Loaded Guns in bars? No Smoking... Confused(?)

Yeah and so can every other criminal in the State (psst criminals don't care about the law). Remember all the bar shootings that happened in Toledo in the last couple of years where not by CHL holders. Last time I checked none of those hoodlums cared about HB45.

So your for smokers rights but not gun owners rights? See what happens when you try to limit someone else's right? It's all fun an games till they target your "sin".

BTW cancer sticks kill more people than guns :)

i'm pretty sure you can't be under the influence. so you CAN'T drink at home and then go out with a gun.

Actually, if I'm not mistaken, it's always been against the law to be in possession of a loaded firearm while intoxicated.
The anti-gun liberal weenies like MaryLou Johanek and her ilk of course cry that there will be drunken shootouts galore. If you recall, that's pretty similar to the same folks cries that if they pass concealed carry there will be shootouts over parking spaces and blood in the streets. It didn't happen back then, and it will be fine now.
The only difference is people with a CHL can go to a nice restaurant without having to render themselves defenseless first.
Every time a place is designated "no guns" all that is done is it becomes a potential "victim zone". Does anyone actually think a criminal pays any attention to a "no guns" sign?
To paraphrase Ted Nugent; "The very idea that somebody can dictate to me, how, if, where, and when I can exercise my God given right to protect my gift of life, is retarded."

Teds really eloquent.

Teds really eloquent.

Teds really eloquent.

Nugent = draft dodger. Says he believes in America, but apparently not enough to serve in the military when his nation needed him.

The only difference is people with a CHL can go to a nice restaurant without having to render themselves defenseless first.

it's also a plus for bar / restaurant owners. you will now be able to protect yourself (while not drinking of course) while working.

Nugent had a college deferment, so I guess he's as much of a draft dodger as say...Bill Clinton.

yeah, cause they have the same mentality...not, lol

Help me understand this...

It's easy, Cisco. Criminals don't care about the law - I think that's a prerequisite to becoming a career criminal, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. So since criminals ignore the law and pack their pistol wherever and whenever it suits them, that often leaves the law abiding populace defenseless. That includes those who frequent bars, by the way.

We object to that. So after years of battling the retarded opinions of our resident Moonbat politicians a law has finally been passed which is guaranteed to take three years off the of the life of such political heroes as Brown, Kearney, Sawyer, Skindell, Smith, Tavares, and Turner.

Oh yeah, and over the objections of Cisco and SensorG. Too bad, so sad.

"So now I can drink 12-15 beers at home, go to the local bar, shoot pool while in possesion my loaded firearm."

You described a typical evening in the hills of southeastern Ohio, and it has been that way for ages. You guys are behind the times up here if you're thinking that now you can do this. Laws are simply suggested guidelines. They're not meant to be taken literally.

You described a typical evening in the hills of southeastern Ohio...

Or in the Old North End.

Nugent had a college deferment, so I guess he's as much of a draft dodger as say...Bill Clinton.

"Nugent was draft age during the Vietnam war. In the December 15, 1990 issue of the Detroit Free Press Magazine, Nugent was quoted as saying that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi; and a week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own excrement, stained by his urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment, he says. "... but if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd killed all the hippies in the foxholes...I would have killed everybody." In a 2006 interview published in The Independent, Nugent denies ever saying (or doing) that. According to Nugent's current website, he enrolled at Oakland Community College and took a student deferment."

Yeah, he apparently did have a student deferment for a couple of years (somehow attending Oakland Community College while also touring with the Amboy Dukes) but when that ran out, he used the above technique.

Story and link to Selective Service record here:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9a1_1250550290

He also managed to father seven children with five different women over the years, including one during the marriage to his current wife. And, classy as ever, he refused to pay regular child support until a court ordered him to. Nice.

http://www.knac.com/article.asp?ArticleID=3719

My hero!

Yeah I have hard time taking political talking points from a hair band rocker.

As a married old man I really have no need for bars any longer, it's really just not my thing anymore. Having to worry about Johnny Law and have I had one to many for the breathalyzer and now I'm out 5k in fees and fines for a 4 dollar vodka and coke it just is not my gig. I kinda of find it funny that every State and borders Ohio allows "restaurant carry" and none of the rivers of blood have seemed to flow into our State. I carry all day, everyday but I still support the property rights of any bar/restaurant that wishes to post a Gunbuster sign, just means I wont spend my money there. I rarely goto establishments that serve booze because I don't like leaving my weapon in the car unattended.

I've worked with OFCC and we have had quite a bit of success in honestly and peacefully speaking with business owners who have posted Gunbuster signs and quite a few have taken them down. We maintain a "Do not patronize while armed" business listing and we vote with our wallet. Our latest victory came with Guitar Center in Spring Meadows. Ryan their manager is good people and cares about his customer base, go spend some money there!

They don't hand out carry permit like candy, In in Ohio you can not have spit on the sidewalk, one joint, or one altercation that involved any sort of violence (even a misdemeanor) will disqualify you. Stop restricting the freedoms of law abiding citizens and focus your efforts on the real problems.

Gollum say - "Oh yeah, and over the objections of Cisco and SensorG. Too bad, so sad."

MadJack, I have no problem with gun ownership. Please don’t equate my making fun of YOUR delusional paranoia, irrational fear and mistruths as anything more than it is.

I find both sides of the gun debate are pretty much full of it. Allowing people to carry guns doesn’t create “free fire” zones with innocent people caught in the crossfire. Nor does allowing people to carry guns suddenly make criminals all stay at home and walk the straight and narrow. If carrying a gun is what it takes for your balls to drop, have at it.

As for guns in bars, it’s a private property issue; plan and simple. That said, some bar tender who unknowingly serves a gun carrier money and the carrier does something stupid, good luck with the law suit… It won’t take much for a lawyer to make hay, regardless of the letter of the law.

That old story about Nugent is as old as hell. In reality HE made it up just to screw with some reporter after he got tired of being questioned about it so much.

I like how the media and the anti gunners keep stressing BARS. Personally, I couldn't care less about bars as I don't drink alcohol.
I will however be glad when I can go to a nice restaurant without disarming.

Like dbw, I don't understand the stupidity of designating any area a "gun free" zone. For example, a bank, if a criminal is going to rob a bank, are we to believe they would balk at carrying a gun inside to do it?

Moonbat say "I have no problem with gun ownership".

Sure you don't. Tell me SensorG, does denial really help or is it the denial combined with the Prozac that keeps you cheerful and your life trouble free.

I never bought into the private property argument. If a business is open to the general public my rights do not automatically get suspended when I cross the threshold. Modified, maybe. Suspended, no. The same thing is true at work. It should not be legal to suspend anyone's constitutional rights as soon as they punch the time clock.

Getting your CCW in Ohio isn't easy. Many sheriffs oppose the idea of armed civilians, and that's especially true in Lucas county. You'll get better treatment by crossing the border into Wood county.

Madjack - please don't project your fears on me. I have no interest in separating you from your precious. Please seek help.

That old story about Nugent is as old as hell. In reality HE made it up just to screw with some reporter after he got tired of being questioned about it so much.

Did you look at that link to his Selective Service record I provided? It shows clearly that he was given a student deferment for two years and then failed the physical in 1969. See below? It says "1-S" and "2-S" for student deferments and then "Rej" as the result of his physical exam. (sorry for the large size)

Sorry to harp on about this but hypocrites like Nugent make me sick.

Clearly they just want people to die quicker so they don't cost the state funding for Medicare :P

/sarcasm

I say the same thing about helmet laws :)

I just read the entire stream.

How does draft dodging - make Nugent or anyone else - restricted from believing in and talking about the U.S. Constitution?

Let me go back and re-read.....Nope - Jeep paraphrased a Nugetism, but so what. I don't see anythin indicated Ted believes to exercise your rights you must be a veteran.

Mancy's steak house is nice. The area is not. The parking lot is a nice target area for scumbags given that a meal there takes some scratch. So, before, a citizen who carried legally, would have to 1) leave their weapon at home before going, or 2) leave their weapon in the car to potentially be stolen and used by said scumbag in his next crime.

Now - the citizen can choose to carry, stop at Mancy's for dinner, and wear their weapon to dinner. If Mancy decides to post a no-gun sign, that's their right. If the citizen gets intoxicated - they can be arrested, loose their permit and gun, and many other sanctions.

TAHL

One last thing on the Nuge:

I believe that the vast majority of gun owners are decent, law-abiding citizens who would not threaten anyone with violence unless it was a life or death situation. The Nuge is not one of those individuals:

I really don't think we need to make another law. I think we just need to enforce the ones we have and make the penalties more strict. Many of the laws being passed now are really common sense.
Don't drink and drive-sounds reasonable
Don't drink and use a gun-sounds reasonable
Don't drive and text-sounds reasonable
Don't drive while being distracted-sounds reasonable

Everyone of those laws could be eliminated if the punishments were more harsh. Just because we have a law, doesn't mean someone won't break it. You think the careless gun owner is going to care whether or not he drinks with his gun on him because it's a law now? I don't think he'd care one way or another. The responsible ones would.
Is there really a difference between driving distracted by changing the radio station or texting? I don't. Either way, if you get in an accident while texting, changing the radio, eating, or whatever, make the punishment more severe.

As far as Sweaty Teddy goes, while I can see both points. Muhammed Ali stated that he had no quarrel with the vietnamese and therefore wouldn't fight. On the other hand, your country is asking for your help. I wonder how many draft dodgers there would today if there was a draft? I can also see the difference between having invaders at our borders/shores and being told to go over to Iraq or Afghanistan to fight a war that really no one knows what "winning" is or how long we'll really be there. As a veteran, when all is said and done, when your country asks, you go. If you do not agree with the war or operation, then also leave the country. Don't try to have it both ways. Live in a country where we have to do certain things to obtain our freedom.
I do like some of Nugent's opinions. He's not a politician and he's not looking for votes so he can say what he wants. I don't think I'd follow him in a revolution or vote for him for political office though.

I personally have no problem with guns, except their high price. If you want to carry one and be responsible, have at it. If the thought of people carrying guns scares you, think of all the idiots driving "killing" machines every second and they aren't killing people at random.

At my last count 43 states allow concealed and or open carry into establishments that serve alcohol. The laws vary as to where you can sit (bar area or food service area) and whether or not you can drink. There are 9 states I am aware of that allow open or concealed carry or both into bars and nightclubs where the primary business is liquor only. The laws also vary there on consumption and amount. There are four states that have no restrictions except "don't get drunk and cause trouble". To my knowledge and personal experience there is almost no reported gun related crime or problems with persons lawfully exercising their right to carry a firearm in any of these jurisdictions. Where I live I can even carry my Class 3 (full auto) weapons and my AOW's (any other weapon) like my 9" barreled Mossberg 12 gauge concealed. My permit also covers knives including those dreaded auto openers and just about anything else I can get under my shirt or jacket. The uber liberals in Ohio would be foaming at the mouth if you folks had the rights I enjoy. And how did Teddy get into this thread and what does he have to do with it anyway?

I love how the same people that complain don't realize all that is involved for laws to be made about this and that and the lenghth of this and that and if you are here or there. But they are the first to bitch about costs of taxes when it costs money for these people to settle this stupid shit. Gimme gimme gimme. It aint 1880 anymore. People have been going out to eat sans arms for a long time, stay home paranoids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_massacre

Here is a little history lesson. This is the incident that made concealed carry law the norm. 23 people should have just stayed home.

No Ryan people have just been hiding their sidearm while they go out to eat for a long time, minding their own business, being peaceful adults and staying shut up about it. If you think people have only been carrying since 2004 you are mistaken.

Shit you could used to get a gun at a hardware store and cowboys in westerns where all the rage on TV, where were the rivers of blood?