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11 yr old Toledo boy badly burned

This story is terribly sad. So far, I've only seen it mentioned on Channel 13.

Here's the gist: An 11 year old boy attended a sleepover at a friend's house last Saturday night. The boy was the first one to fall asleep. A 16 year old who was also in the home microwaved a bowl of water and threw it on the boy as a "sleepover game."

(When I was a kid, I recall the first person to fall asleep at a sleepover getting their hand dipped in warm water...not getting scalding hot water thrown on them!)

The 11 year old boy has 2nd and 3rd degree burns to his arms, thighs, abdomen, and genitals. The initial news story stated that he may not ever be able to have children as a result of the burns.

He will be in the burn unit at least another week, and likely has several future surgeries ahead of him.

The mother has a job and medical insurance. However, she is taking unpaid leave to be at the hospital with her son.

Oh...the 16 year old is on house arrest, and is being charged with felonious assault.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=8190529

created by mom2 on Jun 17, 2011 at 10:41:03 am     News     Comments: 17

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How awful :(

posted by karen on Jun 17, 2011 at 11:13:48 am     #  

The stupidity of youth...

posted by OhioKimono on Jun 17, 2011 at 11:14:22 am     #  

When I saw the story on 13, they called it a "water prank" or something like that. At first, I also thought the sleepover game was the hand in warm water/pee on yourself prank.

When they got into the details it was just sickening. This wasn't an accident. That 16 year old piece of crap wasn't carrying that bowl of water with bare hands--he knew very well how f&#king hot that water was.

That kid is in deep shit for his cruelty.

posted by oldhometown on Jun 17, 2011 at 12:33:52 pm     #  

Why the hell is that freaking punk on house arrest and not in the juvenile detention center?

posted by tm2 on Jun 17, 2011 at 01:32:10 pm     #  

WHERE WERE THE PARENTS???????

posted by nana on Jun 17, 2011 at 02:43:55 pm     #  

I was also wondering what the adults in the household were doing when the injury occurred.

The injured boy's mom gave him permission to sleep over at another 11 year old boy's house. But where were the adults of that house?

(Though at 16, a boy should be capable of realizing that the scalding water would seriously hurt someone. Even without an adult hovering over his shoulder.)

posted by mom2 on Jun 17, 2011 at 03:04:47 pm     #  

16 year old kids are not any more immune to stupid behavior than they were at 6 years old. Some at 26 still don't get it.

It's likely that the teenager wasn't thinking, and since there were no adults in the immediate vicinity to do his thinking for him, here's the result. This kid, Vincent, is in bad shape. ABC has a few photos of him.

What impresses me is that the community and the media are not calling for blood, but are asking for financial support for Vincent's mom. I think that's a worthy cause.

I would guess that the reason the alleged perpetrator is under house arrest and not in juvenile jail is a combination of flight risk and extenuating circumstances that have yet to be made public. For instance, it could easily be that the accused had little to nothing to do with the crime and the rest of the kids are lying about it.

posted by madjack on Jun 17, 2011 at 07:42:43 pm     #  

Saw that story - showed a pic of the survivor - his little arm looked like a piece of raw steak.

For an 11 year old kid this is going to mean a lifetime of gawdawful surgeries - skin grafts and the like - second and third degree burns, that's tough for an adult!

What do you bet the 16 year old has autism or ADHD or something similar and will use that as an excuse?

sigh

posted by michael43551 on Jun 17, 2011 at 10:29:41 pm     #  

I hope that the mom's employer is understanding about the situation.

With everything the family has been going through, at least it would take one thing off their minds to be sure that the mom's job was kept secure.

posted by mom2 on Jun 17, 2011 at 10:42:03 pm     #  

Tough call on this one, since we do not know the mindset of the 16-year-old at the moment of the crime. The water was microwaved, so it is possible the teenager intended to get some water that was hot enough for the prank but not hot enough to burn the child. Again, I am certainly not justifying the stupid behavior, but there is a possibility that the perpetrator is remorseful and had no intention of causing harm. Also: consider that these burns could have been caused by water in the 120-130 °F range if the water was on the child's skin for enough time. The idiot teen might have conceivably stuck his finger in the water and thought it was not too hot (millisecond exposure) but on the sleeping child the exposure may have been 30 seconds to several minutes, meaning water that seemed "hot but not scalding" coming out of the microwave had enough time to cause extensive burns if left on the skin much longer. "Scalding" water does not equate to "boiling" water, and while this was an incredibly stupid "prank," I think we do not know enough about the teen's actions and thoughts when he hatched this dumb idea.

We should also factor in the vast range of wattages on microwaves, and I can see how the accused teen might have misjudged the power of a microwave to bring harm. Heck, I cannot even consistently cook instant oatmeal in a microwave on the first try: a little more or less water makes a huge difference in the finished product and cook time, and to get oatmeal the way I like it in the same microwave every morning can be as low as 33 seconds and as high as 50 seconds, since I never measure the water first.

As another example, we have a dog who was accidentally burned by spilled chicken soup, and the problem was exacerbated by the fact that the howling dog ran around for a bit before we could get to her and get some cold water on her. She had significant burns on her back, and had to go to the animal hospital for a few days, plus some longer term wound dressing at our vet. The soup was ready to serve the family, but 30 seconds or so on the dog's skin was enough to cause second and third degree burns. Yet humans could have put it on a spoon, blown on it briefly, and suffered no ill effects.

One more time for the reading-challenged trolls: the teen did something incredibly stupid and harmful, and should suffer the consequences for his decision-making. My point above was merely to suggest that there may have been extenuating circumstances to this case that were not covered in the story as presented so far. As for those who condemn the parents: let's not judge them for something that is the sole fault of the teen who carried out this action. Are you suggesting that they were somehow lax because they (GASP) let a 16-year-old near a microwave and a water tap? It is not as though they left a gallon of whiskey, some Quaaludes, and a loaded shotgun with the kids and said: "Have fun, boys!" In my own experience as a parent, teens and children can be amazingly impulsive, and my wife and I have seen our share of adolescent stupidity right under our noses. Luckily all of ours graduated high school, had at least some college, and avoided major stupidity of the form taken in this case.

Anyways, a sad story, and I agree with madjack that I am glad so many people are helping out. This moves me to make better use of some PayPal cash that is currently collecting dust.

posted by historymike on Jun 18, 2011 at 07:47:06 am     #  

hm - I agree. All of the facts will have to be taken into consideration before deciding how to handle the 16 year old.

The reason I wondered where the parents of the household were is because the Vincent's mom was not aware that the 16 year old would be present at the sleepover.

That could be a completely innocent thing (ex - friend of an older sibling stopped over), or it could be something more complicated (ex - if they left the house, and the 16 year old was put in charge of the younger boys). Since Channel 13 specifically stated that Vincent's mom wasn't aware that the 16 year old was going to be there, I had wondered if there was more to it.

(Of course, Channel 13 could just be over-reporting details as well. I certainly thought that the article could have left out the part about possibly not being able to have children. The seriousness of the burns could have still been conveyed while leaving that detail private.)

P.S. My kids are younger than 11, and I don't hover over them every minute in the house. I'm sure theoretically they could end up nuking some water and burning each other as well.

posted by mom2 on Jun 18, 2011 at 08:31:55 am     #  

All I know is when water is that hot in a microwavable container it is pretty obvious when you remove it. If they just wanted to scare the kid hot water out of the tap would have been plenty, or even cold. But to take the time and effort to nuke it? Sounds suspect to me.

posted by Ryan on Jun 18, 2011 at 08:51:22 am     #  

Its hard to say, guess we just have to wait for all the facts to come out.

BTW - if anyone wants to help Vincent but can't afford a monetary donation, Channel 13 has a new article about an organization that helps kids who are burn victims. They accept donations of aluminum cans in addition to monetary donations.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=8197510

posted by mom2 on Jun 18, 2011 at 09:01:01 am     #  

What kind of container did the teen use, Ryan: was it a thick plastic bowl that insulated his hands, or a thin glass that would make it immediately evident that the water was scalding? How full was the container - all the way to the top of a small cup, or 8 ounces sloshing around in the bottom of a large bowl? What was the exact temperature of the water? How long did the water get microwaved? Was the original water going in the microwave cold, war, or hot? What was the wattage of the microwave? Did the teen callously and maliciously throw scalding water on the kid, or did he trip and accidentally dump more water on the child than he originally intended? How long did the water remain on the child - did the child immediately jump up and scream from being doused with 200 °F water, or did the child continue sleeping for 30-60 seconds with 120-130°F water on his skin? Did the teenager try to help the burned child after he realized the harm caused by the prank-gone-wrong, or did he roll on the floor laughing like a deranged sociopath?

Not trying to be sarcastic - just trying to flesh out the wide range of factors that may have influenced the decisions of the prosecutor and judge.

posted by historymike on Jun 18, 2011 at 09:28:25 am     #  

I understand all that. According to a comment on The Blade site the 16 year old is a straight A student. He put the water in the microwave. It just seems very odd to me.

posted by Ryan on Jun 18, 2011 at 12:36:24 pm     #  

It probably seems odd to you because you are thinking like a rational, empathetic person, Ryan. It might make more sense if you drank three Red Bulls, ate a half-pound of candy bars, and just received a surge of testosterone in an adolescent body; here is an example of the mindset:

posted by historymike on Jun 18, 2011 at 02:22:33 pm     #  

why thats the nicest thing you have ever said to me. wanna come over and watch Glee sometime?

posted by Ryan on Jun 18, 2011 at 02:41:06 pm     #  

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