South Toledo demographics

Can you be more specific about what area you're referring to? Toledo can be pretty ambiguous with it's geography sometimes (like anything west of the river being "West Toledo", etc)

I second what Johio83 asked? Are you talking about the "old South End" (Broadway, Rte 2, zoo area) or like the "southwyck area" south end or something else?

I grew up in the south end (Glendale/Eastgate) and everyone in my neighborhood moved to the burbs including me.

All brought to you buy HUD government programs that hold nobody accountable. The Fed is the dealer in the slum game, house wins every time.

If I recall correctly, jim30529 is in the Arlington neighborhood area?

Though I don't know if he's specifically referencing his own neighborhood or other parts of South Toledo.

Both... you are right im in the Arlington Area... but it's everywhere it seems in South Toledo... seems to be going downward... or is it just me and my crazy thoughts...

I refuse to move to hte burbs.... !

It's pretty bad when the best business on Reynolds Rd. Is Crazy Prices!

A sign of the times I guess. The combination of people wanting to live in the suburbs on one hand, the Reynolds corridor for I-80/90 not being as popular as it was 30 years ago being another.

I live in south Toledo and like my neighborhood. I guess it depends on where you're at. I will probably move to the suburbs, but only because I want a bigger yard for the dogs.

I think there are a lot of areas that have turned undesirable over the years. The area I grew up in does not resemble its past. Too many rental properties, no one takes pride in their yard, keeps up the exterior, etc. Need to get my mother to sell and move to the burbs like me, but she will not budge.

"I was just exposed to it yet again. Why don't people care? What is causing the inner city people to move outward?"

Jimmy, darling, what was most amusing was your careful avoidance of racial terminology. It's kind of cute. But it's okay to say "black people."

HAHA... Thanks Charlotte

I remember when South Toledo WAS the suburbs.

I have to say I lived in the old south end my entire life up untill last year. I personally attribute it to people getting older and thier children not caring for family homes, an enormous amount of renters, and people migrating from other less favorable parts of the city.

Need to get my mother to sell and move to the burbs like me, but she will not budge.

If you find the magic words, let me know.

Mom lived with Dad for 33 years in the same place and it's too hard for her to give it and all those memories up...despite her car being broken into a couple times and the random trash that drifts through the neighborhood.

I only moved from living with my grandma when I knew my sister would be living there with her. Now my sister is trying to convince grandma that they should move to a trailer park some where in Swanton.

South Toledo news this morning:

South Toledo Shots Hit Mother, 4-year-old

The mother and son were shot when a robbery victim tried to flee into their home, according to police reports. Christopher Henry, 28, who also lives in the pair's Byrneport apartment, was approached outside the building by three men. Two of them men wore black sweat suits, while a third, taller man wore a gray hooded sweatshirt.

The men asked Mr. Henry if he knew whether another man lived in the apartment; when he said no, they assaulted him and stole $200 from him. Mr. Henry fled the men, according to police reports, and tried to run into the apartment. The man in the gray sweat shirt pulled out a black semiautomatic pistol and shot at him.

A bullet went through the front door, striking Ms. Felder and her son. A witness saw the three robbers flee through a playground, and shortly after saw a dark-colored minivan speed away.

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Hopefully, some arrests come soon.

Question: why were the victims--one a critically wounded child--taken all the way to Toledo Hospital (nearly 6 miles away according to Google) when UTMC is literally right around the corner??

Toledo is possibly better equipted to handle the injuries and they have Toledo children's hospital there

Correct - a child would be taken to one of the children's hospitals, as they are the ones equipped to handle peds emergencies/trauma. Its possible that the mom requested to be taken to the same hospital as the child, I know I would!

Occasionally you might see a peds trauma patient taken to UTMC, but that would normally be just to stablize them for transfer to Toledo or Mercy Children's. If this child was stable enough, it probably made more sense to go directly to Toledo Children's.

People leaving the inner city isn't the problem. What's wrong is that white people panic, pack, and run the first time they see a black face. My neighbors had the good sense not to do that. We're fine.

you're right. I just saw a mob of them there white folk running from Popeye's Chicken because there was one black guy ordering food there.

What's wrong is that white people panic, pack, and run the first time they see a black face.

Wow...do you always paint with that broad a brush?

Thanks for the answer on the earlier question.

The medical personnel on the scene make the calls...so if the kid could make it to a "children's" hospital better equipped to handle the emergency, I guess that's much better.

@shortysmom: which neighborhood do you live in? I ask because there really aren't (as far as I am aware) too many neighborhoods that are ethnically diverse in Toledo.

Toledo is probably the most segregated city I've lived in, ever, attitude-wise. And that's on all sides of the coin.

@shortysmom
when I bought my house near Westwood and South, I was informed by one neighborhood kids that the house was vacated by a family due to the "blacks" moving in across the street. Because of them, I became the second black homeowners on the block. I know these are just anecdotes but the sentiment is real @oldhometown for some people.
I love my neighborhood but I don't do much shopping within the 2 miles radius from my house. The baby strip mall on Airport doesn't have any lighting at night despite numerous robberies at the Dollar Store. I noticed that Southland had low evening lighting as well. It is not just that people don't care, business owners are not making it safer either.

It's a real shame

I've lived in west Toledo in the Larchmont School district for 22 years. The neighborhood is racially diverse. We've had a steady increase in minority families over the years, but we haven't experienced a mass exodus of pale faces to the burbs. When an African-American family bought the house across the street from me several years ago, I held my breath waiting for the 'for sale' signs to pop up. Thankfully, it never happened. The neighborhood has slipped a bit in appearance, but I attribute that to older people who used to dominate the street dying off and their houses being sold to younger people who just don't seem to take pride in their homes the way the older folks did.

toledolen, your observation is, sadly, correct.

The area bounded by Heatherdowns, Byrne, Hill, and Reynolds used to be THE PLACE for living and shopping in the 1970s. Seems like I noticed how sad, run-down, and scary looking it has become over the past decade or so. Brings a tea to my eye.

I think we are ignoring the fact that all of these neighborhoods were once suburbs themselves in the 1950's-1970's, and more importantly that they were build in an unsustainable fashion. I don't mean environmentally, not at all; I mean economically and socially.

Suburbs are the problem here, not the migration. You cannot simply move outward and away from the crime, it will slowly creep outward and be where you are in 20 years.

We need to, and I know it's cliche but it's the truth, fix the downtown and the first ring neighborhoods and only then will you start to stop neighborhood demise. Too many slumlords and not enough reinvestment into older neighborhoods. If I'm Toledo I fine the hell out of the slumlords for anything as simple as a broken window. I seriously don't most of those homes are up to the code.

The area bounded by Heatherdowns, Byrne, Hill, and Reynolds used to be THE PLACE for living and shopping in the 1970s. Seems like I noticed how sad, run-down, and scary looking it has become over the past decade or so. Brings a tea to my eye.

That's overstating it a little bit. Crossgates and the areas around Heatherdowns CC are still pretty good. The Glenbyrne Plaza is definitely looking worse for wear (has anything even been in the old Henry J's space since it closed 20 years ago?) but the bad parts seem to be mostly north of Glendale, especially along Airport Hwy.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2011/11/07/No-suspects-named-in-S-Toledo-shooting.html

A good percentage forclosed homes are being purchased by investors who do minimal rehab and then rent them. The slum lord situation stands to get much, much worse in the next few years.

As far as the racial thing goes, a couple of years after we bought our house (early 80's) a black family moved in down the block. They seemed nice, were quiet and kept the property well maintained. I was sickened by the attitude of a good portion of my neighbors. It was extremely hostile. I barely speak to some of them today because of it. The black family moved out about three years later. In that past few years a couple of black families have moved in. Things are much better this time around. I don't think some of the worst hater's attitudes have really changed as much as I believe that they are beginning to understand that their intolerance is now not socially acceptable so they just keep their mouths shut. Its taken thirty one years to make that small advance.

I'm wondering if some of it is as much about class as it is about race?

Ask yourself this question: Two people, one white, one black, with approximately the same education level and similar incomes, want to move in next door. Having no further information, who would the white neighbor choose to live next door to? Who would the black neighbor choose?

In my neighborhood, it wouldn't matter.

That's why I brought up the class issue - we have several black families in our subdivision, and it's completely a non-issue. However, its a middle-to-upper-middle class neighborhood where most of the occupants are white collar professionals. No one really cares if the black CPA or business executive moves in next door. (Or when a certain local newscaster lived in the neighborhood, before her family moved to Texas.)

Right or wrong, I'd suspect that there's more fear in the neighorboods that are closer to the inner city where people feel like they are in a struggle to maintain the neighborhood, and some of those fear-based prejudices start to come out.

Not saying that I agree with the attitude, just something I have observed.

Mom, I see your point and it makes sense. Toledo has some mixed neighborhoods that have maintained their stability - the OWE, Old Orchard, Westmoreland. The residents tend to be better educated and economically better off than other Toledoans.

Toledo is probably the most segregated city I've lived in, ever, attitude-wise. And that's on all sides of the coin.

I never thought of it this way before, but absolutely true.

I noticed that Thrush's closed last week. They are opening a new location out in Monclova. I don't know how long they have been in that strip, but it has been as long as I can remember.