5:01am Dec 10
LC Small-scale Crisis Team
Amateur Radio Operators
LC Emergency Vehicle
Ice Storm Fun Facts

Possibly an ugly weather event this weekend

Sat, Dec 8, 2007, 10:20 a.m. : Snow and cold are fine, but heavy ice accumulation combined with some wind is definitely not good, especially when a house is surrounded by beautiful, towering oak trees. Limb-breaking, power-outage, road-blocking, property-damaging, destructive weather. Hopefully, something changes, like we get more snow or all rain.

4:00 a.m. Dec 8, 2007 : Winter Storm Watch in effect from 10 PM EST Saturday evening through Sunday evening

3:48 p.m. Dec 8, 2007 : Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 10 PM Saturday to 9 PM Sunday

4:15 a.m. Dec 9, 2007 : Ice Storm Warning in effect until 9 PM EST Sunday evening.

2:44 p.m. Dec 9, 2007 : Freezing Rain Advisory in effect until 9 PM Sunday evening.

3:52 a.m. Dec 10, 2007 : Freezing Rain Advisory in effect until 7 AM Monday morning.

6:53 a.m. Dec 10, 2007 : No Active Advisories

Forecast as of 6:53 a.m. Dec 10, 2007 :

Monday: Cloudy. Areas of drizzle or freezing drizzle this morning. Highs in the lower 30s. Northwest winds around 5 mph.

Monday Night: Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain...sleet and freezing rain after midnight. Temperatures steady in the lower 30s. West winds around 5 mph...becoming southeast after midnight. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.

Tuesday: Rain. Highs around 40. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming southwest in the afternoon. Chance of rain 80 percent.

  • Toledo area temps at 10:00 a.m. Dec 9 range from 28 at Toledo Express to 31 at Toledo Metcalf. Light rain/drizzle began falling in West Toledo around 10:00 a.m. The good news is we're not going into a major deep freeze after this, since Monday's temps are forecast to be above freezing.
  • Temperatures at 3:00 p.m. Dec 9 are 30 to 32 degrees. Trees and bushes look a little glassy, but not much if any drooping or bending of the branches and wires is occurring. Ice accumulation is around 1/16 to 1/8 inch. Most of the rain is south and east of Toledo at the moment.
  • Temperatures at 5:00 a.m. Dec 10 are 28 to 30 degrees with some fog / mist.
    • Toledo Public and Catholic are on a two-hour delay for Mon, Dec 10 as of 5:27 a.m.
    • Toledo Public and Catholic and many other schools are now closed as of 7:48 a.m.
      • WTOL's short list of about 15 closings and delays around 5:00 a.m. grew quite large over the next couple hours.

NWS message 4:00am Dec 8

It's just a "watch" right now and not a warning, which means the meteorologists are not sure yet what will happen, which means a chance exists that it won't be as bad as the forecast sounds.


National Weather Service statement at 4:06 a.m. EST, Dec 8, 2007 :

A Winter Storm Watch means that significant freezing rain and sleet is possible.

Low pressure will track towards the area Saturday night into early Sunday morning. As the low pressure tracks towards the area... warmer air aloft will move over cooler air at the surface. At the onset of the precipitation... snow and sleet is expected. However... by daybreak precipitation is expected to become a mix of sleet and freezing rain.

At this time the center of low pressure is expected to track across north central Ohio. With this expected track... temperatures at the surface will have a hard time climbing above freezing during the day Sunday. As a result... there is the possibility of a prolonged period of freezing rain across the area during the day Sunday and Sunday evening. Any precipitation across the area is expected to taper off Sunday night as low pressure departs the area.

NWS message 10:45am Dec 8

National Weather Service statement at 10:45 a.m. EST, Dec 8, 2007 :

A Winter Storm Watch remains in effect from 10 PM EST this evening through Sunday evening for Lucas... wood... Ottawa and Sandusky counties in Northwest Ohio.

Freezing rain and sleet will develop tonight across Northwest Ohio. Some snow is also possible for a while. Eventually the precipitation will become mainly freezing rain. The freezing rain will continue into Sunday. Temperatures will be below freezing tonight into Sunday morning and the Mercury will struggle to climb above freezing on Sunday. The longer the temperature stays below freezing the greater the potential for ice accumulation. A significant glaze of ice is possible.

If you have to go out late tonight and Sunday be prepared for icy travel conditions. If enough ice accumulates... trees and power lines could come down. Stay tuned to the latest forecasts for the latest information.

If temperatures on Sunday warm two or three degrees more than expected, then we may not get the significant ice accumulation.

NWS message 3:48pm Dec 8

Weather outlook downgraded from a Winter Storm Watch to a Winter Weather Advisory.

National Weather Service statement at 3:48 p.m. EST, Dec 8, 2007 :

Winter Weather Advisory in effect from 10 PM this evening to 9 PM EST Sunday...

The National Weather Service in Cleveland has issued a Winter Weather Advisory... which is in effect from 10 PM this evening to 9 PM EST Sunday. The Winter Storm Watch is no longer in effect.

A mix of freezing rain and sleet will develop tonight across Northwest Ohio... possibly mixing with snow at times this evening. Precipitation will gradually transition to all freezing rain toward daybreak and will continue through much of the day on Sunday.

Temperatures tonight and through much of tomorrow will be at or slightly below freezing... meaning there will be a prolonged opportunity for ice to accumulate. While precipitation rates should not be heavy... ice will likely accumulate on untreated surfaces. If travel is planned late tonight or tomorrow... be prepared for wintry travel conditions.

NWS message 10:01pm Dec 8

National Weather Service statement at 10:01 p.m. EST, Dec 8, 2007 :

A Winter Weather Advisory remains in effect until 9 PM EST Sunday.

Periods of freezing rain... occasionally mixing with sleet... will continue across Northwest Ohio through the overnight hours. The precipitation will transition to all freezing rain by daybreak and will linger through much of the day on Sunday as temperatures remain at or slightly below freezing. There will be a prolonged period of frozen precipitation overnight through Sunday and as a result... a glaze of ice on untreated surfaces is likely by early Sunday morning. Minor ice accumulations on trees and power lines are also possible.

Freezing rain will gradually transition to all rain by mid day as temperatures rise into the mid 30s. If travel is planned overnight through Sunday... be prepared for wintry travel conditions.

NWS message 4:50am Dec 9

National Weather Service statement at 4:50 a.m. EST, Dec 9, 2007 :

The National Weather Service in Cleveland has issued an Ice Storm Warning... which is in effect until 9 PM EST this evening. The Winter Weather Advisory is no longer in effect.

Freezing rain will develop over the area this morning and likely continue into this evening. Around a quarter inch of freezing rain may accumulate on surfaces. This could be heavy enough to cause some damage to power lines and trees besides making untreated roads... sidewalks and other surfaces extremely icy.

An Ice Storm Warning is issued when a heavy accumulation of ice will cause hazardous and dangerous driving conditions. You should consider postponing any travel. If driving is unavoidable, use extreme caution, and carry a winter emergency kit in case you are stranded. Stay tuned to NOAA Weather Radio and other radio and TV stations for further details or updates.

NWS message 8:55am Dec 9

National Weather Service statement at 8:55 a.m. EST, Dec 9, 2007 :

Freezing rain moving into northwest Ohio will spread into the Toledo and Findlay areas between 10 a.m. and 10:30 a.m. The freezing rain should be light at first but become more intense as the morning progresses.

NWS message 11:26am Dec 9

National Weather Service statement at 11:26 a.m. EST, Dec 9, 2007 :

An Ice Storm Warning remains in effect until 9 pm EST this evening. An Ice Storm Warning is issued when a heavy accumulation of ice will cause hazardous and dangerous driving conditions. You should consider postponing any travel.

NWS message 2:44pm Dec 9

National Weather Service statement at 2:44 p.m. EST, Dec 9, 2007 :

... Freezing Rain Advisory in effect until 9 PM EST this evening...
... Ice Storm Warning is cancelled...

The National Weather Service in Cleveland has issued a Freezing Rain Advisory... which is in effect until 9 PM EST this evening. The Ice Storm Warning has been canceled.

A Freezing Rain Advisory is issued when icing is expected in the affected areas, but not enough to disrupt travel or damage trees and power lines. Instead, patches of ice will cause slick spots on roadways and sidewalks. Walking and driving could therefore be difficult, but not impossible.

NWS message 5:01am Dec 10

National Weather Service statement at 5:01 a.m. EST, Dec 10, 2007 :

A Freezing Rain Advisory remains in effect until 7 am EST this morning. Areas of freezing drizzle will continue early this morning across Northern Ohio and northwest Pennsylvania. Some slick spots on elevated and untreated surfaces will be possible through early this morning. The freezing drizzle will taper off by mid morning.

LC Small-scale Crisis Team

Last month, Lucas County created a 'small-scale crisis team.' :

Following a debriefing about flash floods that damaged homes in the Old West End last summer, Tina Skeldon Wozniak, president of the Lucas County commissioners, felt more could be done to respond quickly to disasters that affect small numbers of people. When a particular neighborhood or a township is damaged by inclement weather or other forces, services are often slow to reach those areas because of a lack of a coordinated effort among elected leaders and first responders.

The National Weather Service in Cleveland will participate as needed, and Ms. Wozniak said City of Toledo officials often will be involved. Ms. Wozniak said each of the county's political jurisdictions has been contacted about the incident assessment team, which she said is an extension of the county's disaster-response protocol.

Ms. Wozniak said the assessment team not only will provide affected residents with more rapid relief, but also will be able to produce correct information to media outlets on where people should go or call for additional help.

A major ice event, of course, affects a large area, so maybe the above would not apply if this weekend's weather turns sour. And chances are we'll get only a small amount of ice accumulation this weekend that will result in nothing serious happening.

Amateur Radio Operators

A few years ago, a major ice storm slammed parts of Arkansas, and it was the amateur radio operators who enabled communications to continue in the affected areas.

From the FEMA Web site :

"When all the phone service, cell phone and radio networks were not working, amateur radio operators came to the rescue providing emergency communications," said Jerry Roberts, county coordinator for Sebastian County. "They assisted in restoring communication to the county sheriff and the emergency medical services. Radio-operators even rode with sheriff's deputies to provide radio communications."

All communications in Garland County, including the eight radio stations, were out of commission as a result of the ice storm. "Had it not been for the amateur radio clubs and the ham radio operators, I don't know how we could have done it," said Joy Sanders, emergency management coordinator for Garland County. "They supplied us with the equipment and operators that allowed us to keep communications open and to shuttle messages to Little River, Hot Spring and Montgomery counties."

LC Emergency Vehicle

From an undated posting at the Lucas County Web site that is a few years old, anyway :

The Lucas County Emergency Communications vehicle and trailer are a cooperative venture between Lucas County EMA and the Lucas County Amateur Radio Emergency Service (LCARES). The communications vehicle is a retrofitted Life Squad ambulance that was retired from service. The trailer was purchased with a grant from the Ohio Emergency Management Agency and matching funds from Lucas County.

LCARES operates both emergency communications units. Each unit is equipped with amateur radio frequencies and is capable of radio communication with most public safety forces in Lucas County. These vehicles can be used as a command post or communications center for emergency response incidents, or as an interface between amateur communications and public safety. Amateur radio volunteers from LCARES make the units available 24 hours per day, seven days per week for any department.

“In the post-September 11th world, it is good to know we can count on amateur radio operators from LCARES in the event we lose our traditional means of communication, or our systems need backup in times of critical emergency,” said Lucas County Commissioner Harry Barlos. “Amateur radio operators worldwide have a reputation as dedicated volunteers who serve their communities as unsung heroes, and our volunteers certainly fit that description.”

Ice Storm Fun Facts

I don't know about fun.

Wikipedia :

Damage from ice storms is highly capable of shutting down entire metropolitan areas. According to most meteorologists, just one quarter of an inch of ice accumulation can add about 500 pounds of weight per line span.

In addition to hazardous driving/walking conditions, branches or even whole trees may break from the weight of ice. Falling branches can block roads, tear down power and telephone lines and cause other damage.

Even without overhead tree branches, the weight of the ice itself can snap power lines, and power poles as well (even the big steel frame electrical pylons have crumbled under the weight of ice before). This can leave people without power for as long as several days to even weeks.

Ice Storms: Hazardous Beauty :

Ice storms may be comprised of either glaze ice or rime ice. Meteorologists classify transparent and homogeneous ice forming on vertical and horizontal surfaces as glaze. Glaze ice resembles ice-cube ice in apperance. Its amorphous, dense structure helps it cling tenaciously to any surface on which it forms. In contrast, if the ice is milky and crystalline, like sugar, it is termed rime. Rime ice is less dense than glaze ice and clings less tenaciously, therefore damage due to rime is generally minor compared to glaze ice.

For heavy glaze ice formation, the rain should fall rapidly as large, slightly supercooled drops, and the rate of freezing on the surface must be slower than the rainfall rate. With small drops and rapid freezing, the resulting ice is rime ice having a more crystalline, sugar-like texture and lacking the transparency of glaze.

Power and communication systems using overhead lines are perhaps hardest hit by ice storms. Freezing rain, however, affects more than just human technology. Animals and plants -- both wild and domestic -- may be killed or injured by ice accumulation. Ice damage to trees rivals disease and insects as destructive agents. Like power cables, tree branches and trunks collect ice in vast quantities.

While a walk through a forest after an ice storm may give the impression of large-scale destruction amid crystalline beauty, an ice storm also provides several vital functions. The same mechanical action that downs branches also releases seeds, promotes regeneration, prunes dead or dying branches, and indirectly provides nesting and sleeping cavities for birds and other animals.
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Great... thanks for the heads up jr. _

posted by Reinhart on Dec 08, 2007 at 12:18:04 pm     #  

Sounds like we should go to the grocery store today and get staples and some hot cocoa. Tomorrow may be a good day to stay inside, play some board games, watch a movie and maybe get started on making our christmas cookies (as long as the power doesn't go off).

Thanks for the info.

posted by MaumeeMom on Dec 08, 2007 at 12:30:07 pm     #  

Good thing we stocked up on wood for the woodburner this week! I'm hoping it doesn't hit us too hard, but we're definitely due. Especially after the one that was to hit us yesterday morning split and went right around us to the north and south! Stay safe everyone!

posted by justsimplyholly on Dec 08, 2007 at 01:07:14 pm     #  

10:45 a.m. National Weather Service statement.

posted by jr on Dec 08, 2007 at 01:18:20 pm     #  

the amateur radio (HAM) operators are an integral part of Lucas County's emergency services. The operators hold drills every year to practice a need to be on duty for a 48-hour period of time...

And their trailer is pretty neat in terms of the contents.

As for the weather, part of me wants a good winter storm - sit inside with the tree lit up, hot chocolate and good movies on TV...

But, afterwards, warming up a bit so that it isn't really a solid blanket of ice across the region and everyone can travel safely - and no worries about loss of power or crashing trees...

posted by MaggieThurber on Dec 08, 2007 at 05:36:08 pm     #  

NWS statement at 3:48 p.m. indicates the Winter Storm Watch has been downgraded to a Winter Weather Advisory.

posted by jr on Dec 08, 2007 at 06:00:25 pm     #  

Maggie: great post. Agree and we do :) I've been a ham since earlier this year and it's been a wonderful adventure. While I hope I never have to be activated for civil service needs it's comforting that I have knowledge in a craft that may save someones life someday (perhaps my own).

Toledo has the most amazing Amateur radio concentration unlike any other city or state I've been in.

On the second note I kinda agree. I'm a snow lover. Since growing up I guess there is a point when you go from loving snow to thinking it's annoying. Staying home from school to the age when you get sick of chipping ice from your car to drive to work.

Would be nice now that it's the weekend, to have a nice winter blast, sit at home with my woman and my dog put on some movies, pop some popcorn, turn up the heater, pull out the blankets, cuddle on the couch and relax while looking outside ever so often to see the white blanket surround us.

posted by jshriver on Dec 08, 2007 at 07:33:19 pm     #  

Just heard a weather warning advisory on the 147.375 repeater, so snow may still be coming. :)

posted by jshriver on Dec 08, 2007 at 08:16:05 pm     #  

Ya know... just because it's the weekend, that doesn't mean ALL of us are off from work... ;)

posted by valbee on Dec 09, 2007 at 12:21:32 am     #  

Ice ain't bad.
Ice Cube, Ice-T, Vanilla Ice... it lubricates the landscape. Sort of Maglev meets friction-lovers.

posted by charlatan on Dec 09, 2007 at 05:46:18 am     #  

sorry valbee - How 'bout if I hope that you get the same on your day off?

:)

posted by MaggieThurber on Dec 09, 2007 at 12:47:26 pm     #  

Hehe... that'd be nice, Maggie. Can we shoot for Friday? :)

I'm not looking forward to this drive in at all. Fortunately, it's not far from me, but I've been hearing sirens all morning so I'm anticipating problems.

posted by valbee on Dec 09, 2007 at 01:38:31 pm     #  

For anyone who has to venture out:

I ended up being called into work early because the person who was supposed to open up couldn't make it in from BG.

After chiseling the ice off my car (in west Toledo), roads were mostly just wet. I stopped for gas on the way in and it looked like it was trying to ice up again, but I was able to drive the speed limit without any problems. Stopping also wasn't an issue.

Going home from work might be a different story completely. I won't know that until 2 a.m.

Be safe, everyone!

posted by valbee on Dec 09, 2007 at 03:24:07 pm     #  

Good gawd, I nearly broke my f***ing neck just gallumpfing off my porch. My car was encased in ice just over 1/8" thick. TRAVEL CANCELED. I've also heard from a friend I called that although the main roads are fine, the side roads are horrible.

STAY HOME! Salt your sidewalks or something.

posted by GuestZero on Dec 09, 2007 at 06:15:15 pm     #  

Out here in the sticks (Harding Township, Western Lucas County) we've got about 1/4 inch of ice and the roads are near impassable, so avoid this area of the county. We're having Satellite TV problems already and after a call to the provider I found out I'm actually one of the lucky ones, many in my area are totally out. Hoping the roads are better by tomorrow, hubby drives to Monroe for work.

posted by justsimplyholly on Dec 09, 2007 at 06:39:59 pm     #  

Q: I am aware that apartment complexes are private property. However what should a tenant do when there has been NOTHING done to make sidewalks/parking lots safe for transit? Aren't there laws that give tenants rights to safety?

posted by djimpelr on Dec 09, 2007 at 07:12:57 pm     #  

Well, I worked for a man that owns a snow removal company, so let me explain to you why they haven't put any salt down yet. If they were to put the salt down before the rain/freezing rain stops, it will melt the ice but then it will refreeze. So "most" apartment complexes have a policy as far as ice goes that will not allow the companies that come in and salt to do so until the rain/freezing rain has passed.

The city ordinance allows for 24 hours after inclement weather has stopped for snow removal or putting salt down. So, once it has stopped check the time, if nothing has been done within 24 hours of the bad weather stopping, then you can call the city of Toledo number, but I'm totally unsure what that number is.

posted by justsimplyholly on Dec 09, 2007 at 07:38:42 pm     #  

I should restate that it's not a "policy" so much as it is how the contract between the owner of the property and the company that does the snow/ice removal. Sorry for misspeaking there!

posted by justsimplyholly on Dec 09, 2007 at 07:39:51 pm     #  

So what about the Ohio Landlord Tenant Act 5321.04 Obligations of landlord. (3) 'Keep all common areas of the premises in a safe and sanitary condition' come into play? BTW we reside in Holland.

posted by djimpelr on Dec 09, 2007 at 07:50:34 pm     #  

I'm not sure of Holland's rules, I guess the best thing to do would be to call the complex office, they might be able to help you. I understand what you're saying about the obligations of the landlord, but I don't know of a single apartment complex that puts salt down in the midst of an ice storm because most of the time it can actually make the conditions worse. (i.e. melting the ice when there is still ice or freezing temperatures that will refreeze the ice that has just been salted) Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer.

posted by justsimplyholly on Dec 09, 2007 at 08:10:00 pm     #  

In the "Village of Holland" the 24 hr rule applies by ordinance. In Springfield Township "Holland" there are no effective ordinances. Townships can zone but not pass laws/ordinances.

posted by holland on Dec 10, 2007 at 10:47:07 am     #  

I usually rely on the "WKRP Cincinnati - Less Nessman Eye Witness Weather" method of forecasting. Stick your head out the window.

posted by holland on Dec 10, 2007 at 10:49:55 am     #  

had to go out last night to do "The Sunday Night Wrap"...with Andrew Z, on the radio...couldn't skip it.

I had to get out the extension cords and use the blow dryer to melt the ice that had frozen the truck door shut.

The main roads were fine...and even most of the side roads in the Point - until I got to the last section of my street and my driveway which were a solid sheet of ice.

Even this morning, the garbage truck was sliding...so I called the 'call city hall' number to see if this last portion of our street could be salted. They'd salted the other portion a couple of days ago and that seemed to work pretty well...

We'll see...have to go out today, though, so hopefully the door didn't refreeze...I felt pretty silly using a blow dryer on a truck!

posted by MaggieThurber on Dec 10, 2007 at 11:32:01 am     #  

Hubby just called, he is heading home from work in Monroe, MI, and says the visibility up that way is almost zero and the roads were not that great. My daughters school has already canceled for tomorrow.

So if anyone is heading out tonight, PLEASE be careful!

posted by justsimplyholly on Dec 10, 2007 at 06:43:29 pm     #  

lots of fog in the Point...the water is, I believe, colder than the temp right now, so lots of fog around this way...

posted by MaggieThurber on Dec 10, 2007 at 07:10:26 pm     #  

Little fog here in rossford,but all in all not to bad. They are saying more might be on the way for tomorrow night though

posted by camaroman2125 on Dec 10, 2007 at 07:18:50 pm     #  

I didn't think things were that bad today - definitely not bad enough to cancel school. If they keep this up the kids will be going until July.

posted by MaumeeMom on Dec 10, 2007 at 09:52:22 pm     #  

I know one of the main reason's they cancelled here is cause they couldn't get all the busses cleaned off in time,plus it was still alittle slick out in the rural area's

posted by camaroman2125 on Dec 11, 2007 at 12:46:27 am     #  

I have a very bad feeling that we're about to pay for a long stretch of mostly mild winters. We've really only had-what?-ome? super bad one in the last 7-8? I'd take snow before ice, any day though.

posted by Darkseid on Dec 11, 2007 at 06:25:39 pm     #  

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