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Very little National coverage of Race crimes commited by Blacks

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/126828998.html

I hate to stir the pot on this but it upsets me that this is not reported Nationally. I have not even seen a blurb about it on CNN which usually devotes first page space to Race issues and trying to analyze why they occur. Burying the story because of the racial implications to me is almost criminal.

Why post this on Toledo Talk? With the local situation what it has been recently with nightly shootings will it be suprising if a similar situation occurs in Toledo? Sensative subject to be sure but one that the country and it's leadership should be addressing, especially for the sake of the victims in these situations.

created by Danneskjold on Aug 06, 2011 at 03:16:43 pm     Politics     Comments: 104

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1. "Not reported nationally"? A quick search reveals many hundreds of news stories; try Googling "Wisonsin State Fair" and see for yourself. This story is hardly buried, and news aggregates like the Drudge Report have been flogging this nonstop for two days. CNN does not seem to have anything on their website, but given the lack of fatalities and that this was more drunken stupidity than real rioting, it probably did not meet the "if it bleeds, it leads" standards for CNN. Unfortunately, dead bodies attract a lot more attention than cuts, bruises, and hurt feelings (I read four civilians and seven police officers suffered injuries of some form, with nothing life-threatening).

2. As mentioned on many previous threads, poverty and education levels are much better predictors of a propensity toward crime than race or ethnicity. For every news story you post about African Americans committing crime, I can post another with a white perp. However, what you will find in common is that people who are poor and with low levels of education are much more likely to commit crimes than educated wealthy people, regardless of race (I did extensive research on this topic on another similar thread, and I really have no interest in doing this all over again, so search the TT site if you want the data). Note to trolls: I am discussing statistical likelhoods, and I am not excusing crime based on income or education levels. I know more than a few people who grew up poor and/or without graduating high school who chose not to live a life of crime.

posted by historymike on Aug 06, 2011 at 03:51:55 pm     #  

History Mike, even reviewing the Google search it appears most stories are either through the local papers - with Drudge highlighting those. I do not see CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS... Many of the stories Googled do not relate to the incident but the fair itself.

With respect to your previous post that addresses "who commits crimes" and the argument pertaining to education rather than color - I think this is a seperate discussion. What we have here is a collective race victimizing another race. Just as I would admire Blacks who refused to be bullied generations ago I would give great pause for concern if whites contually are bullied in this manner and allow themselves to be intimidated with fist and then also silenced on the grounds of a collective Political Correctness that provides a shield for the intimidators despite the obvious color component of their victims.

posted by Danneskjold on Aug 06, 2011 at 04:17:05 pm     #  

1. Here are some of the major news media outlets that carried the story: FOX News, Reuters, UPI, Chicago Tribune, and the New York Daily News are just a few of the ones I saw. NBC/MSNBC has a story on this, though I have not been able to find the story on the other networks you mentioned. It was also picked up by Sky News and other international news agencies.

2. Your race-based claims are not accepted by all parties: Rumors of racial attacks spread just as quickly. But the State Fair police chief said the incidents inside his jurisdiction did not appear to be based on race. "Most of the fights we had were African-Americans fighting with other African-Americans," said Chief Tom Streubing. There were some witnesses and victims who claimed that people were singled out on the basis of skin color (and some of the fights may indeed have had a racial basis) but it seems that this was a drunken and unruly mob that was hell bent on mayhem, not starting a race war. However, the police chief of Milwaukee noted that "some victims" did appear to have been targeted on the basis of skin color.

3. Connecting race with crime is like comparing gender to crime: men commit far more crimes, and have a much higher propensity toward violence, than do women. Should we have a dialogue about the evil that men do, too?

4. Finally, one more time: while the violent mêlée was idiotic and reprehensible, the injuries and damage were comparatively minor. Teenagers act stupid every day of the week, and national news media tend to pick up on stories where the violence is either extreme or where it leads to serious injury or death. Would you say there was a coverup, for example, in the Reginald Denny case?

posted by historymike on Aug 06, 2011 at 04:51:15 pm     #  

Danneskjold, when you have time please turn your attention towards the racial implications of female entertainers who have "wardrobe malfunctions." First Janet Jackson and now Nicky Minaj, showing a bit of boob in otherwise G-rated venues, making it necessary for the networks to scramble and apologize. We are ALL victims of this kind of slippage ;-)

posted by viola on Aug 06, 2011 at 04:51:54 pm     #  

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14965429

Here is one that should have received more coverage.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 06, 2011 at 06:14:07 pm     #  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2018717/Laura-Ackerson-killed-ex-boyfriend-wife-start-new-life-Virgin-Islands.html

This one was more widely discussed, but a gruesome crime.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 06, 2011 at 06:17:16 pm     #  

www.thugreport.com is a good site to find out about various murders across the country. Most of the crimes posted there aren't racially motivated, but they give outsiders a glimpse just how dangerous some American cities are nowadays.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 06, 2011 at 06:20:35 pm     #  

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp

If the race of the convicted and victims were reversed in this case, we would be hearing about it for the next 50 or more years.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 06, 2011 at 06:28:09 pm     #  

I did happen to catch this story on Drudge Report (which never misses an opportunity to help white people feel like they are the ones who have it bad) and the thing that jumped out at me was a statement released by two white aldermen in Milwaukee in the aftermath of the riot. An excerpt:

"As elected officials, we are shocked and concerned about the senseless violence displayed by the large mob outside State Fair Park last night. On behalf of our city, we apologize to the victims and good patrons who endured or witnessed such horrific behavior.

Sadly, what transpired near State Fair Park last night is only the most recent mob riot spawned by a culture of violence that has been brewing in Milwaukee for some time.

And let's face it, it also has much to do with a deteriorating African American culture in our city."

Wow. True or not, it blows my mind that a politician would go down this road. Must not be too many blacks in these guys' districts.

http://www.cbs58.com/news/top-stories/Ald-Donovan-Dudzik-release-statement-about-State-Fair-attacks--126851718.html

posted by Ace_Face on Aug 06, 2011 at 06:45:18 pm     #  

http://www.jsonline.com/general/37714089.html?bcpid=23739055001&bctid=1095897172001

The above video is news interviews with eyewitnesses and victims.

Historymike, groups of more than 100 do not run wild beating people up at events such as state fairs every day. This story would have been much nicer to read of one of the people driving would have put a sawed-off out the window and blasted one or more of these punks to kingdom come.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 06, 2011 at 06:54:39 pm     #  

As HistoryMike points out, the riot was reported nationally. It may not have been given all the attention some people think it deserved (Google produced 307 hits in news) but it has not been ignored.

6th_floor makes a good point about the stories he posted regarding a disparity of news coverage and racial motivation for the crimes. Still, the only people who can say for sure why these crimes were not given more attention are the editors of the news sources. They have the final decision.

Personally, I believe that there is some truth to coverage of a violent crime being tied to the race of the perpetrators. If the perps in Wisconsin had been white and the victims black, I believe we would be seeing a lot more coverage. I have no stats to back this up - it's just my own personal belief.

posted by madjack on Aug 06, 2011 at 07:07:02 pm     #  

6th Floor said: "Historymike, groups of more than 100 do not run wild beating people up at events such as state fairs every day."

Actually, mob mania happens all the time, and I recall a similar incident a few years ago right here in Toledo in a parking lot on Secor between Central and Sylvania. Several hundred teenagers had gathered to drink, make noise, and act - well - like insolent teens, and when the cops showed up to disperse, there were lots of punches and mayhem. I'll not add the 2005 neo-Nazi riot in Toledo in this post, as this had a significant political element that is different from the typical drunken rampages we are discussing here.

There was also a similar incident at Detroit and Bancroft 4-5 years ago, with hundreds of teens running like lunatics, smashing windows, damaging cars, and generally acting unruly. In both incidents, though, the mayhem was limited to some relatively minor vandalism and the injuries were limited.

Just like the Wisconsin state fair, but in the Wisconsin State Fair case there are tons of viral videos making this a big story. In the two Toledo rampages I referenced, the lack of viral video no doubt contributed to these stories fizzling out.

And how can we forget the insanity in Vancouver after the Stanley Cup Finals this year (remember that 80-90 percent of these hooligans were drunken white Canadians; let it not be said that we denied white thugs their due):

posted by historymike on Aug 06, 2011 at 07:36:49 pm     #  

Or how about this group of rampaging Toledo teens (from 2010):

posted by historymike on Aug 06, 2011 at 07:43:03 pm     #  

And let us not forget the infamous Mother's Day Brawl at Golden Corral:

posted by historymike on Aug 06, 2011 at 07:44:34 pm     #  

HM, I don't feel the Golden Corral incident is nearly as significant as what happened in Wisconsin. Are there any eyewitness reports of the folks in BC shouting racial epithets while beating up victims and breaking car windows, or did you just want to show that white people are capable of rioting?

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 06, 2011 at 09:12:12 pm     #  

If the perps in Wisconsin had been white and the victims black, I believe we would be seeing a lot more coverage. I have no stats to back this up - it's just my own personal belief.

^^^^^^^^^

The Cook brothers committed I believe ten or so racially-motivated murders in this area. I don't believe their crimes ever received national coverage.

A TPD detective that worked on the cases wrote a book about them.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2008/04/07/True-story-of-killings-written-by-detective.html

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 06, 2011 at 09:22:11 pm     #  

Can't we all just get along?

http://youtu.be/1sONfxPCTU0

posted by hunkytownsausage on Aug 06, 2011 at 11:02:47 pm     #   1 person liked this

Skin color is no predestination towards crime.

But growing up in a culture where nothing real is of value, personal responsibility is askew, the worship of monetary luxuries as personal achievement, and family is nothing has proven to lead down this road.

Facts are facts, see our inner cities as living proof. But don't forget about the future world leaders being turned out by the "Jersey Shore" generation of Caucasians where the male's big goal is his bench press and Brittney Spears is the model mother.

posted by dbw8906 on Aug 07, 2011 at 06:40:03 am     #   3 people liked this

"But growing up in a culture where nothing real is of value, personal responsibility is askew, the worship of monetary luxuries as personal achievement, and family is nothing has proven to lead down this road."

Yikes. That is getting kind of old as an excuse anymore. We have an African American president who was raised by a single mother, and later his grandparents. There are white people who don't prize education, and don't behave responsibly and are terrible role models. I think it's more about class, and your ability to move up, not race.

posted by bikerdude on Aug 07, 2011 at 11:57:16 pm     #  

I know we go on tangents but back to the original point about covering the story. Why demonize Drudge or any outlet that covers a story involving incidents where whites are the victims? Why see that as an "agenda" by that news outlet? Had I not seen an article on Drudge concerning white people being pulled out of cars by blacks and the similar attacks in Wisconsin during a 4th of July event I would not have even known about it. In fact, I speak to some members of my family who only read the Blade and they have no idea that these things occur.

As 6th Floor points out we had one of the worst racial killing sprees in the United States occur in Toledo but the news outlets never painted it that way when two black brothers hunted and killed 10 white people in and around Toledo including the brutal torture and rape of a 13 year old white girl. Again, in Toledo!

It has been said but would this Wisconsin story be covered by CNN if groups of whites were rampaging through a neighborhood and beating Blacks down South? What coverage would you expect from CNN or NBS etc if a Tea Party event had any racial implications?

But wait... here is one of CNN's lead stories today:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2011/08/05/griffin.mississippi.hate.crime.cnn?&hpt=hp_c1

Not that I expect consistancy in the media but thank God for the outlets that show us "other" stories. When the history of our time is taught, I hope that there is reasonable emphasis placed on the whole story and accuracy of the events as they were really occuring.

posted by Danneskjold on Aug 08, 2011 at 12:37:08 am     #  

Really, Danneskjold? You want to compare random fisticuffs perpetrated by a mob that caused relatively minor injuries with the premeditated murder of a man who was killed by being beaten and run over by teens whose sole intent was to kill an African American? Ypu are much smarter than that - did you even read the horrific story you posted, or are you so irritated about the idea of hate crimes that you just grabbed the first story you saw?

No way is this an apples-to-apples comparison: try again.

posted by historymike on Aug 08, 2011 at 07:00:15 am     #  

I agree the Wisconsin story isn't comparable, but the point is cnn reports this story as a hate crime...just as it should be reported. There wouldn't need to be any further discussion about this if they equally reported hate crimes committed by blacks against whites.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2011 at 07:17:38 am     #  

Bikerdude my whole point was that circumstance not skin color is the role. Our President was successful because he had a family who cared for him and pushed him to excel. "hood culture" carries none of these traits.

posted by dbw8906 on Aug 08, 2011 at 07:24:14 am     #   1 person liked this

What we have here is a collective race victimizing another race.

What a freaking joke. Race baiting at its finest.

Where is the proof of this "racial conspiracy" you speak of Danneskjold? Are there local chapters of this movement we should be alerting the authorities to? Can they communicate via this genetic bond they share to plan the next big hate crime?

Media bias is a separate (and real) issue, but to make such a broad assertion is ignorance of the utmost degree.

posted by brainswell on Aug 08, 2011 at 09:13:13 am     #   3 people liked this

OK: I will agree that "hate crime" statutes are kind of pointless in a murder case: tacking on two years to someone facing a life sentence or the death penalty is silly. Also, "hate crime" legislation does have unanticipated effects on hardening attitudes among members of majority ethnic groups, as the legislation can be dragged out in court for cases with only the remotest connection to race.

Is CNN making too much of a case where afterward the killer bragged about "running down that ni**er" and where witnesses have testified that the sole purpose for the teens' excursion was to find a black person to attack? This to me seems a clear cut case of race-based violence with a deadly outcome to the unfortunate victim, whose "crime" was simply standing in a motel parking lot near the freeway when these idiots showed up with blood lust.

posted by historymike on Aug 08, 2011 at 09:19:13 am     #   1 person liked this

I don't think cnn is making too much of the Jackson, MS story, it's a horrible crime. What I'm accusing them of is not making a big enough deal of other cases with reversed roles.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2011 at 10:53:32 am     #   2 people liked this

History Mike - I would agree an apples to apples comparison would not be relevant in the case of the Wisconsin Fair and the Mississippi murder but...

The Cook brothers in Toledo (black) killed ten White people. They brutally raped and tortured a thirteen year old girl and left her body in an abandoned theatre. I could go into details about this crime but will not - It was as disgusting as what you read occured in Mississippi. Yet, Hollywood makes a movie called "A Time to Kill" (based on a John Grisham novel) where white racist Southerners do essentially the same crime to a young black girl.

What happened in Toledo is a true story. I respect your opinions in a lot of matters History Mike and a big part of why I actually participate on Toledo Talk is for expansion of my on knowledge. In all honesty... think of the two movies mentioned "A Time to Kill" and the Mississippi Hate Crime movie noted - Both of them portray Blacks as the victim. Do you in all honestly see a movie being made about the rape and murder of an innocent young White girl by two Black men in Toledo? My sense is - Never!

As I scratch my conscious in these matters I wonder at the wisdom of portraying a minority so often as the victim and the majority so often as the aggressor when that does not nearly describe the story. That seems to be almost like some form of censorship for reasons I can't understand. Just as other cultures are allowed dignity and pride in their ethnicity I also have pride in my ethnicity.

posted by Danneskjold on Aug 08, 2011 at 11:28:49 am     #  

Danneskold - You're going back almost 30 years to prove what point? What point was that again?

How about his lovely fellow...a Christian Arab who liked to stab blacks...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/12/report-police-detain-man-connection-mich-serial-stabbings/

posted by SensorG on Aug 08, 2011 at 12:53:57 pm     #  

I remember the crimes of the Cook brothers when they were being committed, and I knew one of the detectives working on the case. The friends and family of that detective were advised not to go anywhere alone, but to travel in groups of three to five, more being better. Secondly, if anyone tried to force their way into your car, smoke 'em right now and call the police and the detective later. The police were very earnest about the seriousness of the crimes and catching the Cook brothers. The Cook brothers were (are?) serial killers, not rioters. Still and all, I think media coverage was scarce at the time, right up until the brothers were caught.

What we know about the Wisconsin State Fair riot is that seven police were injured, two of which required hospitalization for head injuries. HIPAA being what it is, the general public will never learn the extent of civilian injuries or casualties, nor will we likely get anything close to an accurate figure for property damage. All that said, I believe the crimes were racially motivated and that commercial media refuses to give these crimes publicity for PC reasons.

posted by madjack on Aug 08, 2011 at 12:58:20 pm     #  

And for those that know the details of the Cook case, the vitims' familes, and/or police and legal people involved, know those crimes were racially motivated. Two very disgusting individuals that deserve to burn in hell just like the scum in the recent Mississippi murder.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2011 at 01:17:08 pm     #  

Sensor G, we don't have to go back 30 years, but since the Cook brothers murdered people here, and many of us know people involved with the case, we vividly remember it.

Nobody has to go back 30 years to see how coverage of these hate crime type murders are handled. When the victims are white and the murderers are black, they receive less coverage, if any, away from local venues.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2011 at 01:22:49 pm     #  

Madjack, I was only a kid 30 years ago and I remember the Cook brothers so it must have been enough coverage to make me aware. Also reading a synopsis of the brothers, it doesn’t look like the extent of their spree (9-12 dead + multiple rapes) were known till the late 90’s.

Here is a good run down…

http://www.outskirtspress.com/frankstiles/

For the next two years Anthony and Nathaniel Cook went on a rape and killing spree, killing nine young people, while being suspected of murdering at least three others.

They terrorized the city of Toledo and Lucas County, Ohio until Anthony was arrested by Sgt. Frank Stiles in 1981 for the murder of a businessman, the attempted murder and attempted rape of the man's daughter, and the robbery and attempted murder of the daughter's boyfriend.

The other murders and rapes were not solved and Nathaniel Cook was not arrested until 1998 when DNA technology was able to identify both brothers as serial killers. The brothers confessed to nine of the murders and pleaded guilty in April of 2000. They are in prison, Anthony for life and Nathaniel for 20 years.

posted by SensorG on Aug 08, 2011 at 01:33:55 pm     #  

The news tried to make the stabbing hate crime spree a larger story, until they found out he wasn't exactly white according to the usual American definition.

Of course, it is a horrible crime that should get wide coverage. However, just watching the cnn video a couple times it's easy to pick apart their emphasis. They never show the Mississippi state flag unless it's couple with a negative story. Of course it's shown in the video a couple times. They talk about the kid being blonde, blue eyes, and show another close-up of him at the end. It's as if they are trying to portray this guy is a Adolph Hitler dream model child or something.

The Duke rape case was the one that really put the bias in the spotlight. Fortunately, they looked like complete idiots when the truth was discovered. How many white women are raped every single day by black men in the US?

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2011 at 01:41:49 pm     #  

Does anyone remember the Texas case of the white guys dragging the black man to death behind their truck? Of course you do, the whole world was told about it. Even years after the crime the story still gets told.

Here's another Texas murder story that wasn't told to the entire world. And we didn't need to search 30 years back to find it.

http://pysih.com/2008/01/07/christopher-lee-mccuin/

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2011 at 01:43:48 pm     #   2 people liked this

6th floor...I'm guessing your elevator isn’t going to the top floor. What does the link you post have to do with anything? The guy is insane, a quick Google search of the guy's name shows that pretty much every news organization covered the story. What’s your point here? I’m guessing it got as much coverage of the guy who killed 7 in Akron this weekend. Also a domestic non-race related murder.

posted by SensorG on Aug 08, 2011 at 02:12:24 pm     #   1 person liked this

I’m guessing it got as much coverage of the guy who killed 7 in Akron this weekend.

^^^^^^^

LOL. Sure it did.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2011 at 02:20:37 pm     #  

6th Floor, now you're just posting completely off topic stories about any crime that happens to be black on white? And you wonder why people think you’re a race baiter.

posted by SensorG on Aug 08, 2011 at 02:57:03 pm     #   1 person liked this

And you are reaching big time saying these other murders got equal coverage as yesterday's Ohio murders, which was given national coverage the SAME DAY they occurred.

What we happen to think about each other doesn't at all matter. I personally think you choose to ignore the bias.

posted by 6th_Floor on Aug 08, 2011 at 03:08:59 pm     #  

Insightful (lengthy) commentary by Walter Russell Mead today:

American Tinderbox

Traditional liberals...argue for spending more money on the traditional social intervention programs in the inner city. This is unlikely to happen; there is not much evidence that these programs accomplish very much — and there isn’t any money. Even taxing “millionaires and billionaires” to the eyeballs won’t manage out of control entitlements — much less inaugurate yet another “Marshall Plan for the cities”.

Whites as well as Blacks have lost faith in the government and the intellectual and cultural elites. Some whites resent what they see as excessive privilege for Blacks reflected in affirmative action. Many believe that the federal government and the (largely white) upper middle class establishment wants to marginalize the traditional white majority in the US through a combination of deliberate immigration policy aimed at reducing white preponderance in the population and by favoring immigrants and non-whites for education and employment.

For people who feel this way, the reluctance of the mainstream media to cover racial flash mobs is sinister and disturbing. If there were no racial dimension to these mobs they would surely receive much greater publicity and there would be much stroking of chins and learned talk about what the phenomenon meant. Even if there weren’t many examples, our naturally sensationalist media would hype the story to make it big. Youth, violence, Facebook and YouTube: this is an explosive combination and it is exactly the kind of story circulation chasing news outlets would feature.

Given America’s history and the lurid attraction race still holds for the public mind, the racial dimension of (many but not all of) these incidents makes this an even more compelling story. Certainly if random mobs of white kids were attacking peaceful Blacks going about their daily business the media and the commentariat would be deeply engaged. The articles I’ve linked to have been carefully couched and worded in ways that downplay the drama and the human interest. It is understandable and even meritorious that this is so; as I suggested at the beginning of this post no sane person would want to increase the chance that what is still a marginal and occasional pattern of behavior would go viral and enter the mainstream — and to vary the metaphor still further, mainstream media attention is like oxygen for this kind of potential firestorm.

But to a significant number of Americans out there, this restraint looks like just another case of an anti-white elitist media bending over backward to hide the real truth from the American people. Should this phenomenon grow and should the media continue to downplay both the extent and the racial nature of the violence, look for a deep and angry response. Many American whites are young, angry, poorly educated and male. So are many Spanish speaking immigrants. These guys also know how to organize a mob on Facebook.

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If you can devote some time, it's worth a read...

posted by oldhometown on Aug 08, 2011 at 04:43:14 pm     #  

"As the teens were partying and drinking miles away from Jackson that night, in largely white Rankin County, Dedmon told friends they should leave, saying "let's go fuck with some niggers," according to law enforcement officials."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/06/mississippi.hate.crime/index.html

posted by toledolen_ on Aug 08, 2011 at 07:17:16 pm     #  

posted by toledolen_ on Aug 08, 2011 at 07:20:22 pm     #  

Oh -- I just saw this was posted above. Apologies!

posted by toledolen_ on Aug 08, 2011 at 07:21:56 pm     #  

i came to post that same story. crazy, and tragic. :(

posted by upso on Aug 08, 2011 at 09:08:34 pm     #  

Glad somebody can speak the truth

“If you walk into somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied, and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you? They don’t hire you ‘cause you look like you’re crazy,” the mayor said. “You have damaged your own race.” - Could be the best thing I've heard from a Pol in decades.

posted by dbw8906 on Aug 09, 2011 at 12:00:36 pm     #  

Good post DBW. Finally! Problems do not go away when you try to sugarcoat them. There are some very specific tragic things going on right now and it is terrible not to address them due to voter concerns or political correctness.

Not that Obama does not have enough on his plate right now but come on... with all this crap going on in Illinois, Philadelphia, Wisconsin... you can't have a serious heart to heart discussion aimed at black youth without using a teleprompter? ... and let's not forget the initial point of this post - if we tune into CNN, NBC and the like... this stuff isn't even happening. Well - It is when you are a victim of merchant in these cities or considering a convention there or moving there.

posted by Danneskjold on Aug 09, 2011 at 12:15:57 pm     #  

Just commenting on what the news puts on TV. Has anyone heard about Iraq, Afganistan, or that gas remains just under $4 a gallon?

posted by hockeyfan on Aug 09, 2011 at 04:02:12 pm     #  

Interesting quote (complete--DBW only had the last portion):

Take those God-darn hoodies down, especially in the summer,” Mr. Nutter, the city’s third black mayor, said in an angry lecture aimed at black teens. “Pull your pants up and buy a belt ‘cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt.”

“If you walk into somebody’s office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back, and your shoes untied, and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arms and on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won’t hire you? They don’t hire you ‘cause you look like you’re crazy,” the mayor said. “You have damaged your own race.”

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Sorry--if ol' Carty Finkbeiner or any Caucasian mayor or elected official says these words, they would be forced to resign from office...no matter how truthful this statement is. Can anybody really deny that? Hell--it was a big incident when he called a kid 'Fatso'.

And who could forget Bill Cosby being raked over the coals by apologists for bad behavior when he made his feelings known.

In any event, these "flash mobs"...white/black/mixed/whatever are downright scary. From Philly:

In one episode, teens knocked down passers-by on a Center City street and entered an upscale department store where they assaulted shoppers. On another occasion, hundreds of teens gathered in a restaurant district and menaced patrons, forcing some restaurant owners to lock customers inside temporarily for their own protection or to close early.

In the latest event July 29, about 20 to 30 youths descended on Center City after dark, then punched, beat and robbed bystanders. One man was kicked so savagely that he was hospitalized with a fractured skull. Police arrested four people, including an 11-year-old.

posted by oldhometown on Aug 09, 2011 at 04:30:27 pm     #  

Here is timely is an article about the London Riots. Seems to me the phenomenon we are discussing in this thread is not limited to the USA.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/katharinebirbalsingh/100099830/these-riots-were-about-race-why-ignore-the-fact/

posted by Danneskjold on Aug 09, 2011 at 08:03:45 pm     #  

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/chicago/man-charged-killing-14-old-girl-indian-head-143003146.html?bouchon=602,il

This piece of shit is 38 years old and has 3 prior convictions, including one for armed robbery.

posted by 6th_Floor on Nov 08, 2011 at 09:27:01 pm     #  

Bump with this one for Danneskjgold and others to read. Truly disgusting. I wish that, one of these victims pulls a gun and kills the entire group of attackers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089260/Vietnam-veteran-beaten-pulp-gang-teen-thugs.html

posted by 6th_Floor on Jan 22, 2012 at 02:11:11 pm     #  

Bump for the Sandusky murders committed by a repeat offender.

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 12, 2012 at 02:53:37 pm     #  

The murder on Ontario Street last week also belongs in the black killer, white victim category.

http://www.northwestohio.com/news/story.aspx?id=798794#.UFDcVa6Q3s0

Victim photo and info.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/toledoblade/obituary.aspx?pid=159845148#fbLoggedOut

posted by 6th_Floor on Sep 12, 2012 at 03:05:14 pm     #  

6th - There is a big difference between a "race crime" and a crime committed by a member of one race against another.

I have seen nothing that indicates race was a motivation for the crime in either of the crimes you refer to. If you have seen otherwise, please post it.

posted by brainswell on Sep 12, 2012 at 03:19:03 pm     #  

Funny, I was just talking about these attacks (the fair) to my family and they had never heard anything about this because the news hardly covered it at all....makes me sick and annoyed

posted by stooks on Sep 12, 2012 at 03:22:55 pm     #  

...they had never heard anything about this because the news hardly covered it at all...

Well, you could always talk about the weather. That's apparently popular around here....

posted by oldhometown on Sep 12, 2012 at 03:27:17 pm     #  

The reason it is not covered is the drive-by media doesn't want to have other people figure out: "see, they're just as dangerous as we thought".

posted by Wulf on Sep 12, 2012 at 03:42:10 pm     #  

LOL So many weather people but so many wrong forecasts lol

posted by stooks on Sep 12, 2012 at 03:59:09 pm     #  

Bring out your trolls! Bring out your trolls!

posted by SensorG on Sep 12, 2012 at 04:00:41 pm     #   4 people liked this

Oh come on channel 11 is certified most arrogant weather forecast.

posted by Linecrosser on Oct 25, 2012 at 01:14:10 am     #  

posted by Ace_Face on Oct 25, 2012 at 10:30:52 am     #   3 people liked this

:: looks at posters in this thread
:: looks at them over in the Politics section

:: matches comments in this thread to political leanings in Politics section

:: conclusion: Teabaggers everywhere! And the President is a ni-*BONG!*

posted by anonymouscoward on Oct 25, 2012 at 10:22:46 pm     #   1 person liked this

http://www.heraldstandard.com/united_states_ap/police-arrest-teens-in-ga-baby-killing/article_7f139e3a-5f00-527b-96c2-98b93ee8da3a.html

This disgusting murder deserves national attention.

Yeah, In case any of you are wondering...yes until I see contrary evidence, I'm assuming "De'Markquis Elkins" is black.

posted by 6th_Floor on Mar 22, 2013 at 05:39:42 pm     #  

it's getting national attention. it's the main story on cnn.com at the moment http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed/index.html

posted by upso on Mar 22, 2013 at 06:16:57 pm     #  

How did we go from weather to baby killer?

posted by Linecrosser on Mar 22, 2013 at 06:27:34 pm     #  

Oops wrong thread.

posted by Linecrosser on Mar 22, 2013 at 06:27:55 pm     #   1 person liked this

6th Floor, Well considering the link you provided shows a mugshot of a black guy, odor identified as Mr. Elkins, I'd say you are correct.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Mar 22, 2013 at 09:20:30 pm     #  

If my name was De'Marquis, I would go by "Marky Mark."
Anywhoo...

This alleged thug, (and suspected black guy) allegedly walks up to a baby stroller and shoots a 1 year old baby in the face and kills it.
Is this a "race" crime or a "criminally evil and twisted, sociopathic" crime?

posted by justread on Mar 23, 2013 at 06:27:18 am     #   5 people liked this

If the President had a son he could look like this guy.

posted by fred on Mar 23, 2013 at 08:31:29 am     #  

fred posted at 08:31:29 AM on Mar 23, 2013:

If the President had a son he could look like this guy.

and if that doesn't get the fertilizer into the fan blades, nothing will.

Good job, Fred.

posted by madjack on Mar 23, 2013 at 10:40:10 am     #  

From JustRead: Is this a "race" crime or a "criminally evil and twisted, sociopathic" crime?

One does not preclude the other.

De'Marquise Elkins is under arrest and accused of murder one, but has yet to be tried and found guilty. We'll see what happens.

This is about the worst kind of killing I can imagine. Most people can't bring themselves to actually kill anyone at close range, even in self-defense. Someone who could commit this crime and just walk away from it is a real danger to society and ought to be incarcerated for life - the death penalty being a little too easy for them.

posted by madjack on Mar 23, 2013 at 10:47:43 am     #   1 person liked this

Someone who could commit this crime and just walk away from it is a real danger to society and ought to be incarcerated for life - the death penalty being a little too easy for them
Yeah. It is shocking. The easy ability to dehumanize and execute a little baby in front of the mother (or otherwise) is beyond comprehension.

posted by justread on Mar 23, 2013 at 10:57:50 am     #  

Public Service Announcement

In my humble opinion this appears to have been a robbery gone horribly wrong. By this I mean that the mother did not know what to do when confronted with an armed robber while being unarmed.

I am not blaming the mother of the murdered infant here, as the dead child is the sole fault of the jackass who killed the baby. Most people, though, are woefully unprepared for such a scenario. Some years ago I attended a security seminar in which a presenter had very sound advice. I will paraphrase:

1. Robbers want money.
2. You want to leave unharmed.
3. Both goals can be achieved.
4. When you are unarmed and the robber is armed, do not resist.
5. Throw your wallet or purse on the ground toward and slightly behind the robber, and run in the opposite direction while making as much noise as possible.
6. The robber will inevitably first turn to pick up the wallet/purse, giving you a few extra seconds, and the noise will activate the robber's lizard brain into wanting to get the f**k out of there.

If you want to limit your losses, carry a dummy wallet with a few bucks in it plus some fake credit cards (like those ones that come with a new wallet or in the mail with credit card solicitations). But again: do not resist - this is what gets people killed.

Now, if you are a firearm-packing individual, you still need to figure out how you are going to draw without getting shot. The above wallet-throwing technique will also serve as a useful distraction while you pull out the weapon and get ready to say: "Being as how this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?" Of course, while you are repeating Harry Callahan lines, the robber will have time to turn around and fire, so maybe skip the Dirty Harry impression and just blast away.

Either way, getting killed over a wallet is flat-out stupid, so live your life with a back-up plan and preparedness for when things go south.

End Public Service Announcement

posted by historymike on Mar 23, 2013 at 12:00:12 pm     #  

From today's Blade

A Toledo teen who assaulted and robbed a University of Toledo student-athlete pleaded no contest Friday to aggravated robbery in Lucas County Common Pleas Court.

Rodney Price, 18, of 1919 Cone St., was found guilty by Judge Stacy Cook, who scheduled sentencing for March 28. As part of a plea agreement, Price is to receive an eight-year prison sentence.

Price, who was 17 at the time of the incident, was certified to stand trial as an adult for the incident, which occurred Aug. 15 on Roosevelt Circle near the UT campus.

Mark Herr, an assistant Lucas County prosecutor, said UT student Kristal Studer, 22, was walking to her home just before midnight when Price approached her, demanded money, and struck her on the back of the head.

Mr. Herr said the victim threw her purse under a vehicle and ran. Price was seen trying to reach under the car presumably to retrieve the purse when police arrived and he left in another car with his sister, Tierrica Price, who fled from police.

Also Friday, Tierrica Price, 20, of the same address was placed on community control for three years by Judge Cook.

She pleaded guilty last month to failure to comply with the order or signal of a police officer in the same incident.

Judge Cook ordered her to spend six months in the county’s work release program as part of her sentence.

Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/2013/03/23/Teen-gets-8-years-for-student-s-assault-robbery.html#uik5cauUF7pVa7of.99

posted by holland on Mar 23, 2013 at 12:26:32 pm     #   1 person liked this

HM-the-Coward said:

1. Robbers want money.
2. You want to leave unharmed.
3. Both goals can be achieved.
4. When you are unarmed and the robber is armed, do not resist.

Lot of face meeting palm on this one. Got some news for you, HM: Pre-911 Liberal America is fucking DEAD. Your pathetic attempt to bring it back, won't work. We're going to resist, now. Resistance is the moral imperative.

I don't want to leave, harmed or not, BTW. I'll take the thug down with me. We'll take the thugs down one at a time. We outnumber the thugs and that seems like a good trade, one good man dead for every thug. Cowards are cordially invited to die yet another one of their thousand lifetime deaths. Those with moral fortitude instead, will fight.

Somebody needs to tell mothers that they have the right to keep and bear arms. I'm sure you won't, coward. Hell, you want the thug class to run rampant in some sort of perverse hatred of your own skin color for centuries of "oppression". Admit it!

posted by GuestZero on Mar 23, 2013 at 12:46:40 pm     #  

Justread said: The easy ability to dehumanize and execute a little baby in front of the mother (or otherwise) is beyond comprehension.

It's hardly beyond comprehension. Human history (which HM and other Liberals need to re-study) is filled with these events. That's why we advanced as Humans and observed the natural right to defend ourselves using lethal force. All self defense makes use of lethal force, since any force used like that on a person takes the nonzero and in fact significant risk of incurring death. You could knock a person off their bike like happened to Robert Brundage, and that resulted in death.

The point here is that we can't sit here like thumb-sucking Liberals and whine that the universe is being mean to us. Humans suck. They are mean. They commit heinous acts. We recognized and adopted the natural rights of man in order to handle this. If only Liberals would get with the program: Armed self defense.

posted by GuestZero on Mar 23, 2013 at 12:51:44 pm     #  

In case folks don't want to bother to read the Blade article, the UT student, when attacked by a robber, threw her purse under a car behind the robber and the lizard brained robber turned and dove for the purse, just like HM-the-Coward- SAID you should do in that situation and just like HM-the-Coward SAID would happen. The UT student got away safely. The police caught the robber and his accomplice. The robber got eight years, his sister the accomplice was also sentenced. Thanks HM-the-Coward for your sound advice. Its good advice that I will remember and hopefully never have to implement.

posted by holland on Mar 23, 2013 at 12:57:37 pm     #   7 people liked this

Maddie said: Someone who could commit this crime and just walk away from it is a real danger to society and ought to be incarcerated for life - the death penalty being a little too easy for them.

I disagree. Our public $40K/yr incarceration cost for that beast, also disagrees. For those who cannot truly defend themselves, like an infant*, we must act in their stead. And lethally, as far as I'm concerned.

Our culture has a strong set of guidelines for heinous acts. Murdering children, rape, torture... all these merit our strongest enforcement actions. I'm all for the death penalty, since it's a relief for us to have a beast removed from society, and in a way that sends the message to the rest. These beasts live for the moment, and they love life that way. Depriving them of their lives is a suitable punishment.

* Note that a fetus has no such rights.

posted by GuestZero on Mar 23, 2013 at 12:58:12 pm     #  

I think the main issue here is law enforcement. There's an old saying "Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps and hornets break through".

posted by flinty on Mar 23, 2013 at 01:01:01 pm     #  

GuestZero:

Fuck you, you pompous ass. You obviously did not read my post, unless you are going to claim that an unarmed person should fight a robber with a gun.

If this is your argument, then you are stupid on top of being pompous.

posted by historymike on Mar 23, 2013 at 01:05:29 pm     #   14 people liked this

GuestZero posted at 12:51:44 PM on Mar 23, 2013:

Justread said: The easy ability to dehumanize and execute a little baby in front of the mother (or otherwise) is beyond comprehension.

It's hardly beyond comprehension. Human history (which HM and other Liberals need to re-study) is filled with these events. That's why we advanced as Humans and observed the natural right to defend ourselves using lethal force. All self defense makes use of lethal force, since any force used like that on a person takes the nonzero and in fact significant risk of incurring death. You could knock a person off their bike like happened to Robert Brundage, and that resulted in death.

The point here is that we can't sit here like thumb-sucking Liberals and whine that the universe is being mean to us. Humans suck. They are mean. They commit heinous acts. We recognized and adopted the natural rights of man in order to handle this. If only Liberals would get with the program: Armed self defense.

Perhaps comprehension was the wrong word. Perhaps I would have been more clear using beyond understanding.

posted by justread on Mar 23, 2013 at 01:11:02 pm     #  

Oh, and GZ? I own a 9 mm handgun and know how to use it, so save your chest-thumping NRA-on-steroids drivel for someone who is actually an anti-gun activist.

posted by historymike on Mar 23, 2013 at 01:46:37 pm     #   6 people liked this

Yeah? Well I own a .45 and was born knowing how to use it.

So there.

From HistoryMike:
1. Robbers want money.
2. You want to leave unharmed.
3. Both goals can be achieved.
4. When you are unarmed and the robber is armed, do not resist.

These days there may be exceptions. While I refuse to argue the obvious (point #1) not all robberies are exclusively about money; some are about harming and humiliating the victim. The second point has an exception as well, in that there are people in this world who go out hoping that someone tries to rob them so that they can cut another notch on their gun butt.

That leaves point #3 as completely valid.

I don't think Sherry West would have been able to save her child from De'Marquise Elkins and his unnamed accomplice, but maybe that's just me. The extreme brutality of the crime suggests that the real motive here was murder.

I disagree with GuestZero on two points:

Things like this murder, the deliberate murder of an infant, are not frequent occurrences. Such things are rare, as evidenced by our annual murder rate - anyone who could kill an infant like this would think nothing of killing someone for a minor insult or a road rage incident, yet we all seem to get along together pretty well. This killer is a real sociopath.

I'm against the death penalty for any number of reasons, not the least being that the justice system is so screwed up that it is now the system of injustice. Don't take my word for this, though - check with Jeff Gamso at Gamso - For the Defense.

The question of carrying out the execution has been botched any number of times. The only certain, tried and true method of execution is the firing squad. No special equipment is required, the firing squad has never failed to kill the intended prisoner and there will be no shortage of able bodied volunteers, many of whom are able to bring their own equipment. Unlike hanging, the gas chamber, the electric chair, the guillotine and slow torture, there is no unnecessary mutilation of the body and there is nothing cruel and certainly not unusual about the firing squad.

I consider life without the possibility of parole to be a more severe punishment than death. It is, literally, a fate worse than death. Go tour a prison if you don't believe me.

The $40,000 per year it takes to incarcerate a prisoner is peanuts. If you really want to cut down on prison expenses, stop jailing people on bullshit charges, such as drugs. This 'war on drugs' that we've been losing since Tricky Dick declared the war was on back in 1971.

posted by madjack on Mar 23, 2013 at 06:22:42 pm     #   2 people liked this

Look at the BP clerk that was killed 4 or 5 years ago. Clerk gave robber $$$ then the clerk made a mistake and turned and was shot in the back of the head. The the robber had the nerve to step over the dead clerks body and steal cigs.

Sure you have a chance with what HM Suggests but you could also get one that will kill you no matter what.

posted by lfrost2125 on Mar 23, 2013 at 07:24:31 pm     #  

There's a feeling among some Americans, in particular those who lean liberal, that blacks (as a group) need to be protected. Maybe that explains why the media are sometimes reluctant to publicize stories that portray blacks in a negative manner.

The Emancipation Proclamation was signed 150 years ago, and it may be time that we have the same expectations for everyone.

posted by Elva on Mar 23, 2013 at 07:36:13 pm     #  

Elva posted at 07:36:13 PM on Mar 23, 2013:

There's a feeling among some Americans, in particular those who lean liberal, that blacks (as a group) need to be protected. Maybe that explains why the media are sometimes reluctant to publicize stories that portray blacks in a negative manner.


The Emancipation Proclamation was signed 150 years ago, and it may be time that we have the same expectations for everyone.

Then there are the majority of liberals who don't believe that at all. Read a book from time to time.

posted by researcher on Mar 23, 2013 at 08:35:40 pm     #   2 people liked this

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posted by Linecrosser on Mar 24, 2013 at 12:06:20 am     #  

iframes are not supported here.

If you want to embed a video from Facebook at Toledo Talk, then do this from the above example:

  • here's the full URL for the video:
  • but copy only this part:
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  • but make sure the facebook= command starts at the beginning of a new line in either a comment or a thread post at Toledo Talk.

posted by jr on Mar 24, 2013 at 12:20:00 am     #  

Wrong : [iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=10152670330945433" width="640" height="352" frameborder="0"]</iframe>

Correct : facebook = video/embed?video_id=10152670330945433

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posted by jr on Mar 24, 2013 at 12:27:50 am     #  

They actually aired that? I cant stop laughing.

posted by holland on Mar 24, 2013 at 01:31:14 am     #  

historymike posted at 01:05:29 PM on Mar 23, 2013:

GuestZero:

Fuck you, you pompous ass. You obviously did not read my post, unless you are going to claim that an unarmed person should fight a robber with a gun.

If this is your argument, then you are stupid on top of being pompous.

HM I value your opinion even though I don't agree with it all the time but your living in Mayberry if you think perps these days just want your wallet. If "snitches get stitches" then what do you think happens to eye witnesses?

Armed/unarmed I'm going down swinging if you place a gun in my face, especially if my family is involved. Nope I'm not Quick Draw McGraw or even the Shakiest Gun in the West (man I love me some Don Knotts) but I will go fighting and clawing into that cold, dark night if need be.

posted by dbw8906 on Mar 26, 2013 at 07:34:41 am     #  

That's why we advanced as Humans and observed the natural right to defend ourselves using lethal force.

I'm all for self-defense. But, perhaps you can explain how this is a 'NATURAL RIGHT' when, to exercise it to the point of lethal force, we generally must employ man-made implements not created by nature?

I know you won't address this challenge, since I have called you out on this repeatedly, along with several other topics which you reliably ignore. But I do try to make a point to call you out whenever you drum up this 'natural rights' horseshit. Being the cowardly troll that you are though, I'll understand if you want to pretend I didn't bring it up. Like you always do.

posted by Sohio on Mar 26, 2013 at 08:15:18 am     #  

Keep in mind, again, that I am discussing situations in which an unarmed person faces a gun-wielding robber. I am not talking about rapists who choose to help themselves to property after committing a sexual assault, or psycopaths whose primary aim is to bring physical pain to another person.

Most street robberies and robberies of commercial etsablishments are primarily financial in nature: the crook wants your shit, and the crook likely wants to feed a drug habit. Keep in mind the robber may be high, or worse: the robber may be craving a drug and could be in an especially foul mood.

I was in the restaurant business for many years. As an owner, my establishments were robbed at least a dozen times in the 1990s. Every robbery was a "success," in my opinion, because none of my employees ever got hurt.

The scenario was the same in almost every case: perp walks in with a gun, points it at the cashier, the cashier empties the drawer, perp runs out with $50-$100.

Now, at the time I would have loved to have been in one of my restaurants armed with a firearm and to have blasted away, and believe me: when I worked alone late at night I stashed weapons and potential weapons in various hiding places. However, the franchisor and the insurance companies were adamant against arming employees with firearms, and really: can I expect that every 16-year-old who ever had register duties would know how to handle a firearm? Even training just the store managers and assistant managers would have been a logistical nightmare.

Besides: the best way to limit return visits by a given perp is to strip the drawers and make the robbery less proftable. If a robber gets $50, chances are high that your establishment will never see the same crook again. If the punk gets, $400, or $1000, you can bet that you just made the A-list of potential robbery targets.

Every single day in a city like Toledo there are robberies, and if memory serves me correctly Toledo has something like 4 robberies per day on average. Most do not make the news, or else they get buried in the Daily Log on the Toledo Blade. The only time the average person hears about robberies on the news is when they go bad and someone gets hurt, or if there is a high-profile robbery. In many cases in which a robbery victim gets hurt (not most, not all) the victim engaged in some form of physical or forceful resistance.

Keep this in mind: if a person is targeted for a robbery, it is because the robber thinks he has an advantage. This may be the element of surprise, it might be physical size, and of course it might be the weapon being carried by the robber. The robber - even the drug-addled robber - has some degree of confidence that the victim will acquiesce.

As far as resistance: studies regularly show that physical resistance escalates the likelihood of injury or death to the victim. Now, if you are a Chuck Norris or Jackie Chan type and know how to use martial arts to your advantage, feel free to go all silat and muay thai on the perp. However, remember that the robber is not likely to be targeting Jackie Chan and Chuck Norris: victims are much more likely to be old people, smaller women, and teenagers than they are to be trained MMA experts.

Look in your wallet: are the contents of your wallet right now REALLY worth an escalation of your risk of injury or death? I have three bucks in mine at the moment, plus an ATM card and my HSA medical card (this can only be used at a hospital, physician's office, or a pharmacy). If some jackass put a gun to my head and I did not have my 9mm handy, my biggest concern is that I would start laughing, as the crook would have picked the wrong target.

If you REALLY want to reduce your risk of robbery, take proactive steps:

  • Never travel alone at night in unfamiliar surroundings.
  • If you must be alone at night, be prepared for the unexpected.
  • Avoid displaying valuables in public.
  • Be aware of your surroundings, including the back seat of your car.
  • Use security lighting in your home and business.
  • Keep windows clear so you can survey the surroundings before going outdoors.
  • Avoid having predictable routines.
  • Do not brag about how wealthy you are or recent financial successes, especially around people you do not know well.
  • Park under lighting at night as close to the building as possible.
  • Walk as confidently and assertively as possible when alone.
  • Make eye contact with everyone who looks suspicious.
  • Develop what I call the "street face": grim, wary, and hardened.

Note: I did not list "buy a handgun" above, as this has little value in preventing a robbery unless you are going to walk around with it in a visible holster, or if you plan on waving it around like a lunatic (this will probably get you arrested, by the way). That being said, this might even make you a target, as potential robbers might want your gun. Will a gun increase the likelihood that you can bag a robber? Sure, if you know what you are doing, but how many gun owners have taken that type of intensive, situation specific training? I suspect only ex-military and police officers really have training in armed hand-to-hand combat, and no: going to the firing range every week only means that you are getting taregt practice in a sterile, controlled environment.

Robbery scenes are anything but "controlled," especially if you encounter someone out of his skull on meth or crack.

Of course, if you are like some TT posters who have a Charles Bronson / Death Wish view of the world, have at it. Just be sure you know what the f**k you are doing, and no: watching a bunch of movies does not constitute self-defense training.

posted by historymike on Mar 27, 2013 at 09:38:38 am     #   1 person liked this

Returning to the primary thread theme...

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/Jury-Selected-in-Missing-Body-Case.html

posted by 6th_Floor on Mar 28, 2013 at 10:23:48 pm     #  

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2013/05/18/Man-killed-in-Waterville.html

Authorities, he said, are searching for three suspects, described as black men who were dressed in black and wearing masks.

posted by 6th_Floor on May 18, 2013 at 04:37:59 pm     #  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YWBub9f2XP8

posted by Linecrosser on May 19, 2013 at 08:36:15 am     #  

6th_Floor posted at 04:37:59 PM on May 18, 2013:

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2013/05/18/Man-killed-in-Waterville.html

Authorities, he said, are searching for three suspects, described as black men who were dressed in black and wearing masks.

The victim was the most honest looking man that I have ever seen.

posted by justread on May 19, 2013 at 12:15:55 pm     #  

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posted by Linecrosser on May 19, 2013 at 05:05:43 pm     #  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yeKSkb1bEqc

posted by Linecrosser on May 19, 2013 at 05:06:00 pm     #   1 person liked this

From HistoryMike:

Park under lighting at night as close to the building as possible.

So that the bad guys can see you when you -

Walk as confidently and assertively as possible when alone.

Practice your 'cop walk' or 'deputy strut' to and from your car.

Make eye contact with everyone who looks suspicious.

Otherwise known as a 'fuck you' look.

Develop what I call the "street face": grim, wary, and hardened.

Try thinking about the last time your boss treated you like a doormat and you had to take it because you need your crummy, dead-end $12.50 and hour with lousy benefits job. For girls, think about the time your S.O. cheated on you and lied about it, and then you caught the lying, cheating SOB playing hide the salami with your BFF.
Do this with one hand in your coat pocket, holding your gat.

posted by madjack on May 20, 2013 at 03:08:06 pm     #  

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