And now, the rest of the story........

OK back up. The real rest of the story, which is not mentioned in the initial post, is that this is a claim made exclusively by FOX News. Whether you support OWS or not, most of us would agree that FOX News has a history for stretching the truth from time to time.

Anyway, no, I do not believe that ACORN was part of the OWS movement from the beginning and I DO believe that they are (allegedly) stepping in now because it's advantageous.

I also find it shockingly ironic and beyond interesting that cops never arrested the gun-toting, violence-promoting, spelling-disabled confederates at the Tea Party protests yet the non-violent peaceful protestors at OWS rallies are being beaten, tear-gassed and arrested in mass for using the same civil liberties as the Tea Party protestors.

Groups like ACORN? More right wing bogymen... ACORN doesn’t exist anymore, which is too bad.

http://youtu.be/S0B0wxt3XYc

Claims by Fox news are outright dismissed as fiction. Who knows, next maybe BatBoy will be secretly in charge of ACORN? End thread.

ACORN-Nuts, are the dirtiest, smelliest, non-conforming America haters since, OweBaMao !

Plus, they are as violent as the Democrats are.REMEMBER:The Dim event in Chicago in 1968 ?!
WOW !!!
It'll happen again this year at the Dims N Carolina event...bet the farm on it !

The "Dim" event in Chicago in 1968 occurred during the Democratic national convention and most participants were students protesting the war in Vietnam - not convention attendees. LBJ had announced he wasn't seeking re-election, and the student movement seized the moment to drive home the point that they didn't want another hawk in the White House. We wound up with one anyway, although from the other side of the street. Despite the fact that things got out of control, those kids were a large part of the reason for the war's waning popularity at home and the march toward ending it. Don't expect it to happen again. Today's kids are too wrapped up in Facebook with their favorite electronic appendages glued to their faces to give a shit about what's happening in the world.

WalleyWinger and OhioKimono - are you saying that because it is reported only by at this time FOX that it is absolutely not true?

Unless it's a disaster situation or press release coverage of a planned event, MOST news stories start out as exclusives.

Wally that was quite a statement that you made at the end of your post:

"I also find it shockingly ironic and beyond interesting that cops never arrested the gun-toting, violence-promoting, spelling-disabled confederates at the Tea Party protests yet the non-violent peaceful protestors at OWS rallies are being beaten, tear-gassed and arrested in mass for using the same civil liberties as the Tea Party protestors."

Where on earth are you getting YOUR news???

How many tea party protestors camped out illegally, defecated on police cars, tried to talk women in their groups out of reporting sexual attacks, etc. ?????

Occupy Toledo has been very peaceful and I think the people involved are heartfelt about their issue(s). However it doesn't appear that many people in the more organized efforts across the nation have the same sense of decency.

Difference between 1968 and now is that there is no draft, and the reserves are being used in a combat role. I joined the army in 1966 because there were few jobs available for 18 year old boys waiting for the draft. I imagine a lot of kids are joining the military today for the same reason. But volunteering is different than being forced into a uniform. Thank God, the draft is history. Of course, with a volunteer, "gungho" military back then we might still be fighting in Vietnam. Just like the regulars don't want to leave Iraq now, they didn't want to leave Vietnam back then. They didn't want to believe that their friends' lives had been wasted. But were those lives wasted? We came out with a shattered army, and had to rebuild it. We went into Iraq with perhaps the best army we have ever fielded. All volunteer (except for "stop loss" orders), and well-trained.

Where on earth are you getting YOUR news???

From his telepathic connection to the planet Zg, where else?

Anyway, I thought the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) filed Chapter 7 late in 2010, just after a scandal involving ACORN employees, money laundering and other unsavory activities, which was closely followed by the upper echelon writing themselves a final bonus check and dissolving all the State offices, many of which immediately reformed under a different banner.

So ACORN is no more and hasn't been since the end of 2010... somewhat coincidentally ending at about the same time The Anointed One got news of an unexpected vacancy in the double wide on Pennsylvania Avenue.

Moving right along on WalleyeWinger's contribution to our little discussion about U.S. Politics and the Willing Suspension of Disbelief, I can only surmise that the leaders who control law enforcement prefer political demonstrations that support their platform of the moment. Most protests do not - else why would they be called protests? So the protestors must be dispersed before they can cause mischief. Now, the thing is, if the protestors are armed, things could get a bit dicey for the police. For instance, in a recent Gallup poll given to the top 16 police departments in the Toledo area, 99.765% of persons interviewed stated emphatically that they did not want to get shot. By anyone. So armed protestors are most often encouraged to protest peacefully. Unarmed protestors are encouraged to go home, one way or another.

And that, Mr. Whipple, is why.

Shamrock, care to elaborate on which part of my argument is not accurate?

Just last night police in Oakland, California, arrested OWS protestors. Among the casualties included an Iraq War veteran who is now in critical condition with brain swelling and a fractured skull after being shot in the head with a rubber bullet by a police officer. Of course that news is not covered by FOX News, but it certainly doesn't mean it didn't happen.

While of course I made all of this up, but it was such a good story that real media outlets like the New York Times, CNN and the Associated Press, via the Washington Post, also covered it here:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/police-said-to-fire-tear-gas-at-protesters-in-oakland-calif/
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/26/us/occupy-wall-steet/index.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/tense-scene-in-oakland-after-police-protesters-clash-at-site-of-dismantled-occupy-camp/2011/10/26/gIQAyFwLIM_story.html

Speaking of making things up, nice numbers madjack! Based on those completely not made up statistics and your claims, you're saying that only rednecks with guns, not college educated kids and war veterans with facts, should be allowed to protest? That must be what our forefathers had in mind when they wrote the constitution.

No WW he is stating jack booted thugs under the control of the banking system called our government are less likely to try to go Babe Ruth on peaceful armed protesters. It's kinda the reason they put the 2nd Amendment in the Constitution.

Btw your closed minded Huffo/Daily Show world view is quite wrong about only "rednecks" owning guns. Sure most "conservatives" are more vocal about gun but your a fool if you don't think "liberals" are not gun owners also. http://www.project.org/info.php?recordID=270

Also most of the anti-gun members of Congress have CCW permits or a staff of people around them loaded up.

I think this says a lot about Fox News versus other News outlets, but people really need to quit taking stuff at face value and dig for themselves.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/actual-news-headlines-vs-fox-news-headlines
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/more-fox-news-headlines-vs-actual-news-headlines

Classic thread drift!!!

Did you read the article mentioned?

Many of the same people involved in the hierarchy of ACORN are supposedly involved in the OWS or are trying to weasel their wany into an influential position with the movement.

ACORN, the organization, is officially gone. But do you really think that the people pulling the strings and who were running just disappeared and vanished into thin air?

The article points to individuals from ACORN resurfacing with OWS.

If true (and I won't judge that for myself until I have more information) I feel sorry for those individuals who truly believe in the OWS that are being duped and used.

If not true, then the report should also be exposed as a lie.

Above all though I think an open mind needs to kept about the whole situation.

Nicely stated shamrock44 - I was following the thread and had the same feelings.

I heard that the Occupy Wall Street crowd was bankrolled by George Soros krugerrands, organized with the help of Rev. Wright, and meets in a treehouse behind Van Jones' house. Their ultimate goal? To create a national holiday honoring Karl Marx, mandate that churches have to marry homosexuals of all species (including cross-species matings) and move anyone not supportive of the atheist Muslim communist socialist Kenyan Obama agenda into FEMA concentration camps with former ACORN workers as the guards and Sean Penn as the commandant.

At least that's what I heard.

/sarcasm

Lots of sarcasm ace but you never addressed the question?

There was no mention of hearing this from someone else by a whispering campaign. This connection was aaleged from the discredited ACORN group.

Interesting, and quite frankly boring, tactic of ridiculing rather than giving thoughtful consideration to a news story.

*alleged

Shamrock...Ace's response was dead on for a "news" story from Fox News.

Lots of sarcasm ace but you never addressed the question?

Interesting, and quite frankly boring, tactic of ridiculing rather than giving thoughtful consideration to a news story.

You never provided a link to this "story", therefore nothing to evaluate. And how can my response be interesting and boring at the same time? That doesn't make sense.

Sounds like ACORN is Fox News' Snowball:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm

Very fair criticism - I didn't post the link, sorry about that! Here it is:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/26/exclusive-acorn-playing-behind-scenes-role-in-occupy-movement/

and others:

http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=43412

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053967/Is-ACORN-secretly-running-Occupy-Wall-Street.html

What I find interesting is that the premise is mocked by some of the posters here merely because they don't care for the news outlet?

I thought I had asked legitimate questions in my opening post about what your thoughts were if the report is true.

Rather than actually answer the questions presented as the premise of the thread, several people decided to drift into their attacks on FOX news and just running with preconceived biases.

Maybe it's silly on my part, but it seems sad to think that this is that what now serves as dialogue or discussion?

Or maybe its that FOX runs stories the other outlets wouldn't touch for reasons of bias. If you were to watch NBC exclusively you might never know about fast and furious or Solyndra, Evergreen, and any other of the possible black eye events with this administration. That being said I do think FOX has a bias against this administration, but I have seen some naysayers given time on air to dispute them. Only thing that I feel turns a lot of people off is the talk over each other aspect of most of their commentators.

Linecrosser says -
"If you were to watch NBC exclusively you might never know about fast and furious or Solyndra, Evergreen, and any other of the possible black eye events with this administration"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/?id=11881780&q=Solyndra&p=1&st=2&sm=user

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/?id=11881780&q=fast+and+furious&search=&p=1&st=1&sm=user

You want to watch someone rip Obama on a nightly basis? What Rachel Maddow...

SensorG - what is your take on the my original questions?

OK, now that you have linked the stories, only the first one is an actual "report." The CatholicOnline story is an editorial that references the Fox story and DailyNews article also uses "FoxNews reports that..." Only Fox is reporting the link. However, no sources were named. Meanwhile, NYCC has gone on the record on their website flatly denying the allegations. So unless there are named sources willing to go on the record about the link, I have to take it with a grain salt.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Sigh. Now Fox News is saying OWS is being operated by radical groups including "a Red Army of socialists that has infiltrated the Democratic Party."

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201110260004

Walley, what were you saying when the Tea party was being accused of things?

So when anyone says the right-wing is funded by billionnaires intent on getting richer and buying up the government to look out for their own corporate interests at the cost of the middle class, FAUX NEWS and its followers consider that to be bullshit, but when FAUX NEWS says ACORN and Soros and so on are part of OWS and a pile of pinko commie liberal socialists working to overthrow the government and ban Christianity and Christmas and institute Sharia law and so on it's 100% truth?

WHAT THE FUCK?!

First, the protesters were drugged up hippies. Then, they were anti-Semitic. Then, they were part of the Muslim Brotherhood. Now, the right wing has grasped at its next straw; the Occupy movement is actually being organized by the most vile of community organizations... ACORN.

What is it with the right-wing morons and cognitive dissonance.

They claim something that exists doesn't (Obama's birth certificate).

They claim that something that no longer exists (ACORN) does.

WHAT THE FUCK?!

Sigh. Now Fox News is saying OWS is being operated by radical groups including "a Red Army of socialists that has infiltrated the Democratic Party."

Well, to be clear, it is one of those (seriously crazy) nutjobs from WorldNetDaily is saying it. All FoxNews is doing to giving him a platform to spew to millions of viewers, letting him make unfounded allegations unchallenged and not asking someone who disagrees to be a part of the interview. What's wrong with that?

To paraphrase one Republican President Richard Nixon: Well, when Fox News does it, it's not wrong.

To paraphrase one Democratic President Bill Clinton: I did not have sexual relations with that woman.

Cause all Democrats tell the truth, see John Kerry, Charlie Rangel, and any Kennedy.

BTW Eric Holder didn't know about Fast and Furious except for all the emails he received.

I'm not a Fox News fan but to pretend they are the only ones not operating in the truth makes your arguments childish, why don't Liberals ever call about all the other BS'ers?

nice strawman, dbw.

ac that's pretty funny!

You use the Tea Party and Fox News as strawmen at the drop of a hat to sidestep any point you can't refute with logic made a conservative.

Conservatives don't use logic. If they used logic, we wouldn't have Reaganomics/trickle-down economics or have cut taxes then gotten into two wars under Bush.

ac, do you ever get serious with your posts?

Not a slam, here but an honest question.

Your posts are usually so overly broad and purposely demeaning and inflammatory towards other people.

Do you honestly mean them or are you just trying to goad people?

Yes.

Why else would he call himself a coward.

Obviously people are not familiar with Slashdot anymore.

Slashtroll? Where anyone can spout the most miserable and rancid stuff and not worry about what anybody else thinks?

Slashdot has user and other moderation methods. Your comment is invalid.