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Whitmer/Hickey Billboards

Hey spend your money however you want to spend it.....but wouldnt money be far better spent on supporting educational and extra curricular programs ......than purchasing PRIME billboard space (I can only assume this didnt come cheaply) in support of a scandalous ex superintendent? I dont get it. Then again, Wash Local sees fit (or saw fit) to run TV ads for Panther Country. Must be nice to have your financial house perfectly in order and so flush with cash. Maybe they're just really good at bake sales?

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It'd be nice if you could provide additional information... where is it? What exactly is on the billboard?

Is it your belief that the district paid for it?

I'm just curious what's going on. I'm in AW district, but it's long past due for both sides to move on and move forward.

posted by wahhutch9 on Feb 11, 2016 at 11:39:21 am     #  

There are at least 2 billboards in West Toledo area that show a picture of Hickey and the words "Thank you for loving our kids" (or something to that extent). Im almost positive the district didnt pay for them and it came from private funds. But that still begs the question of priorities.....wouldnt that money be better spent on the kids? I just think it sends a poor message.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 11, 2016 at 12:20:59 pm     #  

One billboard is at Secor and Laskey. There may be another. Doubt WLS is paying for them but I have been wrong before. Like the op said, spend your money how you like. The money could go towards school supplies, lab fee's etc. It's all about the kids you know.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Feb 11, 2016 at 12:30:58 pm     #  

I'm sure it's being paid for with private donations. They should put something on the billboard to the effect saying this billboard brought to you courtesy of..... so voters won't think their tax money is being wasted on this.

posted by jamesteroh on Feb 11, 2016 at 12:33:25 pm     #   1 person liked this

TrilbyGuy posted at 11:30:58 AM on Feb 11, 2016:

One billboard is at Secor and Laskey. There may be another. Doubt WLS is paying for them but I have been wrong before. Like the op said, spend your money how you like. The money could go towards school supplies, lab fee's etc. It's all about the kids you know.

I saw one the other day. Don't think it was at Secor & Laskey, but I can't remember exactly where. It seems like I was closer to the mall area.

I assumed it was paid for by a private citizen or group of citizens. It must have been expensive though. Billboards aren't cheap, especially in high traffic areas.

posted by mom2 on Feb 11, 2016 at 12:49:53 pm     #  

Personally, I can't imagine the district paying for those unless it was outlined in the separation agreement. Can you really imagine the Board (which, if I recall, seemed to be split between those who supported him and those who wanted him gone) approving the funds to put the funds up?

It would likely be in the Board minutes, right?

posted by wahhutch9 on Feb 11, 2016 at 01:35:58 pm     #  

Just saw one... Sylvania Monroe intersection facing west, by nettys. Could be wrong, but I didn't get impression it was funded by district. It looked pretty "plain Jane" to me...

posted by wahhutch9 on Feb 11, 2016 at 02:50:46 pm     #  

The assumption in the orignal post is that it is NOT paid for by the district. My comment, regardless, is that it seems awfully wasteful given the money crunch that almost all school districts are facing. I'd be pissed if some individual in my district used money for this rather than writing a check out for new uniforms, etc. particularly becasue it is a school related issue. Just some fodder for the board.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 11, 2016 at 03:59:00 pm     #  

I know it's been said before on here, but the supporters of Hickey remind me of cult members. It's unsettling.

posted by dell_diva on Feb 11, 2016 at 04:21:54 pm     #   2 people liked this

dell_diva posted at 03:21:54 PM on Feb 11, 2016:

I know it's been said before on here, but the supporters of Hickey remind me of cult members. It's unsettling.

He was clearly popular with the majority of WLS residents, but it is a little unusual for a school superintendent to command that kind of devotion.

Side note: Hickey's FB seems to allude to him being in the running for a position in the Chicago area.

posted by Ace_Face on Feb 11, 2016 at 04:54:54 pm     #  

Ace_Face posted at 03:54:54 PM on Feb 11, 2016:
dell_diva posted at 03:21:54 PM on Feb 11, 2016:

I know it's been said before on here, but the supporters of Hickey remind me of cult members. It's unsettling.

He was clearly popular with the majority of WLS residents, but it is a little unusual for a school superintendent to command that kind of devotion.

Side note: Hickey's FB seems to allude to him being in the running for a position in the Chicago area.

Perfect. He'd fit in well in a city where the dead typically vote 3 or 4 times each election.
Maybe Chi-town's godfather will hire him.

posted by Foodie on Feb 11, 2016 at 05:55:51 pm     #   1 person liked this

dell_diva posted at 03:21:54 PM on Feb 11, 2016:

I know it's been said before on here, but the supporters of Hickey remind me of cult members. It's unsettling.

Kind of like people voting for Sanders or Hillary, or Trump.

posted by MIJeff on Feb 11, 2016 at 06:30:55 pm     #   2 people liked this

When I thought it was just one billboard, I assumed that a collection was taken up among the women he slept with :-)

But if there are 3 billboards, I now revise my opinion. I thin he paid for them himself, in order to have "proof" on social media that he left his last job on good terms.

My $0.02.

posted by viola on Feb 11, 2016 at 08:41:16 pm     #  

ehem...no offense to anyone intended.....but it was widely documented that Hickey was active in Cedar Creek Church and actively solicited volunteers for various WLS efforts by using his circle at CCC as a resource.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 12, 2016 at 05:02:50 pm     #  

Hickey - The Drama Continues

Former Washington Local Superintendent Hickey Banned from School Property

From the article:
The Washington Local Board of Education today voted 5-0 to ban former Superintendent Patrick Hickey from school property after an incident at a basketball game Friday night.

The board scheduled a special meeting for this morning after Mr. Hickey yelled at referees at the Whitmer High School game against Lima Senior.

Board President David Hunter said the incidents also allegedly included Mr. Hickey embracing interim Superintendent Cherie Mourlam and making inappropriate comments toward her during the game. He was escorted out three times on Friday.

So he was 'escorted out' three times, and managed to get back in? So much for school security.

Meanwhile, he's putting the moves on Mourlam, who obviously doesn't mind. Why don't they get rid of Mourlam as well?

I know I'm in the wrong line of work. Give me 200 large and I'll stay out of your life forever. And enjoy it.

posted by madjack on Feb 13, 2016 at 01:55:31 pm     #  

Now the piece of shit has been banned from school property for yelling at officials last night.

What's even more ironic is the piece of shit himself has been a basketball official for about 20 years.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 13, 2016 at 02:25:37 pm     #  

On a side note - the high school officiating for basketball this year is some of the worst ever. Sorry - back to the drama that is Washington Local....

posted by Molsonator on Feb 13, 2016 at 03:17:53 pm     #  

I see his mouthpiece is already going at it on FB.

If he is such a great superintendent, how is it that Washington Local received a C on the most recent report card. With the way people go on about him, you'd have thought he personally elevated the district to Ottawa Hills status.

posted by AccountantDan on Feb 13, 2016 at 03:25:33 pm     #  

My understanding is Central Catholic's numbers are way up for incoming freshmen. I wonder if problems at WLS have anything to do with it?

posted by Molsonator on Feb 13, 2016 at 03:28:18 pm     #  

^^^^^I saw that too. Or course JB wasn't there, but chalks it to bad calls by the ref. But one of his commenters said Hickeys behavior went past that:

He used "foul language" not once but multiple times. He walked over to where the opposing team cheerleaders were and continued the language right next to them towards the ref. He was asked to stop a few times then asked to leave but didn't stop and continued to enter the gym after being asked to step out. I actually feel sorry for his kids personally I wouldn't to make that kind of show if it was mine playing especially senior year when scouts could have been there. I was really shocked by the behavior I witnessed.

Sounds like a great example for students.

posted by Ace_Face on Feb 13, 2016 at 03:32:51 pm     #   1 person liked this

He really just needs to go away. Girls elementary basketball tournament today at Washington Jr high, I talked to people who were at the game last night. They said he was a real ass.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Feb 13, 2016 at 03:55:57 pm     #  

I was at the game last night.

Saw him get thrown out. Didn't recognize who he was until I saw the news today. He was being obnoxious and deserved to be asked to leave.

The crowd was very loud and excited, because it was a close game. For him to have attracted the refs attention during an exciting game like that, you can imagine just how obnoxious he was.

I feel bad for his son. He was playing his heart out in that game and surely didn't need to be distracted by dad on the sidelines.

posted by mom2 on Feb 13, 2016 at 06:35:52 pm     #  

From today's story:

Mr. Hunter said that at one point during the game, Mr. Hickey left the stands and went down to the end line at the far corner of the gym where players head to the lockerroom and again yelled at the referees.

They asked the athletic director to remove him.

“Mr. Snook was forced to remove him from the gym three separate times, and each time he removed him, Mr. Hickey would reappear at another door,” Mr. Hunter explained. “On the last occasion, while in the corridor, Mr. Hickey was yelling and became verbally abusive to Mr. Snook.”

Mr. Hunter said that when he later asked Mr. Snook what he would have done if any other parent acted that way, Mr. Snook said he would have had the parent arrested.

Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Education/2016/02/14/Board-bans-Hickey-from-its-property.html#h4YJihQPH5DR93SZ.99

posted by Ace_Face on Feb 14, 2016 at 03:03:02 pm     #  

I do agree that any ordinary person off the street who was that disruptive at a game would be arrested. I've seen it happen at other events.

And again, I was at the game, so I'm not just going by what the media said.

My husband and I didn't even realize the guy was Hickey until the next day, so there was no bias on our interpretation of his behavior that night.

(We went to the game out of curiosity to see the kid from Lima play in person. We don't often attend Whitmer events. I've read the articles about Mr. Hickey, but never paid attention to his photos.)

posted by mom2 on Feb 14, 2016 at 03:29:08 pm     #  

I almost called foul on the school board for meeting on this in executive session, but then the article said Hickey is technically an employee until June under the separation agreement so it would still be considered an employment matter.

Can anyone speak to how Hickey conducted himself at games prior to his separation from the district? Is the behavior really different?

posted by MsArcher on Feb 14, 2016 at 04:09:08 pm     #  

newest bilboards: "Thank You Mr. Hickey,......For Hating Referees"

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 15, 2016 at 01:42:42 pm     #   1 person liked this

Go to the website.....................www.makingapredator.com

It tells a lot of information about the current situation and past allegations of Mr. Hickey's conduct..................very interesting

posted by Hoops on Feb 15, 2016 at 03:07:17 pm     #  

^ if I was a betting man, I would say Kern is at it again.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Feb 15, 2016 at 03:23:24 pm     #  

Been a a few seasons since I have been to a Whitmer basketball game but Hickey was always kind of obnoxious. No more so than other obnoxious parents. What he did Friday night was not what I have witnessed in the past.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Feb 15, 2016 at 03:26:43 pm     #  

Hoops posted at 02:07:17 PM on Feb 15, 2016:

Go to the website.....................www.makingapredator.com

It tells a lot of information about the current situation and past allegations of Mr. Hickey's conduct..................very interesting

What does Jonathan Walsh (formerly of WTOL) have to do with this soap opera? His pic is on that website.

posted by dell_diva on Feb 15, 2016 at 03:35:12 pm     #  

TrilbyGuy posted at 02:23:24 PM on Feb 15, 2016:

^ if I was a betting man, I would say Kern is at it again.

I don't see what the point to keep this crap up. I mean, he's gone. They won. If they had any class at all (something that no one in this drama seems to possess) they would simply move on.

posted by Ace_Face on Feb 15, 2016 at 05:05:46 pm     #  

A little info as to funds for the billboards:

http://www.wtol.com/story/31225990/hickey-billboard-support#.VsJuxjusayU.mailto

posted by LetItBe on Feb 15, 2016 at 08:38:45 pm     #  

Wonder why Lamar would tell anyone who purchased it? It has always been policy not to say at all.

As for the website www.makingapredator.com, that is the creepiest thing I have seen in a very long time. The owner of that site has some serious psychological issues.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 15, 2016 at 08:56:27 pm     #  

dell_diva posted at 02:35:12 PM on Feb 15, 2016:
Hoops posted at 02:07:17 PM on Feb 15, 2016:

Go to the website.....................www.makingapredator.com

It tells a lot of information about the current situation and past allegations of Mr. Hickey's conduct..................very interesting

What does Jonathan Walsh (formerly of WTOL) have to do with this soap opera? His pic is on that website.

According to the website, when Hickey was newly hired as Superintendent, Jonathan Walsh conducted an investigative report about his alleged sexual relationships with Addison students.

According to the website, Walsh put together a lot of evidence, but WTOL wouldn't air it.

Some of the documentation elsewhere on the website names specific people who went on record stating that they knew the alleged victims. (The names of the alleged victims were redacted- just called Student Victim 1 and Student Victim 2, both of whom were alleged to have had a relationship with Hickey. The other witnesses who went on the record were named.)

posted by mom2 on Feb 16, 2016 at 12:44:55 am     #  

Ace_Face posted at 04:05:46 PM on Feb 15, 2016:
TrilbyGuy posted at 02:23:24 PM on Feb 15, 2016:

^ if I was a betting man, I would say Kern is at it again.

I don't see what the point to keep this crap up. I mean, he's gone. They won. If they had any class at all (something that no one in this drama seems to possess) they would simply move on.

He's gone? Doesn't look like like he is "gone" to me. With Hickey getting Canales elected he is going to continue to be a embarrassment for WLS for some time. Class has nothing to do with it. Apparently Hickey has pissed some people off that have a lot of dirt on him and want to get some revenge. He'll be "gone" when he moves out of town (or goes to prison).

posted by reggie on Feb 16, 2016 at 08:06:02 am     #   1 person liked this

Molsonator posted at 07:56:27 PM on Feb 15, 2016:

Wonder why Lamar would tell anyone who purchased it? It has always been policy not to say at all.

As for the website www.makingapredator.com, that is the creepiest thing I have seen in a very long time. The owner of that site has some serious psychological issues.

Lamar revealing that info seems fishy. Maybe they were paid a liitle extra to say that, what would they care.

Yes, that website is about a person who has some serious psychological issues.

posted by reggie on Feb 16, 2016 at 08:12:03 am     #  

I just tried to click the link to makingapredator.com, and I get a dns failure error - I am at work, so maybe its a blocked site?

posted by MsArcher on Feb 16, 2016 at 10:30:07 am     #  

^^^ Me, too.

Re: Thank you for loving our kids. Ugh. I saw this and thought it was abominable. Personally, I don't want a grown man "loving" my kids.

posted by Anniecski on Feb 16, 2016 at 11:07:16 am     #   4 people liked this

I'm not at work and I get the same DNS error. Maybe they took it down?

posted by nana on Feb 16, 2016 at 11:13:37 am     #  

dont use the link.....manually type it in

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 16, 2016 at 11:16:28 am     #  

There is a comma the link on Molsonator's comment, so it puts some stuff at the end of .com. Just take that off and you'll get there.

Kinda funny if a work filter would stop it. Reading that site is like watching some crazy NSFW soap opera.

posted by JoeyGee on Feb 16, 2016 at 11:48:24 am     #   1 person liked this

This was...interesting

posted by mom2 on Feb 16, 2016 at 01:41:13 pm     #  

They have all the proof you want... unless you are looking for proof of their nonprofit status under the IRS.

posted by justread on Feb 16, 2016 at 02:19:18 pm     #  

justread posted at 01:19:18 PM on Feb 16, 2016:

They have all the proof you want... unless you are looking for proof of their nonprofit status under the IRS.

Yep.

When the Addison incidents were alleged on the Hickey Leaks website , it was hard to give anonymous ramblings any real credibility.

The documentation on this website is telling though. If a current Addison school board member taught with Hickey at the time of the allegations and discussed what he remembered, that says more to me than anonymous finger pointing. Can't imagine he'd risk his current status in the Addison school district and risk a lawsuit to make up false information 25 years after the fact.

I'm now inclined to believe that there is substance to the rumors about the affairs with students in Addison.

posted by mom2 on Feb 16, 2016 at 02:39:19 pm     #  

I know I'm going to get excoriated on this but, 25 years ago? This was common. Very common.

My high school science teacher married a classmate of mine. He was known to flirt with female students ENDLESSLY in class.

I'm not saying what Hickey did, if he did, was right, but this was common back then - young teacher, 'mature' students. Heck, I looked up Michigan statutory rape law - I'm not even sure statutory rape would apply at all - a person of authority only comes in to play if the victim is under 16, which means many sophomores and most juniors and seniors are fair game.

posted by MsArcher on Feb 16, 2016 at 04:11:33 pm     #  

With all due respect MrsArcher, it may have been "common" but that doesn't make it right.

For me - and I believe I have a right to vent since my school tax dollars go to WLS - the bigger issue is the character/integrity of the authority figure. I believe PH has given us any number of examples from which to draw our own conclusions regarding his character and/or integrity.

posted by Foodie on Feb 16, 2016 at 05:01:27 pm     #   5 people liked this

I believe the documentation said that at least one, if not both, of the students allegedly involved with Hickey were 15.

posted by mom2 on Feb 16, 2016 at 05:17:19 pm     #   1 person liked this

I just noticed that there is one place where they didn't redact the first name of one of the alleged victims. It was blacked out in every place in every interview, except one occurrence.

Combined with the team photo from the yearbook, dots can be connected.

posted by mom2 on Feb 16, 2016 at 05:22:23 pm     #  

Where did the recording of the phone call come from? The one that sounds like it was recorded at a basketball game?

posted by dell_diva on Feb 16, 2016 at 06:00:11 pm     #  

It really shouldn't matter if it was 25 years ago, it was against the law and since there really isn't any statute of limitations, he should be charged if it can be proven.

Regarding the reference of Michigan law being 16, that doesn't apply for Hickey because for teacher/student relationships the law if different.

It wasn't more common 25 years ago as it is today, and WLS was wrong for not further pursuing Walsh's story.

WLS is a better place without him and I suspect many of Hickey's supporters are hopping off the bandwagon as his true self is becoming more widely known.

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 16, 2016 at 06:04:39 pm     #  

I am the same age as the students in question. (Actually, now that more info has leaked, I realized that I played basketball against them and have mutual acquaintances with some of the team members.)

I wouldn't necessarily agree that it was accepted then. However, I do agree that it was more likely to be rug swept when rumors surfaced. Probably because the school officials didn't want to deal with it.

I could name 2 teachers at my school during the same time frame who were rumored to have inappropriate involvement with students, and both just went away quietly.

posted by mom2 on Feb 16, 2016 at 06:19:15 pm     #  

Going away quietly seems to be genetically impossible for Mr. Hickey.

posted by JoeyGee on Feb 16, 2016 at 06:41:31 pm     #  

The Ohio Department of Education now has reporting requirements. It is impossible to "sweep things under the rug" anymore. I would assume that Michigan probably amended their laws as well.

School districts that fail to report to ODE any instances such as those that are alleged to have happened could be held liable. Any supervising administrator who fails to report could have his license suspended.

All of this "love" stuff reminds me of Carlos Summer and the "Crusade of Love" if any of you long time Toledoans remember that.

posted by Dappling2 on Feb 16, 2016 at 07:30:27 pm     #  

Mrs Archer...I normally agree with your observations. But I think you are wrong on this one. I went to HS 25 years ago. It was not "common." To say that improper relations were common just because you happened to know of one personally doesn't make them "common."

posted by Dappling2 on Feb 16, 2016 at 07:32:46 pm     #  

Dappling2 posted at 06:30:27 PM on Feb 16, 2016:

The Ohio Department of Education now has reporting requirements. It is impossible to "sweep things under the rug" anymore. I would assume that Michigan probably amended their laws as well.

School districts that fail to report to ODE any instances such as those that are alleged to have happened could be held liable. Any supervising administrator who fails to report could have his license suspended.

All of this "love" stuff reminds me of Carlos Summer and the "Crusade of Love" if any of you long time Toledoans remember that.

Hi, loves. Patrick Hickey here. Founder of the Crusade of Love for all of female student kind. My mission is to move the academic world through love. And kinky cemetery activities.

posted by JoeyGee on Feb 16, 2016 at 09:21:35 pm     #   2 people liked this

I, too, was in high school 25 years ago and while inappropriate relationships may have happened here or there, I really don't think they were any more common than they are today. Teens are so much more available now than we were back then; none of us had cell phones, for example. Teacher-student relationships were certainly no more "OK" then than they are now. Wrong now, wrong then.

posted by jmleong on Feb 16, 2016 at 10:52:53 pm     #  

mom2 posted at 04:17:19 PM on Feb 16, 2016:

I believe the documentation said that at least one, if not both, of the students allegedly involved with Hickey were 15.

One girl was driving in a car by herself; admittedly back in 1990s, you could get a farm permit in Michigan as young as 14 but typically driving indicates at least 16. If I was wrong on that assumption, I'll admit an error in my previous statement.

It really shouldn't matter if it was 25 years ago, it was against the law and since there really isn't any statute of limitations, he should be charged if it can be proven.

But you have to charge him under the law at that time, which I address next:

Regarding the reference of Michigan law being 16, that doesn't apply for Hickey because for teacher/student relationships the law if different.

The law I found was amended in 1999 to say those under 16 and the perp is a person of influence. Today the law is under 18 for teachers, but not back then. At the time, Michigan law was under 16 for teachers. It has since been expanded.

So, unless I was wrong on the age, Hickey is not guilty of statutory rape even if he was a teacher.

Maybe I should clarify that I grew up in Lenawee County, farm country, were it was very common for girls to get married right out of high school, few were encouraged to go to college, and finding an older man with a job ... yeah. Common, IMO.

posted by MsArcher on Feb 16, 2016 at 11:41:57 pm     #   1 person liked this

Ah, MrsArcher, you're right that one of the alleged student victims must have been 16, because one of the statements mentions her car.

The website does specifically state that the other one was 15 though. I double checked to find the reference again to see if I was mistaken.

posted by mom2 on Feb 17, 2016 at 12:12:51 am     #  

mom2 posted at 12:41:13 PM on Feb 16, 2016:

This was...interesting

"If you are going to talk to him, can you let me know so that I may prepare for the heartache, publicity and destruction".
This pretty much says it all.
If you are innocent of any wrong doing why would you say something like that?
What happened to all those law suits he was going to file?
A lot of the blame has to go on the school board at the time for turning their back and ignoring what people were trying to tell them about Hickey, specifically Hunter and Zuber. Hunter was his pal. Zuber had to resign from the board a couple of years ago because he was sending emails out to administrators and teachers containing racist and pornographic images. Hickey knew about this and did nothing. Pretty much your standard good old boy network.
What is funny now is watching Hickey's cronies like Snook and Mourlan try to distance themselves from him.

posted by reggie on Feb 17, 2016 at 07:25:03 am     #   2 people liked this

If you strip everything else away...everything... and just look at the single act of sending an email to a former victim (or witness) 25 years later, and being willing to put them through all of those emotions, because you are scrambling for the tiniest scrap of reassurance...

It seems their life has unfolded and they have grown a family during the 25 years while Hickey's was "pieced back together."

My response would have been: "If you are in so much trouble in Toledo that you would need to bother me 25 years later, you have pieced together nothing." But that's just me.

posted by justread on Feb 17, 2016 at 08:37:08 am     #   11 people liked this

Well put justread.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 17, 2016 at 09:21:00 am     #  

mom2 posted at 11:12:51 PM on Feb 16, 2016:

Ah, MrsArcher, you're right that one of the alleged student victims must have been 16, because one of the statements mentions her car.

The website does specifically state that the other one was 15 though. I double checked to find the reference again to see if I was mistaken.

I did not dig through everything on that predator website - way to much going on there, but I did miss that one alleged victim was 15.

So Hickey is off the hook for the driver-age alleged victim but could still be nailed for the 15 y/o because Michigan does not have a statute of limitations on statutory rape.

posted by MsArcher on Feb 17, 2016 at 07:15:47 pm     #  

This guy is wrong eight ways from Sunday.
I could never believe anybody stood up for this turd on two legs at any point in this debacle.
Where's Baumhower now, still standing tall for this clown?

posted by McCaskey on Feb 17, 2016 at 07:53:40 pm     #   3 people liked this

Looking back, If Hickey would of stopped harassing that teacher he was screwing and didn't contact her any more, he would still be Superintendent in charge and welding his power over his school board cronies, Hunter, Kiser and now the high school dropout Canales. However, I suppose being the sick individual he is he would of just targeted someone else.

posted by reggie on Feb 18, 2016 at 06:36:41 am     #  

reggie posted at 05:36:41 AM on Feb 18, 2016:

Looking back, If Hickey would of stopped harassing that teacher he was screwing and didn't contact her any more, he would still be Superintendent in charge and welding his power over his school board cronies, Hunter, Kiser and now the high school dropout Canales. However, I suppose being the sick individual he is he would of just targeted someone else.

It is my understanding that Canales has a GED. I applaud people who do not graduate for whatever reason, but get their GED and go on to do productive things, get jobs, further degrees, and participate in the process. Imagine how daunting it would be going after something like school board knowing some jackass was likely to lob pot shots at you, even though you have every right to be there. One of my best friends has a GED rather than a diploma. I give those folks the benefit of the doubt. And that comes from somebody who values education and has partaken of a lot of it.

I think you are targeting Canales now. If so, come with something more than backhanded digs at her GED.

posted by justread on Feb 18, 2016 at 06:47:32 am     #   2 people liked this

justread posted at 05:47:32 AM on Feb 18, 2016:
reggie posted at 05:36:41 AM on Feb 18, 2016:

Looking back, If Hickey would of stopped harassing that teacher he was screwing and didn't contact her any more, he would still be Superintendent in charge and welding his power over his school board cronies, Hunter, Kiser and now the high school dropout Canales. However, I suppose being the sick individual he is he would of just targeted someone else.

It is my understanding that Canales has a GED. I applaud people who do not graduate for whatever reason, but get their GED and go on to do productive things, get jobs, further degrees, and participate in the process. Imagine how daunting it would be going after something like school board knowing some jackass was likely to lob pot shots at you, even though you have every right to be there. One of my best friends has a GED rather than a diploma. I give those folks the benefit of the doubt. And that comes from somebody who values education and has partaken of a lot of it.

I think you are targeting Canales now. If so, come with something more than backhanded digs at her GED.

OK, how about not even living in the district using a inlaws address.
Or getting a DUI. The FACT that she is a high school dropout is TRUE.
She must not of studied too much to get her "GED" being she was thrown off the board once for not knowing how to fill out paper work. Why would vote someone that stupid back to the board? Oh wait, Hickey told you it was a good idea.
Targeting your ass, I'm just stating fact. Your rant has nothing to do with this thread. Go away Troll.

posted by reggie on Feb 18, 2016 at 07:12:12 am     #   2 people liked this

"Targeting your ass, I'm just stating fact." - Ooops Freudian Slip.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 18, 2016 at 07:19:59 am     #   2 people liked this

reggie posted at 06:12:12 AM on Feb 18, 2016:
justread posted at 05:47:32 AM on Feb 18, 2016:
reggie posted at 05:36:41 AM on Feb 18, 2016:

Looking back, If Hickey would of stopped harassing that teacher he was screwing and didn't contact her any more, he would still be Superintendent in charge and welding his power over his school board cronies, Hunter, Kiser and now the high school dropout Canales. However, I suppose being the sick individual he is he would of just targeted someone else.

It is my understanding that Canales has a GED. I applaud people who do not graduate for whatever reason, but get their GED and go on to do productive things, get jobs, further degrees, and participate in the process. Imagine how daunting it would be going after something like school board knowing some jackass was likely to lob pot shots at you, even though you have every right to be there. One of my best friends has a GED rather than a diploma. I give those folks the benefit of the doubt. And that comes from somebody who values education and has partaken of a lot of it.

I think you are targeting Canales now. If so, come with something more than backhanded digs at her GED.

OK, how about not even living in the district using a inlaws address.
Or getting a DUI. The FACT that she is a high school dropout is TRUE.

She must not of studied too much to get her "GED" being she was thrown off the board once for not knowing how to fill out paper work. Why would vote someone that stupid back to the board? Oh wait, Hickey told you it was a good idea.

Targeting your ass, I'm just stating fact. Your rant has nothing to do with this thread. Go away Troll.

Thank you in advance for focusing your next attack on the next person against whom you have an agenda on their crimes and not on their GED. There are too many people with GEDs out there that could eat you for lunch.

And don't target my ass. It has a bunch of degrees, has never gotten a DUI, and has no political aspirations.

posted by justread on Feb 18, 2016 at 07:29:04 am     #   3 people liked this

justread posted at 06:29:04 AM on Feb 18, 2016:
reggie posted at 06:12:12 AM on Feb 18, 2016:
justread posted at 05:47:32 AM on Feb 18, 2016:
reggie posted at 05:36:41 AM on Feb 18, 2016:

Looking back, If Hickey would of stopped harassing that teacher he was screwing and didn't contact her any more, he would still be Superintendent in charge and welding his power over his school board cronies, Hunter, Kiser and now the high school dropout Canales. However, I suppose being the sick individual he is he would of just targeted someone else.

It is my understanding that Canales has a GED. I applaud people who do not graduate for whatever reason, but get their GED and go on to do productive things, get jobs, further degrees, and participate in the process. Imagine how daunting it would be going after something like school board knowing some jackass was likely to lob pot shots at you, even though you have every right to be there. One of my best friends has a GED rather than a diploma. I give those folks the benefit of the doubt. And that comes from somebody who values education and has partaken of a lot of it.

I think you are targeting Canales now. If so, come with something more than backhanded digs at her GED.

OK, how about not even living in the district using a inlaws address.
Or getting a DUI. The FACT that she is a high school dropout is TRUE.


She must not of studied too much to get her "GED" being she was thrown off the board once for not knowing how to fill out paper work. Why would vote someone that stupid back to the board? Oh wait, Hickey told you it was a good idea.


Targeting your ass, I'm just stating fact. Your rant has nothing to do with this thread. Go away Troll.

Thank you in advance for focusing your next attack on the next person against whom you have an agenda on their crimes and not on their GED. There are too many people with GEDs out there that could eat you for lunch.

And don't target my ass. It has a bunch of degrees, has never gotten a DUI, and has no political aspirations.

Justread, thanks for the insults. Apparently unknowingly I hit a nerve with you. I didn't bring up "GED's" you did. Facts are facts whether you like them or not. I'm trying to bring to light Through some of the inside info I have access to, all the bullshit and back handed corruption that is plaguing WLS.
I don't need critics such as yourself nitpicking and attempting to discredit everything I say. Believe it or not , there are people on here who are interested in this ongoing story about the abuse of power in our school system.
You do know that you do not have to reply to every thread that someone makes don't you? Or do you have a quota you must meet? I realize that you are the smartest and most knowledgeable person in the world and I appreciate your contributions, MOST of the time.
The thing is, if you really don't have anything worth while to add how about going back to your crossword puzzles.

posted by reggie on Feb 18, 2016 at 07:55:54 am     #   5 people liked this

You are even more easily provoked than you are distracted.

posted by justread on Feb 18, 2016 at 08:24:08 am     #   3 people liked this

grabs popcorn

posted by stooks on Feb 18, 2016 at 08:32:37 am     #  

If you're going to critique the education level of others, can you at least please stop saying "would of," "should of," and "could of"?

Those phrases make me cringe. Normally I wouldn't make a comment about it. However, since you're concerned about a person sounding educated, this might be the appropriate time.

would have
should have
could have

Please and thank you.

posted by mom2 on Feb 18, 2016 at 09:49:40 am     #   9 people liked this

Mom2...I always preferred "woulda..shoulda..coulda" :-)

posted by Dappling2 on Feb 18, 2016 at 09:59:14 am     #   1 person liked this

"Why vote someone that stupid back to the board? Oh wait, Hickey told you it was a good idea."

Canales was also officially endorsed last year by the Lucas County Democrat party.

If she doesn't live in the Washington Local school district, then maybe she has served her political timeout, and WLS is the first step toward future local political positions, such as an appointment to Toledo City Council.

Ms. Canales, a former school board member who left the board in 2008 after problems with an amended campaign finance report, is endorsed by the Democratic Party ...


"I don't see what the point to keep this crap up. I mean, he's gone. "

Not quite gone-gone.

Mr. Hickey remains on the district’s payroll through July 31.


I assume that the OHSAA rules for fans (pdf) at high school events are not followed closely.

Remember that a ticket to an interscholastic athletic event is a privilege to observe the con- test, not a license to verbally assault others and be generally obnoxious.

posted by jr on Feb 18, 2016 at 11:41:52 am     #  

Back on track, people.

Further back, someone said that the owner of makingapredator has some serious psychological issues.

Huh? What?

No mention of the superintendent's apparent psychological problems?

Really? What more do people need? There is an email trail detailing his extra-curricular activities with staff. There is the most recent outburst at his own child's sporting event. There is a police report about the events in Addison. There is a FB message from him to the girl in question pleading for a heads up.

And the only conclusion is the the owner of the website has serious psychological issues?

posted by corky on Feb 18, 2016 at 11:51:19 am     #  

That wasn't the only conclusion. It was a side conclusion.
These conclusions are not mutually exclusive.

There is plenty of crazy to go around.

posted by justread on Feb 18, 2016 at 12:02:12 pm     #   3 people liked this

justread posted at 11:02:12 AM on Feb 18, 2016:

That wasn't the only conclusion. It was a side conclusion.
These conclusions are not mutually exclusive.

There is plenty of crazy to go around.

Exactly. Just because Hickey had problems doesn't mean that his detractors were squeaky clean do-gooders. I am sure the author of that website would say that she only put it up to "inform the community" or something along those lines. But Hickey is now gone. They won. At this point, it is only about one thing:

Unfortunately, there are people that are being dragged into this that had nothing to do with Hickey. What is the point of putting up photos of Baumhower's wife or the teacher's husband (other than to humiliate them)?

posted by Ace_Face on Feb 18, 2016 at 12:48:04 pm     #   2 people liked this

I do love a good "I told you so."

Thank you.

posted by corky on Feb 18, 2016 at 01:03:32 pm     #   1 person liked this

The cast of characters is a new add on. I agree with you that the inclusion of Squibb's spouse and Baumhower's spouse is unnecessary.

posted by corky on Feb 18, 2016 at 01:09:47 pm     #  

I am sure the author of that website would say that she only put it up to "inform the community" or something along those lines.

How do we know this person is a "she?"

And I am wondering how the person got screen shots of Baumhower's texts, and Hickey's private FB messages.

posted by Anniecski on Feb 18, 2016 at 01:37:06 pm     #  

Anniecski posted at 12:37:06 PM on Feb 18, 2016:

I am sure the author of that website would say that she only put it up to "inform the community" or something along those lines.

How do we know this person is a "she?"

And I am wondering how the person got screen shots of Baumhower's texts, and Hickey's private FB messages.

website is now down because they "respect law enforcement."

posted by Ace_Face on Feb 18, 2016 at 09:25:30 pm     #  

If they respected law enforcement, they would have let law enforcement handle it from the start and left the I told you so website till after the law proved anybody guilty.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Feb 18, 2016 at 10:18:39 pm     #  

Ace_Face posted at 11:48:04 AM on Feb 18, 2016:
justread posted at 11:02:12 AM on Feb 18, 2016:

That wasn't the only conclusion. It was a side conclusion.
These conclusions are not mutually exclusive.

There is plenty of crazy to go around.

Exactly. Just because Hickey had problems doesn't mean that his detractors were squeaky clean do-gooders. I am sure the author of that website would say that she only put it up to "inform the community" or something along those lines. But Hickey is now gone. They won. At this point, it is only about one thing:

Unfortunately, there are people that are being dragged into this that had nothing to do with Hickey. What is the point of putting up photos of Baumhower's wife or the teacher's husband (other than to humiliate them)?

Hi Ace. I don't know about Bumhower's x wife but Mr. Squibb was involved with the Hickey fiasco. When his wife and the Balwinski teacher were arguing and fighting about Hickey in front of Whitmer high school students during school hours, the husband joined in the argument. Also there are 35 pages of emails between the Squibbs and Hickey that were provided months ago by the blade and local news channels. Just saying.

The Squibbs would of been better off just filing charges against Hickey for harassment and stalking. The Director of Human Resources at WLS is the one who must have released all the information that the Squibbs went to her with initially.

posted by reggie on Feb 19, 2016 at 07:25:08 am     #  

TrilbyGuy posted at 09:18:39 PM on Feb 18, 2016:

If they respected law enforcement, they would have let law enforcement handle it from the start and left the I told you so website till after the law proved anybody guilty.

Who do you think those "told you so" people are directing their "told you so's " to? I'm assuming they are the Kool-aid drinkers who think or thought that Hickey was/is the greatest thing since the invention of slice bread. For instance those people who show up at the board meetings with signs that say " Fire Hickey and we will fire you".
Anyone else?

posted by reggie on Feb 19, 2016 at 07:35:29 am     #  

As a related note: this is how "support schools" gets twisted and warped. Anyone who questions school authorities, whether it be on a host of topics (disciplinary actions, curriculum decisions, spending requests, personal behavior, etc) is labeled as not being supportive of schools. This is precisely what happened at WLS. "Dont turn your back on the Super, the kids love him and HE loooooves education and Whitmer". Thats not a WLS thing.....thats a societal thing. Its happening in districts all accros the state (to various degrees).....and that message, IMHO, is horseshit. Throwing unlimited amounts of money at education is not the only way to "support schools".

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 19, 2016 at 11:19:10 am     #   2 people liked this

admittedly, from the outside, my guess is that the "I told you sos" likely are coming from those people who were labeled as being anti-Whitmer, anti-education for having the audacity of holding their $200k/yr Super accountable for his questionable actions. Seems very reasonable to me.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 19, 2016 at 11:27:05 am     #   1 person liked this

Reasonable people stop selling when they have closed the deal, and stop pulling the trigger when the suspect is dead.

posted by justread on Feb 19, 2016 at 12:21:56 pm     #   2 people liked this

BulldogBuckeye posted at 10:27:05 AM on Feb 19, 2016:

admittedly, from the outside, my guess is that the "I told you sos" likely are coming from those people who were labeled as being anti-Whitmer, anti-education for having the audacity of holding their $200k/yr Super accountable for his questionable actions. Seems very reasonable to me.

Definitely that's who it is coming from. And I understand the desire to be proven right. But they gotta realize that no one likes hearing "I told you so" even if it's true. Take the higher road and move on.

Side note: the thing about this whole debacle that really strikes me is how much technology played a part in how this all went down. Text messages, emails, Facebook posts, websites, etc. I bet there's a whole lot of people involved in this that wish they had never put their thoughts into writing and sent it out into the electronic ether, where it lives on forever.

posted by Ace_Face on Feb 19, 2016 at 12:55:53 pm     #   1 person liked this

Ah but justread there are people who have to keep driving nails into the coffin. Its an EGO thing, and if you tell them that is what they are doing then you become the opposition as well. Confucius says "Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves" but i prefer "Grudges are for those who insist that they are owed something; forgiveness, however, is for those who are substantial enough to move on." - Criss Jami

posted by Molsonator on Feb 19, 2016 at 12:58:56 pm     #   1 person liked this

The crux of my point is how the accused were labeled and marginalized. I cant blame anyone for thumbing their nose (for a while longer than needed) at those supporters who started with making it personal.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 19, 2016 at 01:53:58 pm     #   2 people liked this

**accusers

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 19, 2016 at 01:55:06 pm     #   1 person liked this

justread posted at 11:21:56 AM on Feb 19, 2016:

Reasonable people stop selling when they have closed the deal, and stop pulling the trigger when the suspect is dead.

Wow Justread I didn't realize that suspect had died! If that is true then who was that man going berserk and harassing people at the Whitmer game last Friday? Does the suspect have a twin brother cause it should did look like him. Whats up with dat?

posted by reggie on Feb 19, 2016 at 05:56:51 pm     #   3 people liked this

justread posted at 11:21:56 AM on Feb 19, 2016:

Reasonable people stop selling when they have closed the deal, and stop pulling the trigger when the suspect is dead.

Justread, to save you the trouble I'll post another one of your sentences of wisdom that you post when you feel the need to hijack a thread and try to control the conversation contained in it.

"When the truth is bad enough, the extra innuendos and rumors thrown in for good measure have diminishing returns."

No need to thank me. Have a great weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted by reggie on Feb 19, 2016 at 06:03:13 pm     #   3 people liked this

Here's another one:

If you cover all the mirrors in your house, that crazy guy will stop staring at you.

posted by justread on Feb 20, 2016 at 07:07:57 am     #   1 person liked this

Good one. Here is one of my favorites by the late great JImi Hendrix:

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace."

posted by reggie on Feb 20, 2016 at 07:15:04 am     #  

The Hickey cheerleaders deserve to hear and read plenty of "I told you so's." It must have been difficult having to see those stupid "We support Hickey" shirts at school and board meetings.

Hickey himself needs to witness his bandwagon burning. Hopefully it scalds his bloated ego so much that he leaves the area altogether.

The amount of support he received was ridiculous...it's as if the sheep really believed the district would fall apart without him. The truth is becoming more evident that WLS is better WITHOUT Hickey.

Also, many of the cheerleaders failed to recognize that what they were chanting was disrespectful to others at WLS working together to educate kids. Hickey was merely a figurehead, and a lying, cheating, hypocrite, to boot.

There should be billboards across the area reading: "Good riddance Hickey."

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 20, 2016 at 08:52:52 am     #   7 people liked this

reggie posted at 06:15:04 AM on Feb 20, 2016:

Good one. Here is one of my favorites by the late great JImi Hendrix:

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace."

Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.
"Golda Meir"

posted by MIJeff on Feb 20, 2016 at 02:53:39 pm     #  

My peace will come and I will know peace when everybody stops talking about this idiot Hickey.

posted by foodie88 on Feb 20, 2016 at 04:54:43 pm     #   5 people liked this

MIJeff posted at 01:53:39 PM on Feb 20, 2016:
reggie posted at 06:15:04 AM on Feb 20, 2016:

Good one. Here is one of my favorites by the late great JImi Hendrix:

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace."

Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.
"Golda Meir"

Good one! Here is another one of my favorites by the late great Edith
Bunker:
" There are gold ships and there are silver ships but there is no ship like friendship".
Bless you all!

posted by reggie on Feb 21, 2016 at 06:50:28 am     #  

foodie88 posted at 03:54:43 PM on Feb 20, 2016:

My peace will come and I will know peace when everybody stops talking about this idiot Hickey.

Foodie, it doesn't appear Hickey is going away anytime soon. With all due respect I would suggest not visiting this thread anymore as apparently its causing youself and a few others on this board some anguish. This way the posters here who have a interest in this topic and want to follow the latest scuttlebutt can do so without feeling like they are doing something wrong. Thank You!

posted by reggie on Feb 21, 2016 at 06:56:13 am     #   1 person liked this

This was fun. Wait for it. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhLnlSHNVA0

posted by justread on Feb 21, 2016 at 07:30:54 am     #  

6th_Floor posted at 07:52:52 AM on Feb 20, 2016:

The Hickey cheerleaders deserve to hear and read plenty of "I told you so's." It must have been difficult having to see those stupid "We support Hickey" shirts at school and board meetings.

Hickey himself needs to witness his bandwagon burning. Hopefully it scalds his bloated ego so much that he leaves the area altogether.

The amount of support he received was ridiculous...it's as if the sheep really believed the district would fall apart without him. The truth is becoming more evident that WLS is better WITHOUT Hickey.

Also, many of the cheerleaders failed to recognize that what they were chanting was disrespectful to others at WLS working together to educate kids. Hickey was merely a figurehead, and a lying, cheating, hypocrite, to boot.

There should be billboards across the area reading: "Good riddance Hickey."

6th. , I couldn't have said it better. Some fail to realize the repercussions Hickey's actions will have on the district now and in the future. This fiasco has divided the WLS staff, students and the tax paying community. We have not seen how this will affect the next WLS
levy. Hickey KOOL-Aid drinkers, (which believe it or not there are some still out there) have the notion that WLS has passed levy's thanks to Hickey. This is a complete joke. I lived in this district for
thirty plus years, and WLS has never had a problem passing a levy
long before Hickey came here. Now we may have trouble because of Hickey.
Hickey tried to get the board to buy his contract out last April before everything surfaced. He knew then that he was going to get exposed.
He has never put this district first only his self promotion.
Another misconception is that when Hickey came along with a special needs child of his own that something changed. Again, WLS
has had an outstanding reputation for special needs programs for decades. Due to his need to be the center of a attention, he gave the
impression that everything good that happened in the district was because of him.
Outside agitators such as Hickey's mouthpiece Bumhower (the mis
spelling is on purpose), only made things worse.
I wonder if Lindsay Webb has any more " I stand by hickey" shirts she was proudly wearing. She should feel like a fool now.
Stay tuned, hopefully the Addison info will be surfacing soon.

posted by reggie on Feb 21, 2016 at 07:37:33 am     #   3 people liked this

"... it doesn't appear Hickey is going away anytime soon."

I can understand that sentiment.

Again from the Dec 2015 Blade story

Mr. Hickey remains on the district’s payroll through July 31.

"I wonder if Lindsay Webb has any more " I stand by hickey" shirts she was proudly wearing."

Webb, another one of our brilliant decision makers who impacts our taxes, fees, and assessments.

Sep 2015 Blade story

Also speaking today was Lindsay Webb, a Toledo city councilman who is the mother of a kindergartner in the Washington district. She said the district would decline quickly if it dismisses Mr. Hickey, because excellent leaders are hard to replace.

“I love politics. I know how to play politics,” Ms. Webb said. “Up to this point, I haven’t come close to Washington Local Schools races. That will change starting today.”

F*cking politicians.

posted by jr on Feb 21, 2016 at 08:59:30 am     #   6 people liked this

justread posted at 06:30:54 AM on Feb 21, 2016:

This was fun. Wait for it. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhLnlSHNVA0

I didn't realize how white WLS is until watching that video. I counted about four black students and zero African American staff.

posted by Ace_Face on Feb 21, 2016 at 12:15:42 pm     #  

That video is the whitest thing I've seen outside of the Osmond family compound.
Also: Pharrell Williams and his legal team are well versed in the matters of violating publishing rights-I assume the lyrics and music were licensed through the proper channels, no?

@6th_floor: Nice summary.

posted by SavageFred on Feb 22, 2016 at 11:34:37 am     #   1 person liked this

Good morning. For those interested that website , http://www.makingapredator.com/ is back up with some info on
Hickey's partner in crime Bumhower. What a swell guy.

posted by reggie on Feb 24, 2016 at 06:52:03 am     #  

I'm not the biggest fan of Baumhower these days.

However, I find it in exceptionally poor taste that this website has put up information relating to the financing of his car and home.

Those details are completely irrelevant to Hickey's actions as a school employee. The only purpose posting that info would serve would be to embarrass and humiliate Baumhower.

It indicates that the person/people behind the site are primarily interested in gossip and salacious details. So much for "protecting the children" in WLS.

I'm pretty disgusted right now.

posted by mom2 on Feb 24, 2016 at 07:26:11 am     #   8 people liked this

Same here mom2. Not a Baumhower fan myself but that website is ridiculous.
Pretty sure the person behind it is a creeper here and they should know that they are no better than Hickey or Baumhower at this point.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Feb 24, 2016 at 11:00:15 am     #   6 people liked this

The only updates I'm interested in are whether or not JB and company is following through on his Freedom of Information requests and the lawsuit he promised. I'm not holding my breath. It seemed like a lot of table pounding that carries no more weight than a schoolyard "my dad is going to beat up your dad" taunt.

posted by JoeyGee on Feb 24, 2016 at 11:34:10 am     #   2 people liked this

Seems like there would only be one source for most of that personal Baumhower info.

posted by justread on Feb 24, 2016 at 11:42:17 am     #   3 people liked this

"Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned / Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned." - William Congreve...or maybe Prince....I can't remember.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 24, 2016 at 11:47:54 am     #   6 people liked this

justread posted at 10:42:17 AM on Feb 24, 2016:

Seems like there would only be one source for most of that personal Baumhower info.

Yup.

And if I had her ear, I'd tell her that a life well lived is the best revenge. Don't give him headspace anymore. Move on, and be glad he's out of your life.

posted by mom2 on Feb 24, 2016 at 12:47:58 pm     #   3 people liked this

I see no problem with that website when they put information up there about Hickey or Baumhower. Baumhower did some serious spinning when he stepped into this WLS situation. He chose to spin it out of his so called concern for WLS and it's turning out that it was false pretenses. In my opinion his spin did more harm than good for WLS, and some people who were targeted for one reason or another. In my opinion, I don't view whoever is putting up this information as mudslinging, I see it as more of a defending. I wonder what I would do in a situation like that? Do my best to defend myself.

posted by reyen on Feb 24, 2016 at 01:49:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

I have a feeling you don't have to wonder too hard.

posted by justread on Feb 24, 2016 at 02:13:23 pm     #   8 people liked this

Your feeling about me not having to wonder for long, is more of an assumption. A lot has been said about that word assume. So whatever, think or feel what you want. I have nothing to prove to you.

posted by reyen on Feb 24, 2016 at 02:56:17 pm     #   1 person liked this

Last time I checked, "defending" yourself by airing someone else's dirty laundry is juvenile behavior one might expect from middle schoolers.

"B-b-but they aired my dirty laundry first. Waa waa waa. So now I can say whatever I want about them."

Meh.

posted by mom2 on Feb 24, 2016 at 05:31:21 pm     #   3 people liked this

Bringing information to light about interactions a school employee may have had with minors is one thing. That would be need to know information for parents of minor children who interact with Hickey and if it was being swept under the rug revealing it may not have been a bad thing.

There's no real, valid need for all of us to know stuff like Baumhower not being able to make his car payments though.

Publishing that kind of info is some petty, spiteful BS. Even if he has also been a jerk online. Someone has to be the bigger person and decide enough is enough with the petty details.

Sadly, I don't see that happening any time soon.

posted by mom2 on Feb 24, 2016 at 05:41:40 pm     #   4 people liked this

I think WLS needs to hire a consultant who understands modern-day educational needs. Their City Paper full-page ad (Feb 24 issue) is probably just an homage to the Era of Soul, but ...

Three students identified by name (because they are idols?) will go on to play football in college. Four female students are posing in lovely dresses, but there is no indication of what their accomplishments might be or what their names are.

I would be far more likely to judge a school by its college admissions record, by its attendance at regional science contests, by the improvement in math scores, by programs that promote STEM careers, by the success rate of an internship program ...

But congratulations to the three boys! And to the four anonymous girls.

posted by viola on Feb 24, 2016 at 06:01:54 pm     #   4 people liked this

mom2 posted at 04:41:40 PM on Feb 24, 2016:

Bringing information to light about interactions a school employee may have had with minors is one thing. That would be need to know information for parents of minor children who interact with Hickey and if it was being swept under the rug revealing it may not have been a bad thing.

There's no real, valid need for all of us to know stuff like Baumhower not being able to make his car payments though.

Publishing that kind of info is some petty, spiteful BS. Even if he has also been a jerk online. Someone has to be the bigger person and decide enough is enough with the petty details.

Sadly, I don't see that happening any time soon.

I DO see the IRS investigating the claim of nonprofit status. The Truth Alliance is not in the database, at least under that name.

posted by justread on Feb 24, 2016 at 06:07:46 pm     #   2 people liked this

Did The Truth Alliance make a claim that they are non-profit and are you saying that you can see the IRS investigating or that you know the IRS is investigating?

posted by corky on Feb 24, 2016 at 10:53:06 pm     #  

The latest post on the website lists a Miguel Rivera as the contact for any questions or comments. I was surprised to see a name attached to the site.

posted by dell_diva on Feb 24, 2016 at 11:32:16 pm     #  

mom2: I'm new so I don't know how to post your comment above mine for me to reply underneath it. Going to have to look into it.

I still stick behind my opinion of them defending and I will expand that to include informing. We will have to agree to disagree on it. I'm learning a lot from what they post. This situation, in my opinion, is a lot more than "he did it first so I'm going to do it".

posted by reyen on Feb 25, 2016 at 12:06:33 am     #  

reyen posted at 11:06:33 PM on Feb 24, 2016:

mom2: I'm new so I don't know how to post your comment above mine for me to reply underneath it. Going to have to look into it.

I still stick behind my opinion of them defending and I will expand that to include informing. We will have to agree to disagree on it. I'm learning a lot from what they post. This situation, in my opinion, is a lot more than "he did it first so I'm going to do it".

Reyen, don't concern yourself with posters on here who are so sick and ill about the retaliation information being put out about Hickey and Bumhower. They act so righteous and say that this stuff makes them so sick but they keep coming back for more don't they. As far as that TURD Bumhower goes (who doesn't even live in the WLS district) , it didn't seem to make anyone sick and ill on here when he was on Facebook and Twitter Attacking and spreading lies about
Langenderfer (causing the kool-aid drinkers to slash his tires and steal his mail) or Carmean. Or how about all the lies and petty shit he was saying about Cindy Perry when she was running for School board. Last but not least is the dirt and crude things he was posting about Terri Kerns?
Like the old saying goes, "Payback is a bitch". If something makes you sick you don't keep taking it, that is if that is your real agenda.

posted by reggie on Feb 25, 2016 at 06:19:29 am     #   4 people liked this

corky posted at 09:53:06 PM on Feb 24, 2016:

Did The Truth Alliance make a claim that they are non-profit and are you saying that you can see the IRS investigating or that you know the IRS is investigating?

The Truth Alliance claimed to be a nonprofit organization.
This is Federal territory now.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 07:07:19 am     #  

Update: The Truth Alliance, who initially falsely claimed to be a nonprofit organization, have now begun calling themselves a community organization.

Why? Because the IRS doesn't give out nonprofit status to people who are butthurt and want to punish others by posting personal information intended to be embarrassing and punitive. That is not a charitable mission under the IRS. It was really easy to check, they must think everybody else is stupid.

But, because they CLAIMED nonprofit status before they had received an exemption letter, it was still a crime. A documented, witnessed crime. Yes. The people at The Truth Alliance falsely and illegally represented themselves as a nonprofit.

How many wrongs make a right anyway?

But hey, the new members who randomly stopped by are right, and know the True Truth, and those of us who have been members of this close knit forum community are off base for smelling sewage on the shoes of the random new members promoting a particular agenda.

Kind of funny that the very first act of The Truth Alliance was a lie, and they assumed nobody would bust them.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 07:18:10 am     #   9 people liked this

There is no question one of our new members is behind this agenda, website, campaign, and formerly fake nonprofit.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 07:25:16 am     #   1 person liked this

"our new members" refers to whom?

The focus on their incorrect identification as a non-profit on their Facebook page (for a few hours) seems like a diversion from some other significant issues.

This mess sounds like what it usually is. If people are acting out of control, it is usually about sex and money.

posted by corky on Feb 25, 2016 at 08:15:00 am     #   1 person liked this

Here, feel sorry for them some more.
http://www.makingapredator.com/

Wonder how much Hickey is paying Bumhower to keep his attacks up to take way the attention from his troubles?

posted by reggie on Feb 25, 2016 at 08:17:06 am     #   3 people liked this

justread posted at 06:25:16 AM on Feb 25, 2016:

There is no question one of our new members is behind this agenda, website, campaign, and formerly fake nonprofit.

Great investigating reporting there Geraldo. Although it has nothing to do with the fact that Bumhower and Hickey are two perverted losers, it will keep the Righteous Brothers coming back for more to voice their
indignation! LOL

posted by reggie on Feb 25, 2016 at 08:21:14 am     #   2 people liked this

Could someone TL;DR this for me?

posted by endcycle on Feb 25, 2016 at 08:26:08 am     #   2 people liked this

corky posted at 07:15:00 AM on Feb 25, 2016:

"our new members" refers to whom?

The focus on their incorrect identification as a non-profit on their Facebook page (for a few hours) seems like a diversion from some other significant issues.

This mess sounds like what it usually is. If people are acting out of control, it is usually about sex and money.

New members would typically be the ones who arrive to a topic magically and randomly, and their first post usually has inside information of some kind. But when asked, they turn Pollyanna and claim random passing knowledge, just like the rest of us.

The false claim was on their website all last week. There is no diversion.

Hickey, Baumhower, the school board, the parents who allowed this, the people of Addison Michigan, and anyone who ever supported Hickey is wrong and bad. Got it.

It is also wrong and bad to lie about your nonprofit status, it is not an "error," it is a lie, and it goes on every day in this country, and I for one am sick of it. Do NOT minimize the fraudulent representation as a nonprofit by a group of people who have NOT EVEN SOUGHT STATUS. I don't care how long it went on. So far, Hickey has gotten what he deserves, Baumhower seems to be getting the same. Two hours, two weeks, two years. A lie is a lie.

Nothing left but bringing the fraudsters who illegally claimed nonprofit status to justice. Because Justice is key, and the Truth is everything. We need to protect other REAL nonprofits from these people who illegally claim status they do not have as an attempt to create legitimacy that doesn't exist.
This is a serious crime, and needs to be investigated.

This is your topic. On this forum and others. You have a clear opinion on all of those you frequent. I wandered in to this topic on this forum as a totally impartial person, and anyone who has been around this forum for more than a couple weeks dam well knows it.

But to all of us impartial people, it is clear that there is not an innocent person in the entire bunch, and nobody is clean. It is all disgusting and gross. And The Truth Alliance is no better, it is just aligned in a certain way. Yuck. Disgusting. Everybody.

Anything else is your diversion.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 08:34:18 am     #   2 people liked this

I get why traditional media has not reported the developments about Baumhower. He's nothing more than a blogger and social media personality. He's a low level person who inserted himself in this mess under false pretenses. I do wonder why traditional media has not reported these most recent developments about Hickey. Being summoned to court regarding allegations of sexual misconduct with a student seems like a significant turn of events.

posted by corky on Feb 25, 2016 at 08:49:31 am     #   5 people liked this

endcycle posted at 07:26:08 AM on Feb 25, 2016:

Could someone TL;DR this for me?

The POWH, (People Obsessed With Hickey) dropped this The Truth Alliance smear website on Buckeye Bulldog's thread about the billboards on the occasion of some embarrassing events for Jeremy Baumhower. (Ugh.)
Some of our regular folks found this in poor taste. That, of course made them part of the problem.
The first act of The Truth Alliance, ironically, was a lie. My observance of that, despite being really, really disconnected from all of these nut cases on both sides of the never ending saga, made me part of the problem too, if not a romantic partner of Hickey or some other random slur.
They took down the fraudulent representation of non-existent tax exempt status that was never even applied for, because they are following this thread closely. Really closely.

That should catch you up.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 09:01:50 am     #   8 people liked this

"How many wrongs make a right anyway?"

It seems that as long as the popcorn holds out, then no limit exists on the wrongs.

"Could someone TL;DR this for me?"

I'll refer you to a November 2015 post from yet another ephemeral website about the topic.

Put ur big kid panties on and enjoy the shit show.

posted by jr on Feb 25, 2016 at 09:31:42 am     #   5 people liked this

What Reggie and reyen seem to miss is that it is entirely possible for people to simultaneously think 1) Patrick Hickey has been a disaster for WLS; and 2) the smear tactics against people who supported Hickey cross the line of acceptable behavior.

These two items are not mutually exclusive, and just because a person thinks digging up dirt on Baumhower is reprehensible does not mean that the same person is a Hickey shill.

A few more observations:

  • If your end goal is bringing out the truth about Hickey, focus on him. All these side stories obscure and detract from your end goal.
  • Attacking Hickey supporters via a guilt-by-association approach is only going to alienate people who might otherwise share your dislike of Hickey, except for perhaps the ghost of Joseph R. McCarthy.

Full disclosure: I do not know Baumhower, nor do I read his blog with any frequency. I think Hickey has turned WLS into a dysfunctional circus, and that his time as superintendent has brought significant harm to the district.

That being said, is the "Truth Alliance" going to dig up and publicize the dirty laundry of every Hickey supporter? At what point does your cyber witch hunt stop?

posted by historymike on Feb 25, 2016 at 09:44:50 am     #   6 people liked this

Hahahahaha...

I swear to the 8 pound, 6 ounce newborn infant baby Jesus that when I just surfed on the Hickey Leaks Again website, the following ad appeared at the bottom of the page:

Hickey Leaks web page

posted by historymike on Feb 25, 2016 at 09:55:26 am     #   4 people liked this

There is something larger going on here (beyond WLS and Hickey) and what I think may be hitting home with some people who are not directly connected to WLS is this: If you speak out against the actions of a school superintendent or a school board, people are labeled as being anti education, anti teacher, anti children, and just generally a pain in a the ass. They are marginalized and ostracized. This is what I have seen in our district. Its rather apparent this is what happened at WLS. I imagine this happens elsewhere.

There is a huge shift and a struggle going on today with education. Funding has been cut by the state (shifted to charter schools) forcing more requested for money onto the local districts. Taxpayers in local districts are struggling with stagnant wages and depressed property values....and are being asked to pay more for education. There are highly emotional debates as to what is "needed" vs "wanted". Meanwhile, district "executive" salaries continue to escalate.

My point is.....while two wrongs dont make a right, I can see why people are being vindictive. Its the climate and culture that has been created by those that look down their noses at anyone who dares to speak out against the educational system machinery. My hunch is this is going on, to a certain degree, all over the place.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 25, 2016 at 10:17:27 am     #   4 people liked this

But these posts are not about an educational system, they are post to smear, to say I told you so, to bolster their own ego. What they don't realize is when they hold on to this negative situation, they become part of the problem.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 25, 2016 at 10:27:53 am     #   3 people liked this

I am not a part of the website and I don't know anything about the IRS stuff and I don't know who is behind the website. Since I'm new thought I should let everybody know that.

One of the definitions of a predator is: a person or group that ruthlessly exploits others. <-----doesn't always have to be just sexual.
The name of that website is makingapredator and it did not claim that is is just about Hickey, at least that I'm aware of.
The information they are putting up there is relevant and fits the website. Baumhower played a huge part in this WLS situation which helped divide the community. If the allegations about Baumhower are true then indeed he fits on that website.

I still see it as a defending and I have no dislike for anybody who sees it different. It's just my opinion that is all. Baumhower did some serious damage to some people. I have been watching this from the start and have seen it from many different angles. I haven't formed my opinion from just one,two,or three sources.

posted by reyen on Feb 25, 2016 at 11:31:28 am     #  

BulldogBuckeye posted at 09:17:27 AM on Feb 25, 2016:

There is something larger going on here (beyond WLS and Hickey) and what I think may be hitting home with some people who are not directly connected to WLS is this: If you speak out against the actions of a school superintendent or a school board, people are labeled as being anti education, anti teacher, anti children, and just generally a pain in a the ass. They are marginalized and ostracized. This is what I have seen in our district. Its rather apparent this is what happened at WLS. I imagine this happens elsewhere.

There is a huge shift and a struggle going on today with education. Funding has been cut by the state (shifted to charter schools) forcing more requested for money onto the local districts. Taxpayers in local districts are struggling with stagnant wages and depressed property values....and are being asked to pay more for education. There are highly emotional debates as to what is "needed" vs "wanted". Meanwhile, district "executive" salaries continue to escalate.

My point is.....while two wrongs dont make a right, I can see why people are being vindictive. Its the climate and culture that has been created by those that look down their noses at anyone who dares to speak out against the educational system machinery. My hunch is this is going on, to a certain degree, all over the place.

You've just described politics in any area of interest or endeavor.
The people who didn't want Promenade Park given away were "anti-progress" and "anti-Promedica." The people who didn't want to pay for COSI on their taxes were "anti-children." The people who are against the ZOO levy are "anti-family" and "anti-animal." The people who supported Mike Bell were "anti-union." Education holds no monopoly on the polar opposition dynamic that is so easy for the simple minded to work with.

There is always some reason for some people who are not quite balanced to over-react and fixate on something or someone who they feel they can't control. Many times having nothing to do with education. I know this one woman who is off the rails on sexism. Off the rails. Can't be reached. For others, it's Hickey.

The attempt to defame or marginalize others who do not agree with us is so pervasive on the internet today, and in our lives, that the same people who were so repulsed by Hickey actually adopted the very same tactics he did when they felt defensive. When accused, these people did the same redirection at specific individuals who they felt didn't conform to their perspective. In the end, they are more like Hickey than they could ever wrap their heads around. Hopefully all of the victims in this case, especially those who continue to be tortured by their unending obsession and loss of balance can find some peace soon. Sadly, many will just find their next obsession.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 11:40:44 am     #   3 people liked this

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

posted by TrilbyGuy on Feb 25, 2016 at 11:43:32 am     #   1 person liked this

"Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman."

Justice Louis Brandeis

posted by corky on Feb 25, 2016 at 11:58:51 am     #   1 person liked this

posted by wahhutch9 on Feb 25, 2016 at 01:01:39 pm     #   1 person liked this

But, because they CLAIMED nonprofit status before they had received an exemption letter, it was still a crime.

I've skimmed over a lot the more recent posts on this thread because ... well ... it's just getting pretty ridiculous. But this caught my attention, and I wanted to clarify because while I agree with justread a lot, his statements about non-profit status are just wrong.

I have formed 501©(3), ©(4) and ©(5) non-profit entities as part of my former legal practice, and it is not illegal to hold yourself out as a non-profit prior to receiving the approval letter from the IRS. In fact, it can take up to a year to receive said letter after filing (unless you are a Tea Party group, then it could take years). Beyond that, you don't technically have to file for non-profit status for 15 months after organization.

So there is nothing illegal about holding yourself out as a non-profit before actually having that designation. Now, does that make it okay for a group who has no intention of filing for non-profit to hold themselves out as such? No, that's wrong. But until the 15 month deadline passes, or unless they are saying they have an approval letter from the IRS, there is nothing illegal going on with regard to non-profit status. The rest of this stuff - who knows.

posted by MsArcher on Feb 25, 2016 at 01:55:13 pm     #   4 people liked this

Agreed, MrsArcher.

posted by corky on Feb 25, 2016 at 02:01:36 pm     #   1 person liked this

MrsArcher posted at 12:55:13 PM on Feb 25, 2016:

But, because they CLAIMED nonprofit status before they had received an exemption letter, it was still a crime.

I've skimmed over a lot the more recent posts on this thread because ... well ... it's just getting pretty ridiculous. But this caught my attention, and I wanted to clarify because while I agree with justread a lot, his statements about non-profit status are just wrong.

I have formed 501©(3), ©(4) and ©(5) non-profit entities as part of my former legal practice, and it is not illegal to hold yourself out as a non-profit prior to receiving the approval letter from the IRS. In fact, it can take up to a year to receive said letter after filing (unless you are a Tea Party group, then it could take years). Beyond that, you don't technically have to file for non-profit status for 15 months after organization.

So there is nothing illegal about holding yourself out as a non-profit before actually having that designation. Now, does that make it okay for a group who has no intention of filing for non-profit to hold themselves out as such? No, that's wrong. But until the 15 month deadline passes, or unless they are saying they have an approval letter from the IRS, there is nothing illegal going on with regard to non-profit status. The rest of this stuff - who knows.

They aren't going to get approved. This isn't the Humane Society of Greater Albany. I would NEVER advise self-styled and self-appointed "nonprofits" to hang their shingle out in front of their determination letter.

There is a reason that we can't all just claim to be nonprofits on a given day and wait to see how it all washes out.

Although I am pretty sure they can claim to be a religion.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 02:18:31 pm     #   3 people liked this

Reggie your comment:

Langenderfer (causing the kool-aid drinkers to slash his tires and steal his mail) or Carmean. Or how about all the lies and petty shit he was saying about Cindy Perry when she was running for School board. Last but not least is the dirt and crude things he was posting about Terri Kerns?

Yes that is what I mean about his spinning causing more harm than good. That is some of what I have watched go down and more. No agenda, just can understand why they are posting on that website. Two sides to every story and they didn't ask for all of this to go down the way it did.

posted by reyen on Feb 25, 2016 at 02:27:17 pm     #  

justread posted at 01:18:31 PM on Feb 25, 2016:
MrsArcher posted at 12:55:13 PM on Feb 25, 2016:

But, because they CLAIMED nonprofit status before they had received an exemption letter, it was still a crime.

I've skimmed over a lot the more recent posts on this thread because ... well ... it's just getting pretty ridiculous. But this caught my attention, and I wanted to clarify because while I agree with justread a lot, his statements about non-profit status are just wrong.

I have formed 501©(3), ©(4) and ©(5) non-profit entities as part of my former legal practice, and it is not illegal to hold yourself out as a non-profit prior to receiving the approval letter from the IRS. In fact, it can take up to a year to receive said letter after filing (unless you are a Tea Party group, then it could take years). Beyond that, you don't technically have to file for non-profit status for 15 months after organization.

So there is nothing illegal about holding yourself out as a non-profit before actually having that designation. Now, does that make it okay for a group who has no intention of filing for non-profit to hold themselves out as such? No, that's wrong. But until the 15 month deadline passes, or unless they are saying they have an approval letter from the IRS, there is nothing illegal going on with regard to non-profit status. The rest of this stuff - who knows.

They aren't going to get approved. This isn't the Humane Society of Greater Albany. I would NEVER advise self-styled and self-appointed "nonprofits" to hang their shingle out in front of their determination letter.

There is a reason that we can't all just claim to be nonprofits on a given day and wait to see how it all washes out.

Although I am pretty sure they can claim to be a religion.

justread wins Laugh of the Day with the religion line.

posted by historymike on Feb 25, 2016 at 02:56:04 pm     #   1 person liked this

I would NEVER advise self-styled and self-appointed "nonprofits" to hang their shingle out in front of their determination letter.

Sorry, but that's just not the way the system works. I have advised nonprofits to hold themselves out as such, and actually collect tax-deductible contributions before even filing the Form 1023. Oh, the horrors! It just takes too long to get the determination letter and the majority of the time, it is not an issue.

Mind you, and I think I clarified this the first time I posted on it, I am NOT saying this group qualifies for nonprofit status. I'm saying that a group holding themselves out as nonprofit prior to receiving the determination letter is not illegal. It may or may not be unethical, but it is not illegal.

posted by MsArcher on Feb 25, 2016 at 03:09:13 pm     #   5 people liked this

I'd say MrsArcher shut that thing down ......(Marv Albert voice) with authority!

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 25, 2016 at 04:10:21 pm     #   3 people liked this

Lots of things that former lawyers say are just fine should be avoided. Take the free internet legal advice you want. But that ain't no nonprofit, and they shouldn't claim to be one.

posted by justread on Feb 25, 2016 at 04:29:52 pm     #   2 people liked this

former lawyers

I'm not a former lawyer, I am fully licensed and in good standing in the state of Ohio.

posted by MsArcher on Feb 25, 2016 at 05:31:58 pm     #   6 people liked this

Thanks for posting Actual facts Mrs. Archer putting to sleep the rantings of a message board poster desperately trying to be relevant in a post he would clearly be better off ignoring!
Game, Set, Match! LOL

posted by reggie on Feb 25, 2016 at 06:01:12 pm     #   2 people liked this

Didn't someone post above:

"There is always some reason for some people who are not quite balanced to over-react and fixate on something or someone who they feel they can't control. "

Oh the delicious irony.

posted by corky on Feb 25, 2016 at 06:16:15 pm     #   2 people liked this

historymike posted at 08:44:50 AM on Feb 25, 2016:

What Reggie and reyen seem to miss is that it is entirely possible for people to simultaneously think 1) Patrick Hickey has been a disaster for WLS; and 2) the smear tactics against people who supported Hickey cross the line of acceptable behavior.

These two items are not mutually exclusive, and just because a person thinks digging up dirt on Baumhower is reprehensible does not mean that the same person is a Hickey shill.

A few more observations:

  • If your end goal is bringing out the truth about Hickey, focus on him. All these side stories obscure and detract from your end goal.
  • Attacking Hickey supporters via a guilt-by-association approach is only going to alienate people who might otherwise share your dislike of Hickey, except for perhaps the ghost of Joseph R. McCarthy.

Full disclosure: I do not know Baumhower, nor do I read his blog with any frequency. I think Hickey has turned WLS into a dysfunctional circus, and that his time as superintendent has brought significant harm to the district.

That being said, is the "Truth Alliance" going to dig up and publicize the dirty laundry of every Hickey supporter? At what point does your cyber witch hunt stop?

historymike, if you could hear it, I'd give you a round of applause for this.

Additionally, it should be noted that many who have stated that the Making A Predator website people crossed a line also have made comments about thinking that the internet postings attacking Kern et al crossed the line too. If you wish to take the time, go back and look at the previous thread. You can find plenty of examples.

Both sides have behaved egregiously. That doesn't excuse the continued behavior.

posted by mom2 on Feb 25, 2016 at 06:37:09 pm     #   5 people liked this

So, let me see if I've got this straight, everybody is pretty much anti-Hickey and Baumhower, and are just sort of dealing with how guilty we all feel for reading, what is both a salacious and informative website. Yeah, I feel a little icky too. This feels like a hair splitting contest. Hickey got some of what he probably deserved and Baumhower overused his bully pulpit and bet on the wrong horse.

Meh. There's bigger injustices out there than the questionable methods by which they've been exposed.

posted by ahmahler on Feb 25, 2016 at 07:39:59 pm     #   1 person liked this

historymike your comment:

What Reggie and reyen seem to miss is that it is entirely possible for people to simultaneously think 1) Patrick Hickey has been a disaster for WLS; and 2) the smear tactics against people who supported Hickey cross the line of acceptable behavior.

These two items are not mutually exclusive, and just because a person thinks digging up dirt on Baumhower is reprehensible does not mean that the same person is a Hickey shill.

historymike where did I post saying anybody was a Hickey shill? Or give an indication that I missed something on your 1 or 2 statement?

posted by reyen on Feb 25, 2016 at 11:49:56 pm     #  

historymike on your number 2 statement can we just agree to disagree? I view it different that is all. I didn't throw my thoughts out to attack another's point of view. With all due respect, I just see it different then you and likewise on your end.

posted by reyen on Feb 25, 2016 at 11:57:28 pm     #   1 person liked this

Well, this thread has turned into a giant shit show. It's starting to be reminiscent of the Pastor Pitts church thread from a few years back, who's name is escaping me at the moment.

posted by hunkytownsausage on Feb 26, 2016 at 12:33:45 am     #  

Maybe JR could stretch the rules a little and call this "political". It will take reyen a week to figure out where that is and by that time maybe she will move on to another site.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 26, 2016 at 07:22:12 am     #   5 people liked this

reggie posted at 05:01:12 PM on Feb 25, 2016:

Thanks for posting Actual facts Mrs. Archer putting to sleep the rantings of a message board poster desperately trying to be relevant in a post he would clearly be better off ignoring!
Game, Set, Match! LOL

No one should ever ignore false claims of tax status by those who have not legally sought it. There is way too much fraud in the sector to allow this kind of dishonesty and misrepresentation to stand. Especially among organizations with highly suspect missions which are not charitable in nature.

It is irresponsible to advise people to claim nonprofit status and accept gifts while creating the expectation of deductibility when the outcome is unknown.
Now, you can find accountants and attorneys that will tell you what you want to hear, I'm sure. People pay professionals to file BS every day, and people cheat every day. But those gifts are not truly deductible until the determination is granted, and the IRS clearly advises would-be nonprofits in this regard.

I would think an organization with such impeccable moral fiber as The Truth Alliance would want to make sure that they are beyond reproach in both fact and appearance.

It was wise to stop posing as a nonprofit. It would be wise to continue to stop posing as a nonprofit until you actually are one, should that day ever come. Oops. I said you. I meant the totally random third parties that nobody here knows. :)

posted by justread on Feb 26, 2016 at 07:39:48 am     #   3 people liked this

MrsArcher posted at 04:31:58 PM on Feb 25, 2016:

former lawyers

I'm not a former lawyer, I am fully licensed and in good standing in the state of Ohio.

Current. And excellent back up.

posted by justread on Feb 26, 2016 at 07:45:15 am     #  

Molsonator posted at 06:22:12 AM on Feb 26, 2016:

Maybe JR could stretch the rules a little and call this "political". It will take reyen a week to figure out where that is and by that time maybe she will move on to another site.

That is mighty nice of you trying to come to the rescue of your friend and mentor who has been repeatedly made to look an ass in this thread. Trying to deflect his embarrassment is what Baumhower was/is attempting to do for Hickey. Great minds must think alike.
What your missing is that what Reyen was saying is about the topic of this thread. What your saying is child like and has nothing to do with this thread. Maybe its time for you to move. Just saying.

posted by reggie on Feb 26, 2016 at 07:47:11 am     #   2 people liked this

Ooops. It looks like you just proved Historymikes point. If you disagree with me you must be a "friend" of Baumhower. Never met the guy. I have chatted with someone named reggie and I am watching that person self-destruct. Lets not give him the forum to do it.

posted by Molsonator on Feb 26, 2016 at 07:54:46 am     #   11 people liked this

"Maybe JR could stretch the rules a little and call this "political"."

No. I think that some of this area's quirkiness should remain visible.

From that broken making a predator website, I learned about this nugget from the Toledo City Paper's 'Best of Toledo 2015' article.

[Best] Print Journalist
Keith Burris of the Toledo Blade
www.toledoblade.com/Keith-Burris

Runner Up: Jeremy Baumhower, founder of www.iheartglasscity.com and former-columnist for the Toledo Free Press

Interestingly, both are fans of EconCat88.

I can see Burris being first.

But Baumhower is the second best "print journalist" in the Toledo area?? Holy media hell, Batman. A Slack bot would be a wiser choice.

"this is all really really really weird" - upso - #

posted by jr on Feb 26, 2016 at 12:27:38 pm     #   9 people liked this

Historymike's wisdom proves that not everyone with a PhD is a social outcast and misfit. They do provide a service.

posted by MemyselfandI on Feb 26, 2016 at 01:32:25 pm     #   1 person liked this

What do you mean, HistoryMike is not a social pariah and societal misfit? Just look at the company he keeps - what little there is.

posted by madjack on Feb 26, 2016 at 04:07:53 pm     #   1 person liked this

Okay, wait a minute. I didn't mean it like it sounds.

posted by madjack on Feb 26, 2016 at 04:08:33 pm     #  

I prefer the term "misanthrope." It gives me a degree of agency.

posted by historymike on Feb 26, 2016 at 04:47:48 pm     #   5 people liked this

I thought all PIOs were misfits. Look at the company THEY keep.
:)

posted by justread on Feb 26, 2016 at 04:52:25 pm     #   2 people liked this

Thanks for schooling me, jusread, on what is important to me.

"This is your topic. On this forum and others. You have a clear opinion on all of those you frequent. I wandered in to this topic on this forum as a totally impartial person, and anyone who has been around this forum for more than a couple weeks dam well knows it."

But wandered into this topic as a totally impartial person?

bawhahaha!

"I think thou doth protest too much." ~ Shakespeare

posted by corky on Feb 27, 2016 at 12:06:48 am     #  

historymike wanted to respond to your post a little more because of your other comments with my name attached to it.

I haven't attacked any Hickey supporters. Where in my posts have I done that? They thought he was a great leader and they supported him because they were led to believe that he needed that support. What I saw was a lot of confusion and people trying to figure things out. I have no judgement on that.

Thus my comment on Baumhower doing more harm then good. If what is being said on that website is true about Baumhower that would mean he wasn't innocent in this and that a lot of those people were exploited by Baumhower and Hickey, if what is said to be true. That's why it makes sense to me about Baumhower being up there. Along with this situation with Baumhower and his wife, if those allegations are true about the domestic abuse and other things, then another reason why I see it's relevant, I see her as someone who was exploited as well.

This is how I look at it in this situation: who had what to lose and or gain?


You said below: "If your end goal is bringing out the truth about Hickey, focus on him. All these side stories obscure and detract from your end goal."

I couldn't figure out what was bothering me in this but now I see what it is. You're using the words "your" in that sentence with my name attached to it. What do you mean with that? Do you think I'm behind or a part of that website? If so, I will say it again. I'm not. Believe it or not, that's up to you or anybody else questioning it. If that's what you meant? IDK, that's why I'm asking. I have no inside information and I have only what I have observed.

I'm sorry for EVERYBODY in this situation. And there were victims in this situation. It is sad no doubt about it. That's why I made the comment about why I view that website as more of a defending.

Again, to you and others I didn't throw my thoughts out there to offend anybody, it's just my opinion and nothing more. Again, I have watched it for some time now and I commented. I wish I wouldn't of because there is a lot of negative in this situation which I knew but I didn't really feel the negativity until I commented on it.

I am sorry that the WLS community got divided and I hope that some day it won't be. It will take time for things to settle down because feelings and thoughts just don't turn off overnight. It takes time.

For those who wanted to have the thread moved to politics so it would take me a week to find it. HAHAHA, it could of taken me a week to find it, if I went to look for it. I haven't even figured out how to post people's comments like the rest of you. No worries I don't think I will be posting much more on this site.

historymike posted at 08:44:50 AM on Feb 25, 2016:
What Reggie and reyen seem to miss is that it is entirely possible for people to simultaneously think 1) Patrick Hickey has been a disaster for WLS; and 2) the smear tactics against people who supported Hickey cross the line of acceptable behavior.

These two items are not mutually exclusive, and just because a person thinks digging up dirt on Baumhower is reprehensible does not mean that the same person is a Hickey shill.

A few more observations:

If your end goal is bringing out the truth about Hickey, focus on him. All these side stories obscure and detract from your end goal.
Attacking Hickey supporters via a guilt-by-association approach is only going to alienate people who might otherwise share your dislike of Hickey, except for perhaps the ghost of Joseph R. McCarthy.
Full disclosure: I do not know Baumhower, nor do I read his blog with any frequency. I think Hickey has turned WLS into a dysfunctional circus, and that his time as superintendent has brought significant harm to the district.

That being said, is the "Truth Alliance" going to dig up and publicize the dirty laundry of every Hickey supporter? At what point does your cyber witch hunt stop?

posted by reyen on Feb 27, 2016 at 04:01:09 am     #   1 person liked this

"That being said, is the "Truth Alliance" going to dig up and publicize the dirty laundry of every Hickey supporter? At what point does your cyber witch hunt stop?"

This comment is ridicules.

"Full disclosure: I do not know Baumhower"

You don't know Hickey either.

Apparently you and the rest of the self righteous who has wandered on to this thread feeling the need to tell people how they should feel and react to this whole mess know little about the people involved in it. I do know Hickey. I know what a pompous, arrogant ,power hungry, self promoting prick that he is/was. Since this shit hit the fan I find out that you can add predator and pedophile to his attributes. I don't know Baumhower. What I do know is all the trouble he caused in the WLS district and apparently he is a wife beater anda cad. F**k him and F**k Hickey. For the last six or seven years I've watched Hickey do his Cedar Creek commercials on tv, (I bet they are thrilled about that), Trying to bring Ceder Creek into the schools until he was stopped, abuse teachers and parents ,(when no one was around of course) and wasting thousands of taxpayer dollars on his self promotion. Some people keep saying, if all this is true. Yeah its true, what do you want a personal confession? Another member here, whose ass has a number of degrees, is so concerned about them claiming non tax statues. Who gives a F.
Yeah Bumhower and Hickey are going down and I hope they burn in hell! (Sam Jackson).
Just my opinion. Now you can attack.

posted by reggie on Feb 27, 2016 at 07:02:28 am     #   1 person liked this

I wish I wouldn't of

The moment you realize two people with the exact same perspective also share the exact same grammatical tick.

posted by justread on Feb 27, 2016 at 07:41:22 am     #   9 people liked this

Another member here, whose ass has a number of degrees, is so concerned about them claiming non tax statues.

If Cedar Creek fraudulently claimed to be a nonprofit, and they had never even filed, you would have made it clear that they were as dishonest as Hickey.

If Hickey started a fake nonprofit, you would be on the phone with the FBI.

posted by justread on Feb 27, 2016 at 08:03:54 am     #   2 people liked this

reyen:

I couldn't figure out what was bothering me in this but now I see what it is. You're using the words "your" in that sentence with my name attached to it. What do you mean with that?

"Your" as in "people who despise Hickey and his supporters."

Do you think I'm behind or a part of that website?

I have no idea, nor do I care either way.

For those who wanted to have the thread moved to politics so it would take me a week to find it. HAHAHA, it could of taken me a week to find it, if I went to look for it.

The point of a separate Politics forum is not to hide threads from posters, but to get overtly political threads off the main page. If that were the case, there would not be an easy-to-find link titled "Forums" at the top of the page.

No worries I don't think I will be posting much more on this site.

It's a free country, peace out, and all that.

posted by historymike on Feb 27, 2016 at 11:19:23 am     #   6 people liked this

reggie:

You don't know Hickey either.

You are correct: I do not "know" Hickey. I have had some dealings with him that left unfavorable impressions. But I do not "know" Hickey, nor have I ever claimed to "know" Hickey.

Apparently you and the rest of the self righteous who has wandered on to this thread feeling the need to tell people how they should feel and react to this whole mess know little about the people involved in it.

"Self-righteous"? Sure, if by "self-righteous" you mean "people who think it is in poor taste to create anonymous websites that post embarrassing personal details to smear those they do not like." I am speaking specifically here about the Baumhower postings, just for clarification. The disclosures about Hickey and Addison High School have greater relevance, but if there exists evidence of criminal activity, then this should be turned over to law enforcement.

Now you can attack.

Sorry, I have no interest in "attacks." That is the realm of people who create anonymous websites like MakingaPredator.com. However, I have been a member of this online community for about 11 years, and a resident on WLS district for 24 years, so I have an interest in both this thread and this website.

posted by historymike on Feb 27, 2016 at 11:44:11 am     #   8 people liked this

posted by reggie on Feb 27, 2016 at 06:02:28 am
I know what a pompous, arrogant ,power hungry, self promoting prick that he is/was. Since this shit hit the fan I find out that you can add predator and pedophile to his attributes.

Don't hold back, Reggie. Tell us how you really feel about this imperious, egotistical, despotic, Machiavellian, primate phallus as he is.

No worries I don't think I will be posting much more on this site.

You could join the Great Migration to Canada that's been promised.

posted by madjack on Feb 27, 2016 at 02:18:32 pm     #  

Good morning. Wake up everybody. Here is the latest post from that website saying why they are doing what they are doing. Take it for what its worth.
http://www.makingapredator.com/

posted by reggie on Feb 28, 2016 at 07:51:34 am     #   1 person liked this

A term came to me.

Grudge porn.

posted by justread on Feb 28, 2016 at 02:13:02 pm     #   4 people liked this

One came to me too

Reckoning Porn
Karma Porn

posted by corky on Feb 28, 2016 at 04:23:48 pm     #   1 person liked this

Grudge porn works. Considering the wanking motion I made after reading that bs. Would love to hear from "Miguel Rivera" after "he" reads this.

posted by TrilbyGuy on Feb 28, 2016 at 04:27:20 pm     #   1 person liked this

reggie posted at 06:51:34 AM on Feb 28, 2016:

Good morning. Wake up everybody. Here is the latest post from that website saying why they are doing what they are doing. Take it for what its worth.
http://www.makingapredator.com/

Huh, interesting. What if I were to say that the white on gray is too hard to read; would they respond to that too?

Or how about instead of using TT to announce your updates, you just set up an RSS feed, that way those of us who want to follow this soap opera can do so, and the rest of us can continue to ignore it.

posted by MsArcher on Feb 28, 2016 at 04:28:36 pm     #   6 people liked this

MrsArcher posted at 03:28:36 PM on Feb 28, 2016:
reggie posted at 06:51:34 AM on Feb 28, 2016:

Good morning. Wake up everybody. Here is the latest post from that website saying why they are doing what they are doing. Take it for what its worth.
http://www.makingapredator.com/

Huh, interesting. What if I were to say that the white on gray is too hard to read; would they respond to that too?

Or how about instead of using TT to announce your updates, you just set up an RSS feed, that way those of us who want to follow this soap opera can do so, and the rest of us can continue to ignore it.

Good morning.
"those of us who want to follow this soap opera can do so, and the rest of us can continue to ignore it."

This pretty much is what I suggested in an earlier post. What I don't understand is If you or anyone else don't like this "soap opera" why do you continue to click on it when you go to TT every day and continue to make comments on it ? Believe or not there are other posters who are interested. Try not clicking on the title and see if that helps! If something makes you sick or bores you, STAY AWAY.
Just some friendly advice, no need to thank me.
interested in this "soap opera".

posted by reggie on Feb 29, 2016 at 06:48:46 am     #   4 people liked this

Any parent of a potential or current WLS student is likely as disturbed by the grudge porn as they are by the actions which brought about the termination of Hickey.
Hickey is gone.

The sickness remains.

posted by justread on Feb 29, 2016 at 07:11:42 am     #   2 people liked this

justread posted at 06:11:42 AM on Feb 29, 2016:

Any parent of a potential or current WLS student is likely as disturbed by the grudge porn as they are by the actions which brought about the termination of Hickey.
Hickey is gone.

The sickness remains.

Good morning Justread. "Hickey is gone". You keep posting bad information. You condemn that website for supposedly claiming false tax status while you keep coming back here every day mixing in your cute catch phrases that you make up while repeating the same falsehood, that Hickey is gone. Hickey is under contract till the end of July. He shows up at School events. He commented on the radio that he might run for school board in 2017. A possibility since he got his crony Canalas elected to the board. Plus he is plastering his face all over town on billboards. Your definition of gone and mine are different. Thank you for your time.

posted by reggie on Feb 29, 2016 at 08:32:34 am     #   4 people liked this

Good morning Justread. You keep feeding the trolls, and they keep sucking up the bandwidth. This would bother me a whole lot less than it does, except for the fact(s) that:
A) You're doing it on purpose
B) You know what's going to happen
C) I'm sober and forgot to run to the liquor store yesterday, so I'm out of bourbon. Meaning that I've not had my good old morning snort, and so have temporarily misplaced my usual sunny, affable nature that lets me ignore comic book crap like this.

With any luck at all, Hickey will come down with some weird new STD and find his place in a medical textbook.

posted by madjack on Feb 29, 2016 at 09:53:02 am     #   2 people liked this

reggie posted at 07:32:34 AM on Feb 29, 2016:
He shows up at School events.

Not any more. He was banned from setting foot on district property a few weeks ago.

He commented on the radio that he might run for school board in 2017.

Yeah? I can comment on the radio that I am running for President, or even that I am running to be elected as the Yamtuan Besar of the Maylasian state of Negeri Sembilan. However, there is a difference between saying you are running for office and actually running for office. Maybe he is just talking smack to irritate his enemies. Maybe this is a trial balloon. Maybe he did the interview after a couple of snorts of madjack's best bourbon. Who knows? If he files as a candidate, I think he is doomed and will look pathetic.

A possibility since he got his crony Canalas elected to the board.

OK. That is one vote in a district with a population of about 50,000 people. Of course, even LC-F might jump off the Hickey bandwagon with all the drama and mud flying around.

He will need another 4,000 or so to win an actual election. Maybe he has that many supporters, maybe not. Maybe he can count on a few hundred less-informed citizens who will pull the lever for him because they recognize the name. However, studies have shown that incumbency status matters much more than name recognition to these kinds of voters (Donald Trump notwithstanding). The average WLS voter has probably encountered at least some of the negative news coverage regarding Hickey, so I doubt that he would gain much in the category of "that guy sounds familiar" voters.

But I think his main concern right now is getting another high-paying administrator gig, and that ain't gonna be in WLS. The last time I checked WLS school board positions are not very lucrative; state law limits compensation to $125 plus mileage per meeting and no more that $5k per year plus mileage.

posted by historymike on Feb 29, 2016 at 11:21:10 am     #  

You have to be a prince of Negeri Sembilan, and given that your claim is based on two cases of champagne and an incident that has been officially denied since 1937, I'm not giving very good odds on your election success. In fact, the phrase a zillion to one features prominently on the board.

I had to read the WLS school board compensation twice before it sank in: one and a quarter bills per meeting? I'd think five or six would be about average if you're going to attract quality people. Sure, one or two altruistic saints might run and actually get elected, but that's all I'm believing.

posted by madjack on Feb 29, 2016 at 01:14:00 pm     #  

I know I know....this is poor form, but I'll come clean: Im finding the dumpster fire at WLS to be somewhat deelish. Seems that over the few years, I heard A LOT of chest pounding and self aggrandizement coming from that district, both in general via media and even personally from teachers and alumni. Previously, despite its size, Whitmer had a little bit of the little brother syndrome/inferiority complex going on.....public persona was that it was much more like Start than it was Southview or Perrysburg....and people wanted that to change. Along comes the charismatic Superintendent, high fiving, back slapping, producing "best workplace" videos, Panther Country commericals, and recruiting scandals resolved thru prayer. Poof! Whitmer and WLS was the place to be! ...yet here we are today POOF: dysfunction like the rest of us. Pride cometh before the fall.

posted by BulldogBuckeye on Feb 29, 2016 at 01:50:37 pm     #   1 person liked this

madjack posted at 12:14:00 PM on Feb 29, 2016:

You have to be a prince of Negeri Sembilan, and given that your claim is based on two cases of champagne and an incident that has been officially denied since 1937, I'm not giving very good odds on your election success. In fact, the phrase a zillion to one features prominently on the board.

I had to read the WLS school board compensation twice before it sank in: one and a quarter bills per meeting? I'd think five or six would be about average if you're going to attract quality people. Sure, one or two altruistic saints might run and actually get elected, but that's all I'm believing.

Yeah, $125 is pretty small potatoes for several hours of work plus all the ancillary stuff you have to read on your own time. Oh, and calls from constituents, media requests, public appearances, and so on. You could make more money working a couple of shifts at Burger King.

A school board position does have some value as a launching point into bigger political gigs, at least if a person has those aspirations. For the true-believing altruists, those stipends probably wind up as little more than minimum wage pay.

posted by historymike on Feb 29, 2016 at 03:39:04 pm     #  

I had to read the WLS school board compensation twice before it sank in: one and a quarter bills per meeting? I'd think five or six would be about average if you're going to attract quality people. Sure, one or two altruistic saints might run and actually get elected, but that's all I'm believing.

The administration and unions don't want "quality people" elected to school boards...the pay remains low because they want insiders or "friends of the status quo."

posted by 6th_Floor on Feb 29, 2016 at 06:06:13 pm     #   1 person liked this

Admittedly, I did not read through all of this (who has the time) but, I do have a tiny bit of insight about this conundrum. Please allow me to add my brief, but ever so intuitive knowledge. Reyen and Reggie are spot on in their analysis/contributions, which leads me to believe one of two things:
a.) they have inside information

OR

b.) They have common sense.

Either way, they know what they're talking about.

posted by IfItsTheTruthYouWant on Feb 29, 2016 at 06:47:16 pm     #   1 person liked this

historymike posted at 10:21:10 AM on Feb 29, 2016:
reggie posted at 07:32:34 AM on Feb 29, 2016:
He shows up at School events.

Not any more. He was banned from setting foot on district property a few weeks ago.

He commented on the radio that he might run for school board in 2017.

Yeah? I can comment on the radio that I am running for President, or even that I am running to be elected as the Yamtuan Besar of the Maylasian state of Negeri Sembilan. However, there is a difference between saying you are running for office and actually running for office. Maybe he is just talking smack to irritate his enemies. Maybe this is a trial balloon. Maybe he did the interview after a couple of snorts of madjack's best bourbon. Who knows? If he files as a candidate, I think he is doomed and will look pathetic.

A possibility since he got his crony Canalas elected to the board.

OK. That is one vote in a district with a population of about 50,000 people. Of course, even LC-F might jump off the Hickey bandwagon with all the drama and mud flying around.

He will need another 4,000 or so to win an actual election. Maybe he has that many supporters, maybe not. Maybe he can count on a few hundred less-informed citizens who will pull the lever for him because they recognize the name. However, studies have shown that incumbency status matters much more than name recognition to these kinds of voters (Donald Trump notwithstanding). The average WLS voter has probably encountered at least some of the negative news coverage regarding Hickey, so I doubt that he would gain much in the category of "that guy sounds familiar" voters.

But I think his main concern right now is getting another high-paying administrator gig, and that ain't gonna be in WLS. The last time I checked WLS school board positions are not very lucrative; state law limits compensation to $125 plus mileage per meeting and no more that $5k per year plus mileage.

Good morning Mike:) Not to nit pick but I would like to point out a few inaccuracies in your reply to me if I may.

"Not any more. He was banned from setting foot on district property a few weeks ago."

That is true but he still can attend school functions that are not on school property, such as away sporting events which the people he was harassing would in all likely hood be there to. Its still up in the air about graduation. Will they try to ban him from that? I doubt it.
Will he make a scene? Who knows.

"Yeah? I can comment on the radio that I am running for President,"

If you did I would vote for you however that has no bearing in this situation. There are lot of Kool-aid drinkers out there yet and people
have short memories. Unless he gets busted for Addison he is bold enough to try to get on the board.

"OK. That is one vote in a district with a population of about 50,000 people"

You don't get it. Who do you think the Koolaiders (I made that word up), who voted for Canales would vote for? Maybe that dumbass Lindsay Webb would come out of the woodwork and say we need a leader like Hickey again. Stranger things has happened.

"The last time I checked WLS school board positions are not very lucrative"

No doubt. Do you think there might be some other reasons people want to get on the school board, some not so noble? Like influence?
For example, take Hickey's comrade in arms on the school board, Hunter. How many members of his family got hired in under Hickey's
rule?

Yourself and some of your fellow posters keep saying that Hickey is gone and that simply is not true, Yet. when he no longer lives in this town then he will be gone. Thank You for your time!

posted by reggie on Mar 01, 2016 at 07:51:09 am     #   1 person liked this

corky posted at 07:49:31 AM on Feb 25, 2016:

I get why traditional media has not reported the developments about Baumhower. He's nothing more than a blogger and social media personality. He's a low level person who inserted himself in this mess under false pretenses. I do wonder why traditional media has not reported these most recent developments about Hickey. Being summoned to court regarding allegations of sexual misconduct with a student seems like a significant turn of events.

There's no record in circuit or district court in Lenawee County of anything being filed, civil or criminal, this year that lists Patrick Hickey as a party.

The prosecuting attorney, listed on that summons, had no idea what I was talking about when I asked him.

And, as he pointed out, summons are for civil matters, with which he would have nothing to do.

So, what that means, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but that's why the traditional media hasn't reported it.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Mar 01, 2016 at 05:19:19 pm     #   3 people liked this

Thanks, Nolan. Is the above a symbol for "arm wrestling?"

posted by corky on Mar 01, 2016 at 05:21:03 pm     #  

@corky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrug

posted by upso on Mar 01, 2016 at 05:26:43 pm     #   1 person liked this

That would be 2 fraudulent items on that site. If I understand Nolan.

posted by Molsonator on Mar 01, 2016 at 05:39:44 pm     #   4 people liked this

I'm not making any claims about fraud. One can read into the situation as one may, I'm just explaining about why I haven't reported anything about an image of a court document.

posted by Nolan_Rosenkrans on Mar 01, 2016 at 05:46:22 pm     #   4 people liked this

My thanks and a hat tip to Molsonator and Nolan_Rosenkrans.

Here's how!

posted by madjack on Mar 01, 2016 at 05:56:01 pm     #  

I'll drink to madjack's lack of sobriety this fine afternoon. Cheers.

posted by justread on Mar 01, 2016 at 06:06:17 pm     #   2 people liked this

Nolan has punctured this balloon of silliness with facts.

posted by jr on Mar 01, 2016 at 06:11:08 pm     #   3 people liked this

Hmmm, that's a new twist. Didn't understand the IRS stuff I'm not an accountant or a lawyer and thought maybe they just didn't know and it was a mistake. Nolan is a reporter and a pro and I believe what he says. I called to see, just to be sure, he is 100% right.

None of this makes any sense anymore, not one bit. This is all too strange.

It made sense to me why they were putting Baumhower up there if what is said to be true about his wife and the affair with Squibb and the cover up.
Wow this is really horrible.
I do know one thing I'm not looking at any of it anymore. I'm done this is, just wow. I have no idea anymore why they are doing it. This makes no sense!!

posted by reyen on Mar 01, 2016 at 06:33:53 pm     #  

Nolan: do you know if any of this Addison, MI stuff is true or not? Have you or anybody at The Blade looked into this?

posted by reyen on Mar 01, 2016 at 10:19:58 pm     #  

reyen posted at 09:19:58 PM on Mar 01, 2016:

Nolan: do you know if any of this Addison, MI stuff is true or not? Have you or anybody at The Blade looked into this?

What happened with:

"I do know one thing I'm not looking at any of it anymore. I'm done [with] this ..."

That one site claimed a summons had been issued to Hickey, regarding the alleged Michigan incident. Nolan, a professional, investigated, and found:

"There's no record in circuit or district court in Lenawee County of anything being filed, civil or criminal, this year that lists Patrick Hickey as a party."

Since it appears that the site was wrong about the summons being issued, then no reason exists to believe anything else that was published on that site.

Maybe you need to try to get the Ann Arbor or Detroit media to investigate. We need the Toledo Blade to focus on more important Toledo issues.

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posted by jr on Mar 01, 2016 at 11:51:03 pm     #   1 person liked this