Children in Bars

out of curiosity, what specifically bugs you about it?

What bugs me about this is: I know that these are the kids who will break into my car in 10 years.

TAHL, the link you used points to the Facebook page instead of the photo.

Embedding TAHL's photo here:

I can't speak for the pic, for some reason it’s not coming through for me. That said, my kids are fine in bars (Docs, Frickers, Dales, Side Lines) not that they are in them much past 7pm.

As long as the kids were well behaved and digging the music, Rusty's Jazz Cafe used to allow them to be there, and I never really had a problem with it.

Yeah Big'z does a great job for UFC events and I tear up their wings!!!

I've went there a few times with my kids, but never for the UFC fights. Thats just insane. The times I did take any kid(s), was in the daytime and there were a few other tables with kids at them, with the parents/family.

I have 4 kids, however, any time my woman and I have went with a kid... it was just with the one child

Its not Chuckie Cheese, but at times you might be fooled (not as many fights at CC, Big'z still has them beat in that category)

Off topic but Tom Sullivan, eh? Don't you feel weird about leaving your Facebook wall open to the public?

I think this is fine-let your kids be around beer, wine and whiskey, just be sure nobody lights a cigarette. Many hard core drunks actually make excellent role models-as long as they don't pick up a discarded cigar butt. Lots of historical, first rate bars, like the old Twilight Zone, Monroe Bar or The Cold Spot got bad raps in the past. Today, they would get excellent write-ups in the entertainment section. Maybe if enough concerned, enlightened parents run out of bars to take the kiddies to, we'll see a rebirth of the establishments-in the 10th and Monroe St. area. If we're really lucky, the Jefferson Avenue Circus will return and someday rival the Old West End Festival! Think about it, what better way to teach your kids how to drink responsibly, hold their liquor, gamble and even overcome adolescent shyness-with one of the "hostesses" that hang around bars?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPjxJKvMdZg

I wonder if Mom knows Dad is taking the kids down to the bar in the stroller...

Interestingly enough, Chuck E Cheese serves beer.

TAL: despite other comments I know how you feel. While I am for peoples right to do as they wish, I completely feel how you feel especially during the German American Festival.

It's cool to have "family time" but when it's 11pm during GAF, it's pretty much assured to be a drunk fest. I personally don't appreciate fighting crows of people, let alone looking down and seeing someone's angel in a cart trying to wheel their way through the crowd.

Guess in the end, I respect everyone's decision. But for me, if I were a parent I would also respect the "event" and realize, it's just not family time.

In the line of speaking, a bar or equivalent adult time pass time is not "child friendly".

Get a babysitter.

-INeedCoffee

On a sad, side note it was equally sad to be DD'd home from GAF and see several drunken people wheeling their kids in their strollers along the road.

If you are a parent no harm in partying during an event, but please be adult enough to realize the kids are not part of it. Get a sitter, be responsible, and keep them safe.

It's not just the GAF--I see plenty of 3-4-5 year-old kids out past 10PM with Mom & Dad. Movies, Wal-Mart, Kroger...all the time. Last one that really bothered me was seeing the movie "Rango" with my wife at a late show (like 11PM)...and there's a kid crying in the theater, scared shitless of the gigantic snake on screen (and if they had bothered to read the reviews, "Rango"--even though it was a cartoon--was not meant for little children).

Hey, why not. 10PM...11PM...past midnight, whatever. It isn't like the bothersome little assholes need a set schedule or anything to be well-adjusted or emotionally stable. Good call saving that money for a babysitter! Mommy and Daddy's need for a movie, or going out, or having a party takes precedence over you. Get used to it. And here's some Ritalin to shut you up...

I don't have kids (yet), but I'm so thankful I had "old-fashioned" parents that knew when it was appropriate to bring me to places and when it wasn't. And what time to go to bed. And hiring a babysitter when those things didn't mesh.

http://gothamist.com/2010/01/15/park_slope_parents_still_bringing_b.php

http://gothamist.com/2010/07/06/the_gate_joins_park_slope_stroller.php

No. TAHL is not afraid that his true identity is known.

TAHL

reminds me of my wifes favorite movie, Sweet Home Alabama "Look at you, you have a baby... In a bar." "this one still on the tit, so I can cart him anywhere"

Yeah, if you like kids, go to any Waffle House south of the Mason-Dixon line after 11 p.m. LOTS of little ones out with their parents, hyped up, drinking colas.

if your wifes favorite movie is "sweet home alabama" the last thing you need to be worrying about is kids, period. yikies!;)p

Hey, you gotta get the cycle of alcoholism started as soon as possible so wheel those kids into the bars. Show kids that adults can't possibly have fun unless they are under the influence of a drug. Alcohol is legal and even celebrated in society. Let freedom ring and fill the glasses, er...... the bottles.

I thought "sweet home alabama" was a song. No idea it was a movie too...

Ok... that trailer alone was effing awful. Sorry, Paul333.

It's 9:20 pm At jeds downtown and little kids are running around.

One evening at Sidelines (Laskey Rd) about 10:30 pm I was walking out of the bathroom as a frantic lady was rushing in looking for her 7 yr old. She found the girl (not in bathroom) and returned to her table and continued sipping her beer. That was the last time I was there...about 3 months ago.

It's 9:20 pm At jeds downtown and little kids are running around.

Maybe we need more than a "teen club" in the warehouse district...maybe there needs to be a friggin' Gymboree open late night downtown.

Free business idea for the taking...I'm not interested. Go for it!

Not sure what the big deal is here. I agree with mom2. Big'z is a restaurant that has a bar- like Frickers. They also have a kids menu. I've been to Big'z before- isn't that their take-out station? Maybe they're just taking food home or something.

I was at my lake place in Indiana this weekend and this subject came up. I was told the law in Indiana states no one under 21 in the bar/restaurant. This may only be after a certain time (7PM?), not sure exactly. I would think this does not apply to what is considered a traditional restaurant setting, like Applebees or similar.

Found some additional information. Still not sure how you define tavern or how many other states have something similar. Never heard of this before since I be Toledo born and raised.

IC 7.1-5-7-9
Parent taking child into tavern prohibited
Sec. 9. (a) It is a Class C infraction for a parent, guardian, trustee, or other person having custody of a child under eighteen (18) years of age to take that child into a tavern, bar, or other public place where alcoholic beverages are sold, bartered, exchanged, given away, provided, or furnished.
(b) It is a Class C infraction for a permittee to permit the parent, guardian, trustee, or other person having custody of the child under

eighteen (18) years of age to be in or around the prohibited place with the child.
(Formerly: Acts 1973, P.L.55, SEC.1.) As amended by Acts 1982, P.L.69, SEC.17; P.L.102-1983, SEC.6.

Michigan had a law when I was a kid that minors had to be out of an establishment that served alcohol by 9:30 pm. I don't know if that's the current law or not?

I remember that specfically because we occasionally went to the Friday fish frys at the VFW when I was a kid. They had signs posted citing that law, since the VFW technically had a bar as well. (The Friday evening fish frys were family events - its not like my parents were taking us somewhere inappropriate or anything like that.)

Hoops...it appears that Indiana makes exceptions for extablishments that serve food:

IC 7.1-5-7-11
Exception for certain public places

(b) For the purpose of this subsection, "food" means meals prepared on the licensed premises. It is lawful for a minor to be on licensed premises in a room in which is located a bar over which alcoholic beverages are sold or dispensed by the drink if all the following conditions are met:
(1) The minor is eighteen (18) years of age or older.
(2) The minor is in the company of a parent, guardian, or family member who is twenty-one (21) years of age or older.
(3) The purpose for being on the licensed premises is the consumption of food and not the consumption of alcoholic beverages.

House Speaker John Boehner was 'raised' in a bar.

House Speaker John Boehner was 'raised' in a bar.

(oops...copied and pasted the wrong section, this was the one that applied to people between 18 & 21...let me pull the link back up and get the right section about under 18)

#16 is where the exception for a hotel or restaurant that has a bar is noted:

IC 7.1-5-7-11
Exception for certain public places
Sec. 11. (a) The provisions of sections 9 and 10 of this chapter shall not apply if the public place involved is one (1) of the following:
(1) Civic center.
(2) Convention center.
(3) Sports arena.
(4) Bowling center.
(5) Bona fide club.
(6) Drug store.
(7) Grocery store.
(8) Boat.
(9) Dining car.
(10) Pullman car.
(11) Club car.
(12) Passenger airplane.
(13) Horse racetrack facility holding a recognized meeting permit under IC 4-31-5.
(14) Satellite facility (as defined in IC 4-31-2-20.5).
(15) Catering hall under IC 7.1-3-20-24 that is not open to the public.
(16) That part of a hotel or restaurant which is separate from a room in which is located a bar over which alcoholic beverages are sold or dispensed by the drink.
(17) Entertainment complex.
(18) Indoor golf facility.
(19) A recreational facility such as a golf course, bowling center, or similar facility that has the recreational activity and

not the sale of food and beverages as the principal purpose or function of the person's business.
(20) A licensed premises owned or operated by a postsecondary educational institution described in IC 21-17-6-1.
(21) An automobile racetrack.
(22) An indoor theater under IC 7.1-3-20-26.
(b) For the purpose of this subsection, "food" means meals prepared on the licensed premises. It is lawful for a minor to be on licensed premises in a room in which is located a bar over which alcoholic beverages are sold or dispensed by the drink if all the following conditions are met:
(1) The minor is eighteen (18) years of age or older.
(2) The minor is in the company of a parent, guardian, or family member who is twenty-one (21) years of age or older.
(3) The purpose for being on the licensed premises is the consumption of food and not the consumption of alcoholic beverages.
(Formerly: Acts 1973, P.L.55, SEC.1; Acts 1975, P.L.74, SEC.2.) As amended by P.L.100-1983, SEC.7; P.L.15-1994, SEC.10; P.L.105-1995, SEC.6; P.L.71-1996, SEC.5; P.L.72-1996, SEC.22; P.L.117-2000, SEC.1; P.L.72-2004, SEC.16; P.L.224-2005, SEC.33; P.L.2-2007, SEC.133; P.L.10-2010, SEC.10.

if it is bedtime, a kid should be in bed.

people in bars should be acting in a responsible manner - why should that be bad for children to be around?

are you saying you want to act irresponsibly and don't want the kids to see that? lots of people go the bars, restaurants, social events that have alcohol and don't drink at all. i rarely see people drunk when i go to out and i go out a couple times a week to watch hockey or some such thing.

i really fail to see the problem with children there. it teaches them socialization and hopefully allows parents to model good behavior - it also demystifies bars for children. later in life when they go on their own, they won't feel compelled to go overboard... being in a bar will be no big deal. if something is happening that they shouldn't see, maybe it shouldn't be allowed as a public activity anywhere. kids in bars would probably even keep the few irresponsible people in line.

Odd factoid of the day:

It appears that technically in Ohio a minor child accompanied by a parent would be able to drink alcohol in a bar/restaurant.

From the liquor control laws...

4301.69 Underage persons offenses concerning.

(A) Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, no person shall sell beer or intoxicating liquor to an underage person, shall buy beer or intoxicating liquor for an underage person, or shall furnish it to an underage person, unless given by a physician in the regular line of the physician’s practice or given for established religious purposes or unless the underage person is supervised by a parent, spouse who is not an underage person, or legal guardian.

(4) “Minor” means a person under the age of eighteen years.

Eek. I admit that I have no problem taking my kids for dinner at Frickers, Sidelines, Ralphies, etc. But there's no way I'd order them a drink while they were underage. (Yeah, a parent can't always prevent a teen from sneaking a drink, but I'm not about to actively promote it either.)